Re: LM 4.4.2 \fooDown \fooUp (and how about \textDown?)

2010-12-22 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer

- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
> 
> Carl Sorensen wrote Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:22 PM
> > On 12/21/10 1:14 PM, "Valentin Villenave"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Oh, and by the way: we have \textSpannerDown for text spanners, 
> > > but
> > > not \textDown for simple TextScript objects (that are quite 
> > > likely to
> > > be needed by new users). Anyone against adding textDown, textUp,
> > > textNeutral?
> > 
> > Why should we add \textDown, \textUp, and \textNeutral? 
> > TextScript is
> > markup text, IIUC, and markup text attached to a note is always 
> > preceded by
> > ^ - or _, isn't it?   It seems to me that having special commands 
> > will just
> > cause confusion.
> 
> I agree.   The predefined commands that exist are
> useful because the preceding direction indicator
> may be omitted, but it may not be omitted from a
> \markup.

I don't agree. The predefined commands are useful to specify the default 
behavior - whether this is indicated by a - or by the omission of a specifier 
is irrelevant. Imagine a continuo part. For the celli/double basses you want 
the dynamics and probably also most markup text down. For the organ however you 
have the bass figures below the staff, so the dynamics and all markup text 
should default to up (by usung \dynamicUp etc.)

I agree, though, that *Up/Down are just shortcuts for property overrides, so 
it's not like we are missing functionality. It's just about consistency.

Cheers,
Reinhold

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Re: LM 4.4.2 \fooDown \fooUp (and how about \textDown?)

2010-12-22 Thread Trevor Daniels


Carl Sorensen wrote Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:22 PM


On 12/21/10 1:14 PM, "Valentin Villenave"  
wrote:


Oh, and by the way: we have \textSpannerDown for text spanners, 
but
not \textDown for simple TextScript objects (that are quite 
likely to

be needed by new users). Anyone against adding textDown, textUp,
textNeutral?


Why should we add \textDown, \textUp, and \textNeutral? 
TextScript is
markup text, IIUC, and markup text attached to a note is always 
preceded by
^ - or _, isn't it?  It seems to me that having special commands 
will just

cause confusion.


I agree.  The predefined commands that exist are
useful because the preceding direction indicator
may be omitted, but it may not be omitted from a
\markup.

Trevor 




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Re: LM 4.4.2 \fooDown \fooUp (and how about \textDown?)

2010-12-22 Thread Trevor Daniels


Valentin Villenave wrote Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:14 PM

I've been looking at the LM 4.4.2 Placement of objects > 
Within-staff
objects, and I'm not sure we want to use "Down/Left" and 
"Up/Right" in
the table. Yes, we all know that -1 and 1 may respectively mean 
either
"down" or "left" and either "up" or "right", but in this table 
we're

*only* documenting objects that are aligned vertically!


I think I wrote the heading as it is because down stems are on the 
left
and up stems on the right, but I've no objection to removing the 
"left" and

"right".

Trevor



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Re: LM 4.4.2 \fooDown \fooUp (and how about \textDown?)

2010-12-21 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/21/10 1:14 PM, "Valentin Villenave"  wrote:

> Greetings everybody, hi Trevor,
> 
> I've been looking at the LM 4.4.2 Placement of objects > Within-staff
> objects, and I'm not sure we want to use "Down/Left" and "Up/Right" in
> the table. Yes, we all know that -1 and 1 may respectively mean either
> "down" or "left" and either "up" or "right", but in this table we're
> *only* documenting objects that are aligned vertically!

I agree with you here.  I think it should be Down and Up in the table
headings.

> 
> Oh, and by the way: we have \textSpannerDown for text spanners, but
> not \textDown for simple TextScript objects (that are quite likely to
> be needed by new users). Anyone against adding textDown, textUp,
> textNeutral?

Why should we add \textDown, \textUp, and \textNeutral?  TextScript is
markup text, IIUC, and markup text attached to a note is always preceded by
^ - or _, isn't it?  It seems to me that having special commands will just
cause confusion.

Thanks,

Carl


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