Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Petr, On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 12:16:30PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote: > BTW: Is it possible to easily copy test case from one version to the > other using the UI? Or is there some alternative of "git cherry-pick" > where you could apply changes to other branches? Yes, the in-test-case version selection will list all existed versions, if the current case does not belong to a version, click the version number will create a new case version instance AND switching to it :) > Anyway, I think that it looks reasonable now. Though, we need to hear > feedback from the QA community. Non-developers might have different > point of view. They are not that familiar git branches, ... Great to hear :) Thanks for the feedback! > Best Regards, > Petr -- Yifan Jiang Libreoffice / SuSE Contact: yifan - irc.freenode.net/libreoffice = http://www.libreoffice.org/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Yi Fan Jiang píše v Pá 07. 09. 2012 v 02:44 -0600: > Hi Petr, all, > > On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 12:26:48PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote: > > Yi Fan Jiang píše v Čt 06. 09. 2012 v 03:47 -0600: > > > >Yi Fan Jiang píše v Čt 06. 09. 2012 v 02:50 -0600: > > > >> 4. In the page, make sure the version of the case is switched > to > > > *0* > > > >> by: > > > >> > > > >> - Around the top right corner of the page, hover the mouse > > > >> on the version > > > >> "selection list box" right below the "Select environment" > > > >> - Click the version initiated with 0, in this case, it >> > >> should be > > > >> "0 creating a table in database and increment records" > > >> > > > >Would be possible to set "0" as the default version for editing? > > > >I am afraid that the current default setting is too error prone. > > > > > > It should be possible, I'll make a quick "fix" this week. > > > > Great. I keep my fingers crossed. > > Done, the page now only show version 0 cases: > > http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/cases/ Cool. > The following is some explanations: > By default the case management page filtering out only the *latest* > version. > So I changed the filter to always show "Version 0" instead of the > *latest* version as a solution. Yup. this makes sense. > Meanwhile switching among versions is still available by 2 ways: > > 1. click the Advance Filtering button and click "Libreoffice x.x" in > product version criteria field. Ah, the advanced filtering is powerful and nice. Though, I am afraid that it is a bit confusing. You select the version in advanced filtering in one dialog (list of test cases) and by drop-down box in the other (edit test case). A solution would be to remove the version selection from the advanced filtering and add the version selection drop-down list instead. IMHO, this might be more clear and more intuitive. Well, we might try the current state and improve it if needed. > It is noticeable for those cases particularly created for a version > X.Y while not existed in Version 0, only the way 1 is available. But I > doubt it will be a usual case :) If we show "0" by default, all test cases should be primary developed in this version. It is similar with the source development where everything is done primary in "master" branch. A test case for the version "0" is like a test case for "master". We could create(branch) the test cases fot 3.7 release when we branch sources for 3.7. Another possibility would be to ignore the version "0" and branch "3.7" from "3.6" test cases. The question is when to do it. Also this might cause confusion because it is different from the source development model. In each case, people need to be careful what version of test cases they edit. BTW: Is it possible to easily copy test case from one version to the other using the UI? Or is there some alternative of "git cherry-pick" where you could apply changes to other branches? Anyway, I think that it looks reasonable now. Though, we need to hear feedback from the QA community. Non-developers might have different point of view. They are not that familiar git branches, ... Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Petr, all, On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 12:26:48PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote: > Yi Fan Jiang píše v Čt 06. 09. 2012 v 03:47 -0600: > > >Yi Fan Jiang píše v Čt 06. 09. 2012 v 02:50 -0600: > > >> 4. In the page, make sure the version of the case is switched to > > *0* > > >> by: > > >> > > >> - Around the top right corner of the page, hover the mouse on > > the > > >> version > > >> "selection list box" right below the "Select environment" > > >> > > >> - Click the version initiated with 0, in this case, it should > > be > > >> "0 creating a table in database and increment records" > >> > > >Would be possible to set "0" as the default version for editing? > > >I am afraid that the current default setting is too error prone. > > > > It should be possible, I'll make a quick "fix" this week. > > Great. I keep my fingers crossed. Done, the page now only show version 0 cases: http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/cases/ The following is some explanations: I did some investigation today and found each case/version pair stores as a single data record in database, so navigating between versions depend on the URL containing a specific case/version id. For example, the following refers to the same case with different version: http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/caseversion/298/ http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/caseversion/330/ By default the case management page filtering out only the *latest* version of a case and gives a specific editing url for each. I have thought to make a *seemless* transition to show the *latest* version but given a *0* version edit link, but felt it might bring some confusing. So I changed the filter to always show "Version 0" instead of the *latest* version as a solution. Meanwhile switching among versions is still available by 2 ways: 1. click the Advance Filtering button and click "Libreoffice x.x" in product version criteria field. 2. click the pencil icon to edit a single case and switch the version inside. It is noticeable for those cases particularly created for a version X.Y while not existed in Version 0, only the way 1 is available. But I doubt it will be a usual case :) How do you think about that? Is this solution accepatble? Best wishes, Yifan -- Yifan Jiang Libreoffice / SuSE Contact: yifan - irc.freenode.net/libreoffice = http://www.libreoffice.org/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Yi Fan Jiang píše v Čt 06. 09. 2012 v 03:47 -0600: > >Yi Fan Jiang píše v Čt 06. 09. 2012 v 02:50 -0600: > >> 4. In the page, make sure the version of the case is switched to > *0* > >> by: > >> > >> - Around the top right corner of the page, hover the mouse on > the > >> version > >> "selection list box" right below the "Select environment" > >> > >> - Click the version initiated with 0, in this case, it should > be > >> "0 creating a table in database and increment records" >> > >Would be possible to set "0" as the default version for editing? > >I am afraid that the current default setting is too error prone. > > It should be possible, I'll make a quick "fix" this week. Great. I keep my fingers crossed. > >> 6. Click "save test case" button to save the translation work. > >> > >> Please noted the saved content will not apply to existed other > >> versions until > >> a new version which copies the test cases from version 0 is > created. > > > >Would be possible to synchronize the "3.6" test cases with the "0" > >version before we start a real testing with 3.6.3? > > It will not be that easy to make a generic code change, since this > will probably change internal gears of Moztrap. So one thing we could > do is to: > > 1. update the version 0 test cases > 2. remove the existed version 3.6 and recreate the version 3.6 so > that it > could copy updated test cases from version 0 > > It could be done just by a few more clicks, very simple :) Sounds perfectly fine for me. Another solution would be to export the "0" test cases and import them for "3.6" via the script. Well, your solutions looks easier :-) Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Petr, > Hi Yi Fan, >first, thanks a lot for pushing this forward. > >Yi Fan Jiang píše v Čt 06. 09. 2012 v 02:50 -0600: >> Hi Sophie and all, >> >> Sorry I did not mention that to translate a case, we need to update >> the version *0* of each test case so that we could reuse the >> translated case in future test case versions which usually will be >> copied from the version *0*. I will update the wiki page to notify >> that later. >> >> Before the wiki page updated, here is an example how to do it: >> >> 1. Get the test manager authentication from community > >I am a bit confused by this item. Do you mean that people need to send a >mail to you to get the Test Manager permissions? Yes, I meant the "Test Manager" role mentioned in: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Test_Cases_Contribution Sorry to bring the misunderstanding :) >> 4. In the page, make sure the version of the case is switched to *0* >> by: >> >> - Around the top right corner of the page, hover the mouse on the >> version >> "selection list box" right below the "Select environment" >> >> - Click the version initiated with 0, in this case, it should be >> "0 creating a table in database and increment records" > >Would be possible to set "0" as the default version for editing? >I am afraid that the current default setting is too error prone. It should be possible, I'll make a quick "fix" this week. >> 6. Click "save test case" button to save the translation work. >> >> Please noted the saved content will not apply to existed other >> versions until >> a new version which copies the test cases from version 0 is created. > >Would be possible to synchronize the "3.6" test cases with the "0" >version before we start a real testing with 3.6.3? It will not be that easy to make a generic code change, since this will probably change internal gears of Moztrap. So one thing we could do is to: 1. update the version 0 test cases 2. remove the existed version 3.6 and recreate the version 3.6 so that it could copy updated test cases from version 0 It could be done just by a few more clicks, very simple :) Best wishes, Yifan ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Yi Fan, first, thanks a lot for pushing this forward. Yi Fan Jiang píše v Čt 06. 09. 2012 v 02:50 -0600: > Hi Sophie and all, > > Sorry I did not mention that to translate a case, we need to update > the version *0* of each test case so that we could reuse the > translated case in future test case versions which usually will be > copied from the version *0*. I will update the wiki page to notify > that later. > > Before the wiki page updated, here is an example how to do it: > > 1. Get the test manager authentication from community I am a bit confused by this item. Do you mean that people need to send a mail to you to get the Test Manager permissions? > 4. In the page, make sure the version of the case is switched to *0* > by: > > - Around the top right corner of the page, hover the mouse on the > version > "selection list box" right below the "Select environment" > > - Click the version initiated with 0, in this case, it should be > "0 creating a table in database and increment records" Would be possible to set "0" as the default version for editing? I am afraid that the current default setting is too error prone. > 6. Click "save test case" button to save the translation work. > > Please noted the saved content will not apply to existed other > versions until > a new version which copies the test cases from version 0 is created. Would be possible to synchronize the "3.6" test cases with the "0" version before we start a real testing with 3.6.3? I am happy to see the progress. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Sophie and all, Sorry I did not mention that to translate a case, we need to update the version *0* of each test case so that we could reuse the translated case in future test case versions which usually will be copied from the version *0*. I will update the wiki page to notify that later. Before the wiki page updated, here is an example how to do it: 1. Get the test manager authentication from community 2. Find a test case via Manage->Cases, for example: http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/case/63/ 3. Click the pencil icon which located as the first icon in the ''Name[Tags]'' column. 4. In the page, make sure the version of the case is switched to *0* by: - Around the top right corner of the page, hover the mouse on the version "selection list box" right below the "Select environment" - Click the version initiated with 0, in this case, it should be "0 creating a table in database and increment records" 5. Add the translated case in the appropriate "instruction" and "expected" rows, following the format already given like: >> instruction In Some Language = * instruction 1 * instruction 2 * instruction 3 >> expected In Some Language = 1. expected ... 2. expected ... 3. expected ... 6. Click "save test case" button to save the translation work. Please noted the saved content will not apply to existed other versions until a new version which copies the test cases from version 0 is created. Best wishes, Yifan On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 02:12:53AM -0600, Yi Fan Jiang wrote: > Hi Sophie, > > On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 09:01:07AM +0200, Sophie Gautier wrote: > > Hi Yifan, > > On 04/09/2012 04:35, Yifan Jiang wrote: > > >Hi Sophie, Petr, all, > > > > > >Thanks for the discussion and sorry for the late response that I was busy > > >of > > >other works these days :( > > no problem :) > > > > > >Visually the second one is also my most favorite, so let's start here. > > > > > >In this week, I will arrange time to update the test cases and make their > > >format consistent with the prototype 2. > > > > > > http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/case/99/ > > > I have done this by running a simple script and the experimental, you can see > significant changes in test cases content such as: > > http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/case/63/ > > Except for the existing English test cases, other languages are outlined. It > might be helpful for the translator people to put their works :) > > > >@Sophie, As for the 3.6.3 testing, do you have an estimation when would it > > >be > > >happening? Currently there are only English cases in the database migrated > > >from Litmus. We will still need some time to migrate other language > > >versions > > >before arranging tests. Looking back to Litmus, there are 4 languages > > >version > > >of test cases: en/de/fr/pt-Br, if necessary we could also create Ja section > > >awaiting for input. > > > > It will be on week 41, but it's more because I need deadlines than a > > really fixed date ;) How do you migrate the tests, would I be able > > to give an hand or is by using some scripts or some magic ? As for > > the languages, I'll ask on the list for motivated teams and will > > tell you. > > The content migration from Litmus would need manual copy and paste :) Do you > have some resources to do that? Next week, I may try to ask an intern in SUSE > trying if she could offer help. > > ___ > List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list > Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org > Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- Yifan Jiang Libreoffice / SuSE Contact: yifan - irc.freenode.net/libreoffice = http://www.libreoffice.org/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Sophie, On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 09:01:07AM +0200, Sophie Gautier wrote: > Hi Yifan, > On 04/09/2012 04:35, Yifan Jiang wrote: > >Hi Sophie, Petr, all, > > > >Thanks for the discussion and sorry for the late response that I was busy of > >other works these days :( > no problem :) > > > >Visually the second one is also my most favorite, so let's start here. > > > >In this week, I will arrange time to update the test cases and make their > >format consistent with the prototype 2. > > > > http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/case/99/ > I have done this by running a simple script and the experimental, you can see significant changes in test cases content such as: http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/case/63/ Except for the existing English test cases, other languages are outlined. It might be helpful for the translator people to put their works :) > >@Sophie, As for the 3.6.3 testing, do you have an estimation when would it be > >happening? Currently there are only English cases in the database migrated > >from Litmus. We will still need some time to migrate other language versions > >before arranging tests. Looking back to Litmus, there are 4 languages version > >of test cases: en/de/fr/pt-Br, if necessary we could also create Ja section > >awaiting for input. > > It will be on week 41, but it's more because I need deadlines than a > really fixed date ;) How do you migrate the tests, would I be able > to give an hand or is by using some scripts or some magic ? As for > the languages, I'll ask on the list for motivated teams and will > tell you. The content migration from Litmus would need manual copy and paste :) Do you have some resources to do that? Next week, I may try to ask an intern in SUSE trying if she could offer help. -- Yifan Jiang Libreoffice / SuSE Contact: yifan - irc.freenode.net/libreoffice = http://www.libreoffice.org/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Yifan, On 04/09/2012 04:35, Yifan Jiang wrote: Hi Sophie, Petr, all, Thanks for the discussion and sorry for the late response that I was busy of other works these days :( no problem :) Visually the second one is also my most favorite, so let's start here. In this week, I will arrange time to update the test cases and make their format consistent with the prototype 2. http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/case/99/ ok, thanks a lot. @Sophie, As for the 3.6.3 testing, do you have an estimation when would it be happening? Currently there are only English cases in the database migrated from Litmus. We will still need some time to migrate other language versions before arranging tests. Looking back to Litmus, there are 4 languages version of test cases: en/de/fr/pt-Br, if necessary we could also create Ja section awaiting for input. It will be on week 41, but it's more because I need deadlines than a really fixed date ;) How do you migrate the tests, would I be able to give an hand or is by using some scripts or some magic ? As for the languages, I'll ask on the list for motivated teams and will tell you. As for the l10n related hacking, they need large scope of changes in both frontend and backend. I would plan at least 1 dev month to do all the stuff including: Moztrap UI l10n implementing, test case l10n hacking and the relevant tests before they are good enough to be online. ok, thanks for this estimation, that will help me in my research for funding. Kind regards Sophie ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Sophie, Petr, all, Thanks for the discussion and sorry for the late response that I was busy of other works these days :( Visually the second one is also my most favorite, so let's start here. In this week, I will arrange time to update the test cases and make their format consistent with the prototype 2. http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/case/99/ @Sophie, As for the 3.6.3 testing, do you have an estimation when would it be happening? Currently there are only English cases in the database migrated from Litmus. We will still need some time to migrate other language versions before arranging tests. Looking back to Litmus, there are 4 languages version of test cases: en/de/fr/pt-Br, if necessary we could also create Ja section awaiting for input. As for the l10n related hacking, they need large scope of changes in both frontend and backend. I would plan at least 1 dev month to do all the stuff including: Moztrap UI l10n implementing, test case l10n hacking and the relevant tests before they are good enough to be online. Best wishes, Yifan On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 07:57:22PM +0200, Sophie Gautier wrote: > Hi Petr, all, > On 03/09/2012 17:34, Petr Mladek wrote: > [...] > >>So the feedback from our team is the 2nd presentation that is preferred > >>over the others, it seems to be more readable for all of them. > >>May be we can go for the first presentation until we get more languages > >>but do not forget about another solution where the steps and the > >>expected results are grouped for the same language. > > > >Sophie, thanks a lot for getting the feedback. > > > >When I think about it, also the 2nd approach can be parsed by a script. > >It is more complicated, probably more error prone but possible. Thus it > >can be moved into to really localized framework almost automatically as > >well. > > > >So, the second approach is probably the best temporary solution. > > Thanks for your investigation :) For information, I will try to > organize a testing session on Moztrap for the 3.6.3 version with the > FR project. May be we can try to organize a full session with very > few languages, like may be DE, JA, FR at the same time? > Also do you have an idea of the time needed (day per man dev) and > the cost to make Moztrap fully localized (UI + content) ? > > Kind regards > Sophie -- Yifan Jiang Libreoffice / SuSE Contact: yifan - irc.freenode.net/libreoffice = http://www.libreoffice.org/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Petr, all, On 03/09/2012 17:34, Petr Mladek wrote: [...] So the feedback from our team is the 2nd presentation that is preferred over the others, it seems to be more readable for all of them. May be we can go for the first presentation until we get more languages but do not forget about another solution where the steps and the expected results are grouped for the same language. Sophie, thanks a lot for getting the feedback. When I think about it, also the 2nd approach can be parsed by a script. It is more complicated, probably more error prone but possible. Thus it can be moved into to really localized framework almost automatically as well. So, the second approach is probably the best temporary solution. Thanks for your investigation :) For information, I will try to organize a testing session on Moztrap for the 3.6.3 version with the FR project. May be we can try to organize a full session with very few languages, like may be DE, JA, FR at the same time? Also do you have an idea of the time needed (day per man dev) and the cost to make Moztrap fully localized (UI + content) ? Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier Tel:+33683901545 Membership & Certification Committee Member - Co-founder The Document Foundation ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Sophie Gautier píše v Čt 30. 08. 2012 v 21:48 +0200: > Hi Petr, Yi Fan, all, > On 23/08/2012 11:59, Petr Mladek wrote: > > Yi Fan Jiang píše v St 22. 08. 2012 v 21:08 -0600: > >> we will need to have a temporary workaround to *adapt* translation > >> version of test cases existed in Moztrap. > >> > >> Based on the capacity of current Moztrap, we currently have 3 > >> prototypes of how they can be presented. I populated all these into > >> three actual test cases: > >> > >> http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/runtests/run/29/env/633/ > > > > I prefer the first version. It best follows the current Moztrap design. > > The step and expected result are close to each other and better > > visualized. Also it should be easier to convert this to the real > > localized framework once we have it. > > > > The second solution is more compact but the step and the result is > > connected by the strange "vpX" identifiers. In addition, it would be > > more complicated to keep all localizations in sync. > > > > The third variant looks to confusing to me :-) > > So the feedback from our team is the 2nd presentation that is preferred > over the others, it seems to be more readable for all of them. > May be we can go for the first presentation until we get more languages > but do not forget about another solution where the steps and the > expected results are grouped for the same language. Sophie, thanks a lot for getting the feedback. When I think about it, also the 2nd approach can be parsed by a script. It is more complicated, probably more error prone but possible. Thus it can be moved into to really localized framework almost automatically as well. So, the second approach is probably the best temporary solution. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Petr, Yi Fan, all, On 23/08/2012 11:59, Petr Mladek wrote: Yi Fan Jiang píše v St 22. 08. 2012 v 21:08 -0600: we will need to have a temporary workaround to *adapt* translation version of test cases existed in Moztrap. Based on the capacity of current Moztrap, we currently have 3 prototypes of how they can be presented. I populated all these into three actual test cases: http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/runtests/run/29/env/633/ I prefer the first version. It best follows the current Moztrap design. The step and expected result are close to each other and better visualized. Also it should be easier to convert this to the real localized framework once we have it. The second solution is more compact but the step and the result is connected by the strange "vpX" identifiers. In addition, it would be more complicated to keep all localizations in sync. The third variant looks to confusing to me :-) So the feedback from our team is the 2nd presentation that is preferred over the others, it seems to be more readable for all of them. May be we can go for the first presentation until we get more languages but do not forget about another solution where the steps and the expected results are grouped for the same language. Kind regards Sophie ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Yi Fan, On 27/08/2012 07:19, Yi Fan Jiang wrote: Hi Sophie, Thanks for following this :) I am looking forward to your further input. > I'll test more in depth Moztrap tomorrow. For information, I was > unable to login using Chrome but it was ok with Firefox. How does it look like when failing to login with Chrome? There is an issue related with "CSRF veirication" need to follow in current our Moztrap instance. It happens in both Chrome and Firefox randomly, though *refreshing* times of the page will get through the annoying message. Please see: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Moztrap/Moztrap_User_Guide#Registration_and_Login Did you meet the similar problem or something else? This was exactly the problem, and even refreshing didn't work on Chrome, I was able to register, but that's all. Firefox was ok, showing the error once, but after it was ok. BTW. I have added you in the test manager group so that you can play with more features :) Thanks a lot. I've have a computer crash that prevent me for doing anything else than trying to recover everything, but now it's ok and I will have time to go further during tomorrow and over the week-end. Again thanks a lot for working on this and sorry for the delay bring to all this from my side. Kind regards Sophie ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Sophie, Thanks for following this :) I am looking forward to your further input. > I'll test more in depth Moztrap tomorrow. For information, I was > unable to login using Chrome but it was ok with Firefox. How does it look like when failing to login with Chrome? There is an issue related with "CSRF veirication" need to follow in current our Moztrap instance. It happens in both Chrome and Firefox randomly, though *refreshing* times of the page will get through the annoying message. Please see: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Moztrap/Moztrap_User_Guide#Registration_and_Login Did you meet the similar problem or something else? BTW. I have added you in the test manager group so that you can play with more features :) Best wishes, Yifan On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 07:37:17PM +0200, Sophie Gautier wrote: > Hi Yifan, all, > On 23/08/2012 11:59, Petr Mladek wrote: > >Yi Fan Jiang píše v St 22. 08. 2012 v 21:08 -0600: > >>we will need to have a temporary workaround to *adapt* translation > >>version of test cases existed in Moztrap. > >> > >>Based on the capacity of current Moztrap, we currently have 3 > >>prototypes of how they can be presented. I populated all these into > >>three actual test cases: > >> > >>http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/runtests/run/29/env/633/ > > First, thanks a lot for working on this. Just for your information, > I'm currently searching for funds to hack Moztrap localization. I'll > keep you update on my progress here. > > > >I prefer the first version. It best follows the current Moztrap design. > >The step and expected result are close to each other and better > >visualized. Also it should be easier to convert this to the real > >localized framework once we have it. > > > >The second solution is more compact but the step and the result is > >connected by the strange "vpX" identifiers. In addition, it would be > >more complicated to keep all localizations in sync. > > > >The third variant looks to confusing to me :-) > > Agreed that the last solution is really confusing. I think that the > second would be the easier one or the most comfortable for language > teams (I've noticed though that it's not the best solution for the > test migration in the future). However, not to be alone to give my > opinion, I've asked the FR project some feedback on the different > presentations. I'll keep you update also on this. > I'll test more in depth Moztrap tomorrow. For information, I was > unable to login using Chrome but it was ok with Firefox. > > Kind regards > Sophie > ___ > List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list > Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org > Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- Yifan Jiang Libreoffice / SuSE Contact: yifan - irc.freenode.net/libreoffice = http://www.libreoffice.org/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Hi Yifan, all, On 23/08/2012 11:59, Petr Mladek wrote: Yi Fan Jiang píše v St 22. 08. 2012 v 21:08 -0600: we will need to have a temporary workaround to *adapt* translation version of test cases existed in Moztrap. Based on the capacity of current Moztrap, we currently have 3 prototypes of how they can be presented. I populated all these into three actual test cases: http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/runtests/run/29/env/633/ First, thanks a lot for working on this. Just for your information, I'm currently searching for funds to hack Moztrap localization. I'll keep you update on my progress here. I prefer the first version. It best follows the current Moztrap design. The step and expected result are close to each other and better visualized. Also it should be easier to convert this to the real localized framework once we have it. The second solution is more compact but the step and the result is connected by the strange "vpX" identifiers. In addition, it would be more complicated to keep all localizations in sync. The third variant looks to confusing to me :-) Agreed that the last solution is really confusing. I think that the second would be the easier one or the most comfortable for language teams (I've noticed though that it's not the best solution for the test migration in the future). However, not to be alone to give my opinion, I've asked the FR project some feedback on the different presentations. I'll keep you update also on this. I'll test more in depth Moztrap tomorrow. For information, I was unable to login using Chrome but it was ok with Firefox. Kind regards Sophie ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regression test (Moztrap) test case localization temporary solution.
Yi Fan Jiang píše v St 22. 08. 2012 v 21:08 -0600: > we will need to have a temporary workaround to *adapt* translation > version of test cases existed in Moztrap. > > Based on the capacity of current Moztrap, we currently have 3 > prototypes of how they can be presented. I populated all these into > three actual test cases: > > http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/runtests/run/29/env/633/ I prefer the first version. It best follows the current Moztrap design. The step and expected result are close to each other and better visualized. Also it should be easier to convert this to the real localized framework once we have it. The second solution is more compact but the step and the result is connected by the strange "vpX" identifiers. In addition, it would be more complicated to keep all localizations in sync. The third variant looks to confusing to me :-) BTW: I would use "STEP" instead if "STEPS" in the first variant. The meaning is: 1st step >> expected result 2nd step >> expected result 3rd step >> expected result ... Thanks a lot for working on this. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
