Re: Discuss: Retire vim mode?

[Edward K. Ream]

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 7:38:50 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:

I put an enormous amount of work into Leo's feeble vim mode.  Embedding 
> pyvim into Leo would be worth any amount of work.
>

I have just updated #1235: use pyvim for Leo's vim mode 
.

Edward

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Re: Discuss: Retire vim mode?

[Edward K. Ream]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:28 AM gar  wrote:

Yes, pyvim is impressive. It is not as powerful as, say, neovim - but still
> a good attempt to make yet another vim engine. The only possible issue I
> see here - it is based on prompt_toolkit
>  which may be
> bounded to some exotic api.
>

Let's not give up hope just yet ;-)

> But if there were a chance to include pyvim into leo - it would make leo
> the best editing platform ever since there's nothing better for text
> editing then vim.
>

I put an enormous amount of work into Leo's feeble vim mode.  Embedding
pyvim into Leo would be worth any amount of work.

Edward

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Re: Discuss: Retire vim mode?

[gar]

Yes, pyvim is impressive. It is not as powerful as, say, neovim - but still
a good attempt to make yet another vim engine. The only possible issue I
see here - it is based on prompt_toolkit
 which may be
bounded to some exotic api.
But if there were a chance to include pyvim into leo - it would make leo
the best editing platform ever since there's nothing better for text
editing then vim.

пн, 5 авг. 2019 г. в 15:22, Edward K. Ream :

>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:02 AM gar  wrote:
>
>>
>> if thinking about saving vim mode in leo - then need to think how to
>> greatly enhance it. which is really may be done only with injecting of
>> almost-full-featured vim engine like pyvim
>> .
>>
>
> I didn't know about pyvim.  It may be just what Leo needs.
>
>> if you retire vim mode - i would be missing it but i am still unable to
>> imagine how i can use it on a regular basis.
>>
> and unfortunately there's no developer on the horizon who wishes to make
>> leo behave similar to vim.
>>
>
> I'll see what I can do with pyvim.  Until then, there is no rush to retire
> Leo's vim mode.
>
> Edward
>
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Re: Discuss: Retire vim mode?

[Edward K. Ream]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:02 AM gar  wrote:

>
> if thinking about saving vim mode in leo - then need to think how to
> greatly enhance it. which is really may be done only with injecting of
> almost-full-featured vim engine like pyvim
> .
>

I didn't know about pyvim.  It may be just what Leo needs.

> if you retire vim mode - i would be missing it but i am still unable to
> imagine how i can use it on a regular basis.
>
and unfortunately there's no developer on the horizon who wishes to make
> leo behave similar to vim.
>

I'll see what I can do with pyvim.  Until then, there is no rush to retire
Leo's vim mode.

Edward

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Re: Discuss: Retire vim mode?

[gar]

vim mode has a very huge disadvantage that it also tried apply itself when
outline were edited. this is very uncommon and inconvenient.
i also recently looked through the supported commands in vim mode - too a
few. one will be always stumble when using it.
if thinking about saving vim mode in leo - then need to think how to
greatly enhance it. which is really may be done only with injecting of
almost-full-featured vim engine like pyvim
.
if you retire vim mode - i would be missing it but i am still unable to
imagine how i can use it on a regular basis.
and unfortunately there's no developer on the horizon who wishes to make
leo behave similar to vim.
so looks like there's no other way but get rid of it.

пт, 2 авг. 2019 г. в 22:55, Edward K. Ream :

> On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 5:52:55 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
> Important:  I'm talking about vim *mode* (@bool vim-mode), *not* the
>> vim.py plugin.  The vim plugin is here to stay, although it should be
>> improved.
>>
>> Terry and Kent have voted with their feet, and I am grateful to gar for
>> pointing out vim mode's serious problems.
>>
>> Does anyone actually use vim mode?  If so, how do you work around vim
>> mode's shortcomings?
>>
>
> There has been no direct discussion of this.  #1235
>  contemplates
> retiring the code in leoVim.py, along with all associated code and
> settings. I'll proceed unless I hear protests.
>
> Edward
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Re: Discuss: Retire vim mode?

[Edward K. Ream]

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 5:52:55 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:

Important:  I'm talking about vim *mode* (@bool vim-mode), *not* the vim.py 
> plugin.  The vim plugin is here to stay, although it should be improved.
>
> Terry and Kent have voted with their feet, and I am grateful to gar for 
> pointing out vim mode's serious problems.
>
> Does anyone actually use vim mode?  If so, how do you work around vim 
> mode's shortcomings?
>

There has been no direct discussion of this.  #1235 
 contemplates 
retiring the code in leoVim.py, along with all associated code and 
settings. I'll proceed unless I hear protests.

Edward

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