Re: Matrix communication protocol.
My only issues is not the two that you mention. We have also: 1. No coherent Standard so everybody can have the same features. 2. Not a lot of Clients. 3. Not a lot of Clients that look decent. 4. No communities. 5. No threading. 6. No Voice rooms like Discord. These are just some of the problems that I have. As I explained above Matrix is for groups mostly. And it is much more welcoming to newcomers than IRC or XMPP. or even Mailing lists for that matter. Well FSF has Wire as a high priority project. WHich is a straight for Profit Company unlike Matrix. Also I didn't know FSF was against companies. Their latest article is that being FLOSS doesn't mean no Companies. [1]https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Collection:High_Priority_Projects But you can already get involved in Matrix and developing the Spec. Isn't that what you mean? Well the IRC that we currently using has not encryption. So what exactly are comparing here? MSavoritias On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:43, Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss wrote: Em 31/07/2020 16:20, Adrien Bourmault (neox on freenode) escreveu: Matrix is a badly designed protocol (especially the s2s part) and is Interesting, I wonder if there are references to that. The XSF point of view is different from the Matrix/Vector one : the XSF is a non profit foundation, in the tracks of IETF. They made a protocol in the hope that it will be useful and that's it. You can't say the same for Vector. Good point. On a not so similar subject, this seems to align with the arguments presented by Software Freedom Conservancy (SFConservancy) in regards to copyleft enforcement (almost all of their talks, including the recorded ones, present this "who best enforces copyleft?" paradigm, and all results in either individual copyright holders or these signing their contributions to one of FSF-and-sisters, SFConservancy or Software Freedom Law Center, and avoiding non-disclosure agreements, trade secrets and contributor license agreements). of both Conversations and ChatSecure are always in touch, and are XSF members. There are many forks of both, and it provides additionnal Indeed, in open standards, people and projects being members of the standards committees/workgroups is a very important thing, specially if many are in favor of free/libre software or if the group itself has that commitment or is a non-profit, preferably a charity. On mobile, there is only one functionnal Matrix client : Element. And it advocates for non free software, especially Google one. The references in my previous replies to this topic also agree with you. :) Have you ever read RMS ? Or listen to him ? Everyone should care about privacy, everyone should encrypt his communications. XMPP's modern encryption (known as OMEMO) is way more secure than Olm/Megolm (because it seems Vector thought that forward secrecy was an anti-feature lol). That is scary indeed. beautiful. Free software is about freedom, not popularity And with this I contribute referencing to [1]. # References [1]: [2]https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html . -- * Ativista do software livre * [3]https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno * Membro dos grupos avaliadores de * Software (Free Software Directory) * Distribuies de sistemas (FreedSoftware) * Sites (Free JavaScript Action Team) * No sou advogado e no fomento os no livres * Sempre veja o spam/lixo eletrnico do teu e-mail * Ou coloque todos os recebidos na caixa de entrada * Sempre assino e-mails com OpenPGP * Chave pblica: vide endereo anterior * Qualquer outro pode ser fraude * Se no tens OpenPGP, ignore o anexo "signature.asc" * Ao enviar anexos * Docs., planilhas e apresentaes: use OpenDocument * Outros tipos: vide endereo anterior * Use protocolos de comunicao federadas * Vide endereo anterior * Mensagens secretas somente via * XMPP com OMEMO * E-mail criptografado e assinado com OpenPGP ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [4]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [5]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss References 1. https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Collection:High_Priority_Projects 2. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html 3. https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno 4. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 5. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Matrix communication protocol.
Like what features are you missing in other clients? What do you mean Proprietary Software? Fluffy Chat is AGPL-3. Did you even search the clients I mentioned? Element is Apache-2. This is all Free Software. The encryption not being as good in Matrix it is known. And they are looking to upgrade it. See my previous message. But aside from that I see Matrix more as a IRC and Discord and Slack alternative. For groups. And what does it mean that Synapse is the most used now? Coversation is the most used Android Client. Does that mean that XMPP is not an open protocol and is only for Conversations? If you want to use Element they are open to changing the captca: [1]https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/3606 If you don't want to like me there is fluffy chat which AGPL-3 and not Catpca. If you are talking about Desktop there are 6 clients to use one of them from Gnome. Plus even three terminal ones and one Emacs client. I have mentioned before the features: First a lot of clients which XMPP lacks. Second ease of use which XMPP lacks. Third stickers, threads, communities and other modern features that people expect for groups from Discord and the likes. Or Voice rooms even. Keep in mind that all of these and more are planned for Matrix. If you go through their github issues. MSavoritias On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 09:08, Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode) wrote: Le 3 aot 2020 23:45:11 GMT+02:00, Msavoritias <[2]marinus.savorit...@disroot.org> a crit : Okay First of all I am going to say once more that I am not talking about Riot, Element or anything like that. I am talking about the protocol. Please read my messages. But you're telling us about XMPP on mobile. Have you a functionnal alternative to Conversations on Android that has the same features ? Third what I know is that Olm is based on Signal encryption. If you say that Singnal encryption is not that good then I am afraid our conversation ends here because it is clear you don't know what you are talking about. That is not to say OMEMO is not good. OMEMO is based on Signal encryption, known as Axolotl, and is audited by experts (see [3]https://conversations.im/omemo/). Then Olm and Megolm appeared, and Megolm is the most used in order to allow people to retrieve messages when changing their devices (so no forward secrecy). Also Element is functional. Like Conversations. Just like other clients like Fluffy Chat and Dillo. Proprietary software is antifeature. Also I am not talking about Synapse. There are other servers to choose from. And the higher usage comes at the cost of features which XMPP lacks. Personally I find that acceptable. But Synapse is the most used. What do you mean about advocating Google? The youtube widget? Recatpcha, is a best example. This is not about beauty or anything like that. It is about functionality and modern features that I have first hand experienced users caring about. Which features are you talking about ??? MSavoritias On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 01:01, Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode) <[4]n...@os-k.eu> wrote: Matrix is a badly designed protocol (especially the s2s part) and is not more modern than XMPP. In computer science, be young is not always a quality for a protocol, and XMPP has proven many times it was evolutive and reliable. The XSF point of view is different from the Matrix/Vector one : the XSF is a non profit foundation, in the tracks of IETF. They made a protocol in the hope that it will be useful and that's it. You can't say the same for Vector. We shouldn't have that discussion since the company behind the Matrix protocol advocates for non free software, and open source when they want to be popular. If Conversations are the benchmark for how much behind XMPP is in > capabilities that a modern user wants, then I don't know if it can be > overcomed. I can't understand what do you mean. Conversations is developed by a very small team, practically one person, and you conclude that this app that evolves permanently has already shown all that could be shown ? Excuse me, but at this time there is no client for Matrix as functional as Conversations (since non free software usage or advocacy is for me an anti-feature worst than "lack of stickers") and XMPP server softwares like Ejabberd or Prosody are way more reliable and powerful than Synapse (which is subject to overconsumption I observed). It is clear that you like Matrix very well, but your arguments are wrong and subjective. In mobile at least there doesn't seem to be enough development outside > of Conversations. I can't agree. ChatSecure (for iOS) is a really active project and devs of both
Re: Matrix communication protocol.
How is Matri not Free Software though? Apache-2 is Free Software by the FSF. Also this review fails to mention how Matrix has been growing this year expotentially. [1]https://www.hello-matrix.net/public_servers.php There are already a lot of servers and growing. Gnome and purism and Kde have their own instances outside of this too. Also here is the list of at least 5 servers alternative to synapse. [2]https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now Plus Matrix is working on p2p. So you won't need a server. [3]https://matrix.org/blog/posts#dept-of-p2p- Also the encryption has been through security audits: [4]https://matrix.org/blog/2016/11/21/matrixs-olm-end-to-end-encryption -security-assessment-released-and-implemented-cross-platform-on-riot-at -last And they want to upgrade it: [5]https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/2458 I'm not arguing that it is better than Omemo. But it is good encryption with future upgrades. I really don't get about Matrix not being Free Software though. Gnu Specifically says Apache 2 is Free Software. [6]https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apache2 If you mean the integrations somehow, that are optional then I ahve some news for you about Firefox. MSavoritias < /div> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 20:07, Jean Louis wrote: Mostly I am in agreement with Adrien. There is this review that I found, that you all may find it interesting: [7]https://wiki.404.city/en/XMPP_vs_Matrix For me XMPP does so many things, we create business with XMPP, we have all personnel within XMPP coordination, and we use our own servers and domains, and XMPP work well in worst network conditions as by the Bwindi Impenetrable Forest in Uganda. Most important it is free software in terms as in freedom, we are free to distribute it, and we gain good communication, secure private network line without spying from third unknown parties. Jean ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [8]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [9]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss References 1. https://www.hello-matrix.net/public_servers.php 2. https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now 3. https://matrix.org/blog/posts#dept-of-p2p- 4. https://matrix.org/blog/2016/11/21/matrixs-olm-end-to-end-encryption-security-assessment-released-and-implemented-cross-platform-on-riot-at-last 5. https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/2458 6. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apache2 7. https://wiki.404.city/en/XMPP_vs_Matrix 8. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 9. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Recommendations of LMS
I enjoyed using Canvas at school. Using a free version of that, I would recommend to you. -- Caleb Herbert KE0VVT (816) 892-9669 https://bluehome.net/csh ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Sharing your free software / quarantine success story
Em 17/04/2020 12:33, ? escreveu: > My experience with this so far is that technology alone does not appear > to be the answer; there are human elements and network effects that are > hard to break. Of course, if anybody has any suggestions to this effect, > then I'll be happy to listen. While I may not have a big success or failure story, I also agree with you on the issue of network effect. In [1] there are references which can also interest other people in regards to this, although the page text is more tailored in favor of XMPP, not explicitly related to free/libre software. > 1. Individuals would understandably prefer to use the "company-approved" > tool. Even I prefer this given the circumstances because if I end up > getting hacked, the fact that I used the company-approved tool is like a > free ticket to zero responsibility. Or at least, it's less worse than > getting hacked using your own personal communication channels. If they gave you such an answer, then one other question is needed: With which department your attempts were directed to? If it was the one responsible for all decisions in the organization, then I do agree that they are either misinformed or afraid of something. However, if you instead attempted to convince people from departments bellow the decision-making one, then the observations you made are likely to repeat, specially in cases related to work hours. This is because when people commit to the role of employees, they tend to express submission to someone else, the employer. So, during work hours the entity they represent is no longer their own, but the employer's. Of course they can diverge from the orders of their superior but in some countries this is a possible reason for justified dismissal. Cleaning a stair from bottom to top tends to be difficult, the best course of action would be participating in the meetings related to the decision-making department and find a way to both have a time to speak there and present the ideas of free/libre software movement the best way you can. During the presentation, if you don't have/can't find an answer to "what software to use as replacement for X?" or "does feature Y exist?", look no further, emphasize the importance of the freedoms of the software for the organization, be it hiring other people to host/develop/improve a replacement or making the organization doing so). What can be drawn from the paragraph above is that free/libre software doesn't necessarily mean "do/host it yourself". With a good contract you have a chance to both foster free/libre software and the local economy. The details of *where* things will be hosted is outside the scope of this message. In terms of what wording and how to evaluate if a contract is being respected, only in regards to the freedom of the software, I think Software Freedom Conservancy, Software Freedom Law Center and perhaps FSF and it's sister organizations might be able to help. The initiative to contact them must of course come from the organization. Departing from the employment scenario, there is a third possible cause for the observations you made, that is when a company hires a person either as autonomous worker or as a freelancer. In this case the worker seems to have lost an opportunity to demand better work conditions *before* signing the contract. This is because for countries which accept these work regimes, the worker is not an employee and can set demands independently from the organization's policies. # References [1]: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/XMPP . -- * Ativista do software livre * https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno * Membro dos grupos avaliadores de * Software (Free Software Directory) * Distribuições de sistemas (FreedSoftware) * Sites (Free JavaScript Action Team) * Não sou advogado e não fomento os não livres * Sempre veja o spam/lixo eletrônico do teu e-mail * Ou coloque todos os recebidos na caixa de entrada * Sempre assino e-mails com OpenPGP * Chave pública: vide endereço anterior * Qualquer outro pode ser fraude * Se não tens OpenPGP, ignore o anexo "signature.asc" * Ao enviar anexos * Docs., planilhas e apresentações: use OpenDocument * Outros tipos: vide endereço anterior * Use protocolos de comunicação federadas * Vide endereço anterior * Mensagens secretas somente via * XMPP com OMEMO * E-mail criptografado e assinado com OpenPGP signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Sharing your free software / quarantine success story
[ apologies for the super slow reply; I'm several thousand messages backlogged and am slowly catching up wit them all ] Caleb Herbert writes: > On 4/22/20 11:40 AM, Amin Bandali wrote: >> I have been self-hosting a few pieces of software for myself and my >> family for a few years now, including a small mail server, and a >> Nextcloud instance for file-sharing, calendar, notes, and video calls. >> We've been happily able to continue using these free software solutions >> to stay connected with each other and others in these tough and trying >> times. > > (display "/etc/config.scm") Unfortunately it was not a GNU Guix System installation. The base system was a Debian Buster installation (without the `non-free' and `contrib' repos), and everything set up on top of it, with fairly standard setups, following the installation instructions of those pieces of software. I'd be happy to discuss more off-list if you'd like to. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Matrix communication protocol.
Thanks for this link, this is clear ! Le 3 août 2020 19:07:34 GMT+02:00, Jean Louis a écrit : Mostly I am in agreement with Adrien. There is this review that I found, that you all may find it interesting: [1]https://wiki.404.city/en/XMPP_vs_Matrix For me XMPP does so many things, we create business with XMPP, we have all personnel within XMPP coordination, and we use our own servers and domains, and XMPP work well in worst network conditions as by the Bwindi Impenetrable Forest in Uganda. Most important it is free software in terms as in freedom, we are free to distribute it, and we gain good communication, secure private network line without spying from third unknown parties. Jean References 1. https://wiki.404.city/en/XMPP_vs_Matrix ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Matrix communication protocol.
Le 3 août 2020 23:45:11 GMT+02:00, Msavoritias a écrit : >Okay First of all I am going to say once more that I am not talking >about Riot, Element or anything like that. I am talking about the >protocol. >Please read my messages. But you're telling us about XMPP on mobile. Have you a functionnal alternative to Conversations on Android that has the same features ? >Third what I know is that Olm is based on Signal encryption. If you >say that Singnal encryption is not that good then I am afraid our >conversation ends here because it is clear you don't know what you are >talking about. That is not to say OMEMO is not good. OMEMO is based on Signal encryption, known as Axolotl, and is audited by experts (see https://conversations.im/omemo/). Then Olm and Megolm appeared, and Megolm is the most used in order to allow people to retrieve messages when changing their devices (so no forward secrecy). > >Also Element is functional. Like Conversations. Just like other clients >like Fluffy Chat and Dillo. Proprietary software is antifeature. >Also I am not talking about Synapse. There are other servers to choose >from. And the higher usage comes at the cost of features which XMPP >lacks. Personally I find that acceptable. But Synapse is the most used. > >What do you mean about advocating Google? The youtube widget? Recatpcha, is a best example. >This is not about beauty or anything like that. It is about >functionality and modern features that I have first hand experienced >users caring about. Which features are you talking about ??? >MSavoritias > >On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 01:01, Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode) > wrote: >> Matrix is a badly designed protocol (especially the s2s part) and is >> not more modern than XMPP. In computer science, be young is not >> always a quality for a protocol, and XMPP has proven many times it >> was evolutive and reliable. >> >> The XSF point of view is different from the Matrix/Vector one : the >> XSF is a non profit foundation, in the tracks of IETF. They made a >> protocol in the hope that it will be useful and that's it. You can't >> say the same for Vector. >> >> We shouldn't have that discussion since the company behind the Matrix >> protocol advocates for non free software, and open source when they >> want to be popular. >> >>> If Conversations are the benchmark for how much behind XMPP is in > >>> capabilities that a modern user wants, then I don't know if it can >>> be > overcomed. >> >> I can't understand what do you mean. Conversations is developed by a >> very small team, practically one person, and you conclude that this >> app that evolves permanently has already shown all that could be >> shown ? Excuse me, but at this time there is no client for Matrix as >> functional as Conversations (since non free software usage or >> advocacy is for me an anti-feature worst than "lack of stickers") and >> XMPP server softwares like Ejabberd or Prosody are way more reliable >> and powerful than Synapse (which is subject to overconsumption I >> observed). >> >> It is clear that you like Matrix very well, but your arguments are >> wrong and subjective. >> >>> In mobile at least there doesn't seem to be enough development >>> outside > of Conversations. >> >> I can't agree. ChatSecure (for iOS) is a really active project and >> devs of both Conversations and ChatSecure are always in touch, and >> are XSF members. There are many forks of both, and it provides >> additionnal choices for people. >> >> On mobile, there is only one functionnal Matrix client : Element. And >> it advocates for non free software, especially Google one. >> >>> I know it is pretty popular with privacy folks though. So maybe it >>> finds some use there. >> >> Have you ever read RMS ? Or listen to him ? Everyone should care >> about privacy, everyone should encrypt his communications. XMPP's >> modern encryption (known as OMEMO) is way more secure than Olm/Megolm >> (because it seems Vector thought that forward secrecy was an >> anti-feature lol). >> >> Do you think the FSF should advocate for that? With all the problems >> that Vector has, it would be a treason for people who trust the FSF. >> >> I can understand you like Element because it has stickers and it is >> beautiful. This is the same with other software that are unethical >> but beautiful. Free software is about freedom, not popularity >> >> Librement, >> >> Le 1 août 2020 19:34:56 GMT+02:00, Denver Gingerich >> mailto:den...@ossguy.com>> a écrit : >>> On Sat, Aug 01, 2020 at 07:25:15PM +0200, Msavoritias wrote: The second point I was trying to raise is that XMPP doesn't have good clients for Mobile, >>> >>> You mention this repeatedly without explaining why Conversations has >>> "bad design". Most people I know love the design of Conversations, >>> so I have trouble seeing why Conversations is holding back XMPP in >>> some way. >>>
Re: Matrix communication protocol.
Mostly I am in agreement with Adrien. There is this review that I found, that you all may find it interesting: https://wiki.404.city/en/XMPP_vs_Matrix For me XMPP does so many things, we create business with XMPP, we have all personnel within XMPP coordination, and we use our own servers and domains, and XMPP work well in worst network conditions as by the Bwindi Impenetrable Forest in Uganda. Most important it is free software in terms as in freedom, we are free to distribute it, and we gain good communication, secure private network line without spying from third unknown parties. Jean ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Recommendations of LMS
Hi everyone, I'm still unsure about the topics of this list. I hope my question is valid. I'm a volunteer for a community process in a city of Colombia. We're promoting art, culture, technology and science. We've got some donated old computers and started to install them with Trisquel. That was pre-covid. Now, our activities are virtual and we're trying to use libre software as much as possible (Jitsi Meet for our meetings, BigBlueButton for our educational activities, a mailing list with sympa, Nextcloud for filesharing, and so on). We have teachers (volunteers as me) for guitar, dance, theather, a science club, and I proposed them we could use a learning management system like Moodle or Canvas. They are creating stuff like videos, images, etc. and I thought it would be a good idea to use a LMS for structure of a course. So, my question is: what LMS that respects freedom would you recommend?. I've worked in the past with Moodle and installed it for some schools and universities. I've seen Canvas LMS is very interesting too. Any recommendation?, or maybe, any trouble with these mentioned options?. Thanks in advance. And sorry for my english. As I mentioned, I'm a native spanish speaker. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Matrix communication protocol.
Em 31/07/2020 16:20, Adrien Bourmault (neox on freenode) escreveu: >Matrix is a badly designed protocol (especially the s2s part) and is Interesting, I wonder if there are references to that. >The XSF point of view is different from the Matrix/Vector one : the XSF >is a non profit foundation, in the tracks of IETF. They made a protocol >in the hope that it will be useful and that's it. You can't say the >same for Vector. Good point. On a not so similar subject, this seems to align with the arguments presented by Software Freedom Conservancy (SFConservancy) in regards to copyleft enforcement (almost all of their talks, including the recorded ones, present this "who best enforces copyleft?" paradigm, and all results in either individual copyright holders or these signing their contributions to one of FSF-and-sisters, SFConservancy or Software Freedom Law Center, and avoiding non-disclosure agreements, trade secrets and contributor license agreements). >of both Conversations and ChatSecure are always in touch, and are XSF >members. There are many forks of both, and it provides additionnal Indeed, in open standards, people and projects being members of the standards committees/workgroups is a very important thing, specially if many are in favor of free/libre software or if the group itself has that commitment or is a non-profit, preferably a charity. >On mobile, there is only one functionnal Matrix client : Element. And >it advocates for non free software, especially Google one. The references in my previous replies to this topic also agree with you. :) >Have you ever read RMS ? Or listen to him ? Everyone should care about >privacy, everyone should encrypt his communications. XMPP's modern >encryption (known as OMEMO) is way more secure than Olm/Megolm (because >it seems Vector thought that forward secrecy was an anti-feature lol). That is scary indeed. >beautiful. Free software is about freedom, not popularity And with this I contribute referencing to [1]. # References [1]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html . -- * Ativista do software livre * https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno * Membro dos grupos avaliadores de * Software (Free Software Directory) * Distribuições de sistemas (FreedSoftware) * Sites (Free JavaScript Action Team) * Não sou advogado e não fomento os não livres * Sempre veja o spam/lixo eletrônico do teu e-mail * Ou coloque todos os recebidos na caixa de entrada * Sempre assino e-mails com OpenPGP * Chave pública: vide endereço anterior * Qualquer outro pode ser fraude * Se não tens OpenPGP, ignore o anexo "signature.asc" * Ao enviar anexos * Docs., planilhas e apresentações: use OpenDocument * Outros tipos: vide endereço anterior * Use protocolos de comunicação federadas * Vide endereço anterior * Mensagens secretas somente via * XMPP com OMEMO * E-mail criptografado e assinado com OpenPGP signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Matrix communication protocol.
Note: sorry for double-posting, please tell me if you are subscribed to the list. Em 30/07/2020 01:37, Denver Gingerich escreveu: the best XMPP clients - I'm trying to do my part with the recommendations at https://jmp.chat/#clients (for the free software service I run). In short, use Gajim or Conversations. If you want fancy design but less features, then Dino. Great work on fostering JMP.chat, I also make a similar recommendation (also citing JMP.chat) in [1]. # References [1]: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/XMPP . This is also a community wiki, so anyone involved in free/libre software activism can contribute. -- * Ativista do software livre * https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno * Membro dos grupos avaliadores de * Software (Free Software Directory) * Distribuições de sistemas (FreedSoftware) * Sites (Free JavaScript Action Team) * Não sou advogado e não fomento os não livres * Sempre veja o spam/lixo eletrônico do teu e-mail * Ou coloque todos os recebidos na caixa de entrada * Sempre assino e-mails com OpenPGP * Chave pública: vide endereço anterior * Qualquer outro pode ser fraude * Se não tens OpenPGP, ignore o anexo "signature.asc" * Ao enviar anexos * Docs., planilhas e apresentações: use OpenDocument * Outros tipos: vide endereço anterior * Use protocolos de comunicação federadas * Vide endereço anterior * Mensagens secretas somente via * XMPP com OMEMO * E-mail criptografado e assinado com OpenPGP signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Matrix communication protocol.
Note: forgive me for double-posting, but people involved in this conversation already did it and I lost track of who and don't know if you all are subscribed to the list or not. Em 31/07/2020 05:58, Msavoritias escreveu: > As I said they mainly had issues with the UI/UX and some features that > were missing like stickers. I searched for the second one and there From the messages so far I can see that "missing features" that Msavoritias mentioned so far are the ones described in the sections to follow. However, if there is something else missing, please describe it. # [ ] Sticker XEP/standard For this I request that all parties interested contribute to [1] so that it either becomes a XEP or is implemented using existing ones like what is described in the issue's comments. # [?] Widget implementations If what Msavoritias refers to is a persistent notification showing how many of your accounts are connected then go to Conversations (eu.siacs.conversations), "Settings", under "Advanced" check "Active/enable service". However, if Msavoritias means any widget that stays in the "desktop"/"start area" of the phone's screen, that depends on what Msavoritias wants the widget to do, since no mobile operating systems standardizes what types of widgets must be supported. In this sense, Conversations (again, eu.siacs.conversations) has a 1 * 1 widget that you can associate a contact to and it will behave as a shortcut to talk to that address provided you are connected and have that person in the contact list inside the XMPP account with which you are connected. # References [1] https://github.com/Gargron/xmpp-web/issues/3 . -- * Ativista do software livre * https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno * Membro dos grupos avaliadores de * Software (Free Software Directory) * Distribuições de sistemas (FreedSoftware) * Sites (Free JavaScript Action Team) * Não sou advogado e não fomento os não livres * Sempre veja o spam/lixo eletrônico do teu e-mail * Ou coloque todos os recebidos na caixa de entrada * Sempre assino e-mails com OpenPGP * Chave pública: vide endereço anterior * Qualquer outro pode ser fraude * Se não tens OpenPGP, ignore o anexo "signature.asc" * Ao enviar anexos * Docs., planilhas e apresentações: use OpenDocument * Outros tipos: vide endereço anterior * Use protocolos de comunicação federadas * Vide endereço anterior * Mensagens secretas somente via * XMPP com OMEMO * E-mail criptografado e assinado com OpenPGP signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
