Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes

[Jenny M Benson]

On 08-Jul-16 08:21 PM, Evelyn .. wrote:


I have found it most helpful to use one event per source. If I have 2
sources that support a single event (i.e. birthdate) then I have to
attach 2 sources to the event. I have to enter 2 transcripts of the data
in the Event Notes. When I go back to that event, there is no way for me
to determine which source goes to which transcript.


As the transcript is part of the Source, I include it in the Source 
Detail, so there is no question of not knowing which Source it goes with.


I do sometimes *also* (not instead) include the transcript in Event 
Notes.  One example of when I'd do this is when the Source was a 
newspaper article, perhaps an Obituary or Funeral Report.  In many cases 
I will only summarise the transcript in the Event Notes; an example of 
this is with a Will.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes

[Linda Greethurst]

Dick Nixon,
Thanks for the input.  I didn't think of the Vital notes titles printing at
the end of the report when there aren't any notes entered.
Yes, I will have to play with a person in the sample file to see what
happens with all the reports.  Like I said, I'm still thinking about this
and trying to anticipate the problems so I appreciate the "heads-up" on
this issue.
Linda G

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Dick Nixon  wrote:

> You can, as you
> suggest, create new B,B,D, and Burial events. They will print
> chronologically and have the notes in the "right" place. But on some
> reports, haven't looked at all of them, Legacy will put in its own
> version of the Vital events as well. Then you get duplicate events in
> different places. And on the FGS Legacy will still shove their version
> of the Vital notes down to the end of the report.  Try a Chronology
> report with your new events and you will see the issues.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes

[Dick Nixon]

Hi Linda.Somehow the subject of sourcing has gotten mixed in with the
discussion of how Legacy formats reports with notes. You can, as you
suggest, create new B,B,D, and Burial events. They will print
chronologically and have the notes in the "right" place. But on some
reports, haven't looked at all of them, Legacy will put in its own
version of the Vital events as well. Then you get duplicate events in
different places. And on the FGS Legacy will still shove their version
of the Vital notes down to the end of the report.  Try a Chronology
report with your new events and you will see the issues.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes

[Evelyn ..]

Thanks Laurel.

I'll have to think about that a bit.
-Evelyn

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Greg and Laurel 
wrote:

> I transcribe (abstract) my sources under the source citation, plus I
> always attach a copy of the source to the citation. Then in my event I will
> refer back to the source "her death certificate states" or "her obituary
> showed" so if there are 3 citations attached to that event I can look at
> those 3 citations and know which source belongs to which piece of
> information/citation. It is the best I can do with how Legacy allows us to
> attach sources. Remember that most Events will only have one source so in
> those situations I would simply enter the information as a fact without
> referring to the actual source. I only do so when there is alternate or
> conflicting information. Laurel
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Evelyn ..  wrote:
>
> Hi Greg and Laurel,
>
> How do you know which source goes with which piece of information?
>
> - Evelyn
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Greg and Laurel 
> wrote:
>
>> Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I
>> will have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I
>> input all the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that
>> one event. Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of
>> the event with lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use
>> the pre-defined sentences):
>> .
>> Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she
>> died on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British
>> Columbia, Canada.
>>
>> There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated
>> her date of death as December 26  (etc...)
>> 
>> I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a
>> google search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to
>> a blog by Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using
>> another genealogy program, but the principles are the same.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes

[Greg and Laurel]

I transcribe (abstract) my sources under the source citation, plus I always 
attach a copy of the source to the citation. Then in my event I will refer back 
to the source "her death certificate states" or "her obituary showed" so if 
there are 3 citations attached to that event I can look at those 3 citations 
and know which source belongs to which piece of information/citation. It is the 
best I can do with how Legacy allows us to attach sources. Remember that most 
Events will only have one source so in those situations I would simply enter 
the information as a fact without referring to the actual source. I only do so 
when there is alternate or conflicting information. Laurel


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Evelyn ..  wrote:
> 
> Hi Greg and Laurel,
> 
> How do you know which source goes with which piece of information?
> 
> - Evelyn
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Greg and Laurel  
>> wrote:
>> Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I 
>> will have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I 
>> input all the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that 
>> one event. Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of 
>> the event with lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use 
>> the pre-defined sentences):
>> .
>> Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she 
>> died on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British 
>> Columbia, Canada.
>> 
>> There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated her 
>> date of death as December 26  (etc...)
>> 
>> I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a 
>> google search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to a 
>> blog by Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using another 
>> genealogy program, but the principles are the same.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes

[Evelyn ..]

Hi Greg and Laurel,

How do you know which source goes with which piece of information?

- Evelyn

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Greg and Laurel 
wrote:

> Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I
> will have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I
> input all the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that
> one event. Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of
> the event with lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use
> the pre-defined sentences):
> .
> Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she
> died on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British
> Columbia, Canada.
>
> There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated
> her date of death as December 26  (etc...)
> 
> I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a
> google search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to
> a blog by Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using
> another genealogy program, but the principles are the same.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes

[Greg and Laurel]

Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I will 
have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I input all 
the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that one event. 
Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of the event with 
lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use the pre-defined 
sentences):
.
Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she died 
on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British Columbia, 
Canada. 

There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated her 
date of death as December 26  (etc...)

I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a google 
search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to a blog by 
Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using another genealogy 
program, but the principles are the same.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes

[Linda Greethurst]

The idea of having the notes for the vital events within the chronology
(instead at the end of the report) has gotten me thinking about applying it
to my own family.  Before I do anything however, I need some other eyes
 and thoughts- - - what would be the problems of doing it this way down the
line?  For example, regarding doing searches.

Here's my thought process:

I'm  toying with the idea of the event called "Death Data" and then in the
notes for that event I could include all the research history like time of
death, the informant, and those other more obscure information; the sources
(either sourcing them within the body of the notes, or using the footnote
sourceing); I could include the alternate dates, places and why one is
wrong or why it might be a better, etc.  I would be  able to explain and
source exactly what info I got from the state Death Certificate, or a
church record or a Family Bible.

Then I could do the same for "Birth Data", "Baptism Data" and "Marriage
Data".  The resulting individual report would have all that info in a
timely order.  I would keep the top part of the report for just the vital
dates and places to be used as a quick reference.

This wouldn't be that hard to change as I could just cut and paste the
vital note section into the new event item as that is where  I already put
all the above discussion

Now, everyone's input???
Linda


>
> > In thinking about what has been mentioned, I realized that you are all
> > right, the notes 'hang' in limbo - not good. But, if I have two types of
> > information for a death, for example, do I lump them together or create
> > two events? Sample: Death Record from Vital Records Death Certificate -
> > Digital Copy [shows the usual, cause of death, informants, etc.]
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes

[Steve Hayes]

On 8 Jul 2016 at 18:32, Martha Graham wrote:

> In thinking about what has been mentioned, I realized that you are all
> right, the notes 'hang' in limbo - not good. But, if I have two types of
> information for a death, for example, do I lump them together or create
> two events? Sample: Death Record from Vital Records Death Certificate -
> Digital Copy [shows the usual, cause of death, informants, etc.]

I don't see how the regular notes could be filed by date, as I use them 
almost exclusively for potted biographies, which cover the whole of a 
person's life. 

I once suggested that there should be a special biography field for that 
purpose, but the Legacy people who participate in this forum said that one 
should use the regular notes for that purpose, and soi I do, and put 
everything else that is not time-specific in the Research Notes. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes

[Shirley Crampton]

Hi Evelyn

I also enter the sources separately for each event.  I enter the transcript
as part of the source detail, as Geoff has suggested in his webinars.  When
I go back to see what sources I have for each event I am able to access the
source detail and see the transcript that goes with that source.

Shirley

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Evelyn ..  wrote:

> Hi Martha,
>
> I have found it most helpful to use one event per source. If I have 2
> sources that support a single event (i.e. birthdate) then I have to attach
> 2 sources to the event. I have to enter 2 transcripts of the data in the
> Event Notes. When I go back to that event, there is no way for me to
> determine which source goes to which transcript.
>
> The only people who are interested in reading the details in the
> event/event notes are researchers. Researchers are also the only people who
> are interested in which sources the information is related to. If I have
> trouble keeping my own data/sources straight, there is little chance
> someone else would be able to know which source goes with which transcript.
>
> I am interested to hear what other people have found works for them.
> - Evelyn
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Martha Graham 
> wrote:
>
>> Good Morning,
>> In thinking about what has been mentioned, I realized that you are all
>> right, the notes 'hang' in limbo - not good.
>> But, if I have two types of information for a death, for example, do I
>> lump them together or create two events?
>> Sample:
>> Death Record from Vital Records
>> Death Certificate - Digital Copy [shows the usual, cause of death,
>> informants, etc.]
>>
>> I have collected a huge amount of D/C's and now that I have time, am
>> going through them and adding cause of death, etc.
>> I was using the Medical Notes section for this process, but as pointed
>> out, they do not fit in chronological order.
>>
>> There are almost always at least 3 dates on a D/C - and sometimes many
>> more :
>> Date of Death
>> Date [found]
>> Date when last seen by a medical person
>> Date when signed off by Coroner or MD
>> Date when Certificate is Filed
>>
>> So if I create an event for both the items where the death info is found,
>> then what date get's used for the info on the D/C? If I use the date of
>> death, both dates will show up together, but that is not exactly
>> chronological because an exact time is not part of the date.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Martha
>> In Los Osos, CA
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes

[Evelyn ..]

Hi Martha,

I have found it most helpful to use one event per source. If I have 2
sources that support a single event (i.e. birthdate) then I have to attach
2 sources to the event. I have to enter 2 transcripts of the data in the
Event Notes. When I go back to that event, there is no way for me to
determine which source goes to which transcript.

The only people who are interested in reading the details in the
event/event notes are researchers. Researchers are also the only people who
are interested in which sources the information is related to. If I have
trouble keeping my own data/sources straight, there is little chance
someone else would be able to know which source goes with which transcript.

I am interested to hear what other people have found works for them.
- Evelyn

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Martha Graham  wrote:

> Good Morning,
> In thinking about what has been mentioned, I realized that you are all
> right, the notes 'hang' in limbo - not good.
> But, if I have two types of information for a death, for example, do I
> lump them together or create two events?
> Sample:
> Death Record from Vital Records
> Death Certificate - Digital Copy [shows the usual, cause of death,
> informants, etc.]
>
> I have collected a huge amount of D/C's and now that I have time, am going
> through them and adding cause of death, etc.
> I was using the Medical Notes section for this process, but as pointed
> out, they do not fit in chronological order.
>
> There are almost always at least 3 dates on a D/C - and sometimes many
> more :
> Date of Death
> Date [found]
> Date when last seen by a medical person
> Date when signed off by Coroner or MD
> Date when Certificate is Filed
>
> So if I create an event for both the items where the death info is found,
> then what date get's used for the info on the D/C? If I use the date of
> death, both dates will show up together, but that is not exactly
> chronological because an exact time is not part of the date.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Martha
> In Los Osos, CA
>
>
>
>
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