Re: percussion midi ?

2006-11-14 Thread Mats Bengtsson
It looks as if you have found a bug, indeed. If I try the following 
modified version
of your example, it produces its output on channel 10 with LilyPond 
version 2.8
but on channel 2 with LilyPond version 2.10. The bug is in 
lily/performance.cc,

where a test
if (s-channel_  0)
was removed, which means that the explicit setting of channel_ = 9 in
lily/staff-performer.cc is lost.

\version 2.10.0

\score {

   \new DrumStaff 
  \drummode {
bd4 sn4 bd4 sn4

  {\voiceOne \repeat unfold 16 hh16 }  
  \new DrumVoice { \voiceTwo bd4 sn4 bd4 sn4 }

 \oneVoice
  }

\layout {}
\midi {}
}   
%end lilypond


However, Simon, there was a problem with your input file as well.
The {...} // {...}  feature is hard coded to provide ordinary Voice
contexts, so it will not give you the desired DrumVoice contexts. I'm 
actually

surprised that you get any reasonable printed output. Clearly, there is no
corresponding MIDI output. By explicitly instantiating the DrumVoice
contexts above, I solved that problem.

Regards

  /Mats
Simon Dahlbacka wrote:



On 11/13/06, *Mats Bengtsson* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


As long as you use a DrumVoice context to typeset the percussion, the
MIDI output should automatically contain the corresponding drum sounds
in channel 10.

   /Mats


In that case, something else is broken. I
ncluded is a snippet from 7.4.3 Percussion staves in the 2.10 manual 
(wrapped into a \score block)


%begin lilypond
\version 2.10.0

\score {

\new DrumStaff 
   \new DrumVoice = 1 { s1 *2 }
   \new DrumVoice = 2 { s1 *2 }
   \drummode {
 bd4 sn4 bd4 sn4
 
   { \repeat unfold 16 hh16 }
   \\
   { bd4 sn4 bd4 sn4 }
 
   }
 
 \layout {}
 \midi {}
}
%end lilypond



The produced midi does *not* sound like drums... (apart from only the 
first four notes audible...)


/Simon


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Re: Chord, variables and comments [beginner]

2006-11-14 Thread Christophe Dang Ngoc Chan
 It seems that a standard preprocessor like m4 should be the best solution to
your problems.

OK, I just wanted to know if I did something wrong. Thanks for your prompt 
reply.



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Re: LilyPondTool 2.10 demo

2006-11-14 Thread Valentin Villenave

Bertalan,

I've got one single word to say : AWESOME !!!
Thank you so much for bringing us such a complete tool...


2006/11/13, Bertalan Fodor [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

For a flash demo of the new LilyPondTool release please look at
http://www.organum.hu/fileadmin/lilypondtool/parser.html

It demonstrates some of the most exciting features (instant
errorchecking, instant help, instant point-and-click)

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AW: polyphonic layout

2006-11-14 Thread Helge Kruse
  3) The lower system has an overlay of the rest and the g. I assume
 Lilypond
  counts the voices from top to bottom. So I changed the order in the
 second
  measure. But this gives a too high rest. It should be from third to
 fifths
  line.
 
 Try setting the rest manually with something like d'/rest (the d'
 specifies where the rest goes. Look at
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Rests.html#Rests
 
  4) The slurs in the lower system should be in opposite to the stem. I
 tried
  to set the parentheses inside the angle brackets to get them bound to d-
 g
  and es-g but then they disappeared at all.
 
 
 Sorry, can't help without seeing it.
 
 No, but it's good if you can show an example of what you tried so we can
 see where you've gone wrong.

Cameron, thanks for reply. I really forgot to attach to files. So let me
paste the current ly file here. I have already introduced the changes you
mentioned.

\version 2.7.39
\include deutsch.ly

 upper = \relative c'' 
 {
\clef treble
\key b \major
\time 6/8
R2.
r4 r8 r g16 ( a b d )
c4. ( c8 ) c16 d es g )
 }
 
 lower = \relative c
 {
\clef bass
\key b \major
\time 6/8
 
{ \slurDown f4\rest  d b'8 ( g d'4. ) } \\ { g,2. } 
{ \slurDown f'4\rest d b'8 ( g d'4. ) } \\ { g,2. } 
{ \slurDown f'4\rest es a8 ( g c4.  ) } \\ { g,2. } 
% I would like to write it like this: 
%{ r4  d b'8 ( g d'4. ) } \\ { g,2. } 
%{ r4 d' b'8 ( g d'4. ) } \\ { g,2. } 
%{ r4 es' a8 ( g c4.  ) } \\ { g,2. } 
%
 }
 
\book
{
\score 
{
\context PianoStaff 
\set PianoStaff.instrument = HARPE  
\context Staff = upper \upper
\context Staff = lower \lower

\layout { }
\midi { \tempo 4=60 }
}
%   \paper { annotate-spacing = ##t }
}

The layout in the lower staff looks now as expected. But it's annoying to
write \slurDown and f4\rest for each measure. Is there any scheme script
that sets the slur direction and the rest position/distance/offset/what-else
for a lot of measures?

Regards, 
Helge



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Re: virus warning: guile.exe

2006-11-14 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Helge Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi,

 I installed Lilypond and now I get warnings from F-Prot about guile.exe. The
 virus scanner gives the warning:

   Infection: Possible a new variant of W32/Threat-HLLSI-based!Maximus

 Is this infection real at the lilypond web server?

No, this is a bug in your virus scanner.  Please send a bug report to
F-Prot.

Jan.

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Two easy? questions

2006-11-14 Thread Johan Vromans
Hi,

I have two questions on a transcription and I'm very interested in
hearing your advice. You can find the lilypond source on
http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/hole.ly . I'm using lilypond version
2.8.7.

1. Bar 1,: voices Med and Low start with identical text and note
   duration, but the first word of Low is shifted to the left. Why?
   This doesn't happen in bar 17.

2. Bar 10/11, voices High/Med/Low, the melisma (sect. 7.3.7.4 of the
   docs) is extended as if it follows the melody of Lead instead. Why?
   What do do? I tried to use \set melismaBusyProperties = #'() around
   the relevant part of the melody, but that makes it worse.

Thanks,

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MIDI Output

2006-11-14 Thread Iain Archibald

Hi,

Just started using LilyPond and want to use the MIDI as well as layout. 
 I have just entered a bit of 4 part choral music and have a difference 
between the MIDI output and the printed version.  The Alto part ends one 
section on the D above middle C and restarts on a G flat above middle C. 
 Now I have represented this as:

d4.~ d8 r r r4. gf,4.
When I print this I get the expected result (i.e. the G below the D). 
The MIDI file seems to miss this and plays the G above the D.  The 
result is that for the rest of the piece the alto part is an octave high.


Is this a known problem??

Thanks
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Beaming strategy

2006-11-14 Thread Johan Vromans
Hi,

In a 4/4 score, lilypond beams 8th notes as if it were a 2/2 score:

  g8 g  g  g  g  g  g  g  =  g8[ g g g] g[ g g g]

Is there some global setting to have 4/4 beaming in groups of two:

  g8 g  g  g  g  g  g  g  =  g8[ g] g[ g] g[ g] g[ g]

Thanks,

-- Johan



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Re: LilyPondTool 2.10 demo

2006-11-14 Thread Bertalan Fodor
Strange. Perhaps the flash format version it uses. I use a windows box, 
so I don't really know any other flash players than Macromedia Flash Player.


Bert

Erik Sandberg írta:

On Monday 13 November 2006 23:37, Bertalan Fodor wrote:
  

For a flash demo of the new LilyPondTool release please look at
http://www.organum.hu/fileadmin/lilypondtool/parser.html

It demonstrates some of the most exciting features (instant
errorchecking, instant help, instant point-and-click)



Hi,

Do you know if there is any free program which can decode this demo? I have 
tried two flash players, based on libflash 0.4.13 and swfdec 0.3.6 
respectively, and neither one plays your demo.


  





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Re: same note, different accidentals

2006-11-14 Thread Lasse Rempe
Mats Bengtsson mats.bengtsson at ee.kth.se writes:

 You might want to use tricks like
(snip)
 To get a reasonable output.
 
/Mats

Thanks for the quick answer! That worked perfectly.

Lasse




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Re: LilyPondTool 2.10 demo

2006-11-14 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Monday 13 November 2006 23:37, Bertalan Fodor wrote:
 For a flash demo of the new LilyPondTool release please look at
 http://www.organum.hu/fileadmin/lilypondtool/parser.html

 It demonstrates some of the most exciting features (instant
 errorchecking, instant help, instant point-and-click)

Hi,

Do you know if there is any free program which can decode this demo? I have 
tried two flash players, based on libflash 0.4.13 and swfdec 0.3.6 
respectively, and neither one plays your demo.

-- 
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Re: virus warning: guile.exe

2006-11-14 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys

Helge Kruse escreveu:

Hello,

 

I installed Lilypond and now I get warnings from F-Prot about guile.exe. 
The virus scanner gives the warning:


 


  Infection: Possible a new variant of W32/Threat-HLLSI-based!Maximus

 

Is this infection real at the lilypond web server? If this only is a 


this is extremely unlikely. The LilyPond windows version is actually 
created on a Linux machine.


mistake of the scanner it comes probably by similarities of the compiled 
guile. Is there an easy way to compile lilypond in my cygwin environment 
to get rid of these annoying warnings?




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LilyPond log messages

2006-11-14 Thread Iain Archibald

Hi,

I get an error message in the log file which says:

programming error: Tie without heads.  Suicide
continuing, cross fingers

Well it seems to compile OK.  But I went throught he file and checked 
each tie (the tilde ~) to see that it went somewhere and they do now. 
Still get the same message.


Can anyone enlighten me??

Iain



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arabic / turkish / persian (and other ?) accidentals

2006-11-14 Thread Gunther Lippens
Hi,

As a composer/arranger I like Lilypond quite a lot, but a serious drawback for
me that it isn't possible to write music with the (quite a lot used) turkish
accidentals, I'm performing turkish  music myself.

Up til now, Lilypond only supports two accidental-symbols mapping a quarter tone
up and a quarter tone down. I read some mails on the mailinglists (by typing
turkish) e.g. and two major problems pop up : 

1/  quite some accidentals which are used by eastern musicians cannot be
engraved yet. Turkish classical music needs five types of flats and five types
of sharps. Arabic classical music uses some of these symbols used by the turkish
community, but these accidentals have a different meaning. Iranian musicians use
other accidentals (triangle-like accidentals : e.g. the koron). Turkish folk
musicians need accidentals with a numer above (just like a power function in
math) : si-bemol^{2} and si-bemol^{3} where the number indicates how many commas
(a comma being 1/53rd of an octave).

2/  with this plethora of symbols and meanings, quite a lot of difficulties
arise when wanting to map one of these accidentals to a tuning. A typical
example is arabic classical music where musicians from different countries play
the same piece of music from the same composer with the same score with the same
accidentals, yet their tuning of the quarter tones differs.

In order to keep things practical, I think it would be a great step forward if
these accidentals would be engravable without worrying about the tuning, that
is, as a first step. I saw that many people on the lists wanted to combine
midi-tuning and implementation of accidentals right away, I think the problem is
too complicated. Unless you let the user decide what the meaning of an
accidental is (e.g. by typing eseh35 instead of eseh, which could mean a
quartertone lowering 35 cents).


Greetings,

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Pitch/ octave notation

2006-11-14 Thread Peter O'Doherty

Hello,

Is it possible to indicate pitches in the format c4 instead of c'?  
And if not, does anybody know of any plans to create this possibility?


Many thanks,
Peter


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configure problem with lilypond 2.10

2006-11-14 Thread Guy Durrieu

Hello,

Trying as usual to build lilypond (2.10) on my machine (sun solaris 10)
I got a weird problem between gcc and flex (?).

Until now, with gcc 3.4.3 configure was almost OK.

With lilypond 2.10 :

either I keep gcc 3.4.3 and FlexLexer.h is normally found, but the
configure is not OK since gcc 4.x is now needed.

or I use gcc 4.0.3, but then FlexLexer.h is not found.

I  don't understand where is the problem.

Thanks in advance for any idea!

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Re: Pitch/ octave notation

2006-11-14 Thread Geoff Horton

Is it possible to indicate pitches in the format c4 instead of c'?


No, and I don't think it's possible because LilyPond will interpret
the digits 1, 2, and 4 after a pitch as referring to duration, not
octave.

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Lilypond 2.10.0 and Denemo

2006-11-14 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Hello everyone,

I've just installed the new Lilypond 2.10.0 on my Ubuntu system and was
wondering whether Denemo is compatible with this new version.  Can
anyone advise?

Although I've experimented with Lilypond before I'm still a novice, and
don't know Denemo at all, so any comments on good practice for using the
two together would be welcome. :-)

Many thanks,

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lilypondtool questions (2)

2006-11-14 Thread Stan Sanderson
I have two questions about lilypondtool (latest version on OS 10.4.8,  
PPC)


1. I'm using jEdit 4.3pre6 (planning to update to pre8). I have not  
found a way to initiate automatic bar-check as shown in your  
excellent flash demo. I have duplicated your entries to the best of  
my knowledge. E.g., the \tweak step works as shown in your demo. Is  
there a specific setting to activate the automatic bar-check?


2. Should I not use the experimental jEdit? I could reinstall v4.2 if  
that is required.


Many thanks!

Stan




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Re: Beaming strategy

2006-11-14 Thread Martial

hi,

try this

%--cut-
qbeam = {
#(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 8 * *) 1 4 'Staff)
#(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 8 * *) 2 4 'Staff)
#(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 8 * *) 3 4 'Staff)
}

{
g8 g  g  g  g  g  g  g
 \qbeam
g8 g  g  g  g  g  g  g
}

%---



In a 4/4 score, lilypond beams 8th notes as if it were a 2/2 score:
  g8 g  g  g  g  g  g  g  =  g8[ g g g] g[ g g g]



Is there some global setting to have 4/4 beaming in groups of two:
  g8 g  g  g  g  g  g  g  =  g8[ g] g[ g] g[ g] g[ g]





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Re: lilypondtool questions (2)

2006-11-14 Thread Bertalan Fodor

Stan Sanderson írta:
I have two questions about lilypondtool (latest version on OS 10.4.8, 
PPC)


1. I'm using jEdit 4.3pre6 (planning to update to pre8). I have not 
found a way to initiate automatic bar-check as shown in your excellent 
flash demo. I have duplicated your entries to the best of my 
knowledge. E.g., the \tweak step works as shown in your demo. Is there 
a specific setting to activate the automatic bar-check?
If you have too complex score or you have not defined the first duration 
it may happen that the barcheck doesnt work.


This will not work: { c d e f | }, but this will { c4 d e f | }


2. Should I not use the experimental jEdit? I could reinstall v4.2 if 
that is required.
No, you have to use at least pre6. Actually, this is the only tested 
version.


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Re: Chord, variables and comments [beginner]

2006-11-14 Thread Rick Hansen (aka RickH)



Mats Bengtsson-4 wrote:
 
 It seems that a standard preprocessor like m4 should be the best 
 solution to
 your problems. If you search the mailing list archives, you will find a 
 number
 of discussions related to preprocessors for purely textual replacement in
 LilyPond input files. LilyPond itself does not (and will not) include any
 such preprocessor, since it just would make the program larger and more
 complicated to support and since there are several freely available 
 preprocessors
 that can be used. On the other hand, it is possible to implement your 
 own functions
 in LilyPond, using the Scheme programming language, see the section
 Advanced tweaks with Scheme in the manual, but for your purpose, I think
 a standard preprocessor is simpler and better.
 
 /Mats
 
 Christophe Dang Ngoc Chan wrote:
 Hello,

 sorry if the question was already asked,
 but I didn't find the answer in the
 archive (maybe I don't know which keyword to use).

 So, I'd like to put the guitar chords into a variable in order to reuse
 them,
 e.g.

 GuitarChordC = {e, c   e g   c'   e'1}

 First, I would like to put the duration outside the variable
  GuitarChordC = {e, c   e g   c'   e'}
  { \GuitarChordC 1}
 but it does not seem to work. Is there any way to do something like that?

 Second, I'd like to put a comment, something like
  GuitarChordC^bla
 but it does not seem to work either. Is there any way to do something
 like that?

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and ported to many platforms.  I'm currently evaluating which one I like
better myself, so far I am leaning towards ML/I because it has nested
if/then/else/end and do/while structures, and it lets you fully define the
syntax and delimiters of your home-made macro language.



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Re: Chord, variables and comments [beginner]

2006-11-14 Thread Geoff Horton

The granddaddy, (developed in 1966), of macro processors ML/I is also free
and ported to many platforms.  I'm currently evaluating which one I like
better myself, so far I am leaning towards ML/I because it has nested
if/then/else/end and do/while structures, and it lets you fully define the
syntax and delimiters of your home-made macro language.


M4 has all of that but the do-while, and I've had considerable success
with it. Maybe I'll try to whip up a web page on it.

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Re: lilypondtool questions (2)

2006-11-14 Thread Stan Sanderson


On Nov 14, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Bertalan Fodor wrote:


Stan Sanderson írta:
I have two questions about lilypondtool (latest version on OS  
10.4.8, PPC)


1. I'm using jEdit 4.3pre6 (planning to update to pre8). I have  
not found a way to initiate automatic bar-check as shown in your  
excellent flash demo. I have duplicated your entries to the best  
of my knowledge. E.g., the \tweak step works as shown in your  
demo. Is there a specific setting to activate the automatic bar- 
check?
If you have too complex score or you have not defined the first  
duration it may happen that the barcheck doesnt work.


This will not work: { c d e f | }, but this will { c4 d e f | }


The flash demo appears to show an automatic bar-check symbol  
insertion. When I enter the second example (with the first note  
duration defined), nothing happens. However, if I manually insert the  
|, lilypondtool reports 1/1, as would be expected.


Perhaps I misinterpreted the demo.

Regards,

Stan

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Re: Lilypond 2.10.0 and Denemo

2006-11-14 Thread Mats Bengtsson

Probably, you will have to update the syntax of the file from Denemo
using convert-ly, but I wouldn't expect any other problems.

  /Mats

Quoting Joseph Wakeling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hello everyone,

I've just installed the new Lilypond 2.10.0 on my Ubuntu system and was
wondering whether Denemo is compatible with this new version.  Can
anyone advise?

Although I've experimented with Lilypond before I'm still a novice, and
don't know Denemo at all, so any comments on good practice for using the
two together would be welcome. :-)

Many thanks,

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Re: MIDI Output

2006-11-14 Thread Mats Bengtsson

This sounds very strange. Could you please post a small but complete
example that illustrates the problem. I assume that you use \relative.

  /Mats

Quoting Iain Archibald [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hi,

Just started using LilyPond and want to use the MIDI as well as 
layout.  I have just entered a bit of 4 part choral music and have a 
difference between the MIDI output and the printed version.  The Alto 
part ends one section on the D above middle C and restarts on a G 
flat above middle C.  Now I have represented this as:

d4.~ d8 r r r4. gf,4.
When I print this I get the expected result (i.e. the G below the D). 
The MIDI file seems to miss this and plays the G above the D.  The 
result is that for the rest of the piece the alto part is an octave 
high.


Is this a known problem??

Thanks
Iain




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Re: lilypondtool questions (2)

2006-11-14 Thread Bertalan Fodor


The flash demo appears to show an automatic bar-check symbol 
insertion. When I enter the second example (with the first note 
duration defined), nothing happens. However, if I manually insert the 
|, lilypondtool reports 1/1, as would be expected.
Yeah, I often write and delete a | to see the check. This is so fast, 
that can't be seen on the demo :-)
However, there is a macro: LilyPond  Staff/Voice  Count beats in last 
measure - this will do the same - but to the cursor position. You can 
set a shortcut for this (In Utilities  Global Options  Shortcuts).


Bert


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2006-11-14 Thread Cameron Horsburgh
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From: Cameron Horsburgh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: X X [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Triplets and Diddles

On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 12:36:54PM -0800, X X wrote:
 
Wow, thanks man, that really helps. Have you thought about making your
program visual at all? It would make these things SO much easier than
just typing in code. But, I like what you're doing here, so, thanks
again.
-Will Bennett, PK Yonge Developmental Research School Drumline, second
Snare (Hopefully first next year)


People keep asking to make the problem 'visual' --- I presume you mean point 
'n' click? --- but that's probably not going to happen, for a variety of 
reasons (look at http://lilypond.org/web/about/faq for a start!).  Once you've 
mastered the learning curve, though, you'll probably find that LilyPond is as 
quick as they come, and it's much more configurable too. 

Still, there are options, depending on your operating system. I don't know what 
exists in the Windows world, but in Linux-land there are NoteEdit, RoseGarden, 
Denemo which have GUIs and can export to LilyPond. You might also be able to 
use another GUI, and perhaps convert the output with one of the LilyPond 
convertors.

Another option is a halfway approach --- use a text editor that supports 
LilyPond. This makes things a lot easier, because it will highlight the 
structure of your file, run LilyPond for you, and a host of other things. For 
more info look at 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Editor-support.html#Editor-support
 
Finally, to add to my message yesterday have a look at Section 4 of the 2.10 
manual --- it's got lots of tips about how to structure your files to minimise 
problems.

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Re: Pitch/ octave notation

2006-11-14 Thread Geoff Horton

Is it possible to indicate pitches in the format c4 instead of c'?
And if not, does anybody know of any plans to create this possibility?


I'm wondering if this might not be something that relative music input
could help with. Are you familiar with it?

Geoff


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