Re: Plan for 2015

2015-01-30 Thread Dufriz
On Friday, 30 January 2015 12:05:31 UTC, Fidel N wrote:

 ​:-)  I think Fidel's answer was a bit harsh.

  
 Sorry, was not my intention to be harsh, I actually totally simpatize with 
 Dufriz, I had quite a struggle migrating into Leo coming from a 
 non-programming background. 


No hard feelings, Fidel. It's OK.

As for the improvements to the UI, several were suggested in old posts. 
What I remember is:

* letting the user change the UI settings directly from the menu, without 
having to manually edit settings files
* customizing node icons, to reflect the node type, also (optionally) 
replacing the leading note type (e.g. @rich) marker, which would become 
invisible

but there were more.

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Re: Plan for 2015

2015-01-30 Thread Fidel N
There you are wrong Dufriz, Edward recently spent several months focusing 
on improving the manuals, videos and docs, and made Leo more intuitive to 
use.
But Leo has so many features, that it is still required an intensive study 
to begin to use many of them (or even realize they exist).

I encourage you to suggest specific improvements, since Edward is often 
very open to those when they make sense.


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Re: Plan for 2015

2015-01-30 Thread Fidel N


 ​:-)  I think Fidel's answer was a bit harsh.

 
Sorry, was not my intention to be harsh, I actually totally simpatize with 
Dufriz, I had quite a struggle migrating into Leo coming from a 
non-programming background. 

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Re: Plan for 2015

2015-01-30 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 1:44 AM, Dufriz duf...@gmail.com wrote:


 What about making Leo more user friendly, for a change?


​:-)  I think Fidel's answer was a bit harsh.

As you imply, there is a never-ending tension between adding new features
and making things easier for both newbies and power users.  There is no
magic answer for this problem, but that does not mean that the problem can
be dismissed.

Is there some part of Leo that particularly troubles you?  Some of Leo's
best features arose from making things simple.  I'm particularly thinking
of @button nodes, even though the code to make them happen is surprisingly
complex.

For me, it the biggest offender as far unhelpful complexity goes is the
@rst machinery, particularly all the settings that I never use, except to
set them and forget them.  These settings were intended to make Leo's @rst
trees more flexible, but maybe they just make @rst trees more sclerotic ;-)

Edward

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Re: Plan for 2015

2015-01-29 Thread Dufriz

What about making Leo more user friendly, for a change?
All the improvements to Leo have always been in the direction of adding new 
features. 
It's about time you developers concentrate a bit more on user friendliness 
(UI, etc). This will certainly attract more users.

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Re: Plan for 2015

2015-01-13 Thread Don Dwiggins

Sounds like an interesting year coming up!

Re:

On my walks on the Naples beach I saw that the key problem in 
collaboration with Leo is the interaction of Leonine users with 
non-Leonine users.


That's sort of what I mentioned earlier, about using Leo on the desktop, 
and somehow syncing my Leo projects with an Android outliner like 
NoteLynx.  (Or maybe even better, Leo for Android?)


Carpe annus!  (Sort of like carpe diem.)


Don

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Re: Plan for 2015

2015-01-13 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Don Dwiggins ddwigg...@advpubtech.com
wrote:

 On my walks on the Naples beach I saw that the key problem in
 collaboration with Leo is the interaction of Leonine users with non-Leonine
 users.

  That's sort of what I mentioned earlier, about using Leo on the desktop,
 and somehow syncing my Leo projects with an Android outliner like
 NoteLynx.


​They are two separate problems.  The problem I was talking about is this:
how does a user of Leo handle changes made to external files by non-Leo
users.  At present, the two main solutions are @auto and @shadow.  Neither
is perfect.

Edward

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