Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-25 Thread jmusielewicz

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:47:22 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness

The LCD is using a diffuser. Has anyone tried replacing it with a 
thin film diffuser to add brightness? M&M claimed 65% gain in 
brightness but the diffuser is probably cutting at least 40% of the 
light from the backlight. Thin films let almost all the light through. 
Plus adding the brightness films should really make it bright. Also 
has anyone tried making the screen a transflective one and adding 
a switch to shut off the backlight in full sunlight? I know some pdas 
use reflective color screens to do this and they are very visible in 
full sunlight. I have some transflective films used for mono displays. 
Will they affect the color? As you can tell I know little about color 
lcds but would love to be able to use the libretto in full sunlight. 
Any advice is welcome. Plus if I can shut off the backlight I can 
really save power- these FL really suck down the juice!!! 


On 25 Apr 2002, at 16:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:58:29 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: display brightness
> 
> Hi
> 
> Has anyone done or had done the display brightness 
> enhancement? Does it actually give a brighter display and save 
> power? Which 3M brightness enhancement film is used? Is the 
> display difficult to remove and take apart? I have some of the 3M 
> film and am considering doing the enhancement to mine so was 
> wondering how difficult it would be. TIA
> 
> John
> 
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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-25 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 02:39:50 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness

>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Hi
>
>Has anyone done or had done the display brightness
>enhancement? Does it actually give a brighter display and save
>power? Which 3M brightness enhancement film is used? Is the
>display difficult to remove and take apart? I have some of the 3M
>film and am considering doing the enhancement to mine so was
>wondering how difficult it would be. TIA

A few months back we had a long thread on this topic that starts here:

.  http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2001/msg03308.html

Seemed like the best that could be done was to apply that 3M film (where to 
get?).  But there's a company called Man & Machine that specializes in 
increasing LCD brightness at:

.  http://www.man-machine.com/brighten.htm

David posted a long explaination of the process they perform here:

.  http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/1998/msg06544.html

Buenas suerte!

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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-25 Thread jmusielewicz

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:42:01 -0500
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Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness

On 25 Apr 2002, at 19:41, Matthew Hanson wrote:

> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 02:39:50 +
> From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness
> 
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >Hi
> >
> >Has anyone done or had done the display brightness
> >enhancement? Does it actually give a brighter display and save
> >power? Which 3M brightness enhancement film is used? Is the
> >display difficult to remove and take apart? I have some of the 3M
> >film and am considering doing the enhancement to mine so was
> >wondering how difficult it would be. TIA
> 
> A few months back we had a long thread on this topic that starts here:
> 
> .  http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2001/msg03308.html
> 
> Seemed like the best that could be done was to apply that 3M film (where to 
> get?).  But there's a company called Man & Machine that specializes in 
> increasing LCD brightness at:
> 
> .  http://www.man-machine.com/brighten.htm
> 
> David posted a long explaination of the process they perform here:
> 
> .  http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/1998/msg06544.html
> 
> Buenas suerte!
> 
> Matt

Thanks. Those messages didn't show up when I did a google 
search. I like it. The thing to do is make the lcd reflective though in 
my opinion and come up with a way of being able to turn the 
backlight when it isn't needed. That way it can be used in full 
sunlight plus save power. The color of a elctroluminesant backlight 
(which is what they were talking about) isn't pure enough to keep 
the LCD's good color plus they are bulky and need really high 
voltages. There are two ways of doing this that I know of. Either 
add a reflective layer onto the back of the LCD so it will reflect part 
of the ambient light and also transmit the backlight when needed. I 
don't know what's availible for color screens though- basically you 
need something that won't mess up the color. The 3M RDF-C 
reflective is pretty good on mono displays and might work. Then 
the backlighting wouldn't have to be changed except to be able to 
turn it off. Or a person could pull out the FL backlight and add 
something like a series of white LEDs using a fiber optic 
backlighting panel. The fiber optic panel will work as a reflective 
surface so a reflective film isn't needed and will turn the 
transmissive display into a reflective one (at least according to 
claims made by a manufacturerers rep) http://www.poly-
optical.com/ProductApplications/H2.HTM. I would think if about 5 
high brightness white leds would be equivant brightness to the FL.

John




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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-25 Thread neil barnes

Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:28:24 +
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness


>Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:47:22 -0500
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness
>
>The LCD is using a diffuser. Has anyone tried replacing it with a
>thin film diffuser to add brightness? M&M claimed 65% gain in

We've been through this loop - it's worth checking the archives.

General conclusion: it won't work in reflective mode (see what it's like 
when the fluorescent inverter dies!). Anything on the front of the screen is 
going to *reduce* brightness, but *may* be able to help in reducing external 
reflections and therefore increasing the contrast, so it may be more visible 
in sunlight. Trying to remove the flourescent screen from the LCD is a 
hiding to nothing: possible, but very easy to break the LCD.

If you're going to have anything done to the screen, make sure someoe else 
is guaranteeing it :)

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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-26 Thread John Musielewicz

Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:55:20 -0500
From: "John Musielewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness

Hi Neil

Thanks for the tip on the memory. I pulled it and it solved my problems.
Interesting the memory passed every diagnostic test I ran on it. Maybe I
have a bad socket. I already ran a search on the archives and  didn't find
the info I need. It doesn't hurt to rehash old info anyway. The lcd will
work as a reflective it just needs to be modified properly- in its present
state it is transmissive so of course won't work when the backlight dies.
Nothing to reflect light. Parts are no problem- I can get or have everything
I need to mess with the lcd. I modified a reflective lcd to add a backlight
and I have plenty of parts left over. If something is broken or dies just
buy a new one No need for third party warentees :)

John


> We've been through this loop - it's worth checking the archives.
>
> General conclusion: it won't work in reflective mode (see what it's like
> when the fluorescent inverter dies!). Anything on the front
of the screen is
> going to *reduce* brightness, but *may* be able to help in reducing
external
> reflections and therefore increasing the contrast, so it may be more
visible
> in sunlight.
Trying to remove the flourescent screen from the LCD is a
> hiding to nothing: possible, but very easy to break the LCD.
>
> If you're going to have anything done to the screen, make sure someoe else
> is guaranteeing it :)
>
> Neil







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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-26 Thread neil barnes

Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:03:31 +
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness



>Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:55:20 -0500
>From: "John Musielewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness


>I need to mess with the lcd. I modified a reflective lcd to add a backlight
>and I have plenty of parts left over. If something is broken or dies just
>buy a new one No need for third party warentees :)
>
>John

If you have a cheap source for LCD panels there are lots of people who'd 
probably be interested :)

OTOH, the flourescent is *very* tightly bound - it's screwed and glued and 
taped and generally very cuddled up to the screen :-)

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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-26 Thread John Musielewicz

Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:27:06 -0500
From: "John Musielewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness


- Original Message -
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness


> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:03:31 +
> From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness
>
>
>
> >Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:55:20 -0500
> >From: "John Musielewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness
>
>
> >I need to mess with the lcd. I modified a reflective lcd to add a
backlight
> >and I have plenty of parts left over. If something is broken or dies just
> >buy a new one No need for third party warentees :)
> >
> >John
>
> If you have a cheap source for LCD panels there are lots of people who'd
> probably be interested :)

I already posted a link to a source of cheap lcd displays for the 50-110.
About as cheap as a color tft lcd gets.

>
> OTOH, the flourescent is *very* tightly bound - it's screwed and glued and
> taped and generally very cuddled up to the screen :-)

But it does come apart. A little fingernail polish remover or windex works
well to loosen glue. Do you know the address of the dimmer for the
backlight? Is it possible to completely shut it off? Is there any kind of
sdk availible for the libretto series?

>
> Neil

John




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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-26 Thread Raymond

Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:29:47 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness


> > OTOH, the flourescent is *very* tightly bound - it's screwed and glued and
> > taped and generally very cuddled up to the screen :-)
>
>But it does come apart. A little fingernail polish remover or windex works
>well to loosen glue. Do you know the address of the dimmer for the
>backlight? Is it possible to completely shut it off? Is there any kind of
>sdk availible for the libretto series?

Dunno about an SDK but you might want to look to the Linux community and 
see if you can find some bits of source code that might help ... IIRC it IS 
possible to get Linux to control APM such that you CAN get some control of 
the backlight (at least I remember reading something to that effect on a 
webpage somewhere when I was looking for how to get Linux working on my 
L50) ...


- Raymond



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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-26 Thread Raymond

Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:25:41 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness

At 11:07 AM 26/04/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:03:31 +
>From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness
>
>
>
>>Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:55:20 -0500
>>From: "John Musielewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness
>
>
>>I need to mess with the lcd. I modified a reflective lcd to add a backlight
>>and I have plenty of parts left over. If something is broken or dies just
>>buy a new one No need for third party warentees :)
>>
>>John
>
>If you have a cheap source for LCD panels there are lots of people who'd 
>probably be interested :)
>
>OTOH, the flourescent is *very* tightly bound - it's screwed and glued and 
>taped and generally very cuddled up to the screen :-)

That may be but I think Toshiba has recognised that there is a problem with 
this ... is it just me or has anyone ELSE noticed that the L100/110 screens 
are considerably more readable with reflected light (eg. in bright 
sunlight) than the L50/70 screens? I can actually see in color reasonably 
well in bright sunlight on my L100 (enough to comfortably type a document 
pretty much without the backlight) but my L50 was almost unviewable in 
bright sunlight. Its almost as if the L100/110 screens have a 
semi-reflective layer on the backlight.


- Raymond



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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-26 Thread John Musielewicz

Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:49:27 -0500
From: "John Musielewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness

> >well to loosen glue. Do you know the address of the dimmer for the
> >backlight? Is it possible to completely shut it off? Is there any kind of
> >sdk availible for the libretto series?
>
> Dunno about an SDK but you might want to look to the Linux community and
> see if you can find some bits of source code that might help ... IIRC it
IS
> possible to get Linux to control APM such that you CAN get some control of
> the backlight (at least I remember reading something to that effect on a
> webpage somewhere when I was looking for how to get Linux working on my
> L50) ...

Thanks I'll look around.






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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-26 Thread neil barnes

Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 06:05:36 +
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness


>Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:29:47 +0800
>From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness
>
>
>> > OTOH, the flourescent is *very* tightly bound - it's screwed and glued 
>>and
>> > taped and generally very cuddled up to the screen :-)
>>
>>But it does come apart. A little fingernail polish remover or windex works
>>well to loosen glue. Do you know the address of the dimmer for the
>>backlight? Is it possible to completely shut it off? Is there any kind of
>>sdk availible for the libretto series?
>
>Dunno about an SDK but you might want to look to the Linux community and
>see if you can find some bits of source code that might help ... IIRC it IS
>possible to get Linux to control APM such that you CAN get some control of
>the backlight (at least I remember reading something to that effect on a
>webpage somewhere when I was looking for how to get Linux working on my
>L50) ...

There's some windows code in Xin's pages (www.fixup.net) that I believe 
controls the backlight all the way (IIRC). Somewhere around on the net 
there's a listing of the bios calls for toshiba power control, too.

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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-27 Thread Digby Tarvin

Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:26:19 +0100 (GMT/BST)
From: Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness

> >
> >Dunno about an SDK but you might want to look to the Linux community and
> >see if you can find some bits of source code that might help ... IIRC it IS
> >possible to get Linux to control APM such that you CAN get some control of
> >the backlight (at least I remember reading something to that effect on a
> >webpage somewhere when I was looking for how to get Linux working on my
> >L50) ...
> 
> There's some windows code in Xin's pages (www.fixup.net) that I believe 
> controls the backlight all the way (IIRC). Somewhere around on the net 
> there's a listing of the bios calls for toshiba power control, too.

It works out of the box with what is supplied with the SuSE 7.3 distribution:

digbyt@voyager:/home/digbyt> man -k libretto
libapm (1)   - TOSHIBA Libretto BIOS Setup Program
voyager:/home/digbyt # libapm

Power Management for Libretto V1.0beta5
+---+
|   0) Power-up Mode  : Boot|
|   1) Standby Time   : ** (Unknown)|
|   2) System Auto Off: Disabled|
|   3) Panel Power On/Off : ** (Disabled)   |
|   4) Alarm Power On : Disabled|
|   5) LCD Power  : 3   |
|   6) Volume : mid |
|   7) Off (Suspend/Hiber): Suspend |
+---+


voyager:/home/digbyt # man libapm

libapm(l)   libapm(l)


NAME
   libapm - TOSHIBA Libretto BIOS Setup Program

SYNOPSIS
   libapm {-v,--Version} {-h,--Help}

   libapm {-P,--PowerUp (boot,hibernation)} {-T,--StandbyTime
   (0,5,10,15,30,45,60)} {-a,--AutoOff  (dis­
   able,10,20,30,40,50,60)}  {-S,--PanelSwitch  (dis­
   able,enable)} {-A,--PowerOn  (disable,)}  {-L,--Lcd­
   Power  (0,1,2,3)}  {-V,--Volume (0,1,2,3)} {-O,--Off (sus­
   pend|hibernation)}


DESCRIPTION
   libapm  configures  the  setting  of   Toshiba   Libretto.
   Changes  are  done immediately and rebooting is not necce­
   sary.

OPTIONS
   -P,--PowerUp (boot,hibernation)
  sets the Hibernation function.  If  hibernation  is
  specified, the hibernation function is enabled.  If
  boot is specified, it is disabled.

   -T,--StandbyTime (0,5,10,15,30,45,60)
  sets the Standby time.  If the Stanby time is spec­
  ified,  the  power is not cut after hibernation for
  that time in order to resume quickly from  hiberna­
  tion.   You  can select the time from 0, 5, 10, 15,
  30, 45, 60 minutes.  This function is valid if  the
  hibernation function is enabled.

   -a,--AutoOff (disable,10,20,30,40,50,60)
  sets  the  time  to  the  Auto  Power Off.  You can
  select the time from disable, 10, 20, 30,  40,  50,
  60 minutes.  This function is valid if the hiberna­
  tion function is enabled.

   -S,--PanelSwitch (disable,enable)
  sets the Panel Switch funtion. If enabled, hiberna­
  tion  is  done by closing the panel and vice versa.
  This function is valid if the hibernation  function
  is enabled.

   -A,--PowerOn (disable,)
  sets  the Power On timer.  The format of the 
  is hh:mm. If time is specified, power is  automati­
  cally turned on at the time.

   -L,--LcdPower (0,1,2,3)
  sets  the  brightness of the LCD.  0 is the darkest
  and 3 is the brightest.

   -V,--Volume (0,1,2,3)
  sets the volume of beep sound.  0 is off, 1 is min­
  imum and 3 is maximum.

   -O,--Off (suspend|hibernation)
  sets the suspend/hibernation mode. (100CT Only)

   -v,--Version
  displays the version of this program.
   -h,--Help
  displays the simple usage.


BUGS
   Completely  no  warranty.  It  may  or may not contain any
   bugs.  Operation on the machines but Toshiba  Libretto  is
   uncertain.   A  part  of  function might work on Toshiba's
   other notebook machines.  You must have root privilege  to
   run this program.


AUTHORS
   V1.0   Mr. M. Iizuka ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Original
  program Mr. Nomura ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): SMI
  patches  Ishioka  ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
  Minor fixes and documentation

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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-27 Thread John Musielewicz

Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:51:43 -0500
From: "John Musielewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness

> >> > OTOH, the flourescent is *very* tightly bound - it's screwed and
glued
> >>and
> >> > taped and generally very cuddled up to the screen :-)
> >>
> >>But it does come apart. A little fingernail polish remover or windex
works
> >>well to loosen glue. Do you know the address of the dimmer for the
> >>backlight? Is it possible to completely shut it off? Is there any kind
of
> >>sdk availible for the libretto series?
> >
> >Dunno about an SDK but you might want to look to the Linux community and
> >see if you can find some bits of source code that might help ... IIRC it
IS
> >possible to get Linux to control APM such that you CAN get some control
of
> >the backlight (at least I remember reading something to that effect on a
> >webpage somewhere when I was looking for how to get Linux working on my
> >L50) ...
>
> There's some windows code in Xin's pages (www.fixup.net) that I believe
> controls the backlight all the way (IIRC). Somewhere around on the net
> there's a listing of the bios calls for toshiba power control, too.
>

Got it. He also has a link to the bios calls. It looks like the backlight
cannot be shut off totally through the bios.

John




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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-27 Thread neil barnes

Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:36:54 +
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness


>Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:51:43 -0500
>From: "John Musielewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness
>
>
>Got it. He also has a link to the bios calls. It looks like the backlight
>cannot be shut off totally through the bios.
>
I have a feeling I've come across some reference somewhere that suggests it 
can...

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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-27 Thread jmusielewicz

Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:36:45 -0500
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On 27 Apr 2002, at 12:41, neil barnes wrote:

> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:36:54 +
> From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness
> 
> 
> >Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:51:43 -0500
> >From: "John Musielewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness
> >
> >
> >Got it. He also has a link to the bios calls. It looks like the backlight
> >cannot be shut off totally through the bios.
> >
> I have a feeling I've come across some reference somewhere that suggests it 
> can...

I did a quick google search and found some refeances to there 
being 5 settings for the backlight not 4- one being off. No source 
though. I can hook up an external display and see if I can shut off 
the backlight in the lcd. I want to test the apm bios info I have. I 
don't have a test libretto yet to do anything to anyway so it'll be 
awhile.

John





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Re: [LIB] display brightness

2002-04-28 Thread David Gardner

Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:04:16 +0100
From: David Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] display brightness

> > >Got it. He also has a link to the bios calls. It looks like the backlight
> > >cannot be shut off totally through the bios.
> > >
> > I have a feeling I've come across some reference somewhere that suggests it 
> > can...
> 
> I did a quick google search and found some refeances to there 
> being 5 settings for the backlight not 4- one being off. No source 
> though. I can hook up an external display and see if I can shut off 
> the backlight in the lcd. I want to test the apm bios info I have. I 
> don't have a test libretto yet to do anything to anyway so it'll be 
> awhile.

It is possible.  If you use the libapm utility for Linux then it gives 
backlight settings which include the backlight being completely off.  I can
vouch for it making the screen almost entirely unreadable on my 50CT :)



Dave




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