Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Impress crashes, when you use the wizard and select the effect

[Pedro]

Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
 7. Select the effect Venetian Blinds 3D Vertical
 
 Impress crashes ... :(

There is no Venetian Blinds 3D Vertical effect under Windows XP, only
Venetian Blinds Vertical but no crash occurs.

BTW why is the effect list sorted in  an almost random order? Wouldn't it be
nicer to have it alphabetically sorted?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Empty Options window for Spelling and Grammar

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Good morning Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
 4. Click on the Options button
 There opens only a grey window titled with LibreOfficeDev 4.2 and 
 three buttons (OK, Cancel and Help) in it ... :(

Confirmed. Using LO 4.2 Beta1under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3 en_US it is even
worse: I only get the title bar of the dialog, there is no dialog box at
all.

This is obviously a regression and is IMO more serious than Medium
gravity...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Missing symbols in squares in Bullets and Numbering dialog on Image tab

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Hi Thomas, all


Thomas Hackert wrote
 You are referring to the Graphics tab in the Bullets and
 Numbering dialog (I know it was a translation from German, this
 is just to make it more accurate)
 
 yes and no ... I am referring to the Graphics tab, but somehow
 forgot to mention it, sorry ... :(
 
 You did not forget. You called it Image tab (that is what I was
 referring to). See the Subject of the email ;)
 
 ah, O.K. But why do you write Graphics? In my build it is called 
 Image, no matter, which UI language I choose ... ;)

The explanation is simple :) You are using the 4.2 Alpha as a reference
while I'm using the 4.1 branch (4.1.4.1 in this case). In fact if you load
ANY previous LO version other than from the 4.2 branch you will see Graphics
;)

The problem is that someone decided (wrongly) to rename the tab to Image in
branch 4.2

This not only breaks with all past versions (including all manuals) but also
is inconsistent with the rest of the options in the Options tab

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4086068/Bullets.png 

So this is another BUG and REGRESSION... Unless the plan is to replace
Graphics with Image... Can someone in the QA team ask to the UX team?


Thomas Hackert wrote
 Please let me know when you report it so that I can confirm it ;)
 
 It is https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72218 now ... ;)

Confirmed, as you probably already were notified :)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Missing symbols in squares in Bullets and Numbering dialog on Image tab

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Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
 if I open the above 
 mentioned dialog, I can only see squares with lines instead of 
 pictures and lines from the sixth square for a couple of rows ... :(
 
 Steps to reproduce:
 1. Open Writer or Impress
 2. Go to Format – Bullets and Numbering...
 3. Look at the right of the second row. You will see an square with 
 only adumbrated grey lines, but no symbol in front of it
 4. Scroll down and there are a couple of lines following without a 
 symbol ... :(

You are referring to the Graphics tab in the Bullets and Numbering
dialog (I know it was a translation from German, this is just to make it
more accurate)

I can confirm that there are no bullets after the 7th style. I confirmed
this using 4.2 Alpha, 4.1.3 and 4.1.4 under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3 en_US.
This is a regression from the 4.0 branch.

Under Windows the reason for this is that the folder
%appdata%/LibreOffice/4/user/gallery does NOT contain a bullets sub-folder
which should contain the png images.

This is NOT a problem with a corrupted Profile. The files simply aren't
there. They are not added to the folder even if you create a new Profile.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Missing symbols in squares in Bullets and Numbering dialog on Image tab

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Hi Thomas, all


Thomas Hackert wrote
 You are referring to the Graphics tab in the Bullets and
 Numbering dialog (I know it was a translation from German, this
 is just to make it more accurate)
 
 yes and no ... I am referring to the Graphics tab, but somehow 
 forgot to mention it, sorry ... :(

You did not forget. You called it Image tab (that is what I was referring
to). See the Subject of the email ;)


Thomas Hackert wrote
 Do you by any chance know, if it is already reported to bugzilla? If 
 not, I will do it tomorrow (enough translation and testing today ... 
 ;) ), unless you have the time and energy to do it ... ;)

I did some searches in bugzilla and couldn't find any related reported.
No, I do not have the energy on a Sunday night :) 
Please let me know when you report it so that I can confirm it ;)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox builds

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Hi Christian, all


Christian Lohmaier-3 wrote
 The TDF labeled ones will follow shortly, I need to tweak the build
 scripts to work with multiple branches.

Excellent. I will wait for those then. 
I think I will ignore the 4.3 branch for now (until 4.2.0 RC1 is out, at
least) and stick with 4.2 dailies.


Christian Lohmaier-3 wrote
 Yes, all the TDF bots build with the release set of features, except that
 the builds are en-us only and identify as lo-dev.
 They aim to be as close to the public builds as possible.

My understanding now is that people should use the TDF daily builds (e.g.
from tinderbox #47 for the Windows OS). If the TDF builds fail, ping the
Tinderbox owner :)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox builds

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Hi Thorsten


Thorsten Behrens wrote
 2) TB #39 and #42 are building Master builds for the upcoming 4.3 branch
 (as
 expected) but there are no 4.2 branch daily builds

 Good point, let me add that.

Thank you for adding the 4.2 branch. In fact TB#42 is currently the only one
producing dailies for that branch.
Could you please adjust the file naming from libo-42 to libreoffice-4-2 ?

On a separate note: TB#42  is creating folders for the 4.1 branch but no
files are being uploaded.


Thorsten Behrens wrote
 3) Build names for the TB #42 Master branch are still different from the
 other TBs

 Let me attempt to fix that, too.

Ping :)


It would be nice if there was some explanation from the devs as to what is
the goal of each Tinderbox. E.g. Tinderbox #47 produces an installer and an
offline help similar to the final one except that it only included en_US
(therefore the installer is 132Mb in size)
However the Master builds for TB#39 and TB#42 are 125Mb and 121Mb
respectively
What was removed? What are the goals of this builds? Using this build
instead of #47 allows to prove/test something?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Greyed-out Save settings as... in last dialog of Presentation Minimizer

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Hi Thomas, all


Thomas Hackert wrote
 is it intended, that the above mentioned option (Save settings 
 as... is greyed-out? Or is there a fault on my system?
 
 How to reproduce:
 1. Start a new presentation
 2. Go to Tools – Minimize Presentation...
 3. Click, until you reach the last dialog (5. Summary)
 The last entry (Save settings as...) is greyed-out ... :(

The box on the right with option My Settings 1 is greyed out by default.
But if you click on the check box before Save settings as then the drop
list will be activated allowing you to modify the name or even overwrite one
of the 3 presets. If the check box doesn't show up on your system then it is
a bug :)

It does work correctly under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3 en_US.

Another Debian only bug? :)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Three times default settings in Presentation Minimizer?

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Hi Thomas, all


Thomas Hackert wrote
 3. If you are using the English UI and click on the dropdown menu 
 below Choose settings for Presentation Minimizer, you will three 
 times an entry Default in it ... :( Is it intended? Or a bug? In 
 my Germanophone version of LO Version: 4.1.3.2
 Build ID: 70feb7d99726f064edab4605a8ab840c50ec57a I see Optimiert 
 für Bildschirm (kleinste Dateigröße) (roughly translated Optimized 
 for screen (smallest file size)), Optimiert für Präsentation 
 (Optimized for presentation) and Optimiert für Druck (Optimized 
 for printing), when I use the German UI.
 Can someone confirm this?

Not in LO 4.1.3.2 (Build ID: 70feb7d99726f064edab4605a8ab840c50ec57a) or
4.2.0.0.beta1 (Build ID: f4ca7b35f580827ad2c69ea6d29f7c9b48ebbac7) under
Windows XP Pro x86 SP3. I get the three options as expected. Your rough
translation is quite accurate ;)

Debian bug only?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How long before a released build is notified by Update?

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Hi qubit


Robinson Tryon wrote
 Based on my understanding of the updating mechanism (see the section
 Upgrade Logic), your 4.1.0.1 install should give you an offer to
 upgrade to 4.1.3 now. Could you please check that out?

Yes, it should. But it doesn't. 

On another laptop with version 3.6.5.2 the update suggested is 4.0.5, when
4.0.6 has been available for over a month now...


Robinson Tryon wrote
 Perhaps we should show the full version number, or provide build dates?

I still don't understand why the full version is shown on the About box
(e.g. Version: 4.1.2.3) but checking for updates shows LibreOffice 4.1 is
up to date. What is the point in this? It just confuses users...

Why not LibreOffice 4.1.2.3 is up to date. or simply (as Mozilla does)
LibreOffice is up to date. ?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How long before a released build is notified by Update?

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Hi Christian, all


Christian Lohmaier-3 wrote
 Anyway, I did reset it back to the version that's in the repo=the
 version that should get you the update.

Thank you for the fix. I didn't quite understand the git part... Does this
mean that you updated the version information manually or that you managed
to create a script that will handle this automatically from now on?

Apparently the version check algorithm only works correctly for the final
build in each branch... If the installed version is an RC it reports
something wrong.

Version 4.1.0.1 still reports that LibreOffice 4.1 is up to date. and
version 3.6.7.1 still reports LibreOffice 3.6 is up to date.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How long before a released build is notified by Update?

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Hi Christian, Robinson, all


Christian Lohmaier-3 wrote
 Version 4.1.0.1 still reports that LibreOffice 4.1 is up to date. and
 version 3.6.7.1 still reports LibreOffice 3.6 is up to date.
 
 Can you tell what version those report as? I.e. what git-hash they have?

Version: 4.1.0.1
Build ID: 1b3956717a60d6ac35b133d7b0a0f5eb55e9155

Version 3.6.7.1 is also the official RC1 from TDF


Christian Lohmaier-3 wrote
 See Robinson's answer - it should work. Maybe you have a proxy that
 did cache the request?

It should and yet it doesn't. No proxy, tested on two separate networks.

However the laptop with build 4.1.2.1 (which is the official RC1) now
reports that 4.1.3 is available. Could it be that RC checking has been fixed
in the 4.1 branch?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Questions about new icon themes Sifr and Tango Testing

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Hi Thomas

Under Windows XP the icon themes do work and they are distinct from Tango
(Tango Testing shares many icons but you would notice the difference)

You should report the bug for Debian (at least)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox builds

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Hi all

State of daily Master builds (for Windows) on the 22nd of November 2013:

#39
master~2013-11-22_07.08.35_LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86.msi
22-Nov-2013 08:17  125M
no txt file

#42
libo-master~2013-11-22_08.47.24_LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86.msi
22-Nov-2013 11:07  121M
no txt file

#47
master~2013-11-17_23.56.08_LibreOfficeDev_4.2.0.0.alpha1_Win_x86.msi
18-Nov-2013 02:26  132M
txt file AND helppack en_US (well done!)

Comments:

1) Tinderbox (alias TB) #39 and #42 don't provide the needed txt file
2) TB #39 and #42 are building Master builds for the upcoming 4.3 branch (as
expected) but there are no 4.2 branch daily builds
3) Build names for TB #42 are still different from the other TBs
4) TB #47 stopped producing daily builds on the 17th of November

Questions:
Is there any document which explains what are the differences between these
three installers? 
Which one should people select?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How long before a released build is notified by Update?

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Ping! Any news?

Did anyone read
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-long-before-a-released-build-is-notified-by-Update-tp4082780p4083805.html
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox builds

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Hi Stuart


V Stuart Foote wrote
 Text file is not needed!  It is just convenient ;-)
 
 It is trivial to view the details of the TB builds of Master --
 http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html  just  match the
 time-stamp of the build to the  buld time collumn and side across to the
 collumn for the TB your reviewing. The bottom of the corresponding block
 is the start of the build, and build logs are porvided in the details.
 Those are the exact details as get parsed for the text file.
 
 The details you shuld be interested in are the configuration line, to
 determine what features are included in the build, and SHA-1 HASH ID of
 the last commit included in the build, and maybe who is managing the TB --
 should you need to poke them.

That is partly true :) If you have downloaded a binary from one of the TB
and you don't have the txt file, how do you know from which TB it came from?

I know there is always a workaround. But isn't it easier to just have the
computer generate a simple txt file? If this functionality already exists
(and works as expected, as proven by TB #47) isn't it possible to adopt this
as a default procedure for all TBs?


V Stuart Foote wrote
 And functionally, for todays builds  of master TB-39 has the --enable-ia2
 build flag for IAccessible2 AT support, TB-42 and TB-47 do not.

Ok. But what is the difference between 42 and 47? Also, what should people
test in IA2? Is it on by default? Is there a hidden switch to turn it on?

This brings me back to the question: which build should users download? Is
testing IA2 important or are there  features in the builds from the other
TBs that are more crucial/urgent to test?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Freeze in Calc 4.2.0.0alpha1, when a column is selected and you press Ctrl+A?

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Hi Thomas

Bug confirmed with LO 4.2 Alpha under Windows XP. And since it doesn't occur
under LO 4.1 it is a regression.


Thomas Hackert wrote
 P.S.: If someone finds a faster way to freeze, feel free to tell me 
 ... ;)

You just need to open LO Calc and do steps 6 and 7 :)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Moztrap: some feedback please :)

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Hi Sophie


sophi wrote
 ok, I'll grep the most important I can find in BZ, I know about some
 page numbering, pictures placement etc. issues. I don't have Office to
 test but that shouldn't prevent me to write tests.

Here is an example of something that makes LO Calc mostly useless
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70499

Thank *you* for your persistence ;)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Moztrap: some feedback please :)

[Pedro]

Hi Sophie

The basic tests are working as expected.

The part where most regressions have sneaked in (and IMO TDF is not worried
enough about this) is the MS XML open and save formats.

MS based XML files (docx, xlsx, pptx) don't look the same in MS Office and
LO (in a pptx I received there are even differences from 4.1 to 4.2) and
after making changes and saving again as MS XML sometimes the file is
unreadable by MS Office.

I know that LO's recommended format is ODF but in the real world you can't
refuse MS XML documents.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How long before a released build is notified by Update?

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Hi qubit


Robinson Tryon wrote
 It doesn't sound to absurd to me. I really don't know too much about
 the mechanisms of the updater, so let me get some info on the current
 state of things, and then I can see the feasibility of particular
 improvements.

I just checked for updates on a laptop I haven't used for a while. The
installed version is 4.1.0.1 but Check for Updates returned LibreOffice 4.1
is up to date. Interesting... :)

Also, interesting: on a more up-to-date laptop with version 4.1.2.1 (i.e
rc1) I get the usual
LibreOffice 4.1.2 is available.
The installed version is LibreOffice 4.1.2.1.

(already reported as a bug some time ago
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46354 )

Just my 2 cents on update checking under Windows ;)

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[Libreoffice-qa] How long before a released build is notified by Update?

[Pedro]

Hi all

Does any one know what is the rule for a released build to be detected by
Auto-update (or manual update) check?

Version 4.1.3 was released on November 1st but my LO 4.1.2.3 still reports
LibreOffice 4.1 is up to date.

Is there a problem with version 4.1.3? Or is simply the version on the
server that wasn't updated? Is this still done manually by Kendy?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How long before a released build is notified by Update?

[Pedro]

Hi Robinson (Rob? qubit?)


Robinson Tryon wrote
 AFAIK the update system is (still) handled manually. I think Cloph is
 the one in charge of it right now. I'm not sure exactly how we could
 automate the process, but I think it's worth our investigation.

As you know I'm not a Developer so you can tell me to shut up at any
point...

Wouldn't it be possible to have a script checking on
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/
and if your version is 4.0.5 and 4.0.6 is available (where 65 :) ) or your
version is 4.1.2.3 and 4.1.3 is available...

Is this something absurd or impossible?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bibisectzilla

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Hi qubit

In this server you have ALL builds for ALL OSes since 3.3.0 Beta1 until
4.0.5 and 4.1.0 (i.e until August 15th 2013)
ftp://ftp.uni-muenster.de/pub/software/LibreOffice/testing/

Are these useful?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Pedro]

Hi Michael, all


Michael Meeks-5 wrote
 * Release Engineering update (Cloph)
 + 4.2 Alpha 1 status ...
 + has been built for Windows - up-loading for early testing

Wouldn't it make more sense to have a Beta0 (zero) with install_multi (as
was done previously for 3.5.0) instead of just en_US (which isn't even on
the file name)?

If you (TDF, ESC, whatever) want early testing, wouldn't it make sense to
broaden the universe of potential testers instead of restricting it?

Early warning: when doing a custom install more than half of the options are
gone (when compared to a RC or full installer). Is this deliberate?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Feedback page

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sophi wrote
 Done!  Well, with the first draft, anyhow:
 http://testing.eagleeyet.net/~qubit/www-feedback/
 
 Code is available here:
 https://github.com/colonelqubit/www-feedback
 
 Big kudos to Astron for the mockup code.
 
 Thanks for this work!

+1
Well done!

Still, if there is a requirement for registration the wall is still there...
I would be interested in seeing statistics of number of people who click on
the buttons and actual registration and bug report...

Again I suggest that providing a valid email should be enough to contact
back if needed. 


sophi wrote
 What will be behind LibO made me happy/sad? and who will deal with the
 results of this feedback?

Excellent question! 
If it's a fire and forget thing as bfoman said
(http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Where-should-users-report-bugs-tp4081505p4081544.html)
then it could be more damaging than good for the relationship with the
community/users...
Otherwise, someone will have to actually read it :) 
Personally I think it's good to have such a tool (in the Mozilla version
there is an optional field for email contact) but does LO/TDF have the
manpower?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Where should users report bugs?

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Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
 But providing a valid email should be enough for all
 that. It should not be required to create an account.
 
 But how will you know, if it is a valid mail address? It could be an 
 one-way mail address or some fake address ... :( Remember all the 
 HowTos and documentation, which uses example.com address as an 
 example ... ;)

Emails can be validated (in the same way your email client immediately
informs you that an address is not valid: it checks with the target mail
server)
In any case if the user bothers to create an email account just to post a
bug report, then he *really* wants to report the bug but he doesn't to be
contacted!
My experience is that I don't mind being contacted back if I report a bug
but I won't register into yet another site just to report a bug (unless I
start to use the bugged program regularly)

I believe that it is important to get some feedback (even if it's hate
feedback) from people who have a bad experience and are giving up on LO
because of some initial obstacle... Maybe the obstacle is can be removed for
others after them...


Thomas Hackert wrote
 Why do you think, it is for geeks? I mean, I am also not that geek, 
 when it comes to choosing the right component and the like, but I 
 prefer it over BSA ... ;)

I'm sorry to tell you this: you collaborate in the QA of an Open Source
project and therefore you are in the geek category :)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Where should users report bugs?

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Hi Rob


Rob Snelders-2 wrote
 Emails can be validated (in the same way your email client
 immediately informs you that an address is not valid: it checks
 with the target mail server)
 
 I have always learned to turn that feature off. So you can't verify a 
 mail-address against the mailserver I maintained. I don't think I'm the 
 only one as that is a way to fight spam. So they can't file bugs anymore?

I was thinking about regular people who use regular mails. Not people
running their own servers...

And the answer would be no, they couldn't. But then again, you can't
register to Bugzilla without a valid email, so I can't see why people are
arguing against my suggestion...

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/createaccount.cgi


Rob Snelders-2 wrote
 I think we should at least make the registration-requirement 
 later in the process 

I disagree. I think that the requirements must be obvious from the start. If
a registration is required the user should know and agree with it. 

When I come across sites that do those kind of tricks, my reaction is to
close the page immediately. And then the site looses my feedback and I am
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Where should users report bugs?

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Rob Snelders-3 wrote
 I think that a lot of hardcore users would be mad if you exclude them. I 
 wouldn't want that, as some of our developers are those users, I for 
 example wouldn't be able to work on the BSA anymore. So a big NO against 
 any such rule.

We are discussing about a simplified method for a newbie to submit some
report... How did this escalate to hardcore developers? Hardcore developers
should subscribe to Bugzilla the standard way :)
This is about a *user* friendly email verification for first users.


Rob Snelders-3 wrote
 Ah.. the bugzilla-page you are pointing to doesn't do that either. It 
 just does a simple regex-test (which only validates if the text entered 
 could be a email-address) and then sends you a email. That is a totally 
 different process then you explained.

Yes, I know the method is different. 
I never imagined that validating an email address would be such a problem...


Rob Snelders-3 wrote
 Ok. Maybe I explained it wrong. The login is explained and you can see 
 the login-button from the start. But you are not required to 
 login/create a account until the last step. Is that better or still a 
 bad idea?

That is obviously better than having the login as the first step and if it
is clear that it is a requirement then it allows the user to choose if he
wants to continue.

I just realized that once logged to BSA I can't log out :)

BSA is a BIG improvement over Bugzilla but it is still too technical...
Isn't it much nicer LibreOffice version you were using instead of Version
the bug appeared?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Where should users report bugs?

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bfoman wrote
 I do not think that we should babysit bug reports - already there are a
 lot of them in fdo, not mentioning other bug-trackers (novell, redhat), or
 those on aoo issues system.

Yes, there are too many bugs in fdo. Both because the project has very
little QA people and also because some bugs are boring to fix...


bfoman wrote
 If you do not want to register - then in Bugzilla world you just do not
 care about a bug. File and forget is not a way to do bug reports imho.

I agree that in a perfect world people should contribute and care.
But in the end it is not the user who has a problem. The obstacle is in the
software. The user may choose to live with it or to abandon the software.
He/she may choose to contribute by reporting it so that it is fixed/improved
even if he/she has already moved on and the community should be thankful for
that. In the end it is the software that has the problem. Then it is up to
QA to verify it and the Devs to fix it so that the problem does not affect
present and potential users.

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Re: Set Default Language for Documents in LibreOffice deployment

[Pedro]

Hi Nelson

The Dev mailing list is not the appropriate place for this question. I
suggest that you post this on the Users list.

Having said that, I find that this is great news (for me as a Portuguese
citizen) and for the project (Marketing?)

Answering briefly I can tell you that if the PCs have the Portuguese version
of Windows and/or the Regional settings are set to Portuguese (they usually
are) then the installer will detect this and use the Portuguese interface
(menus) and set the Default language to Portuguese as well as install the
Portuguese (AO 1990) dictionary.

The only thing you need to install separately is the offline help. Make sure
you get the file ending with helppack_pt.msi

However I don't know if there is an easy way to do a system wide deployment.

Hope this helps ;)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Where should users report bugs?

[Pedro]

Hi Qubit

My opinion:  Users should report bugs in a user friendly page that doesn't
require registration.

One example: The Mozilla feedback page
https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback

No need to reinvent the wheel.

If BSA and Bugzilla are the only options then only persistent geeks will
report bugs. The upside is that persistent geeks make better bug reports.

Finally:
For Windows users (and they are probably the majority) all bugs have to be
submitted to TDF/LO. I think that the company that produces the Windows
distro is not going to fix any bugs in LO, let alone push bugs upstream :)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Where should users report bugs?

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bfoman wrote
 Input is fire and forget type of site, which helps to find out hot issues
 and is triggered from within Firefox.

Interesting. Someone/something (word filter?) has to read it though :)


bfoman wrote
 I can write that I do not want to work with anonymous bug reports while
 triaging. We need that users be active considering their bugs - help to
 recheck in a debug build (when there was one available in the past) or
 latest release, deliver a test file, write more about steps to reproduce -
 Bugzilla offers that. Once registered - you, or others in the bug's cc
 list, know what is going on with the issue.

I agree that anonymous bug reports are of little use (and invites spammers).
But providing a valid email should be enough for all that. It should not be
required to create an account.

In addition the Bugzilla form is for geeks. I am allowed to say that because
I have used it extensively and for a long time.

Even BSA is NOT user friendly. People from UX should test it and improve it.
Starting with removing the registration step. Just ask for a valid email.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] OpenCL?

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mariosv wrote
 I have read about it in the Kohei Yoshida's Webspace:

Thank you for the link. It allowed me to figure out that the limitation is
not so much which formulas/functions it applies to but which GPUs it
detects...

My netPC based on the ION chipset does support CUDA and OpenCL but is not
detected by LO so it is still using the Internal, software interpreter

I guess I'll have to wait some more time :)

On a separate note: it's a shame there isn't more communication between
developers and QA... 

It would make sense to ping the QA list when some feature is added with some
note like I added this and that in Master can someone check if it's working
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] White bar at the bottom of Tools - Options - LibreOffice - Appearance

[Pedro]

Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
 Maybe ... ;) What do others here think? Should I open a bugreport 
 for it?

This is the QA mailing list and the Q stands for Quality.
I think you should report it. It is wasted space and it looks bad. 

My 2 cents ;)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] OpenCL?

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Markus Mohrhard wrote
 That means it will not be supported in the future. There are some
 requirements to the hardware that must be satisfied before we can use the
 GPU as OpenCL device.

That is bad news. For me (because I will not get any benefits from OpenCL)
and for the project (one beta tester less...)


Markus Mohrhard wrote
 This feature is still under heavy development and not yet ready for
 testing
 by QA. As you might have noticed it is still disabled and might still
 contain serious bugs. If you want to test something in master it makes
 more
 sense to test the normal code paths in Calc by making sure that the large
 Calc refactorings did not introduce regressions.

I was referring to communication in general... 

not yet ready for testing by QA... Interesting. Please do remember to post
on this mailing list when it's ready for QA...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] White bar at the bottom of Tools - Options - LibreOffice - Appearance

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Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
 I think you should report it. It is wasted space and it looks bad.
 
 [done] ... ;) Would you be so kind to confirm 
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71192, please?

Already been confirmed by Stuart ;)


Thomas Hackert wrote
 For what ever reason, but after attaching a screenshot as an PNG 
 Bugzilla has changed it to text/plain as MIME type ... :( Is this 
 expected?

It's a known bug in Bugzilla itself (I find it amusing that the bug
reporting tool has bugs :) )
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67004

One of the QA triagers will change the MIME type at some point...

The workaround is NOT to add attachments to the original post but add it in
the first comment.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Florian Reisinger hat Sie zu QA Call 4/11/13 eingeladen

[Pedro]

Hi Florian

I know that LO is Germany based but many of us do not understand German ;)

Your post is obviously related to a QA call on Nov 4th...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] White bar at the bottom of Tools - Options - LibreOffice - Appearance

[Pedro]

Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
 In LO Version: 4.1.2.3 Build ID: 
 40b2d7fde7e8d2d7bc5a449dc65df4d08a7dd38 with installed Germanophone 
 lang- as well as helppack, it does not evident, as the background of 
 this dialog is white as well. It only seems to be a little more 
 space than needed there ... ;) But if you have a look at LO Version: 
 4.2.0.0.alpha0+ Build ID: aeb29afa11b7be87153f048044a2d4af9a87b50c
 TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb-x86_64@46-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 
 2013-10-29_20:58:33 with installed en-US lang- as well as helppack, 
 the background of this dialog is grey, so the space below is visible 
 ... :( Is this a bug or a feature?
 
 Is it only on my system, or can someone with another 
 OS/architecture/graphics chip or card/something else can confirm it?

Confirmed that there is extra white space under the last item and also
confirmed that it looks worse under 4.2 Alpha.

I'm using Windows XP Pro x86 SP3 and tested both on ATI Radeon and Nvidia
ION (same as Geforce 9400M) so this is not related to graphics chip or card.
In both systems resolution is at 1280x1024.

I wouldn't call this a bug (definitely not a feature :) )... maybe a small
quirk?

Hope this helps...

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[Libreoffice-qa] OpenCL?

[Pedro]

Hi all

Can anyone tell me if GPU calculation through OpenCL is already working in
the Master releases?

Is it enabled by default? If not, how is it enabled? In the Advanced 
Enable Experimental Features?

What kind of operations is this expected to enhance? File loading?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] OpenCL?

[Pedro]

Hola Miguel Ángel


mariosv wrote
 take a look in:
 Menu/Tools/Options/LibreOffice calc/Formula - Detailed calculation 
 settings - Custom.

Thank you for the directions ;)

Can you (or anyone else) tell me which sorts of simple formula expressions
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Unreadable words on Insert - Object - Chart..., when enabling 3D Look

[Pedro]

Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
 Steps to reproduce:
 1. Open Calc
 2. Go to Insert – Object – Chart...
 3. Enable 3D Look
 4. Select either Simple or Realistic right of 3D Look
 None of it is visible on the button after selecting it ... :(
 
 Can someone confirm this? If you need further information, feel free 
 to ask :)

Works perfectly with LO 4.1.2.3 under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3.
It's probably a Linux (or Debian) only bug?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Pedro]

Hi Thorsten, Florian R.


Thorsten Behrens wrote
 So feel free to poke me (one of the tinderbox admins) in the
 future.

Poke :)

Could you please rename the binaries in the Master branch so that they are
named
master~2013-10-27_23.53.26_LibreOfficeDev_4.2.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86.msi
like the other tinderboxes? (i.e. remove the libo- prefix which is
redundant?)

Currently your tinderbox is the only one producing daily binaries from the
Master branch for the Windows platform, so thank you for listening (and for
fixing the capital X in the TB name)

I don't know if this is deliberate but when doing a Custom install most of
the components don't show up? (the user can only change the Optional
Components)

(For Florian Reisinger) In addition, a parallel install will not work (under
Windows XP Pro x86 SP3) because of a missing MSVCR110.dll
Probably the installer doesn't go through that step when doing a parallel
install?

Best regards,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Pedro]

Hi Thorsten


Thorsten Behrens wrote
 Can look into that - out of curiosity, why does that matter?

Firstly it makes it easier to automate download/installation using tools
such as Florian's SI GUI and secondly because when the user is browsing for
the Master installers (files are usually sorted by name), all other builds
are under M and yours are under L, which is obviously not a big problem,
just annoying :)

One other request: your Tinderbox is not creating the txt files with the
build info. Unfortunately this is the only element that allows QA to know
from which TB each binary came from (before installing, obviously) so it is
quite important that it is generated with the binary...

Ex:
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Windows-x86@47-TDF/2013-10-15_13.31.21/


Thorsten Behrens wrote
 Currently your tinderbox is the only one producing daily binaries from
 the
 Master branch for the Windows platform, so thank you for listening (and
 for
 fixing the capital X in the TB name)
 
 No prob - but I see up-to-date binaries in
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@42/current/ as
 well?

Ehr... Tinderbox #42 IS your tinderbox... And current is a virtual folder
pointing at the latest successful build :)
I don't see any other recent Windows Master builds in the other
tinderboxes...


Thorsten Behrens wrote
 I don't know if this is deliberate but when doing a Custom install most
 of
 the components don't show up? (the user can only change the Optional
 Components)
 
 No idea, but it may well be due to the fact the box is _not_ doing
 release builds, but rather ~minimal developer builds. Happy to tweak
 configure options (the very first line in the body part of the
 tinderbox detailed log), if there's consensus it is worthwhile.

Yes, but all previous minimal builds before the Optional Components allowed
the user to select LibreOfficeDev Program Modules... I'm just mentioning
this because it seems like a regression. If this won't affect the release
build installer then just forget I mentioned it ;)

Cheers,
Pedro



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Pedro]

Hi Michael, ape


Michael Stahl-2 wrote
 iirc the MSVC runtime DLLs are installed into C:/Windows, and that does
 of course not happen when doing an administrative installation with
 MSI since that does not change C:/Windows.

That is what I figured. This means that parallel instals under Windows XP
will not work from now on unless the user previously installed MSVCR 2012...


Michael Stahl-2 wrote
 you can download the Visual Studio 2012 Redistributable (x86) from
 Microsoft and just install that.

Yes, I know that. I was just warning Florian Reisinger about this
limitation. Maybe SI GUI needs to have a warning or run some system check?
It probably makes sense to also add a warning to the Wiki page on Parallel
install?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Pedro]

Hi Christian

In case you haven't noticed, TB #47 is still not producing any Windows
Master binaries... The latest build was on the 15th. Two more folders were
created but they only contain the txt file...


Christian Lohmaier-2 wrote
 2) Add the details of your Tinderbox to the table at
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Tinderbox

Thank you for updating the table. 
Could you please rename the TB to match the name in the table?

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[Libreoffice-commits] core.git: Branch 'distro/collabora/cp-4.1' - sc/source

[Pedro Giffuni]

 sc/source/ui/vba/vbawindow.cxx |   83 +++--
 sc/source/ui/vba/vbawindow.hxx |2 
 2 files changed, 56 insertions(+), 29 deletions(-)

New commits:
commit b9a4efe219b27adb09dbb56efb829b1e88f88ef7
Author: Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
Date:   Mon Aug 13 17:05:00 2012 +

i106278 - Window.ActiveSheet,Window.FreezePanes,Window.Split, Window.View

not working correctly.

Patch by:   lihuiibm
Reviewed by:Chen Peng

diff --git a/sc/source/ui/vba/vbawindow.cxx b/sc/source/ui/vba/vbawindow.cxx
index caf68a0..99ec6eb 100644
--- a/sc/source/ui/vba/vbawindow.cxx
+++ b/sc/source/ui/vba/vbawindow.cxx
@@ -597,25 +597,33 @@ ScVbaWindow::getFreezePanes() throw 
(uno::RuntimeException)
 }
 
 void SAL_CALL
-ScVbaWindow::setFreezePanes( ::sal_Bool /*_bFreezePanes*/ ) throw 
(uno::RuntimeException)
+ScVbaWindow::setFreezePanes( ::sal_Bool _bFreezePanes ) throw 
(uno::RuntimeException)
 {
 uno::Reference sheet::XViewPane  xViewPane( getController(), 
uno::UNO_QUERY_THROW );
 uno::Reference sheet::XViewSplitable  xViewSplitable( xViewPane, 
uno::UNO_QUERY_THROW );
 uno::Reference sheet::XViewFreezable  xViewFreezable( xViewPane, 
uno::UNO_QUERY_THROW );
-if( xViewSplitable-getIsWindowSplit() )
+if( _bFreezePanes )
 {
-// if there is a split we freeze at the split
-sal_Int32 nColumn = getSplitColumn();
-sal_Int32 nRow = getSplitRow();
-xViewFreezable-freezeAtPosition( nColumn, nRow );
+if( xViewSplitable-getIsWindowSplit() )
+{
+// if there is a split we freeze at the split
+sal_Int32 nColumn = getSplitColumn();
+sal_Int32 nRow = getSplitRow();
+xViewFreezable-freezeAtPosition( nColumn, nRow );
+}
+else
+{
+// otherwise we freeze in the center of the visible sheet
+table::CellRangeAddress aCellRangeAddress = 
xViewPane-getVisibleRange();
+sal_Int32 nColumn = aCellRangeAddress.StartColumn + (( 
aCellRangeAddress.EndColumn - aCellRangeAddress.StartColumn )/2 );
+sal_Int32 nRow = aCellRangeAddress.StartRow + (( 
aCellRangeAddress.EndRow - aCellRangeAddress.StartRow )/2 );
+xViewFreezable-freezeAtPosition( nColumn, nRow );
+}
 }
 else
 {
-// otherwise we freeze in the center of the visible sheet
-table::CellRangeAddress aCellRangeAddress = 
xViewPane-getVisibleRange();
-sal_Int32 nColumn = aCellRangeAddress.StartColumn + (( 
aCellRangeAddress.EndColumn - aCellRangeAddress.StartColumn )/2 );
-sal_Int32 nRow = aCellRangeAddress.StartRow + (( 
aCellRangeAddress.EndRow - aCellRangeAddress.StartRow )/2 );
-xViewFreezable-freezeAtPosition( nColumn, nRow );
+//remove the freeze panes
+xViewSplitable-splitAtPosition(0,0);
 }
 }
 
@@ -640,8 +648,7 @@ ScVbaWindow::setSplit( ::sal_Bool _bSplit ) throw 
(uno::RuntimeException)
 uno::Reference excel::XRange  xRange = ActiveCell();
 sal_Int32 nRow = xRange-getRow();
 sal_Int32 nColumn = xRange-getColumn();
-xViewFreezable-freezeAtPosition( nColumn-1, nRow-1 );
-SplitAtDefinedPosition( sal_True );
+SplitAtDefinedPosition( nColumn-1, nRow-1 );
 }
 }
 
@@ -658,10 +665,8 @@ ScVbaWindow::setSplitColumn( sal_Int32 _splitcolumn ) 
throw (uno::RuntimeExcepti
 if( getSplitColumn() != _splitcolumn )
 {
 uno::Reference sheet::XViewFreezable  xViewFreezable( 
getController(), uno::UNO_QUERY_THROW );
-sal_Bool bFrozen = getFreezePanes();
 sal_Int32 nRow = getSplitRow();
-xViewFreezable-freezeAtPosition( _splitcolumn, nRow );
-SplitAtDefinedPosition( !bFrozen );
+SplitAtDefinedPosition( _splitcolumn, nRow );
 }
 }
 
@@ -684,8 +689,7 @@ sal_Int32 SAL_CALL
 ScVbaWindow::getSplitRow() throw (uno::RuntimeException)
 {
 uno::Reference sheet::XViewSplitable  xViewSplitable( getController(), 
uno::UNO_QUERY_THROW );
-sal_Int32 nValue = xViewSplitable-getSplitRow();
-return nValue ? nValue - 1 : nValue;
+return xViewSplitable-getSplitRow();
 }
 
 void SAL_CALL
@@ -694,10 +698,8 @@ ScVbaWindow::setSplitRow( sal_Int32 _splitrow ) throw 
(uno::RuntimeException)
 if( getSplitRow() != _splitrow )
 {
 uno::Reference sheet::XViewFreezable  xViewFreezable( 
getController(), uno::UNO_QUERY_THROW );
-sal_Bool bFrozen = getFreezePanes();
 sal_Int32 nColumn = getSplitColumn();
-xViewFreezable-freezeAtPosition( nColumn , _splitrow );
-SplitAtDefinedPosition( !bFrozen );
+SplitAtDefinedPosition( nColumn, _splitrow );
 }
 }
 
@@ -716,15 +718,30 @@ ScVbaWindow::setSplitVertical(double _splitvertical ) 
throw (uno::RuntimeExcepti
 xViewSplitable-splitAtPosition( 0, static_castsal_Int32( fVertiPixels ) 
);
 }
 
-void ScVbaWindow::SplitAtDefinedPosition(sal_Bool _bUnFreezePane)
+void ScVbaWindow

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.6 RC2 test builds available

[Pedro]

Hi Jean-Baptiste


Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote
 This link (for example) :
 https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=deb-x86_64version=4.0.6lang=fr
 It gives only the RC1.

Never mind RC2. The final version (aka 4.0.6.2 or just 4.0.6) was already
announced

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Document-Foundation-announces-LibreOffice-4-0-6-tp4079543.html

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Pedro]

Hi Florian


Florian Reisinger wrote
 PS: Too many builds here!

I guess you didn't read the original email by ape...

There AREN'T too many builds... Just too many EMPTY folders!

There AREN'T any builds NEWER than Oct 16th.

@ape, the builds from both tinderboxes (#39 and #47) work under Windows XP
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Pedro]

Hi Christian, Thorsten, all

Thank you for the information. However some of the Windows tinderboxes
(e.g. #6 and #39) were maintained by Suse employees... Maybe someone at TDF
should handle this?

I'm re-adding Thorsten in the loop (he is the admin for #42) just in case he
missed this...

BTW Thorsten could you please rename your TB to Win-x86@42 (with a lower
case x)? See explanation for this below


Christian Lohmaier-2 wrote
 (no need to poke #47 admin, that's me :-))

Could you please:
1) Rename your Tinderbox to Win-x86@47-TDF to follow the naming rules at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Tinderbox
and to make it easier for Florian's Server Instal GUI?

2) Add the details of your Tinderbox to the table at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Tinderbox

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.6 RC2 test builds available

[Pedro]

Hi Jean-Baptiste


Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote
 It seems that something went wrong, the version 4.0.6.2 is no longer
 available in http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

Why do you think this is wrong? It was available for a few days and now a
new build is available. In fact the official 4.0.6 should be out before next
week...

If you are really interested in testing it you can still find it at some
mirrors e.g.
http://mirror.unlogisch.ch/tdf/libreoffice/testing/4.0.6/

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Pedro]

Hi Thorsten


Thorsten Behrens wrote
 Noticing now, cleaned up there.
 
 Best course of action in the future - poke one of the tinderbox admins
 (visible from the log / detailed tb info page) directly, they all have
 access to that dir.

Thanks for cleaning up. But there is a deeper problem with Master daily
builds for the Windows platform
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Windows-builds-last-2013-10-16-tp4078857.html

Regarding poking: I tried that in the past... I was either ignored or told I
was disrespectful. I'm done with that. When there are builds I run them,
when there aren't I don't. Simple :)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Windows builds (last 2013-10-16)

[Pedro]

Hola Miguel Ángel


mariosv wrote
 but except the one with last build and the current/ are all empty.

current is a link to the latest valid build (in this case from the 16th). 
It's not a real folder and that is why it is never empty (unless all other
daily builds have been deleted) :)

You forgot to mention that you are referring to Tinderbox #39.

All other Windows tinderboxes for the Master branch are either empty or the
builds are even older than that.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.2 RC3 test builds available

[Pedro]

Hi Björn

Thank you for the update.


Bjoern Michaelsen wrote
 FWIW, there are now current builds by Win-x86_9-Voreppe on
 
  http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-4-1/
 
 and a reasonably recent bibisect at
 
  http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/libreoffice/binrepo/
 
 and my machine is also currently building a additional bibisect, just to
 be
 safe.
 
 For the rest, see:
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-minutes-of-ESC-call-td4077534.html

The discussion referred to Master builds. Not only for Windows but according
to Thomas also for Debian.
I know that human resources are scarce and valuable (it just find it amusing
when PR starts bragging about the hundreds of devs) but if testing ahead
is important then TDF needs to make sure that the tinderboxes (at least
those owned by TDF) keep sharing valid binaries ;)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.2 RC3 test builds available

[Pedro]

Hi Björn


Bjoern Michaelsen wrote
 Not at all, since the builds themselves are provided by volunteers. Of
 course,
 you are invited to maintain a tinderbox providing daily builds in a more
 reliable fashion (or help out with one of the existing ones). Actually
 that
 would be most welcome!

As you know, I'm not a developer. Getting a tinderbox to work in a more
reliable fashion requires developer knowledge. I think it would make more
sense to invite one the project's developers (I'm sure that out of the
hundreds of LO developers there must be some who are not swamped with work
and would gladly take this task...)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.2 RC3 test builds available

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Web Page Wizard doesn't work under Windows XP using version 4.1.2.3 both
installed and portable.

It does work on LO 4.0.5 so it seems to be a regression.

It doesn't work on LO 4.2.0 Alpha (dated 2031-10-04 from TB 39) so the bug
seems to be in the Master branch as well.

Can anyone provide more feedback before I submit this to Bugzilla?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.2 RC3 test builds available

[Pedro]

Hi Thomas

Thank you for your fast answer and for testing.


Thomas Hackert wrote
 Web Page Wizard doesn't work under Windows XP using version
 4.1.2.3 both installed and portable.
 
 what do you mean with doesn't work? It does not start, you cannot 
 use the wizard, or something completely different?

8

Nothing happens when I click on File  Wizards Web Page. All other Wizards
start and work as expected.


Thomas Hackert wrote
 I have tested it with LO Version 4.0.6.1 (Build ID: 
 7168152d13aa529ba3718c9ae3700216a574137) as well as Version: 4.1.2.3
 Build ID: 40b2d7fde7e8d2d7bc5a449dc65df4d08a7dd38 and Germanphone 
 lang- as well as helppack under Debian Testing. I can use the 
 assistent up to the last step (have not tested it further though ... 
 :( ) without any problem ... ;)

Excellent. So this seems to be a Windows only bug.


Thomas Hackert wrote
 It doesn't work on LO 4.2.0 Alpha (dated 2031-10-04 from TB 39) so
 the bug seems to be in the Master branch as well.
 
 There are no daily builds for Debian since last December, so I am 
 not able to test it, sorry ... :(

Unfortunately TDF's position is there is no official guarantee that daily
builds for some specific platform and configuration will continuously be
built and uploaded

Which is a curious position, since some TDF members ask the QA team members
to do early testing on the Master branch... Maybe the QA team members
compile their own binaries...


Thomas Hackert wrote
 It would be nice, if you could give us some more info ... ;) I am 
 not sure, what exactly your problem is ... :(
 Sorry for the inconvenience

I hope the info provided now is better. Sorry for not making it clearer on
the first post ;)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Differences in LO's spell checker between 3.x and 4.1?

[Pedro]

Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
 I can confirm this bug with LO Version 4.0.6.1 (Build ID: 
 7168152d13aa529ba3718c9ae3700216a574137) and installed Germanophone 
 lang- as well as helppack under Debian Testing AMD64. But if I do 
 this w/ LO Version: 4.1.2.3 Build ID: 
 40b2d7fde7e8d2d7bc5a449dc65df4d08a7dd38 on this same system, I 
 cannot confirm it ... :( So ... Were there some changes either in 
 the spellchecker itself or in its UI, which leads to this 
 difference? Can someone explain it to me as a non-programmer? And 
 can someone else confirm this bug, please?

I can confirm that the bug is present in LO 4.0.5.2 but not in 4.1.1.2 under
Windows XP using the Eng_US interface.
It seems it was fixed in the 4.1 branch (but not backported to the 4.0
branch) and you can close the bug as FIXED ;)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.6 RC1 test builds available

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Hi Cor

Thank you for your kind words ;)


Cor Nouws wrote
 And you're fully right that the intervention of hidden options that have 
 been set, is a stupid thing. (IIRC there has be done some commit around 
 this, possibly in master?)

I would say that at least it is dangerous and misleading. 
I couldn't find that issue in Bugzilla, do you have any idea where I could
find that?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.2 RC3 test builds available

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Major regression found in 4.1.2.3 (I haven't teste 4.1.2.1 or 4.1.2.2 but it
is a regression from 4.1.1.2)

Reported here
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70029



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Doubled Help and Close in Find Replace window

[Pedro]

Hi Thomas

I don't see any duplicated buttons (it would be better if you attached an
image, not to the email but to Nabble)

However there are some odd half buttons...

In LO 4.1.2.2 (under Windows XP x86 en_US) it looks like this

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4075710/Similarity.png 

Notice the half button in front of Similarity.

But I just noticed that two options have been removed since version 4.1.1.2:
Match character width and Sounds like (Japanese) which also had an
half button. Maybe these functions weren't used? Or is this a regression?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Doubled Help and Close in Find Replace window

[Pedro]

Hi again Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
 I cannot confirm this on my system ... ;) Did you enable Show UI 
 elements for East Asian writings in Tools – Options – Language 
 Settings – Languages? On my system they are both full buttons and 
 they are both there ... ;)

You are correct. That option was enabled by mistake in 4.1.1.2
Un-selecting it removes the two extra options. So all is good except for the
half buttons :)

Curiously the whole Enhanced Language Support section has been removed in
4.2 Alpha (at least in Version: 4.2.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: a8865e5df62b5f33aa769d459b9823eb5b110d4b
TinderBox: Win-x86@6-debug, Branch:master, Time: 2013-09-03_14:36:22 which
is the latest Master version available for Windows XP)

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

[Pedro]

Hi Jean-François


Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote
 This is interesting, indeed. But I see a problem here: the automatic
 setting (the bad word is automatic). This won't make styles apparent
 to users and you may end with users changing bold to italics by hand,
 just because they miss the style side of the thing.

Yes, that is a risk. But with the automatic style creation mechanism you
have the best of both worlds: 1) simple (as in direct formatting is visibly
applied) for those who refuse/ignore/can't learn styles and 2) advanced (the
style is there in the background so if you want to do better there is a path
to work with styles without having to reformat the whole text).

You can't force people to use styles. You can show them there is another way
but never impose it on them. Otherwise you will not help them but instead
just make them give up on LibreOffice.

And in many (most?) cases people *don't need* styles because they are never
going to change any formatting and the documents aren't complex enough to
need more than Default and Default+Bold :)

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

[Pedro]

mariosv wrote
 There you can create a new style based on the current format, and the type
 of style depends on what type you have selected: paragraph, character or
 page.

But that is not the same. First, you need to *manually* create the new style
(and give it a name) while what MS Word does is create it *automatically*
based on a modified character or paragraph. Second, that modification always
receives the same name so that all parts of the text modified in the same
way *automatically* have the same Style name, therefore you can modify all
occurrences just by modifying the *automatically* created Style.

My point is: MS mechanism to create styles automatically based on direct
formatting is (to my current knowledge) the best way to lead people to use
styles (if they wish) without imposing it on them.

Some users try to evangelize people into using LibreOffice with the argument
that it handles Styles better. Maybe it does, but the way to get access to
the Styles is currently very user-unfriendly. The buttons that allow access
to Styles are small, usually hidden and many features (such as the
*essential* option to Modify) are only accessible through right-clicking
(which is *not* the intuitive or usual action of the average user).

IMO LibreOffice should start by adopting the same automatic style creation
mechanism and at the same time have the UX team revise and severely
*improve* the usability of Styles.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Microsoft Installer Error 1937 with TB 39 Windows builds of master for failing assembly signature(s) -- fdo 69601

[Pedro]

Hi ape


ape wrote
 Look the log file on the page:
 http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/cgi-bin/gunzip.cgi?tree=MASTERfull-log=1379905201.19567
 .
 
 Rows 169, 170 and 171 show that Kendy builds TB#39 MSI package for The
 Vista OS, Windows-7 and Windows-8:
 169 checking for Windows SDK... found Windows SDK 8.0
 (/cygdrive/c/PROGRA~2/WI3CF2~1/8.0)
 170 configure: WARNING: If a build created with VS 2012 should run on
 Windows XP,
 171 configure: WARNING: use --with-windows-sdk=7.1A (requires VS 2012
 Update 1 or newer).

Ok. The question is why? What is the point of disabling XP suport? Is TDF
going to drop support for XP before Microsoft? Are the major changes being
carried out (like OpenCL) incompatible with Windows XP?


ape wrote
 Windows XP users have a rest from the tests.

Yep. No problem ;)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Microsoft Installer Error 1937 with TB 39 Windows builds of master for failing assembly signature(s) -- fdo 69601

[Pedro]

Hi Christian


Christian Lohmaier-3 wrote
 Ok. The question is why? What is the point of disabling XP suport
 
 It is the contrary - before the change that added the warning, you
 couldn't
 target XP when using current version of visual studio. Visual studio is
 what didn't support XP, the LibreOffice code does.
 Only since Visual Studio Update it is possible to compile for XP. It is a
 build system thing, just like you cannot run distro built versions of LO
 on
 other distros that are older (or even the older release of the same
 distro)
 
 One of the goals of tinderboxes is to check compilation on many different
 build configurations after all.

Thank you for the clarification. Looking forward to new builds that work
under XP ;)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Microsoft Installer Error 1937 with TB 39 Windows builds of master for failing assembly signature(s) -- fdo 69601

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Michael Stahl-2 wrote
 where do you get the idea that support for XP would be dropped from
 release builds now?  clearly the problem is just a badly configured
 tinderbox, perhaps it has the non-updated release VS 2012 installed that
 only has the 8.0 sdk.

Let's see: in August there were 3 tinderboxes producing binaries for
Windows. Only one produced binaries that worked under XP. Since September
9th that tinderbox stopped producing any binaries and yet the other two
continued to produce Win7+ binaries.

So, it is not a single badly configured tinderbox... In fact from a user
perspective it was the opposite: it was a single properly configured
tinderbox :)

Andras explained there were some problems

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Why-no-daily-master-builds-tp4073881.html

but Christian finally provided a clear explanation

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Microsoft-Installer-Error-1937-with-TB-39-Windows-builds-of-master-for-failing-assembly-signature-s-1-tt4075051.html#a4075107

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Microsoft Installer Error 1937 with TB 39 Windows builds of master for failing assembly signature(s) -- fdo 69601

[Pedro]

V Stuart Foote wrote
 The same downloads will install on Wnidows 8 and on Windows 7 Enterprise
 sp1 64-bit system.  But not on Windows XP where I get the same Error 1937
 for same component. 
 
 So far it is just on one system for me. But is anyone else having this
 issue?  Ideas about what could be causing it?

The only daily Master builds that still worked on XP were those from TB #6.
Since the 9th of September it has stopped delivering binaries and they have
been removed (as all TBs do after a given number of days). Currently there
aren't any builds available.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.2 RC2 test builds available

[Pedro]

Hi all

The first time I downloaded the installer file for Windows, the download was
somehow corrupted.

Although the file size was correct (215334912 bytes) and GPG verification
reported no errors (which is contrary to what Bjorn told me some time ago
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Testing-LibreOffice-Daily-Builds-tp4046161p4046325.html),
installation failed (see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69570)

However when I created a SHA1 (using GPG4Win) of a newly downloaded
installer (which works correctly) it doesn't match the corrupted file (as
expected, obviously)

My point here is: if GPG verification does not guarantee file integrity can
TDF provide a Checksum (SHA1 or MD5) with the Pre-release files?

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

[Pedro]

Hi Jean-Francois


Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote
 Yes, for sure. But changing a style is extensive: the changes apply
 throughout the document, whereas a local format is, well, local.
 IOW, changing a style is worth the few extra clicks, if any and setting
 direct formatting is actually requiring many more clicks 

You don't need to explain to me the advantages of styles vs direct
formatting. But your argument fails in one small detail: it is only valid if
the user wants to CHANGE the formatting at a later stage. Otherwise it is
MUCH faster to use direct formatting.


Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote
 (you forgot to multiply the local formatting clicks by the number of local
 settings).

No, I didn't. 
Example: if you want to change a word to Bold you just press the B button.
If you create a Bold word style you still need to select the word, switch to
the Styles and Formatting sidebar, click on the Character Styles, locate
the Strong Emphasis style in the list (which is very unlikely to be found
for two reasons: it doesn't contain the word Bold, which is probably what a
new user is looking for AND it isn't sorted alphabetically, which makes it
even harder to find...)
And you have to do this for every word regardless of using direct formatting
or styles.

So from an UX perspective, LO still has a long way to go if it wants to sell
the Styles approach...

To be honest the Microsoft approach is much more efficient: when you press
the Bold button, the Style is automatically changed to Normal+Bold which
allows you to modify the Style for all Bold word at a later stage...

Maybe LO should make the buttons have the same effect? From a user
perspective it is applying a direct formatting but in the background it is
creating and applying Styles...

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

[Pedro]

Hi Cor


Cor Nouws wrote
 Direct formatting is
 less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more
 confusing to the average user than MSO's.
 
 Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion?

Because the direct format button are in your face and changing a style
requires clicking 1) left click the Style name (assuming the Style bar is
showing and that the user knows how to get to it); 2) Click Modify; 3)
search for the format option in one out of 12 (!!!)  tabs; 4) Click OK

Example for changing a full paragraph to Bold in direct format: 1) if you
are a keyboard addict as myself just navigate to the beginning of the
Paragraph and press Ctrl+Shift+Down and Ctrl+B. Done! 2) if you are a mouse
user just click at the beginning of the paragraph, drag to the end and
single click on the big B icon. Done!

To do the same with Styles you need to select the Paragraph and at least 5
mouse clicks (assuming you know where Styles are) ;)

BTW I just added an Enhancement Request so that Sidebar is set per
Module/Program
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69534

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

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Hi ape


ape wrote
 Hi, all
 
 Server at dev-builds.libreoffice.org:
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/
 This part of the site contains many empty and outdated directories. Can
 anyone from the project managers remove garbage?
 --
 ape

I think you have not signed correctly to this mailing list or you are
somehow blacklisted :)

As you can see in your previous topic
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Why-no-daily-master-builds-td4073881.html
none of your messages reached the list. They are only posted on Nabble...

Regarding your question, I made a similar request over a month ago but
nobody bothered to answer... I hope someone answers to you...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Why no daily master builds

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Hi ape

I believe it must be related to the fact that many of the tinderboxes (e.g.
Tinderbox #6, the only one producing binaries for all Windows versions) were
run by Suse staff and Suse has dropped LO development
(https://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2013-09-03-collabora.html)

See list of tinderboxes and people running them here
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Why no daily master builds

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Hi Andras


Andras Timar-3 wrote
 No, that's not the case. Tinderboxes are up and running and it was
 never the responsibility of the SUSE staff to fix regressions reported
 by Tinderboxes. 

I never said (or implied) it was their responsibility to fix those
regressions :)

I assumed that the Tinderboxes were a property of Suse and with this change
in Suse's position they would no longer be available for compiling LO
binaries (only some say tdf-owned hardware so the owner of e.g. #6 could
be Suse).

Tinderbox #39 manages to produce Windows binaries most days (even if they do
not work in Windows XP) so it must be doing something right :)

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Re: is there a portable version of libre office for win 7 ?

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Actually there are two portable versions.

The one suggested by Christian and X-LibreOffice from winPenPack.

You can get the latest version from
http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1354
or choose any specific version from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/

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Re: is there a portable version of libre office for win 7 ?

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Hi Jonathan


Jonathan Aquilina wrote
 How is the portable apps one not as good as the other they should be
 exactly the same.

They are exactly the same package. But the winPenPack packaging has some
fantastic details (ability to choose more than one interface language and
more than one set of language tools). In addition the binaries are somehow
optimized. They just run faster (even faster than the installed official
version) and this is particularly noticeable on slower hardware.

Just try it for yourself.

In any case this is the Dev mailing list and the whole topic is completely
out of place (if this was a Forum it would already have been moved ;) )

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Update not working as expected?

[Pedro]

Hi all

Just checked for updates under Windows XP x86 with LibreOffice 4.1.0.1 and
got LibreOffice 4.1 is up to date.

Not only 4.1.0.1 wasn't the last RC in the 4.1.0 release but 4.1.1 (aka rc2)
was officially released.

Is this (another) XP issue or is there some problem with version checking?

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Re: Update not working as expected?

[Pedro]

Hi Julien


julien2412 wrote
 I've just read about this comment:
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67556#c2
 In brief, 4.1 will be proposed via update checking when 4.1.3 or 4.1.4
 will be released (see release plan here:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#4.1_release)

That is news to me. What the ESC said a few days ago was
+ upgrade 3.6 users to 4.0.5 once that is out (Cloph)
   [ update switched on 3.6 - 4.0.5 and 4.1 - 4.1.0, in a few
 days update to 4.1.1 - waiting on feedback.
 Makes sense - have some slow mirrors (Thorsten) ] 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-td4072185.html

Which makes sense for 4.1.1 which was officially released 2 days ago but
4.1.0 final was released in July 25th...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23

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Hi Tommy


Tommy wrote
 Window user can however do manual regression tests using the portable  
 X-LibreOffice version developed from winPenPack.
 
 here's their repository including all versions they did:
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/
 
 versions from 3.3.3 to 4.1.0 are available (4.0.5 is still under work)

I'm glad the QA team listens to you. X-LibreOffice does deserve it indeed.
BTW version 4.0.5 is already out.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/
I hope this request somehow contributed to it
http://www.winpenpack.com/en/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?57347

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.1 RC2 test builds available

[Pedro]

Hi Christian, all


Christian Lohmaier-2 wrote
 They are already distributed to the mirrors, so announcement to the
 general public can be done quickly if no dealbreakers are found (still
 hidden from the user, but already on the mirror network)

Thank you for your email. I had never realized there was such a lag between
other builds and the Windows ones.

I installed 4.1.1.2 and am extremely happy with the clean update from
4.0.5.2. There were no leftover files anywhere and it is working perfectly.

There is a small quirk that crept in (a regression from branch 4.0): a
desktop icon is always created even if the user performs a Custom install
and deliberately deselects that option. See
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65102

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.1 RC2 test builds available

[Pedro]

Hi Christian


Christian Lohmaier-3 wrote
 for the upcoming new version 4.1.1, the RC2 most of the builds are now
 available on pre-releases (Windows build still uploading)

There are builds available for all other OSes since the 21st of August, but
none for Windows. 
Did the Windows builds fail?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Non-debug Windows daily builds: tb39

[Pedro]

Hi Kendy, Thorsten, all


Pedro wrote
 The debug master build from the 13th (Version: 4.2.0.0.alpha0+
 Build ID: 73c02c20b19702dbe662fe0d80601049f015d8ac
 TinderBox: Win-x86@6-debug, Branch:master, Time: 2013-08-13_21:26:14) 
 
 worked correctly so it won't help in solving the problems that were added
 posteriorly (except that now you know that it did work on the 13th).

Update: the debug build from the 21st works correctly under Windows XP
(thank you whoever runs this Tinderbox), 
It is quite obvious that something is missing from the builds from Tinderbox
@39 and @42

Nevertheless the information in the About box is broken again (Version:
4.2.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: e8c0708ee9d0c01cbe0bdcb38ac14e34bdceef32)... It lost the third
line again (see above).

How is this possible that it works every other release? Why is this feature
so unstable???
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58034

Can someone also take a look at the following suggestions/requests or should
I submit a separate Bug report for each item?


Pedro wrote
 Two more comments:
 
 1) Please include in each daily build folder for Tinderboxes 39 and 42 a
 text file with details on the build like
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@6-debug/2013-08-13_21.26.14/master~2013-08-13_21.26.14_build_info.txt
 
 2) Would it be possible to add some checksum information in the txt file?
 Something like the first section of
 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/4.1.0/win/x86/LibreOffice_4.1.0_Win_x86.msi.mirrorlist
 Or maybe on a separate file?


Pedro wrote
 One request: can someone rename/delete Tinderboxes from
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/? 
 
 Tinderbox Win_X86@42 should be Win_x86@42 (the x in lowercase) and
 Tinderboxes 6 (not debug), 7 and 16 folders should be removed since they
 are not producing any master builds.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Non-debug Windows daily builds: tb39

[Pedro]

Hi Thorsten, all


Thorsten Behrens wrote
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-X86@42/2013-08-19_23.11.46/
 e.g. works just fine here. In general, of course, master can be broken
 (and then fixed again) at any given time... ;)
 
 If that still fails for you, some more input appreciated
 (e.g. backtrace, what libs are missing, etc).

None of the builds from tinderbox 39 and 42 works under Windows XP.

Please read the previous emails in this thread
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Non-debug-Windows-daily-builds-td4069175.html

I will be glad to run a debug build when there is a new one.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the ESC call 2013-08-15

[Pedro]

Thorsten Behrens wrote
 * Pending Action Items:
 + upgrade 3.6 users to 4.0.5 once that is out (Thorsten/Kendy)

Please make sure that you check OS version first.

See related bug report
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65128

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the ESC call 2013-08-15

[Pedro]

Hi Thorsten, all


Thorsten Behrens wrote
 I don't think that is possible - 3.6.x versions are already out there,
 and we cannot retroactively add the feature.

Good point. Maybe it's worth adding the check for OS version in the 4.2
branch to start testing with XP? I know Windows 2000 shouldn't be used
anywhere by now but Windows XP still has nearly a 40% cut of the desktop
OS...

In any case the OS version check can still be added to the Installer if the
upgrade is not forced for 4.0.5 but for 4.0.6??? (or is this considered a
new feature and can only be added to 4.2?)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65129

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Non-debug Windows daily builds: tb39

[Pedro]

Hi Kendy, Petr, all


This would be the perfect opportunity to run a debug build but the latest
available is from the 13th of August, so it's probably not worth running it
to check today's bugs?

ape wrote

The debug master build from the 13th (Version: 4.2.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: 73c02c20b19702dbe662fe0d80601049f015d8ac
TinderBox: Win-x86@6-debug, Branch:master, Time: 2013-08-13_21:26:14) 

worked correctly so it won't help in solving the problems that were added
posteriorly (except that now you know that it did work on the 13th).

Two more comments:

1) Please include in each daily build folder for Tinderboxes 39 and 42 a
text file with details on the build like
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@6-debug/2013-08-13_21.26.14/master~2013-08-13_21.26.14_build_info.txt

2) Would it be possible to add some checksum information in the txt file?
Something like the first section of
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/4.1.0/win/x86/LibreOffice_4.1.0_Win_x86.msi.mirrorlist
Or maybe on a separate file?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Non-debug Windows daily builds: tb39

[Pedro]

Hi Kendy


Jan Holesovsky wrote
 I can confirm that build
 master~2013-08-17_23.59.35_LibreOfficeDev_4.2.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86 from
 tinderbox 39 fails to run on Windows XP x86 SP3 en_US because it misses
 some
 MSVC dlls.

I could but it seems to me that this is a problem specific to Tinderbox 39?
Does it make sense to consider this a 4.2 MAB when it happens in a single
machine?

One request: can someone rename/delete Tinderboxes from
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/? 

Tinderbox Win_X86@42 should be Win_x86@42 (the x in lowercase) and
Tinderboxes 6 (not debug), 7 and 16 folders should be removed since they are
not producing any master builds.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Non-debug Windows daily builds: tb39

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Hi Kendy, all

For some odd reason this message by ape hasn't been accepted.

I can confirm that build
master~2013-08-17_23.59.35_LibreOfficeDev_4.2.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86 from
tinderbox 39 fails to run on Windows XP x86 SP3 en_US because it misses some
MSVC dlls.

I can also confirm that the build
libo-master~2013-08-17_22.48.29_LibreOfficeDev_4.2.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86 from
Tinderbox 42 crashes on start.

This would be the perfect opportunity to run a debug build but the latest
available is from the 13th of August, so it's probably not worth running it
to check today's bugs?


ape wrote
 Hi Kendy!
 Created big problems for testers program for Windows XP (my OS –
 Win_XP_64-bit_sp2) now:
 1. Master_@39
 (master~2013-08-17_23.59.35_LibreOfficeDev_4.2.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86.msi)
 does not start. LibreOffice reports that MSVCR-2012 libraries are not
 found.
 2. “Master_@42 (ID: 63b86dfdf84edfca0b49d97687e4759dd8d8efff; time:
 2013-08-17_22.48.29) runs at the second attempt. Every start accompanied
 by sending bug reports to Microsoft (an attachment).
 Regards, ape
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] Tag libreoffice-4.0.5.2 (on branch libreoffice-4-0-5) created

[Pedro]

Christian Lohmaier-3 wrote
 The tag libreoffice-4.0.5.2 (AKA 4.0.5 RC2) has been created. This is
 the last scheduled RC.

This message was created on the 13th but files are already being uploaded
for RC2 and they are from the 14th, a little more than 24 hours later... I
hope all is ok because there is obviously no interest in running these
builds through QA

BTW the 4.0.5.2 files are reporting Access forbidden!
You don't have permission to access the requested object. It is either
read-protected or not readable by the server. 



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration Plan

[Pedro]

Hi Jochen, all

I think this is a GREAT idea!


Jochen wrote
 2) What benefits?

IMO the main advantage would be to remove another one or two layers of
obstacles for the user

1) Instead of having to select the project from a long list where
LibreOffice is somewhere in the middle
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi) you would start here
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LibreOfficebug_status=UNCONFIRMED

2) If OpenID can be implemented (unfortunately I think it's an unsolvable
problem with OpenID https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294608) or
BrowserID or any other ID thing that removes the need for yet another
registration it would be fantastic


Jochen wrote
 3) Never change a running system

Agreed. Unless that system does not /no longer suit your needs or is user
unfriendly thus defeating it's purpose :)

Just my 2 cents...



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Non-debug Windows daily builds???

[Pedro]

Hi Petr


Petr Mladek wrote
 Yes, this is on purpose. We want to have a build with debugging symbols,
 so people could provide backtraces.

Ok. Whatever that means :)


Petr Mladek wrote
 Kendy, would be possible to enable uploading the daily builds from
 Win-X86@39, please?
 
 Well, this would solve only master. I do not see any really working
 Windows tinderbox for the 4-0 and 4-1 branches. I guess that it is
 because Markus, Cloph, and Thorsten are still fighting with the new
 hardware?

Yes, that is true. There aren't any dailies of any branch except for the
master debug...
Thank you for passing the message around.


Petr Mladek wrote
 PS: Should you have such complains, it is better to send them to the
 developer mailing list which is more actively monitored by the
 tinderboxes maintainers.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather be ignored on the QA list (as usual) than
insulted on the Dev list ;)

Cheers,
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[Libreoffice-qa] Non-debug Windows daily builds???

[Pedro]

Hi all

Two questions:

1) Tinderbox 6 stopped producing non-debug Windows daily builds for Master
branch. Is this deliberate?

2) There are 43 registered tinderboxes
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Tinderbox) . Isn't it
possible that at least one of these uploads Windows daily builds for Master
branch? E.g. Tinderbox 39 is producing daily builds from Master
(http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html) but there is no
corresponding download folder
(http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/)



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] URGENT Cherry pick regressions to next release

[Pedro]

Andras Timar-3 wrote
 It is in the review queue for 4.1.0:
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/4738/

Excellent! But it would make sense to let people know about that in
Bugzilla?

In Bugzilla you only get Whiteboard: BSA target:4.2.0 target:4.1.1

In any case, that was an example. I meant this (MAB regressions applied to
the nearest release) should be a general rule for Devs?



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[Libreoffice-qa] Windows crash message?

[Pedro]

Hi all

Does this kind of screenshot provide any valid information or is it just
Windows gibberish?

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4064175/Crash.png 

That is LO 4.1.0.1 and I just closed it (possibly the crash was related to
previous actions, like this bug
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66420)

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[Libreoffice-commits] core.git: download.lst vigra/UnpackedTarball_vigra.mk vigra/vigra1.4.0-enumwarn.patch vigra/vigra1.4.0.patch vigra/vigra1.4.0-unused-parameters.patch vigra/vigra1.6.0.patch vigra

[Pedro Giffuni]

 download.lst |2 
 vigra/UnpackedTarball_vigra.mk   |5 
 vigra/vigra1.4.0-enumwarn.patch  |   13 
 vigra/vigra1.4.0-unused-parameters.patch |   31 
 vigra/vigra1.4.0.patch   | 1713 ---
 vigra/vigra1.6.0-unused-parameters.patch |   31 
 vigra/vigra1.6.0.patch   | 1453 ++
 7 files changed, 1487 insertions(+), 1761 deletions(-)

New commits:
commit d5a3cf938907eb9ab61044810d984c73452eb200
Author: Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
Date:   Wed Sep 19 22:31:29 2012 +

Updates to upstream Vigra

Vigra 1.6.0 (Newer versions use Cmake)

* Adds a lot of functionality and includes improvements
for 64 bit compilers.
* Add explicit cast (gcc 4.7 compatibility patch by Stephan Bergmann)

https://github.com/ukoethe/vigra/commit/e0dcd31c76bb13c98920e21544b309ca47bb3c5c

More information on the Vigra changes here:
http://hci.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de/vigra/doc/vigra/CreditsChangelog.html
(cherry picked from commit 0f94142a20861c18f60b5be6fc4163c7e8a69240)

Conflicts:
external_deps.lst
mdds/makefile.mk
mdds/prj/d.lst
vigra/makefile.mk
vigra/prj/d.lst

Change-Id: I05de88982b9dab7c851fab16811ca696207cd091

Vigra: add missing mathutil.hxx patch

(cherry picked from commit ba446263713f7ce1dcc47f78b97840280018af89)

Change-Id: I506f0c1c96cfaf278b4e72de34b24633a1e99431

fix vigra patch for BasicImage::resizeCopy()

data_ is an actual data pointer but data is a member function
(since vigra-1.4). The method resizeCopy() seems to confuse data and data_
which the clang compiler was happy to point out. The OOo patch to vigra-1.4
already solved that problem but it was lost in the upgrade to vigra-1.6

(cherry picked from commit a71a282ae781b90c31e25eb631537f10fe842492)

Change-Id: Ifb031950c60efdda2d30e442990af95f557dd914

Build fix

(cherry picked from commit 6e6c057792a410dd36893674c59d452586733348)

Change-Id: Ide599665c78d377baf0b8f935274b41535749610

diff --git a/download.lst b/download.lst
index 9c5c4bc..4614321 100644
--- a/download.lst
+++ b/download.lst
@@ -83,7 +83,7 @@ export RHINO_TARBALL := 
798b2ffdc8bcfe7bca2cf92b62caf685-rhino1_5R5.zip
 export SWING_TARBALL := 35c94d2df8893241173de1d16b6034c0-swingExSrc.zip
 export TOMCAT_TARBALL := 
63574e3ada44f473892a61a2da433a59-apache-tomcat-5.5.36-src.tar.gz
 export UCPP_TARBALL := 0168229624cfac409e766913506961a8-ucpp-1.3.2.tar.gz
-export VIGRA_TARBALL := ea91f2fb4212a21d708aced277e6e85a-vigra1.4.0.tar.gz
+export VIGRA_TARBALL := d62650a6f908e85643e557a236ea989c-vigra1.6.0.tar.gz
 export WPD_TARBALL := 972afb8fdf02d9e7517e258b7fa7f0eb-libwpd-0.9.8.tar.bz2
 export WPG_TARBALL := b85436266b2ac91d351ab5684b181151-libwpg-0.2.2.tar.bz2
 export WPS_TARBALL := 46eb0e7f213ad61bd5dee0c494132cb0-libwps-0.2.9.tar.bz2
diff --git a/vigra/UnpackedTarball_vigra.mk b/vigra/UnpackedTarball_vigra.mk
index 72e6209..efab478 100644
--- a/vigra/UnpackedTarball_vigra.mk
+++ b/vigra/UnpackedTarball_vigra.mk
@@ -12,10 +12,9 @@ $(eval $(call gb_UnpackedTarball_UnpackedTarball,vigra))
 $(eval $(call gb_UnpackedTarball_set_tarball,vigra,$(VIGRA_TARBALL)))
 
 $(eval $(call gb_UnpackedTarball_add_patches,vigra,\
-   vigra/vigra1.4.0.patch \
+   vigra/vigra1.6.0.patch \
$(if $(filter GCC,$(COM)), \
-   vigra/vigra1.4.0-unused-parameters.patch) \
-   vigra/vigra1.4.0-enumwarn.patch \
+   vigra/vigra1.6.0-unused-parameters.patch) \
 ))
 
 # vim: set noet sw=4 ts=4:
diff --git a/vigra/vigra1.4.0-enumwarn.patch b/vigra/vigra1.4.0-enumwarn.patch
deleted file mode 100644
index 8ea1ed7..000
--- a/vigra/vigra1.4.0-enumwarn.patch
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,13 +0,0 @@
 misc/vigra1.4.0/include/vigra/sized_int.hxx2012-03-28 
13:36:02.743956393 +0200
-+++ misc/build/vigra1.4.0/include/vigra/sized_int.hxx  2012-03-28 
13:35:44.956057143 +0200
-@@ -80,8 +80,8 @@
- templateclass LIST
- struct SelectBiggestIntegerType
- {
--enum { cursize = LIST::size, 
--   nextsize = SelectBiggestIntegerTypetypename LIST::next::size,
-+enum { cursize = static_cast int (LIST::size), 
-+   nextsize = static_cast int (SelectBiggestIntegerTypetypename 
LIST::next::size),
-size = (cursize  nextsize) ? nextsize : cursize };
- typedef typename 
-IfBool(cursize  nextsize), 
diff --git a/vigra/vigra1.4.0-unused-parameters.patch 
b/vigra/vigra1.6.0-unused-parameters.patch
similarity index 80%
rename from vigra/vigra1.4.0-unused-parameters.patch
rename to vigra/vigra1.6.0-unused-parameters.patch
index f323178..7e23531 100644
--- a/vigra/vigra1.4.0-unused-parameters.patch
+++ b/vigra/vigra1.6.0-unused-parameters.patch
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 misc/vigra1.4.0/include/vigra/basicimage.hxx   2012-01-19 
22:49:11.232074631 +0100

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Triage Contest

[Pedro]

I fixed a formatting error on the wiki page but it is still missing a link to
the Top priority item.

Hopefully this message is not ignored as well...



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Triage Contest

[Pedro]

It would be useful if someone added links to the 2 items with Top priority
(i.e. Unconfirmed bugs against 4.1 regression and not-regression) in the
wiki.

I would add them myself but it is better to be done using the same
criteria/parameters than for the other items in the list.

Kind regards,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Need Testers for New Python Wizards - daily builds, 4.1 Beta or Master

[Pedro]

Update:


Pedro wrote
 Reported new bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65545

Fixed in Version: 4.1.0.0.beta2+
Build ID: 5f58b80f7355f5947635d70b54b3e87a7421d8f
TinderBox: Win-x86_9-Voreppe, Branch:libreoffice-4-1, Time:
2013-06-15_06:47:45

The other two bugs persist.



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Food for thought...

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Another interesting reading

http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2013/06/13/wasted-time/

This time about the new sidebar (and more, obviously)



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Food for thought...

[Pedro]

Hi Bjoern


Bjoern Michaelsen wrote
 great to see your enthusiasm here, but while that is indeed an interesting
 read, can we please keep the QA list on QA topics?

Actually I think these ARE QA topics (although they are not QA *work*). The
first article talks about User Satisfaction which is a concern for anyone
worried about Quality (I hope...)
The second one is about the Sidebar which is getting too much attention
while it still is not ready for mainstream (e.g. many icons are missing). I
know it is quite hidden but it is getting focus like it's a Major new
feature (the same that happened with the Persona which is still an
unfinished job IMO)

Cheers,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug Report Incorrectly Marked as NEW

[Pedro]

Hi Enervation


Enervation wrote
 I reported a bug, which is located at
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65571
 
 However, it is marked as NEW even though no one triaged it. Can someone
 resolve this?

This is the default now. Bugs are initially marked as NEW. If additional
information is required it will be changed to NEEDINFO. I'm not sure what a
triager should change it to if it is confirmed... @Joel???



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