Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata
In general, you can not do this as Wikidata is CC0 and OSM is not. In some special situation it may possible but "guideline for them and each Wikidata editor" makes it impossible. 14 May 2019, 02:46 by higa...@gmail.com: > I wanted to tell Wikidata community in Japan how to get geolocation > from OSM without problem(trigger share-alike). > It will be a kind of guideline for them and each Wikidata editor may > do so individually. > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata
Am Mi., 15. Mai 2019 um 10:19 Uhr schrieb Shu Higashi : > Thanks, Martin and Kathleen. > > I will let wikidata people know the operation as I described 1-4 > and tell them to be sure not to be engaged in "systematic attempt to > aggregate" > in order to avoid share-alike triggering. from my understanding of the guidelines, if you proceed as described in 1-4, you will trigger share-alike. The geocoding guideline is explicit about this: " If a Geocoder uses the OSM database to produce Geocoding Results and the Geocoder is Publicly Used, then the OSM database is being Publicly Used under the ODbL. * Individual* Geocoding Results are insubstantial database extracts: *Individual* Geocoding Results that are based on a Direct Hit contain an insubstantial amount of raw OSM data; ... Consequently, if: 1. no modifications (or only trivial transformations) have been made to the OSM database used by a Geocoder; *and * 2. *the Geocoding Results are not used to create a new database that contains the whole or a substantial part of the original OSM database, then * the share-alike obligations of the ODbL are not triggered (per Section 4.4.b of the ODbL) *If Geocoding Results are used to create a new database that contains the whole or a substantial part of the contents of the OSM database, this new database would be considered a Derivative Database and would trigger share-alike obligations under section 4.4.b of the ODbL.* " there is also a definition for "substantial" in the context of Geocoding results: " A collection of Geocoding Results is not a substantial extract of the OSM database provided: 1. only names, addresses, and/or latitude/longitude information are included in the Geocoding Results, *and * *2. the collection is not a systematic attempt to aggregate all or substantially all Primary Features of a given type (as defined in the Collective Database Guideline) within a geographic area city-sized or larger. * " >From my understanding, wikidata is such a systematic attempt. Cheers Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata
Thanks, Martin and Kathleen. I will let wikidata people know the operation as I described 1-4 and tell them to be sure not to be engaged in "systematic attempt to aggregate" in order to avoid share-alike triggering. 2019-05-15 4:29 GMT+09:00, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk : > I think what's key for each individual Wikidata editor to know is that it's > possible for even an individual to engage in a "systematic attempt to > aggregate" per the Geocoding Guidelines, which is not allowed without > triggering sharealike. Copying single lat/longs is permitted without > sharealike. > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:47 PM Shu Higashi wrote: > >> I wanted to tell Wikidata community in Japan how to get geolocation >> from OSM without problem(trigger share-alike). >> It will be a kind of guideline for them and each Wikidata editor may >> do so individually. >> >> Shu >> >> 2019-05-14 8:08 GMT+09:00, Martin Koppenhoefer : >> > >> > >> > sent from a phone >> > >> >> On 14. May 2019, at 00:14, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> If by "Each wikidata people repeat this operation manually." you mean >> that >> >> each individual Wikipedia editor makes their own decision about >> >> whether >> to >> >> copy the lat/long, and it is not a coordinated or automated effort >> >> (not >> a >> >> "systematic attempt to aggregate" per the Geocoding Guidelines), then >> >> it >> >> is allowed. >> > >> > >> > how could Wikidata not be considered a coordinated effort? I mean he is >> > asking here, people are making plans how to proceed, how can this be >> > „not >> > coordinated“? Isn’t a plan to operate „individually“ already a kind of >> > coordination (purposefully crafted to circumvent the licensing >> provisions)? >> > >> > Cheers, Martin >> > ___ >> > legal-talk mailing list >> > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk >> > >> >> ___ >> legal-talk mailing list >> legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk >> > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata
I think what's key for each individual Wikidata editor to know is that it's possible for even an individual to engage in a "systematic attempt to aggregate" per the Geocoding Guidelines, which is not allowed without triggering sharealike. Copying single lat/longs is permitted without sharealike. On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:47 PM Shu Higashi wrote: > I wanted to tell Wikidata community in Japan how to get geolocation > from OSM without problem(trigger share-alike). > It will be a kind of guideline for them and each Wikidata editor may > do so individually. > > Shu > > 2019-05-14 8:08 GMT+09:00, Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > > > > sent from a phone > > > >> On 14. May 2019, at 00:14, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk > >> wrote: > >> > >> If by "Each wikidata people repeat this operation manually." you mean > that > >> each individual Wikipedia editor makes their own decision about whether > to > >> copy the lat/long, and it is not a coordinated or automated effort (not > a > >> "systematic attempt to aggregate" per the Geocoding Guidelines), then it > >> is allowed. > > > > > > how could Wikidata not be considered a coordinated effort? I mean he is > > asking here, people are making plans how to proceed, how can this be „not > > coordinated“? Isn’t a plan to operate „individually“ already a kind of > > coordination (purposefully crafted to circumvent the licensing > provisions)? > > > > Cheers, Martin > > ___ > > legal-talk mailing list > > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata
I wanted to tell Wikidata community in Japan how to get geolocation from OSM without problem(trigger share-alike). It will be a kind of guideline for them and each Wikidata editor may do so individually. Shu 2019-05-14 8:08 GMT+09:00, Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > sent from a phone > >> On 14. May 2019, at 00:14, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk >> wrote: >> >> If by "Each wikidata people repeat this operation manually." you mean that >> each individual Wikipedia editor makes their own decision about whether to >> copy the lat/long, and it is not a coordinated or automated effort (not a >> "systematic attempt to aggregate" per the Geocoding Guidelines), then it >> is allowed. > > > how could Wikidata not be considered a coordinated effort? I mean he is > asking here, people are making plans how to proceed, how can this be „not > coordinated“? Isn’t a plan to operate „individually“ already a kind of > coordination (purposefully crafted to circumvent the licensing provisions)? > > Cheers, Martin > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata
sent from a phone > On 14. May 2019, at 00:14, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk > wrote: > > If by "Each wikidata people repeat this operation manually." you mean that > each individual Wikipedia editor makes their own decision about whether to > copy the lat/long, and it is not a coordinated or automated effort (not a > "systematic attempt to aggregate" per the Geocoding Guidelines), then it is > allowed. how could Wikidata not be considered a coordinated effort? I mean he is asking here, people are making plans how to proceed, how can this be „not coordinated“? Isn’t a plan to operate „individually“ already a kind of coordination (purposefully crafted to circumvent the licensing provisions)? Cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata
Hi, If by "Each wikidata people repeat this operation manually." you mean that each individual Wikipedia editor makes their own decision about whether to copy the lat/long, and it is not a coordinated or automated effort (not a "systematic attempt to aggregate" per the Geocoding Guidelines), then it is allowed. (The Substantial Guideline concerns the same underlying principle, but only gives as an example a different bright line rule, so I do not think it is useful guidance in your case. If an activity is allowed under the Geocoding Guideline, it does not matter if the Substantial Guideline would have already permitted it (and vice versa).) Best, Kathleen On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 7:35 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > provided you do it for a substantial part of OpenStreetMap data, from my > understanding you would trigger ODbL, i.e. you would be creating a > derivative database. > > > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Substantial_-_Guideline > > Cheers, Martin > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata
provided you do it for a substantial part of OpenStreetMap data, from my understanding you would trigger ODbL, i.e. you would be creating a derivative database. https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Substantial_-_Guideline Cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata
Hi, I was asked by a Wikidata community person how to get geo-location (lat/lon) from OSM without problem. Is it OK (not trigger share-alike) to copy geo-location as below from OSM.org website? I couldn't find direct example at geocoding guideline. https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Geocoding_-_Guideline 1. Enter the name of the feature described in wikidata like "虎ノ門ダイビル" into the search box at top left of OSM.org. 2. Select the target from the result list. 3. Get lat/lon (ex. 35.66984,139.74690) from the url as below: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/35.66984/139.74690 4. Each wikidata people repeat this operation manually. Shu Higashi ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
