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--- Comment #25 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #24)
> Show up to level:

+1

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--- Comment #24 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #23)
> cannot wrap my mind around this multidimensional ToC definition. 
As discussed Bug 153712, comment 2, the "levels" here is comparable to the
"Level" control in the Field (Document) dialog for "Chapter" (now "heading"). 
As you have noted, the option controls how many levels of the heading number
are displayed. 

> We could also treat the "level" as unit like "Show up to [  ] levels"
If we agree that "Show" is the right word here, then we can use the same
solution as done recently for Navigator (bug 153485, comment 10):

Show up to level:

If this label proposal is ok, then I can:
(a) change label in UI
(b) add/update a tooltip/extended tip for that control
(c) update online help page
As @Timur noted (comment 10): this option is not explained so clearly in the
help page. The description is accurate, but hard to understand.

And then thanks to Lee for informing Documentation team about improving Users
Guide.

Meanwhile -- this option is somewhat useless for adding heading numbers to
pages in an index, as long as bug 114773 is not resolved.

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--- Comment #23 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #17)
> > it remains for someone with an understanding of the architecture to 
> > determine
> > if this is the intended solution.
> @Heiko?  And more generally -- is the intended behavior accurately described
> by the word "Show" up to level"

I'm even more noobish than anyone else here ;-).

Never stumbled over "Evaluate up to level" but it seems to be equivalent to
Show (a H3 is shown if level-up-to is set to 3 but not H4). However, the E#
entry also has this option and I cannot wrap my mind around this
multidimensional ToC definition. Guess writing a few lines of code to generate
the ToC is quicker than trial and error with the existing dialog.

We could also treat the "level" as unit like "Show up to [  ] levels" (not
so good since it would be a l10n challenge).

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--- Comment #22 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Lee from comment #21)
> That email address I used in comment 20 failed.  I'm not sure how to get a
> hold of the documentation team.

They can now be reached here:
https://community.documentfoundation.org/c/documentation/12

Can you mention where you saw the mention of that mailing list? The change to
the forum happened relatively recently and there might be some references that
need to be updated.

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--- Comment #21 from Lee <92ma...@gmail.com> ---
That email address I used in comment 20 failed.  I'm not sure how to get a hold
of the documentation team.

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--- Comment #20 from Lee <92ma...@gmail.com> ---
Rather than some comments in the WIKI, perhaps the need for setting "evaluate
up to level" should be in the User's Guide discussion of the e# element for
customizing the TOC?

I just sent that suggestion to the documentation area (LibreOffice
Documentation ).

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[Bug 153751] Consistent naming of chapter, heading, outline, and level
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--- Comment #19 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #14)
> There is an additional problem --
> there is a blank space between the Heading (Chapter No.) and the page
> number.  
Bug 114773

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--- Comment #18 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
(In reply to @Timur from comment #13)
> "Enter the maximum hierarchy level down to which objects are shown in the
> generated index."
Note "maximum hierarchy level down to which objects  are shown" from the help
page (which I believe is unchanged from 2004).

if "objects"[1] is interpreted to mean "outline levels in the heading
numbering", then the key phrase is "down to which" -- because the entered
number is showing the maximum number of levels (from the top of the hierarchy)
that are shown.

In other words -- some circumstantial evidence that the help page  is
consistent with the hypothesis that the label should be:  "Show up to outline
level"

> Or maybe that should be renamed, because it doesn't seem to do the same as 
> Evaluate up to level in Type tab.
I agree.  The "Type" tab evaluate is evaluating index levels.

It would be good if Lee could write instructions for the Wiki, because this
technique will only work if one outline level 1 heading is used in each
chapter.
The technique would not work in a document that uses more than one outline
level 1 heading in a chapter.


[1] I believe "objects" appear in help because the same text is used for the
different kinds of indices (e.g., Tables, Illustrations). Fortunately there are
separate help pages for these different kinds of indices, so it should be
possible to use a more appropriate word for each kind of index.

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--- Comment #17 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
(In reply to Lee from comment #4)
> There is a way to generate a Table of Contents (TOC) with page numbering by
> chapter. 
I see now that I have re-invented this wheel.

> Change the field "Evaluate up to level:" make the value a 1.
> Since there is a way to create a TOC with page numbers by chapter, 
Right.  Except for the new problem mentioned in comment 14 about the unwanted
space.

> it remains for someone with an understanding of the architecture to determine
> if this is the intended solution.
@Heiko?  And more generally -- is the intended behavior accurately described by
the word "Show" up to level"

Because this ticket intersects with bug 153561, will drag UXEval into the
picture.


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[Bug 122497] [META] Table of Contents and Indexes dialog bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #16 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
Additional hypothesis in case (such as the one here) where only Chapter
(outline level 1) heading is assigned numberings, but none of the lower
(outline) level headings are given numbering.  

"  " [blank] is shown for headings in levels 2-9 in the index (i.e., their
headings do not have numbers), and "evaluate up to..." is greater than 1.

For example, if "evaluate up to" is 2 for a level 3 entry, then rather than
showing the first level (which has a number), and nothing for the second level
(which has no numbering was assigned), it shows "blank" (but if Evaluate up to
is 1, then shows the first level).  Feels like a "bug" for now...

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--- Comment #15 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
(In reply to Timur from comment #13)
> Help explanation in Entries for Evaluate up to level:
> "Enter the maximum hierarchy level down to which objects are shown in the
> generated index."
> Unclear.
And probably wrong.  I am working on updating the help page for Entries (e.g.,
bug 153561), and have worked with the "Evaluate up to.." on the Type tab (bug
153596) -- so I can include this ticket as part of that work. But

it is still unclear to me what the "expected" behavior is.  Have tried to
understand the "actual" behavior for now (and then can evaluate whether changes
are needed and/or whether a question should be raised about "expected"
behavior).

My best hypothesis at present is that the actual behavior of "Evaluate up to
level" is to specify (from the top) how many levels of numbering are shown. 
Note that STR in comment 14 set "Evaluate..." to 1, which gave the desired
result of showing the "Chapter" (outline level 1) heading number.

One way to test this hypothesis is:

1. make a document with numbered headings for (say) 5 outline levels, then
2. insert a TOC.  (Do not need to add a Chapter No., can just use the one
included in the default Entry structure).  
By default, "evaluate..." is set to 10.

Actual: all numbering levels are shown for all entries  (default)

3. Edit index, change "evaluate..." to 3  (for level 2,3,4,5) -- if you have
used headings at 5 levels.

Actual: Up to three levels of numbering will be shown.  (e.g., level 3, 4, and
5 entries show level 1 no./level 2 no./level 3 no., while level 2 headings show
level 1 no./level 2 no., and level 1 shows level 1 no.

iow - a more accurate label of actual behavior might be:  "show up to outline
level" X

But this is only an empirical hypothesis -- would be better to have someone
confirm that the hypothesis is consistent with the source code.

Note: There seem to be some other quirks with these indexes, sort of like being
in one state (e.g, where things don't update when options are changed), but
after it comes into another "state", then changing options gives expected
results.  This experience is sort of consistent with the report here about
different behaviors with different versions.  In some cases, I just inserted a
new index, and then things worked as expected.  Sorry -- cannot systematically
reproduce this problem -- so just leaving this "warning" for those who will
test the hypothesis here.

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--- Comment #14 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
I produced what was requested in the OP using LO 7.6.0.0.alpha0+

STR

1. New Writer document.
2. Open Tools - Chapter Numbering
3. Select Level 1, then set Number to 1,2,3.
4. Make a document with headings (I used outline levels 1, 2, and 3), and
spread these headings over several pages.
5.  Open Insert TOC, use Entries tab, insert a "Chapter No." before # (page
number) for the number of outline levels used in step 5.  Each time after
inserting the Chapter No. in the structure, then select it, and set "Evaluate
up to level" = 1

Actual:  Each entry shows the heading number of the its immediately preceding
outline level 1 (heading 1/chapter) paragraph.

There is an additional problem -- which may need another ticket -- 
there is a blank space between the Heading (Chapter No.) and the page number.  

The space remains, even if the "Format" is set to "Number without Separator" 
(and no blanks were used in the Separator options in the Tools - Chapter
Numbering dialog). I could not see any way to not have it appear.  While this
problem is relevant to the task that motivated the OP, it is not relevant to
the actual issue in the OP (about showing "chapter" numbers).

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--- Comment #13 from Timur  ---
(In reply to Lee from comment #4)
> 3. (this is the part that is not well documented.) Select the E# field just
> entered.  Change the field "Evaluate up to level:" make the value a 1.

Help explanation in Entries for Evaluate up to level:
"Enter the maximum hierarchy level down to which objects are shown in the
generated index."
Unclear. Here should be an explanation and an example.
Or maybe that should be renamed, because it doesn't seem to do the same as 
Evaluate up to level in Type tab.
Anyway, Documentation is a proper mark for the bug and when it's updated, we
can discuss about name change.

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--- Comment #12 from Lee <92ma...@gmail.com> ---
The bug, and workaround are also applicable to Alphabetic indexes

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--- Comment #11 from Lee <92ma...@gmail.com> ---
Is there any chance this will be fixed?

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--- Comment #10 from Lee <92ma...@gmail.com> ---
Bug 89606 is a summation of several issues.  This was a specific issue. 

It is possible to generate a TOC where page numbers are reset at the chapter
level.  To accomplish generating a TOC in such a document is obscure. 

If my registration into the LibreOffice Wiki could get complete, I'd be willing
to write an explanation of how to accomplish this.  Unfortunately, I have been
unable to get the required confirmation email associated with setting up an ID
on the LibreOffice Wiki.

Once a technique for TOC with page numbers by chapter is explained somewhere in
the LibreOffice documentation, this issue could be marked resolved.

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--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Pretty sure this question was asked before. ToC/Index related tickets are
aggregated in bug 89606.


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--- Comment #8 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Lee from comment #7)
> Any idea how to get hold of the group that controls the LibreOffice Wiki or
> perhaps the user guide?  I'd be happy to create a write up on the technique
> to generate a TOC with numbering by Chapter.

http://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/join-community/

I am also on #libreoffice-doc IRC channel, when I am online. Olivier Hallot is
the documentation leader.

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--- Comment #7 from Lee <92ma...@gmail.com> ---
Any idea how to get hold of the group that controls the LibreOffice Wiki or
perhaps the user guide?  I'd be happy to create a write up on the technique to
generate a TOC with numbering by Chapter.

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Summary|TOC cannot be made to show  |Creating a ToC with page
   |chapter number on doc with  |numbering by chapter (see
   |page numbers by chapter |comment 4)
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