Re: Lyric Verse Naming

2003-03-04 Thread Warren Stickney
Thank you for the replies on my Lyric Verse Naming problem.

As a new Lily user what should I do now. Should I submit this
condition, formally, as a potential bug, or is it sufficient for it to have
been raised within this list.

Can someone please advise me on the most useful action I can take.



Warren Stickney
Wellington, 
New Zealand
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Q on Lilybook - mixing notes and text

2003-03-04 Thread Hans Forbrich
The Cantata I'm working on has narration interspersed in the music,
something like 'system1, narration1, system2-7, narration2, system8-15'
, etc.

Can Lilybook handle this, or do I need to break up the music manually?
If yes, pointers to examples will be extremely appreciated.  (Otherwise
I'm about to start hacking the score apart ...

Thanks
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Re: How to remove first score indentation?

2003-03-04 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Tuesday 04 March 2003 05:20 am, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
>  > ...
> >
> > I would rather keep it, but in lilypond-book the first line of
> > music is indented twice and all the other lines indented once. 
> > Since I don't plan to put the instrument name before any of the
> > lines because it is obvious from context what the instrument is,
> > how can I get the music lines to have the same left margin and
> > indention as the text lines?
>
> Use the noquote option to get rid of the extra indentation:
> \begin[noquote]{lilypond} ... \end{lilypond}
>
> This question has popped up a number of times since Werner Lemberg
> improved the TeX code output from Lilypond. At least when using
> lilypond-book together with LaTeX documents, I have never seen any
> example where I didn't want the noquote option.
>
> How about changing lilypond-book and making noquote the default?
> Of course, it's always a problem to make incompatible changes, but
> that's more or less what we did at the time when the noquote option
> was introduced. Comments?

fantastic!

lilypondfile[noquote]{xxx.ly}

did the trick and I can get indention if I want.  In this particular 
project, I want a bit.

Why not do away with quote/noquote altogether and just indent the first 
line or the lines after according to whether or not \property 
Staff.instrument and Staff.instr are set?  If they are set = "" , then 
there would be whitespace for anyone who wanted it.  If they are not 
set at all then no shortening except the first line indention, and if 
indent is set to zero then none of that either. That way there doesn't 
need to be any worrying about what the default should be, and dummies 
like me don't have to try to understand what this has to do with 
quoting anything.  :-)

BTW is Staff.instrument going to be Staff.Instrument?

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1.7.13 - 'Rehearsal size' font for \markup?

2003-03-04 Thread Hans Forbrich
SuSE 8.0, Lilypond 1.7.13 ...

When I want a 'normal' rehearsal mark, I use \mark "xyz" ... works well.

When I want 2 or more marks stacked (eg: segno, rehearsal number) ...
per recent suggestion I use

\mark \markup { \column < { \huge "31" } { \musicglyph #"scripts- segno"
} > }

How do I request the 'rehearsal mark - sized' font?  I've tried huge,
huge/bold, etc.  (If it's not easy, no great rush - but nothing is quite
the same as the full rehearsal ).

TIA
/Hans



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Re: caesura

2003-03-04 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I somewhat agree but the choice of fonts chosen for that document should 
> be independent of the unicode value used to represent the caesura.  I 
> haven't presently got a better example to show.  Maybe someone else 
> does?  I would hope that a better example would be generated in the 
> fonts used by Lilypond.
> 
> Using "//" actually works thanks to Graham ( Thanks! ) but it would be 
> better if it actually claimed some horizontal space for itself instead 
> of just placing itself on top of whatever is there.

I added a caesura symbol to 1.7 cvs (see
input/regression/breathing-sign.ly).  I made it slightly curved and
tapered (like the comma, but more elongated), since straight lines
don't fit in the font, IMO.  However, some scans of real railroad
tracks would be appreciated.


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Re: Still: fingering in chords

2003-03-04 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
> 
> >
> > You got the answer of how to do horizontal.
> 
> 
> I got the answer this property is deleted:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg02016.html

A form of fingering is supported in lily 1.7 -- see  
http://lilypond.org/development/input/regression/out-www/regression.html
,
finger-chords.ly 


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Re: caesura

2003-03-04 Thread Paul Scott
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 

Are you sure? That looks more like the symbol used to separate
systems. Do you have a scan of the symbol in action?  It's not listed
in Kurt Stone, and Heussenstam gives a handwriting example, that is
more vertically sloped and thinner, like two penlines.
 

If you look at the end of the standards document above, the
symbol is clearly named ceasura. I'll check the typesetting
books I have at home tonight.
   

Yes, but the typographical quality of the other symbols in the
document do not convince me. The symbol is much to black and heavy to
put in a staff.
I somewhat agree but the choice of fonts chosen for that document should 
be independent of the unicode value used to represent the caesura.  I 
haven't presently got a better example to show.  Maybe someone else 
does?  I would hope that a better example would be generated in the 
fonts used by Lilypond.

Using "//" actually works thanks to Graham ( Thanks! ) but it would be 
better if it actually claimed some horizontal space for itself instead 
of just placing itself on top of whatever is there.

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Re: How to have an extra measure at the beginning of a score

2003-03-04 Thread Ryurick M. Hristev
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Stef Epardaud wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm writing drum scores and it's traditional that we put an extra
> measure at the beginnning to indicate what all the notes point to in
> terms of percussion elements. This measure should be unnumbered and
> alone on its line. I have not found any way to force a line break, or to
> separate it from the rest of the score, so it's always measure number 1
> and the rest of the score starts at 2, is there a way to do this ?
> 
> Thanks a lot for any help.
> 

I think you may achieve this with "\partial 1"

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Mixing notehead sizes in a 'chord'?

2003-03-04 Thread Hans Forbrich
In the piece I'm working - SATB + Piano - the Tenors have 'alternate'
notes which are designated by a reduced notehead size.  Since IMHO these
are 'one voice', ideally these alternates could be represented (Lily
1.7.13) as

<>4.-( <>8-)

However, trying this I find that all noteheads in a chord become the
same size.

A second variant would be to create 2 voices ... (which should also
allow separate slurs/ties for each pair - also needed, but probably a
separate question)

< {c4.-( e8-) } \\ { \stemUp \slurUp \tiny a4.-(  c8-) } >

This seem to work some of the time, but occasionally the stems get out
of alignment.  More accurately, the alignment of the tiny & normal
noteheads is on the 'front' of the grob which, when stems are up, causes
the tiny and the normal stems to both be visible. (Making stems
transparent results in a gap between the tiny notehead & the 'master'
stem, therefore not acceptable.)

Related questions:
1) Any hope of getting mixed notehead sizes in a chord sometime?
1a) If it's there now, how do I do this?  (What did I overlook?)
--- or ---
2) How can I use 'stem-based' notehead alignment or nudge the tiny notes
to line up with the stems of the normal font?

Advice, corrections, pointers to appropriate doc, etc. appreciated.
/Hans



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German Chords broken?

2003-03-04 Thread Eric Bullinger
Hello,

in lilypond-1.6.8 german-chords seem to be broken, see e.g.
http://www.lilypond.org/stable/input/test/out-www/test.html
It works correctly when I copy the following lines from
german-chords-init.ly to chord-name.scm
#(define german-Bb #f)
#(define (pitch->chord-name-text-banter pitch)
 ... etc
#(define (pitch->note-name-text-banter pitch)
 ... etc
It seems like these commands are ignored, when I use
\include{german-chords-init.ly} or including them directly into my .ly file.
Thanks for any help,
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Re: quotation marks (double-quotes) in lyrics

2003-03-04 Thread Jeff Ousley
My Bad! Sorry. Both methods below did work.  I
chose to go with:

  "``God"8 is8 "king'';"4

because it looked nicer. I won't say what I was doing
wrong...

Thanks!
-jeff

--- Jeff Ousley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Arggg! I tried:
> 
>   "``God"8 is8 "king'';"4
> 
> as well as:
> 
>   "\"God"8 is8 "king\";"4
> 
> neither of them print any quote marks. I end up
> with:
> 
>   God is king;
> 
> instead of this:
> 
>   "God is king;"
> 
> I'm using version 1.6.8 out of cygwin. Am I not
> doing
> this right? Thanks for all the help.
> 
> -jeff
> 
> --- Laura Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Jeff" == Jeff Ousley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > writes:
> > 
> > Jeff> This did not produce any quotes at all.
> > Any other
> > Jeff> ideas?
> > 
> > You have to enclose the "word" in double quotes,
> and
> > then escape the
> > quote with a backslash:
> > 
> > "\"God" is "King\""
> > 
> > Don't ask me why.
> > 
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Re: quotation marks (double-quotes) in lyrics

2003-03-04 Thread Jeff Ousley
Arggg! I tried:

  "``God"8 is8 "king'';"4

as well as:

  "\"God"8 is8 "king\";"4

neither of them print any quote marks. I end up with:

  God is king;

instead of this:

  "God is king;"

I'm using version 1.6.8 out of cygwin. Am I not doing
this right? Thanks for all the help.

-jeff

--- Laura Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Jeff" == Jeff Ousley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> 
> Jeff> This did not produce any quotes at all.
> Any other
> Jeff> ideas?
> 
> You have to enclose the "word" in double quotes, and
> then escape the
> quote with a backslash:
> 
> "\"God" is "King\""
> 
> Don't ask me why.
> 
> -- 
> Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ,
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\raise in markup (lilypond 1.7.13)

2003-03-04 Thread Alexandre Beneteau
Hello,

I'm trying to raise text markup with lilypond 1.7.13.
I believe I've followed the manual instructions... but can't achieve 
what I'd would like to.

Please see the source and png output attached...

Thanks,

	Alex.
\include "italiano.ly"

\header { tagline = "" }

\score {
  \notes {
do''4^\markup { "test" }
do''4^\markup { \raise #2.0 "test" }
do''4^\markup { \raise #2.0 { \italic {"test"} }
  }
}}
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talk about fast imlementation

2003-03-04 Thread Stef Epardaud
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 04:31:52PM +0100, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> In response to all these questions,  I've decided to implement 
> slightly hackish support for
> 
>R2^\markup { ..stuff.. }
> 
> it's in CVS 1.7

excellent, thanks a lot, I think I'll just have to get my hand on 1.7
then.

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Re: great! now I have other questions ...

2003-03-04 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Just about your last question :
> You can't have markup on 'R', but you cant on 'r'
> 
> If you use lilypond 1.7.x, you may use :
> 
> \once \property Voice.MultiMeasureRestNumber \override #'text = #'(roman 
> "my markup")

In response to all these questions,  I've decided to implement 
slightly hackish support for

 R2^\markup { ..stuff.. }

it's in CVS 1.7

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Re: great! now I have other questions ...

2003-03-04 Thread Stef Epardaud
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 03:03:47PM +0100, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> If you use the stable version and want the centered rest given by
> R instead of the left adjusted one given by r, you could attach the
> text to a spacing rest in a parallel line of music:
> 

Ah, and so in 17/8 it would be :
 then ?
somehow this does not do what I want.

> I don't understand what you do with the empty bars, in 17/8,
> you should get a two measure rest using R8*34 or
> R8*17 R8*17, I just tried it myself.

OK, I have to confess I do something far-fetched to get to this
situation, in the middle of the song it works, but at the beginning,
after my drum header (the measure explaining the mappings) it needs an
extra empty measure. This could be caused by me putting my drum support
in a separate .ly file that I include, and defining the drum header
measure as a sort of macro.
I have attached the two files I use, this should give you a clearer
example of the problem, delbosh-drums.ly is the main file and drums.ly
is the included file.
The fea comments in it are in french, I apologize, but they should not
be relevant, and I tried to keep it clear, the fault line of empty
measure is at line 25 in delbosh-drums.ly

> I must admit I've never heard about a piece in 17/8, but I once
> played a piece in alternating 11/8 and 13/8 by some Russian composer
> who apparantly wrote it as a wedding march for his own wedding.
> I wonder how he and his bride manage to walk in rhythm. ;-)

Maybe they don't have to walk in rythm in Russian weddings ?
Maybe it's a danced march ?
For me this 17/8 piece sounded great when composed on the guitar until I
had to play drums over it and realized the time signature melted my
brains.
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\header {
  filename ="delbosh-drums.ly"
  title =   "Delbosh"
  subtitle =  "Drums"
  source =  "Stef Epardaud"
  composer ="Stef Epardaud"
  enteredby =   "jcn"
  copyright =   "Private"
}

\include "drums.ly"

% tomh toml tommh tomml tomfh tomfl 
drh = \notes { 
 \drumheader
 % on est a 160bpm
 \time 17/8
 
 % depart guitare
 % bon j'en veux que deux mais faut en mettre trois, je sais pas pourquoi
 % et ca c'est pour avoir le tempo ecrit sur un R8*17
 %% mais ca marche que pour lilypond 1.7
 % \once \property Voice.MultiMeasureRestNumber \override #'text = #'(roman "160bpm")
 R8*34

 % montee en toms ternaire
 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
   
 
 }
 >

 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
r8
 
 }
 >

 % montee en toms binaire
 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
   
   

 }
 >

 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
r8
   
 }
 >

 % theme principal deux fois
 \repeat "volta" 2 {
 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne 
cymca4. cymcb4 cymca8   hh8 hh8 cymr4 cymr8 hho8 
hh8 cymr4 cymr8
 }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
bd8 sn8 sn8 bd8 sn8 bd4. bd8 sn4 bd4. bd8 sn4 
 }
 >

 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne 
hho8  hh8 cymr4 cymr8 hho8 
hh8 cymr8 cymch4. sn4 cymch8
 }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
bd4. bd8 sn4 bd4. bd8 sn8 bd8 bd8 sn8 bd8 sn4
 }
 >

 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne 
cymr8 hh8 cymr4 cymr8 hho8  hh8 cymr4 cymr8 hho8 
hh8 cymr4 cymr8
 }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
bd4. sn4 bd4. bd8 sn4 bd4. bd8 sn4
 }
 >
 }

 % transition (les deux premieres mesures du theme principal)
 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne 
cymca4. cymcb4 cymca8 hh8 hh8 cymr4 cymr8 hho8 
hh8 cymr4 cymr8
 }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
bd8 sn8 sn8 bd8 sn8 bd4. bd8 sn4 bd4. bd8 sn4 
 }
 >

 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne 
hho8  hh8 cymr4 cymr8 hho8 
hh8 cymr8 cymch4. sn4 r4
 }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
bd4. bd8 sn4 bd4. bd8 sn8 bd8 bd8 sn8 bd8 sn16 sn16 sn8
 }
 >

 % le theme en alternance sur le stax
 \repeat "volta" 2 {
 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne 
stax8 hh8 hh8 hh8 stax4
hh8 hh8 stax8 hh4
hh8 stax8 hh8 hh4 stax8
 }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
bd4. bd4 sn4. bd4 bd4. bd4 sn4
 }
 >

 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne 
hh8 hh8 stax8 hh8 hh4 stax8
hh8 hh8 hh8 stax8 hh8
hh8 hh8 stax4 hh8
 }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
bd4. bd4 sn4. bd4 bd4. bd4 sn4
 }
 >
 }

 % le theme en triplo-charley
 \repeat "volta" 2 {
 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne 
hh8 \times 2/3 {hh16 hh16 hh16} hho8 hhc8 hh4 
hh8 hh8 hho8 hhc8 hho8
hhc8 hh8 hho8 hhc4 hh8
 }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
bd4. bd4 sn4. bd4 bd4. bd4 sn4
 }
 >

 <
 \context Voice=VA {\voiceOne 
hh8 \times 2/3 {hh16 hh16 hh16} r8 hho8 hhc8
hho8 hhc8 hh8 hho8 hhc4 hh8
hh8 hho8 hhc8. cymca8.
 }
 \context Voice=VB {\voiceTwo 
bd4 sn8 bd8 sn8 bd4. bd4 sn4

Re: caesura

2003-03-04 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > Are you sure? That looks more like the symbol used to separate
> > systems. Do you have a scan of the symbol in action?  It's not listed
> > in Kurt Stone, and Heussenstam gives a handwriting example, that is
> > more vertically sloped and thinner, like two penlines.
> 
> If you look at the end of the standards document above, the
> symbol is clearly named ceasura. I'll check the typesetting
> books I have at home tonight.

Yes, but the typographical quality of the other symbols in the
document do not convince me. The symbol is much to black and heavy to
put in a staff.  

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Re: great! now I have other questions ...

2003-03-04 Thread Mats Bengtsson
If you use the stable version and want the centered rest given by
R instead of the left adjusted one given by r, you could attach the
text to a spacing rest in a parallel line of music:

I don't understand what you do with the empty bars, in 17/8,
you should get a two measure rest using R8*34 or
R8*17 R8*17, I just tried it myself.
I must admit I've never heard about a piece in 17/8, but I once
played a piece in alternating 11/8 and 13/8 by some Russian composer
who apparantly wrote it as a wedding march for his own wedding.
I wonder how he and his bride manage to walk in rhythm. ;-)
   /Mats

Alexandre Beneteau wrote:
Just about your last question :
You can't have markup on 'R', but you cant on 'r'
If you use lilypond 1.7.x, you may use :

\once \property Voice.MultiMeasureRestNumber \override #'text = #'(roman 
"my markup")

before the 'R' you want to mark...

Alex.

Stef Epardaud wrote:

On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 01:23:10PM +0100, Mats Bengtsson wrote:

Go to lilypond.org, klick on Search and enter "line break" and
"bar number", respectively and follow the top links.


Thanks, I am stupid not to have used the search, I just went and looked
in the reference manual and overlooked it.
Now I have other questions, I get my time signature printed at the end
of this first line, how can I force this one to be on the next line ?
I also have a really funny thing with whole-measure rests: my score is
in \time 17/8 and it starts with two empty measures. To get this I seem
to need  R8*17
 R8*17
 R8*17
three times, for some reason. Probably I did not understand the meaning
of the R symbol.
And last question, I do not seem to be able to put text on top of the
resting measures with ^"160bpm" like R8*17^"160bpm" or so. I need to put
it on the first note, which makes the tempo appear only at the third
measure. Again I suspect I am doing it wrong.




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Re: caesura

2003-03-04 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
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Paul, do you have an example you could scan in or something?

I gave this in my second post in this thread:

It is ID113 in unicode visible here: 
http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1D100.pdf


Are you sure? That looks more like the symbol used to separate
systems. Do you have a scan of the symbol in action?  It's not listed
in Kurt Stone, and Heussenstam gives a handwriting example, that is
more vertically sloped and thinner, like two penlines.
If you look at the end of the standards document above, the
symbol is clearly named ceasura. I'll check the typesetting
books I have at home tonight.
   /Mats



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Re: great! now I have other questions ...

2003-03-04 Thread Alexandre Beneteau
Just about your last question :
You can't have markup on 'R', but you cant on 'r'
If you use lilypond 1.7.x, you may use :

\once \property Voice.MultiMeasureRestNumber \override #'text = #'(roman 
"my markup")

before the 'R' you want to mark...

	Alex.

Stef Epardaud wrote:
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 01:23:10PM +0100, Mats Bengtsson wrote:

Go to lilypond.org, klick on Search and enter "line break" and
"bar number", respectively and follow the top links.


Thanks, I am stupid not to have used the search, I just went and looked
in the reference manual and overlooked it.
Now I have other questions, I get my time signature printed at the end
of this first line, how can I force this one to be on the next line ?
I also have a really funny thing with whole-measure rests: my score is
in \time 17/8 and it starts with two empty measures. To get this I seem
to need 
 R8*17
 R8*17
 R8*17
three times, for some reason. Probably I did not understand the meaning
of the R symbol.
And last question, I do not seem to be able to put text on top of the
resting measures with ^"160bpm" like R8*17^"160bpm" or so. I need to put
it on the first note, which makes the tempo appear only at the third
measure. Again I suspect I am doing it wrong.


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great! now I have other questions ...

2003-03-04 Thread Stef Epardaud
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 01:23:10PM +0100, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> Go to lilypond.org, klick on Search and enter "line break" and
> "bar number", respectively and follow the top links.

Thanks, I am stupid not to have used the search, I just went and looked
in the reference manual and overlooked it.

Now I have other questions, I get my time signature printed at the end
of this first line, how can I force this one to be on the next line ?
I also have a really funny thing with whole-measure rests: my score is
in \time 17/8 and it starts with two empty measures. To get this I seem
to need 
 R8*17
 R8*17
 R8*17
three times, for some reason. Probably I did not understand the meaning
of the R symbol.
And last question, I do not seem to be able to put text on top of the
resting measures with ^"160bpm" like R8*17^"160bpm" or so. I need to put
it on the first note, which makes the tempo appear only at the third
measure. Again I suspect I am doing it wrong.
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Re: caesura

2003-03-04 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
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> >>Paul, do you have an example you could scan in or something?
> >>
> I gave this in my second post in this thread:
> 
> It is ID113 in unicode visible here: 
> http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1D100.pdf

Are you sure? That looks more like the symbol used to separate
systems. Do you have a scan of the symbol in action?  It's not listed
in Kurt Stone, and Heussenstam gives a handwriting example, that is
more vertically sloped and thinner, like two penlines.

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Re: MusicXML

2003-03-04 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
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> 1. [obvliously] the changes in both mudela and MusicXML (which I'll intercept!)
> 2. some differences in the "semantic" capabilities of the two languages.
> 
> I'll explain better my mind about the last point (it would be more on topic on
> the devel-list, but I'm seizing such opportunity :-)
> There are expecially two things I'm thinking about:
> 1. in MusicXML slurs can span from one voice to another. I don't know whether
> this can match any actual musical situation (but I doubt), it's probably a music
> representation trick (although used in Finale, too): anyway there is no - AFAIK -
> a way to represent this with Lilypond.

No,  nor do I think there should be.

> 2. some "spanning" music expressions (e.g.: wedges) are tied to the
> general music score (intended as time stream), rather than to single
> notes/parts.  This cause a problem similar to the first one: I can
> get the start of the indication, but not the end.
> 
> Is there a way to go around these problems and/or extend Lilypond to
> support them?

You could attach all of them to a bunch of skip notes. I'm not sure
how you get them to print then, though.

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Re: How to remove first score indentation?

2003-03-04 Thread Laura Conrad
> "Mats" == Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mats> Use the noquote option to get rid of the extra indentation:
Mats> \begin[noquote]{lilypond} ... \end{lilypond}

Thanks, this also gets rid of the silly indentation of the first line
at the *right* margin, whice is certainly a bug.

Mats> This question has popped up a number of times since Werner Lemberg
Mats> improved the TeX code output from Lilypond. At least when using
Mats> lilypond-book together with LaTeX documents, I have never seen any
Mats> example where I didn't want the noquote option.

Mats> How about changing lilypond-book and making noquote the
Mats> default?

Yes, please.

Mats> Of course, it's always a problem to make incompatible
Mats> changes, but that's more or less what we did at the time
Mats> when the noquote option was introduced. Comments?

I don't see what "quote" is good for.  If nobody can explain that,
maybe it should be removed altogether.  


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Re: How to have an extra measure at the beginning of a score

2003-03-04 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Stef Epardaud wrote:
Hi,

I'm writing drum scores and it's traditional that we put an extra
measure at the beginnning to indicate what all the notes point to in
terms of percussion elements. This measure should be unnumbered and
alone on its line. I have not found any way to force a line break, or to
separate it from the rest of the score, so it's always measure number 1
and the rest of the score starts at 2, is there a way to do this ?
Go to lilypond.org, klick on Search and enter "line break" and
"bar number", respectively and follow the top links.
   /Mats



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Lilypond and mac os X

2003-03-04 Thread Frédéric Kapala
Hello !
I'm new to Lilypond and all the GNU stuff.
I've installed with fink lilypond on a mac with OS 10.2.4 ; on an other 
hand, i try to use texshop ot itexmac to produce nice pdf file with 
Latex ; but the trouble is that it is not possible to write lilypond 
code inside texshop (lilypond-book seems not to work, or i do something 
wrong...) ;
It would be nice to have help from somebody (simple enough if possible, 
my beginnings with X11 and al. are puzzling !)
Thanks for any reply, and sorry for the uncertain (but I hope 
understandable) English of this mail.



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How to have an extra measure at the beginning of a score

2003-03-04 Thread Stef Epardaud
Hi,

I'm writing drum scores and it's traditional that we put an extra
measure at the beginnning to indicate what all the notes point to in
terms of percussion elements. This measure should be unnumbered and
alone on its line. I have not found any way to force a line break, or to
separate it from the rest of the score, so it's always measure number 1
and the rest of the score starts at 2, is there a way to do this ?

Thanks a lot for any help.
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Re: How to remove first score indentation?

2003-03-04 Thread Mats Bengtsson
David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
> ...
I would rather keep it, but in lilypond-book the first line of music is
indented twice and all the other lines indented once.  Since I don't 
plan to put the instrument name before any of the lines because it is 
obvious from context what the instrument is, how can I get the music 
lines to have the same left margin and indention as the text lines?
Use the noquote option to get rid of the extra indentation:
\begin[noquote]{lilypond} ... \end{lilypond}
This question has popped up a number of times since Werner Lemberg
improved the TeX code output from Lilypond. At least when using
lilypond-book together with LaTeX documents, I have never seen any
example where I didn't want the noquote option.
How about changing lilypond-book and making noquote the default?
Of course, it's always a problem to make incompatible changes, but
that's more or less what we did at the time when the noquote option was
introduced. Comments?
   /Mats



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