Re: \times - \tuplet (was Re: Issue 566 in lilypond: showStaffSwitch - \staffSwitchOn)
2008/1/30, Han-Wen Nienhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED]: it's actually possible to have \func #2/3 but you would loose the difference between 4/6 and 2/3 Wow, that's interesting! I have been browsing the whole R6RS specification to see if Scheme could accept fractions as arguments, but I couldn't come up with anything... Anyway, the use of a hash character just makes it even more annoying than \times, \tuplet or whatever. I'd definitely vote for tuplet (or, in a more extreme way, my minimalistic \t approach :-) Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: \times - \tuplet (was Re: Issue 566 in lilypond: showStaffSwitch - \staffSwitchOn)
2008/1/30, John Mandereau [EMAIL PROTECTED]: See Guile docs; there may be installed in Info format on your GNU/Linux system. I'm not a Scheme specialist, but I think you should generally consider RxRS as a standard specification, and always look at Guile docs to look for additional features. Oh yes, great idea! If only I had the chance to be running Linux... :-( I'll have a look into it. Thanks, Valentin ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: \times - \tuplet (was Re: Issue 566 in lilypond: showStaffSwitch - \staffSwitchOn)
Le mercredi 30 janvier 2008 à 10:32 +0100, Valentin Villenave a écrit : Wow, that's interesting! I have been browsing the whole R6RS specification to see if Scheme could accept fractions as arguments, but I couldn't come up with anything... See Guile docs; there may be installed in Info format on your GNU/Linux system. I'm not a Scheme specialist, but I think you should generally consider RxRS as a standard specification, and always look at Guile docs to look for additional features. Cheers, John ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: \times - \tuplet (was Re: Issue 566 in lilypond: showStaffSwitch - \staffSwitchOn)
2008/1/29, Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The problem is (as was discussed in that thread that we are repeating
more and
more of here) that you cannot create any such alias, at least not if you
want to
keep the syntax 2/3. You can certainly make an alias with syntax
\t #2 #3 {music} but that's not very attractive.
Oh yes! as a matter of fact, the whole \times 2/3 is included in my
\t variable.
Maybe the whole point is that users cannot define their own alias
here. Would it be consistent to make it possible, by removing the
hardcoded \times keyword and creating some ly:make-tuplet-music
function for instance?
... And sorry about the multiple threads, I just have no idea which
one is the *real* one :)
Cheers,
Valentin
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Re: \times - \tuplet (was Re: Issue 566 in lilypond: showStaffSwitch - \staffSwitchOn)
Valentin Villenave wrote:
2008/1/28, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
... hmm, I admit that it's annoying that your right hand needs to
hit the \ and then m keys; \tuplet has the advantage of using the
left hand for the t...
Definitely.
A year ago, I proposed to use the simple, minimalistic \t keyword that
is both short and easy to type, plus is can mean aither times,
tuplet or whatever. This is actually what I've been using since
then, and I have to say I'm very happy with it.
Maybe we should just explain as a commonprop how to easily create an
alias for the \times keyword, so that the users can be free to choose
whatever they want.
The problem is (as was discussed in that thread that we are repeating
more and
more of here) that you cannot create any such alias, at least not if you
want to
keep the syntax 2/3. You can certainly make an alias with syntax
\t #2 #3 {music} but that's not very attractive.
/Mats
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Re: \times - \tuplet (was Re: Issue 566 in lilypond: showStaffSwitch - \staffSwitchOn)
2008/1/28, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... hmm, I admit that it's annoying that your right hand needs to hit the \ and then m keys; \tuplet has the advantage of using the left hand for the t... Definitely. A year ago, I proposed to use the simple, minimalistic \t keyword that is both short and easy to type, plus is can mean aither times, tuplet or whatever. This is actually what I've been using since then, and I have to say I'm very happy with it. Maybe we should just explain as a commonprop how to easily create an alias for the \times keyword, so that the users can be free to choose whatever they want. Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: \times - \tuplet (was Re: Issue 566 in lilypond: showStaffSwitch - \staffSwitchOn)
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:36:20 - Trevor Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too oppose this as a mandatory change, and the creation of an alias. \times does exactly what the word 'times' implies and not what 'tuplet' would imply. The change would lead to still greater confusion, with new users writing the fraction upside-down. Given that, according to a few users, the word tuplet is completly made-up anyway, I don't think that's a big concern. :) On a slightly more serious note, what about using \mult as short for \multiply ? Yes, this is still partly tongue-in-cheek, but it might make everybody happy: no confusion with \time, math purists can rejoin in \mult 2/3, and \mult is even shorter than \times. ... hmm, I admit that it's annoying that your right hand needs to hit the \ and then m keys; \tuplet has the advantage of using the left hand for the t... Any other synonyms of \times come to mind? Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
RE: \times - \tuplet (was Re: Issue 566 in lilypond: showStaffSwitch - \staffSwitchOn)
Bryan Stanbridge wote on 27 January 2008 21:38 John Mandereau wrote: There has already been a *huge* thread on the -user list about this, and the conclusion was that the only realistic change we could do was renaming \times to \tuplet, and nothing else; the point of my remark in the bug tracker was to ask developers' opinion about actually doing this, and not about reopening the discussion -- unless you have new ideas, of course. I am still very much opposed to this as a mandatory change. [snip] Times is mathematically precise and describes exactly what is happening when the keyword is applied. If there is such an overwhelming problem with the confusion (and I still have trouble believing that to be the case), then an alias should be created, but we should not remove the \times keyword. I too oppose this as a mandatory change, and the creation of an alias. \times does exactly what the word 'times' implies and not what 'tuplet' would imply. The change would lead to still greater confusion, with new users writing the fraction upside-down. I would however favour the introduction of \tuplet, but *only* with the reversed fraction. If resources do not permit this at the moment then I vote for no change, so preserving \tuplet for its proper use some time later. Cheers, Bryan... Trevor D ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: \times - \tuplet (was Re: Issue 566 in lilypond: showStaffSwitch - \staffSwitchOn)
Op maandag 28 januari 2008, schreef Trevor Daniels: I too oppose this as a mandatory change, and the creation of an alias. \times does exactly what the word 'times' implies and not what 'tuplet' would imply. The change would lead to still greater confusion, with new users writing the fraction upside-down. I wrote this also in the tracker: I have no problem with \times. I read \times 2/3 as 'duration times two-third' (dur * 2/3), while in \tuplet the fraction would be less clear. Also when applying \times to a long music fragment (rendering many tuplets), \times keeps its meaning, while I think 'tuplet' stands for a single bracketed group of notes. Concluding, I would say: You use the \times command to create tuplets :-) just my €0.02, Wilbert Berendsen -- http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl/ You must be the change you wish to see in the world. -- Mahatma Gandi ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: \times - \tuplet (was Re: Issue 566 in lilypond: showStaffSwitch - \staffSwitchOn)
John Mandereau wrote: There has already been a *huge* thread on the -user list about this, and the conclusion was that the only realistic change we could do was renaming \times to \tuplet, and nothing else; the point of my remark in the bug tracker was to ask developers' opinion about actually doing this, and not about reopening the discussion -- unless you have new ideas, of course. I am still very much opposed to this as a mandatory change. Aliasing times to tuplet would be great. But I've spent a long time with the \times syntax and have never had any problem confusing it with \time. \tuplet is longer to type and falls much more strangely on the keyboard than does \times. Times is mathematically precise and describes exactly what is happening when the keyword is applied. If there is such an overwhelming problem with the confusion (and I still have trouble believing that to be the case), then an alias should be created, but we should not remove the \times keyword. Cheers, Bryan... ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
