Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
Jerry, As I understand it, the difficulties arise from differing interpretations of rtf syntax. I am not well up on this, but I believe that there is no specification for this, and/or any specification is read differently by different compilers of the format. Bob, Libre Office is actually a version of OpenOffice. The sponsorships of OO.o have change several times, particularly in recent years, currently it is Oracle, and it would seem that both they, and previous workers on the project have continued with the work under a different title. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gociao Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:18 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Thank you, Ron. The using the reset button didn't do the trick. However, when I opened the file in Open Office, I was able to more easily make corrections to it. It'll still take some time, but it'll be easier and faster. This is pointing to WordPerfect as the possible culprit. Jerry On 8/30/2011 12:23 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Jerry, Thank you for the additional information. As it happens my default word-processor is Open Office, and I am afraid that I have no experience with Word Perfect - I seem to have a niggle at the back of my head that it does not always reproduce as one might expect, but I may well be wrong here. However, I do not think that I am finding the same problems as yourself. 1. All the numerals are indented correctly, although if a line is longer than the page width the second line does start at the margin. 2. I do not have a line break/return after the first two or 3 words, all new lines are at the end of the margin ie. character position #1 3. Not the case. I'm not certain that I actually like the format but that's a different question! I have not looked at variation in font sizes. Before suggesting that it actually is a problem with Word Perfect, would you please use the Reset Button on the bottom-right of the Ancestor Book Screen and then redo your settings, to see if this corrects the problems. If it doesn't then try deleting Ances.usr and then redo your settings (it should be the same result as Reset, but one never knows!) Ron Ferguson, http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gociao Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 5:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Ron, Ok, updated Legacy to 7.5.0.112 and ran an RTF of an ancestor book report. The result is the same. Word processor is WordPerfectX4. The problems: 1. The list of children is not indented the same as in the Screen/printer view. RTF version: the first line (with the roman numeral) is indented, but the rest of the lines are not indented and each line must be manually indented to match the screen/printer view. 2. When a new person is listed, e.g. 50. John Jones [RIN] was born... the first two or three words are printed on one line (and indented 4 spaces from the left margin) and the rest of the information (4 or 5 lines) is printed on the next lines. The only way to correct this situation is to cut all the information and then paste it (the first line then fills with the info from the lines below. (using the delete and backspace keys has no affect on the formatting). The first line is still indented 4 spaces from the left margin and I haven't figured out how to correct that. 3. In Noted events in his life were: the second line of information does not line up under the first word of the event. This must be moved using the space bar to the correct location. The font is not affected; at times the font size is reduced from 12 to 8 and it seems to be random. Page breaks are ok. The document is 124 pages in length and it would take hours to re-format it.. This is where I am and hopefully your expertise will help me correct the situation. Thank you. Jerry On 8/30/2011 12:34 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Jerry, You give insufficient information to identify your problem, but I would suggest that you first update to the current version as the one you are using is well past its sell by date. Then try again. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gociao Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:13 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Whenever I create a report, e.g. ancestor book report, in the RTF mode, the formatting is messed up big time and requires hours to put the report into the same format as when it's printed or viewed on the screen in the regular Legacy format. Is this the nature of the beast or is something messed up in the program? I'm running version 7.0.89. Thank you for your input. Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
Jerry, Bob, To clarify my last reply, it is not Oracle which has renamed OO.o, but previous sponsors and developers. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:11 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Jerry, As I understand it, the difficulties arise from differing interpretations of rtf syntax. I am not well up on this, but I believe that there is no specification for this, and/or any specification is read differently by different compilers of the format. Bob, Libre Office is actually a version of OpenOffice. The sponsorships of OO.o have change several times, particularly in recent years, currently it is Oracle, and it would seem that both they, and previous workers on the project have continued with the work under a different title. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
On 8/31/2011 4:11 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Jerry, As I understand it, the difficulties arise from differing interpretations of rtf syntax. I am not well up on this, but I believe that there is no specification for this, and/or any specification is read differently by different compilers of the format. Bob, Libre Office is actually a version of OpenOffice. The sponsorships of OO.o have change several times, particularly in recent years, currently it is Oracle, and it would seem that both they, and previous workers on the project have continued with the work under a different title. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Oracle has abandoned Open Office, turning it over to the Apache Foundation. Its future is still being considered. The rich text format is a proprietary format developed and defined by MS. It is not surprising that WordPerfect, a bitter rival of Word, would choose to alter its own implementation. As has been stated both Open Office and LibreOffice handle it much better. -- Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
-Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:42 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF On 8/31/2011 4:11 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Jerry, As I understand it, the difficulties arise from differing interpretations of rtf syntax. I am not well up on this, but I believe that there is no specification for this, and/or any specification is read differently by different compilers of the format. Bob, Libre Office is actually a version of OpenOffice. The sponsorships of OO.o have change several times, particularly in recent years, currently it is Oracle, and it would seem that both they, and previous workers on the project have continued with the work under a different title. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Oracle has abandoned Open Office, turning it over to the Apache Foundation. Its future is still being considered. The rich text format is a proprietary format developed and defined by MS. It is not surprising that WordPerfect, a bitter rival of Word, would choose to alter its own implementation. As has been stated both Open Office and LibreOffice handle it much better. -- Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Gene, I was obviously unaware of the change of ownership from Oracle to Apache Foundation, as I have not visited there website for some time. I just tried and see that is now like picking a needle from a haystack. I guess my next move will be to Libre Office, if they continue the development. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
On 8/31/2011 10:13 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Gene, I was obviously unaware of the change of ownership from Oracle to Apache Foundation, as I have not visited there website for some time. I just tried and see that is now like picking a needle from a haystack. I guess my next move will be to Libre Office, if they continue the development. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -- PS. Anything entered below the Sig line indicator above (-- at the start of a line) is stripped on replying. I had to cut and paste to quote your email. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
-Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF On 8/31/2011 10:13 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Gene, I was obviously unaware of the change of ownership from Oracle to Apache Foundation, as I have not visited there website for some time. I just tried and see that is now like picking a needle from a haystack. I guess my next move will be to Libre Office, if they continue the development. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ PS. Anything entered below the Sig line indicator above (-- at the start of a line) is stripped on replying. I had to cut and paste to quote your email. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Didn't spot it did I? Did you spot my bad there not their as well? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
On 8/31/2011 11:02 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: -Original Message- From: Gene Young Didn't spot it did I? Did you spot my bad there not their as well? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Thats OK, My entire reply was stripped. I was saying that LO is actively being developed. They just released 3.4.3. -- Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
-Original Message- From: Gene Young Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:29 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF On 8/31/2011 11:02 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: -Original Message- From: Gene Young Didn't spot it did I? Did you spot my bad there not their as well? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Thats OK, My entire reply was stripped. I was saying that LO is actively being developed. They just released 3.4.3. Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Thanks, I'll take a look at it. It will be some time though as I'm using OOo in a long term project and certainly cannot change until I finish the current batch of records. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
Jerry, You give insufficient information to identify your problem, but I would suggest that you first update to the current version as the one you are using is well past its sell by date. Then try again. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gociao Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:13 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Whenever I create a report, e.g. ancestor book report, in the RTF mode, the formatting is messed up big time and requires hours to put the report into the same format as when it's printed or viewed on the screen in the regular Legacy format. Is this the nature of the beast or is something messed up in the program? I'm running version 7.0.89. Thank you for your input. Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
Ron hit the nail on the head, The current version is 7.5.0.112 and is a free download. Why would anyone want to run an old version? What gets messed up? The Font? Font size? Spacing? Page breaks? What word processor are you using? There are over 100 possible setting changes one can make in all the different tabs you see during creation. Maybe have a look at all of them to see if they are set to what you want/expect. I am running the current version - I created an Ancestor Book in RTF taking the default settings [I think] - opened it in Microsoft Word, and it is beautiful - just as I expected. Bob - Original Message - From: Gociao goc...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:13:54 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Whenever I create a report, e.g. ancestor book report, in the RTF mode, the formatting is messed up big time and requires hours to put the report into the same format as when it's printed or viewed on the screen in the regular Legacy format. Is this the nature of the beast or is something messed up in the program? I'm running version 7.0.89. Thank you for your input. Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
Ron, Ok, updated Legacy to 7.5.0.112 and ran an RTF of an ancestor book report. The result is the same. Word processor is WordPerfectX4. The problems: 1. The list of children is not indented the same as in the Screen/printer view. RTF version: the first line (with the roman numeral) is indented, but the rest of the lines are not indented and each line must be manually indented to match the screen/printer view. 2. When a new person is listed, e.g. 50. John Jones [RIN] was born... the first two or three words are printed on one line (and indented 4 spaces from the left margin) and the rest of the information (4 or 5 lines) is printed on the next lines. The only way to correct this situation is to cut all the information and then paste it (the first line then fills with the info from the lines below. (using the delete and backspace keys has no affect on the formatting). The first line is still indented 4 spaces from the left margin and I haven't figured out how to correct that. 3. In Noted events in his life were: the second line of information does not line up under the first word of the event. This must be moved using the space bar to the correct location. The font is not affected; at times the font size is reduced from 12 to 8 and it seems to be random. Page breaks are ok. The document is 124 pages in length and it would take hours to re-format it. This is where I am and hopefully your expertise will help me correct the situation. Thank you. Jerry On 8/30/2011 12:34 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Jerry, You give insufficient information to identify your problem, but I would suggest that you first update to the current version as the one you are using is well past its sell by date. Then try again. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gociao Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:13 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Whenever I create a report, e.g. ancestor book report, in the RTF mode, the formatting is messed up big time and requires hours to put the report into the same format as when it's printed or viewed on the screen in the regular Legacy format. Is this the nature of the beast or is something messed up in the program? I'm running version 7.0.89. Thank you for your input. Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
Jerry, this might not have any bearing on this problem, but I'll throw it out just in case it does. I also loved WordPerfect and I believe it was a superior product to Microsoft Word - sorry it didn't keep its prominent position. But I would think about trying different formats. I believe that WordPerfect has a formatting option to create a document formatted as an MS Word document. Anyway, I guess it wouldn't hurt to try saving in different formats, opening in different formats and see if you get the same results. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 8/30/2011 12:19 PM, Gociao wrote: Ron, Ok, updated Legacy to 7.5.0.112 and ran an RTF of an ancestor book report. The result is the same. Word processor is WordPerfectX4. The problems: 1. The list of children is not indented the same as in the Screen/printer view. RTF version: the first line (with the roman numeral) is indented, but the rest of the lines are not indented and each line must be manually indented to match the screen/printer view. 2. When a new person is listed, e.g. 50. John Jones [RIN] was born... the first two or three words are printed on one line (and indented 4 spaces from the left margin) and the rest of the information (4 or 5 lines) is printed on the next lines. The only way to correct this situation is to cut all the information and then paste it (the first line then fills with the info from the lines below. (using the delete and backspace keys has no affect on the formatting). The first line is still indented 4 spaces from the left margin and I haven't figured out how to correct that. 3. In Noted events in his life were: the second line of information does not line up under the first word of the event. This must be moved using the space bar to the correct location. The font is not affected; at times the font size is reduced from 12 to 8 and it seems to be random. Page breaks are ok. The document is 124 pages in length and it would take hours to re-format it. This is where I am and hopefully your expertise will help me correct the situation. Thank you. Jerry On 8/30/2011 12:34 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Jerry, You give insufficient information to identify your problem, but I would suggest that you first update to the current version as the one you are using is well past its sell by date. Then try again. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gociao Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:13 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Whenever I create a report, e.g. ancestor book report, in the RTF mode, the formatting is messed up big time and requires hours to put the report into the same format as when it's printed or viewed on the screen in the regular Legacy format. Is this the nature of the beast or is something messed up in the program? I'm running version 7.0.89. Thank you for your input. Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
Thanks for that suggestion, Jerry. Unfortunately, the results are the same. There seems to be some hard formatting in the RTF file that doesn't make it easy. Jerry On 8/30/2011 10:13 AM, Jerry wrote: Jerry, this might not have any bearing on this problem, but I'll throw it out just in case it does. I also loved WordPerfect and I believe it was a superior product to Microsoft Word - sorry it didn't keep its prominent position. But I would think about trying different formats. I believe that WordPerfect has a formatting option to create a document formatted as an MS Word document. Anyway, I guess it wouldn't hurt to try saving in different formats, opening in different formats and see if you get the same results. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 8/30/2011 12:19 PM, Gociao wrote: Ron, Ok, updated Legacy to 7.5.0.112 and ran an RTF of an ancestor book report. The result is the same. Word processor is WordPerfectX4. The problems: 1. The list of children is not indented the same as in the Screen/printer view. RTF version: the first line (with the roman numeral) is indented, but the rest of the lines are not indented and each line must be manually indented to match the screen/printer view. 2. When a new person is listed, e.g. 50. John Jones [RIN] was born... the first two or three words are printed on one line (and indented 4 spaces from the left margin) and the rest of the information (4 or 5 lines) is printed on the next lines. The only way to correct this situation is to cut all the information and then paste it (the first line then fills with the info from the lines below. (using the delete and backspace keys has no affect on the formatting). The first line is still indented 4 spaces from the left margin and I haven't figured out how to correct that. 3. In Noted events in his life were: the second line of information does not line up under the first word of the event. This must be moved using the space bar to the correct location. The font is not affected; at times the font size is reduced from 12 to 8 and it seems to be random. Page breaks are ok. The document is 124 pages in length and it would take hours to re-format it. This is where I am and hopefully your expertise will help me correct the situation. Thank you. Jerry On 8/30/2011 12:34 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Jerry, You give insufficient information to identify your problem, but I would suggest that you first update to the current version as the one you are using is well past its sell by date. Then try again. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gociao Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:13 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Whenever I create a report, e.g. ancestor book report, in the RTF mode, the formatting is messed up big time and requires hours to put the report into the same format as when it's printed or viewed on the screen in the regular Legacy format. Is this the nature of the beast or is something messed up in the program? I'm running version 7.0.89. Thank you for your input. Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
Maybe download OpenOffice (or one of the other free ones) and see if that 'plays better' with the .rtf files? On 8/30/2011 1:54 PM, Gociao wrote: Thanks for that suggestion, Jerry. Unfortunately, the results are the same. There seems to be some hard formatting in the RTF file that doesn't make it easy. Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
Jerry, Thank you for the additional information. As it happens my default word-processor is Open Office, and I am afraid that I have no experience with Word Perfect - I seem to have a niggle at the back of my head that it does not always reproduce as one might expect, but I may well be wrong here. However, I do not think that I am finding the same problems as yourself. 1. All the numerals are indented correctly, although if a line is longer than the page width the second line does start at the margin. 2. I do not have a line break/return after the first two or 3 words, all new lines are at the end of the margin ie. character position #1 3. Not the case. I'm not certain that I actually like the format but that's a different question! I have not looked at variation in font sizes. Before suggesting that it actually is a problem with Word Perfect, would you please use the Reset Button on the bottom-right of the Ancestor Book Screen and then redo your settings, to see if this corrects the problems. If it doesn't then try deleting Ances.usr and then redo your settings (it should be the same result as Reset, but one never knows!) Ron Ferguson, http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gociao Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 5:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Ron, Ok, updated Legacy to 7.5.0.112 and ran an RTF of an ancestor book report. The result is the same. Word processor is WordPerfectX4. The problems: 1. The list of children is not indented the same as in the Screen/printer view. RTF version: the first line (with the roman numeral) is indented, but the rest of the lines are not indented and each line must be manually indented to match the screen/printer view. 2. When a new person is listed, e.g. 50. John Jones [RIN] was born... the first two or three words are printed on one line (and indented 4 spaces from the left margin) and the rest of the information (4 or 5 lines) is printed on the next lines. The only way to correct this situation is to cut all the information and then paste it (the first line then fills with the info from the lines below. (using the delete and backspace keys has no affect on the formatting). The first line is still indented 4 spaces from the left margin and I haven't figured out how to correct that. 3. In Noted events in his life were: the second line of information does not line up under the first word of the event. This must be moved using the space bar to the correct location. The font is not affected; at times the font size is reduced from 12 to 8 and it seems to be random. Page breaks are ok. The document is 124 pages in length and it would take hours to re-format it.. This is where I am and hopefully your expertise will help me correct the situation. Thank you. Jerry On 8/30/2011 12:34 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Jerry, You give insufficient information to identify your problem, but I would suggest that you first update to the current version as the one you are using is well past its sell by date. Then try again. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gociao Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:13 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Whenever I create a report, e.g. ancestor book report, in the RTF mode, the formatting is messed up big time and requires hours to put the report into the same format as when it's printed or viewed on the screen in the regular Legacy format. Is this the nature of the beast or is something messed up in the program? I'm running version 7.0.89. Thank you for your input. Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
Thank you, Ron. The using the reset button didn't do the trick. However, when I opened the file in Open Office, I was able to more easily make corrections to it. It'll still take some time, but it'll be easier and faster. This is pointing to WordPerfect as the possible culprit. Jerry On 8/30/2011 12:23 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Jerry, Thank you for the additional information. As it happens my default word-processor is Open Office, and I am afraid that I have no experience with Word Perfect - I seem to have a niggle at the back of my head that it does not always reproduce as one might expect, but I may well be wrong here. However, I do not think that I am finding the same problems as yourself. 1. All the numerals are indented correctly, although if a line is longer than the page width the second line does start at the margin. 2. I do not have a line break/return after the first two or 3 words, all new lines are at the end of the margin ie. character position #1 3. Not the case. I'm not certain that I actually like the format but that's a different question! I have not looked at variation in font sizes. Before suggesting that it actually is a problem with Word Perfect, would you please use the Reset Button on the bottom-right of the Ancestor Book Screen and then redo your settings, to see if this corrects the problems. If it doesn't then try deleting Ances.usr and then redo your settings (it should be the same result as Reset, but one never knows!) Ron Ferguson, http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gociao Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 5:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Ron, Ok, updated Legacy to 7.5.0.112 and ran an RTF of an ancestor book report. The result is the same. Word processor is WordPerfectX4. The problems: 1. The list of children is not indented the same as in the Screen/printer view. RTF version: the first line (with the roman numeral) is indented, but the rest of the lines are not indented and each line must be manually indented to match the screen/printer view. 2. When a new person is listed, e.g. 50. John Jones [RIN] was born... the first two or three words are printed on one line (and indented 4 spaces from the left margin) and the rest of the information (4 or 5 lines) is printed on the next lines. The only way to correct this situation is to cut all the information and then paste it (the first line then fills with the info from the lines below. (using the delete and backspace keys has no affect on the formatting). The first line is still indented 4 spaces from the left margin and I haven't figured out how to correct that. 3. In Noted events in his life were: the second line of information does not line up under the first word of the event. This must be moved using the space bar to the correct location. The font is not affected; at times the font size is reduced from 12 to 8 and it seems to be random. Page breaks are ok. The document is 124 pages in length and it would take hours to re-format it.. This is where I am and hopefully your expertise will help me correct the situation. Thank you. Jerry On 8/30/2011 12:34 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Jerry, You give insufficient information to identify your problem, but I would suggest that you first update to the current version as the one you are using is well past its sell by date. Then try again. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Gociao Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:13 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF Whenever I create a report, e.g. ancestor book report, in the RTF mode, the formatting is messed up big time and requires hours to put the report into the same format as when it's printed or viewed on the screen in the regular Legacy format. Is this the nature of the beast or is something messed up in the program? I'm running version 7.0.89. Thank you for your input. Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reports in RTF
There's also LibreOffice ... which I have no personal experience with, but it seems to be well-regarded. On 8/30/2011 8:21 PM, Gociao wrote: Thanks for that suggestion, Bob. It seems that Open Office gets along better with an RTF file better than WordPerfect. Jerry On 8/30/2011 11:34 AM, Bob Bashford wrote: Maybe download OpenOffice (or one of the other free ones) and see if that 'plays better' with the .rtf files? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
