Re: Usability Question
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Re: ps and pdf question
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Karl Hammar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anybody who wants to play tricks with ps files (and I am occasionally one of them) is free to invoke lilypond --ps, so this is a red herring. I agree with Laura: we should treat the .ps files are temporary and delete them. I have a script that does this automatically, but I think that deleting the .ps files is a good default option. Most users don't want ps, and many users who investigate the ps files won't know how to deal with them properly. Anybody who really wants a ps file can invoke with --ps. What is the big deal with pdf? From what I understand is that they are portable, but most pdf's I get from others does not show up good or at all in gv, xpdf or evince. It seems that they are portable in the sens that work with ths latest Adobe acrobat. For me, pdf means trouble. Why should I ever want to produce pdf's? And btw, the pdf's produces by current lilypond does not print either on my (postscript) printer. And IME (and I stress IME) pdf doesn't do what it says on the tin, anyway! In other words, it does NOT print accurately. I would LIKE to be able to print an A4 pdf on a sheet of A4 paper. It seems to me, however, that whatever I do, Acrobat always sticks the top left corner of the pdf in the top left corner of the printable area of the paper. Okay, that could well be down to crappy Windows drivers, and it could well work properly in *nix, but on Windows I either get a slightly smaller image than I should, or my top and left margins are slightly too big. (I don't normally give a monkeys about this, but other people might...) Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Hiding empty staves
Rutger wrote: Dear all, I don't know whether this will be helpful at all, or whether it will just be some silly remark from an inexperienced user, but at least it may prevent future inexperienced users from making the same mistake: I have been struggling with the same problem as Bob, and at first I also didn't succeed in making it work even when reading this thread. It turned out that I had rests at the beginning of the staff I wanted to hide, instead of the \skip command. Apparently (correct me if I'm wrong), rests (as opposed to a \skip) are considered real 'content', which is why they are not hidden. Yes, but the stave will be considered empty if it only contains full measure rests, like R1*3. /Mats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Usability Question
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Re: ps and pdf question
Anthony W. Youngman wrote: And IME (and I stress IME) pdf doesn't do what it says on the tin, anyway! In other words, it does NOT print accurately. I would LIKE to be able to print an A4 pdf on a sheet of A4 paper. It seems to me, however, that whatever I do, Acrobat always sticks the top left corner of the pdf in the top left corner of the printable area of the paper. Okay, that could well be down to crappy Windows drivers, and it could well work properly in *nix, but on Windows I either get a slightly smaller image than I should, or my top and left margins are slightly too big. I hope you have tried all possible settings of Page scaling in the Print window. Below the preview, it also specifies exactly what scaling is used for the printout (at least on my version of Acroread). /Mats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
bars at the end of a piece
Hallo, my question: What to do, to get the right form of a bar line at the end of a piece of music? I start with lilypond and don't find the answer in the tutorial. Thanks, jörn _ www.bycall24.de - kostenlose EMail Adresse mit Gratis-SMS und supergünstige Internet-Tarife ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LyricExtender again!
Mats et al,
Sorry, but this doesn't work on my Lilypond (2.10.0) The LyricExtender is still
missing when the lyrics are printed above the staff, and is present when I
print them below.
I suggest this is a bug, but would like to make sure before forwarding it to
bug-lilypond.
Best,
Vivian.
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From: Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vivian Barty-Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Thursday, 18 January, 2007 12:47:07 PM
Subject: Re: LyricExtender again!
In your example, you had forgotten to name the Voice context. Just
replace the
first line by
Voice = \new Voice = notes { c4 d8 d e4~ e }
and it seems to work as desired.
Another approach is to use the alignAboveContext property:
\score {
\new Staff = myStave \relative c'{
\Voice
}
\new Lyrics \with {alignAboveContext = myStave } { \set associatedVoice
= notes \Words } % above
\new Lyrics { \set associatedVoice = notes \Words } % below
}
Finally, I noticed that you didn't use the support for hyphens in
lyrics. Try
Words = \lyricmode { This4 does8 -- n't work4 __ }
to get a nicer result.
/Mats
Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:
I enter lyrics not using \addlyrics or \lyricsto because my music is
too rhythmically complex. I use
\set AssociatedVoice in the Lyrics context to control melismata - thus
LyricExtender and LyricHyphen objects.
Problem: If I want to print the lyrics above the notes, the extenders
don't print - presumably because the named AssociatedVoice context
doesn't exist at the time when the lyrics are printed.
I can print the Lyrics below the text and then use an #'extra-offset
but it seems clumsy.
Suggestions please?! See attached file - comment in/ out above and
below.
Many thanks,
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Re: bars at the end of a piece
Hallo, my question: What to do, to get the right form of a bar line at the end of a piece of music? I start with lilypond and don't find the answer in the tutorial. Thanks, jörn Hi Jörn, If you search the doc for bar lines you will find chapter 6.4.5.. Thomas ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ps and pdf question
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Anthony W. Youngman wrote: And IME (and I stress IME) pdf doesn't do what it says on the tin, anyway! In other words, it does NOT print accurately. I would LIKE to be able to print an A4 pdf on a sheet of A4 paper. It seems to me, however, that whatever I do, Acrobat always sticks the top left corner of the pdf in the top left corner of the printable area of the paper. Okay, that could well be down to crappy Windows drivers, and it could well work properly in *nix, but on Windows I either get a slightly smaller image than I should, or my top and left margins are slightly too big. I hope you have tried all possible settings of Page scaling in the Print window. Below the preview, it also specifies exactly what scaling is used for the printout (at least on my version of Acroread). Yes I have! The problem is simple - if I select scale to fit then I'm not getting an exact image, and if I select don't scale, the image is offset down and right by the non-printable margin. If I've gone to the trouble of telling the pdf what size paper I've got, I'd like to be able to print accurately on that size paper :-) I do not seem to be able to tell Acrobat to lay an A4 image exactly over a sheet of A4. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LyricExtender again!
I recommend you to upgrade to the latest stable version, 2.10.12, which
includes lots of bug fixes compared to 2.10.0. Among others, I seem to
recall some bugs related to extender lines.
/Mats
Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:
Mats et al,
Sorry, but this doesn't work on my Lilypond (2.10.0) The LyricExtender
is still missing when the lyrics are printed above the staff, and is
present when I print them below.
I suggest this is a bug, but would like to make sure before forwarding
it to bug-lilypond.
Best,
Vivian.
- Original Message
From: Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vivian Barty-Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Thursday, 18 January, 2007 12:47:07 PM
Subject: Re: LyricExtender again!
In your example, you had forgotten to name the Voice context. Just
replace the
first line by
Voice = \new Voice = notes { c4 d8 d e4~ e }
and it seems to work as desired.
Another approach is to use the alignAboveContext property:
\score {
\new Staff = myStave \relative c'{
\Voice
}
\new Lyrics \with {alignAboveContext = myStave } { \set associatedVoice
= notes \Words } % above
\new Lyrics { \set associatedVoice = notes \Words } % below
}
Finally, I noticed that you didn't use the support for hyphens in
lyrics. Try
Words = \lyricmode { This4 does8 -- n't work4 __ }
to get a nicer result.
/Mats
Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:
I enter lyrics not using \addlyrics or \lyricsto because my music is
too rhythmically complex. I use
\set AssociatedVoice in the Lyrics context to control melismata - thus
LyricExtender and LyricHyphen objects.
Problem: If I want to print the lyrics above the notes, the extenders
don't print - presumably because the named AssociatedVoice context
doesn't exist at the time when the lyrics are printed.
I can print the Lyrics below the text and then use an #'extra-offset
but it seems clumsy.
Suggestions please?! See attached file - comment in/ out above and
below.
Many thanks,
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Re: Usability Question
Bertalan Fodor escreveu: Yes, I'm working on it. Bert Brett Duncan írta: Bertalan Fodor wrote: A visual slur tweaking tool exists (see in the archives.) Have you tried that? I have now - and it's great! Bertalan, have you considered including this in/with LilyPondTool? If I ever get round to it, the meaning of the control-points property will be changed. The x-coordinate should be relative to the horizontal span of the slur/tie. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen LilyPond Software Design -- Code for Music Notation http://www.lilypond-design.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ps and pdf question
Anthony W. Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is simple - if I select scale to fit then I'm not getting an exact image, and if I select don't scale, the image is offset down and right by the non-printable margin. If the A4 document that you want to print includes (= leaves empty) the non-printable margins, you can instruct Acroreader or the printer driver to ignore the non-printable margins. This would give you an A4 to A4 mapping. -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Lilypondtool conf
Dear mailing list, I have some difficulties in using lilypondtools under Ubuntu The filename of the piece containing some whitespaces I'm getting the following error %lilypond %args /home/yoochan/classeur/lilypond/danse macabre - St Saens/alto.ly warning: cannot find file: `/home/yoochan/classeur/lilypond/danse' warning: cannot find file: `macabre' Processing `-' How could I avoid this ? Moreover, I would like to use evince instead of JPedal as pdf reader, does someone have some tips on how to do this ? ^_^ Yota ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypondtool conf
It's a bug in LilyPondTool. Don't use whitespaces in filenames. I don't recommend evince. The embedded JPedal has support for ruler, point-and-click, edit-in-place etc. Bert yota moteuchi írta: Dear mailing list, I have some difficulties in using lilypondtools under Ubuntu The filename of the piece containing some whitespaces I'm getting the following error %lilypond %args /home/yoochan/classeur/lilypond/danse macabre - St Saens/alto.ly warning: cannot find file: `/home/yoochan/classeur/lilypond/danse' warning: cannot find file: `macabre' Processing `-' How could I avoid this ? Moreover, I would like to use evince instead of JPedal as pdf reader, does someone have some tips on how to do this ? ^_^ Yota ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Recall: Voice / slur problem
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Re: Lilypondtool conf
How could I avoid this ? you need to use backslashes before each of the spaces like this: %lilypond %args /home/yoochan/classeur/lilypond/danse\ macabre\ -\ St\ Saens/alto.ly Moreover, I would like to use evince instead of JPedal as pdf reader, does someone have some tips on how to do this ? a lot of the specifics here depend on which window manager you are using (i.e. kde, gnome ...). if you're using kde, just right click on any pdf file and select properties. then push the button that looks like a wrench. here you can choose which program is the default for opening this file type and a lot of other things. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Voice / slur problem
The easiest solution is to exploit the clever trick provided in
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-01/msg00359.html
Then, there is no need to keep both ends of a tie in the same Voice
context. You should also read the section on Explicitly instantiating
voices to understand why the slurs didn't work when you used the
... \\ ... construct. Here's one version of your code that hopefully
is closer to what you wanted.
Notice that there's no need to use a \book block in your file (unless you
want more than a single output PDF file from the same input .ly file,
in which case you should have one \book block for each output PDF).
Following your .jpg example, I also added a \stemDown.
begin snippet %
%Section test
\version 2.10.0.1
\include english.ly
\header {
instrument = Piano
}
%Right hand
pianoRH = \context Voice = one
{
\voiceOne
\clef treble
\time 3/2
\tempo 4=112
%Measure 5
\time 4/4 \stemDown
\change Staff = bass
b,16\mf( fs b d'
\change Staff = treble
fs'16\ b' d'' fs''\!)~
\new Voice {fs'' r8. }
\change Staff = bass
{g16( b d' g'}
\change Staff = treble
b'16 d'' g'' b'') |
}
%Left hand
pianoLH = \context Voice = three
{
\voiceTwo
\clef bass
%Measure 5
s1 |
}
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\consists Tie_engraver
}
\context {
\Voice
\remove Tie_engraver
}
}
\score {
\context PianoStaff
\context Staff = treble
\pianoRH
\context Staff = bass
\pianoLH
}
/Mats
Palmer, Ralph wrote:
My apologies. I have tried to recall the first version of this message,
due to a misstatement. I'm trying (right now) to reproduce only the
piano part (i.e., the bottom two staves) in the measure in the attached
.jpg.
+ original message ++
Greetings -
I'm getting better at this, and LilyPond is becoming more clear all the
time. Thank you for your hard work and your help.
I still run into difficulties - here's my latest.
I'm trying to reproduce the measure in the attached slur problem.jpg.
Here's my best effort so far. Can anyone point me in the right, or at
least a good, direction?
Thank you for your time and help,
Ralph
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begin snippet %
%Section test
\version 2.10.0.1
\include english.ly
\header {
instrument = Piano
}
%Right hand
pianoRH = \context Voice = one
{
\voiceOne
\clef treble
\time 3/2
\tempo 4=112
%Measure 5
\time 4/4
\change Staff = bass
b16\mf( fs b d'
\change Staff = treble
fs'16\ b' d'' fs''\!)~
{fs'' r8. } \\
\change Staff = bass
{g16( b d' g'}
\change Staff = treble
b'16 d'' g'' b'') |
}
%Left hand
pianoLH = \context Voice = three
{
\voiceTwo
\clef bass
%Measure 5
s1 |
}
\book {
\score {
\context PianoStaff
\context Staff = treble
\pianoRH
\context Staff = bass
\pianoLH
}
}
%%% end snippet %%
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Re: Voice / slur problem
Palmer, Ralph wrote:
I'm trying (right now) to reproduce only the
piano part (i.e., the bottom two staves) in the measure in the attached
.jpg.
Because the two arpeggia overlap you actually have two voices, and
therefore need to typeset them in two voices.
In the following i use the treble-voice for the first and the bass-voice
for the second. (You need to change stem-direction and slur-direction
yourself)
-Rune
\version 2.10.0
\include english.ly
\header {
instrument = Piano
}
%Right hand
pianoRH = \context Voice = one
{
\clef treble
\time 3/2
\tempo 4=112
%Measure 5
\time 4/4
\change Staff = bass
b,16\mf( fs b d'
\change Staff = treble
fs'16\ b' d'' fs''\!)~
fs'' r8. s4
}
%Left hand
pianoLH = \context Voice = three
{
\clef bass
%Measure 5
s2 g16( b d' g'
\change Staff = treble
b' d'' g'' b'')
\change Staff = bass
|
}
\book {
\score {
\context PianoStaff
\context Staff = treble
\pianoRH
\context Staff = bass
\pianoLH
}
}
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Re: Voice / slur problem
Mats Bengtsson wrote: The easiest solution is to exploit the clever trick provided in http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-01/msg00359.html Really no need to use any tricks. The composer clearly sees the two arpeggii as separate voices and you therefore should represent them as such. -Rune ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Easier override access to shape note styles?
Hi, It's easy to override a notehead to a harmonic diamond with the usual override syntax: \once \override NoteHead #'style = #'harmonic On the other hand, the only way I can figure out to override a notehead to a filled diamond is with the shapeNoteStyles setting ... \once \set shapeNoteStyles = ##(mi mi mi mi mi mi mi) ... which is messier. Question: is there a way to access the shape note styles (like the filled diamon, tilted triangle, square, wedge, etc) with the usual override syntax instead with the shapeNoteStyles setting? -- Trevor Bača [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Easier override access to shape note styles?
Trevor Bača escreveu: Hi, It's easy to override a notehead to a harmonic diamond with the usual override syntax: \once \override NoteHead #'style = #'harmonic On the other hand, the only way I can figure out to override a notehead to a filled diamond is with the shapeNoteStyles setting ... \once \set shapeNoteStyles = ##(mi mi mi mi mi mi mi) ... which is messier. Question: is there a way to access the shape note styles (like the filled diamon, tilted triangle, square, wedge, etc) with the usual override syntax instead with the shapeNoteStyles setting? have you tried #'style= #'mi ? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen LilyPond Software Design -- Code for Music Notation http://www.lilypond-design.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Easier override access to shape note styles?
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Trevor Bača escreveu:
Hi,
It's easy to override a notehead to a harmonic diamond with the usual
override syntax:
\once \override NoteHead #'style = #'harmonic
On the other hand, the only way I can figure out to override a
notehead to a filled diamond is with the shapeNoteStyles setting ...
\once \set shapeNoteStyles = ##(mi mi mi mi mi mi mi)
... which is messier.
Question: is there a way to access the shape note styles (like the
filled diamon, tilted triangle, square, wedge, etc) with the usual
override syntax instead with the shapeNoteStyles setting?
have you tried
#'style= #'mi
?
Huh; you're right. I thought for sure I checked and that wasn't
possible. But it is.
%%% SHAPE NOTES WITH SIMPLE OVERRIDE %%%
\version 2.11.7
\new Staff {
\time 7/4
\once \override NoteHead #'style = #'do
c'4
\once \override NoteHead #'style = #'re
c'4
\once \override NoteHead #'style = #'mi
c'4
\once \override NoteHead #'style = #'fa
c'4
% no sol shape exists
s4
\once \override NoteHead #'style = #'la
c'4
\once \override NoteHead #'style = #'ti
c'4
}
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White diamond, black diamond, and possible small sponsorship?
Hi,
The black diamond shape notehead carries a different shape than the
white diamond harmonic notehead.
%%% BEGIN %%%
\version 2.11.7
\layout { ragged-right = ##t }
\new Staff {
\override NoteHead #'font-size = #3
\once \override NoteHead #'style = #'harmonic
c'4
\once \set shapeNoteStyles = ##(mi mi mi mi mi mi mi)
c'4
}
%%% END %%%
Does anyone know a way to get a black diamond notehead that carries
exactly the same shape as the white diamond harmonic (a filled
harmonic, in other words)?
I've poked around and don't believe this is currently possible.
If I'm correct and it is, in fact, not currently possible, would
anyone be interested in creating such a notehead? I'd be willing to
put a small bounty of some euros on it. (Seems like making this filled
harmonic glyph might be a fun side project for somebody who's been
looking for an excuse to dive in and modify the source, and therefore
might not distract Han-Wen, which is another bonus.)
If interested, please let me know ...
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Tremolo repeat with Staff change
Hi,
is there a simple way to typeset a tremolo repeat with a staff change
like the one attached?
i tried the following, but got some strange results:
if i run lilypond on the following snippet, the tremolo looks like
expected, but activating either octavation or staff change, the barcheck
fails and the tremolo bars don't follow the second chord to the upper
staff.
running 2.10.11 on winXP
best regards
rene brandenburger
--8--Snip--begin copy paste--Snip--8--
\version 2.10.11
\new PianoStaff {
\time 4/4
\context Staff = RH { % Right hand
\clef treble
\key c \major
\relative c' {
\skip 1 |
\skip 1 |
}
}
\context Staff = LH { % Left hand
\clef bass
\key c \major
\clef treble
\repeat tremolo 32
{
g' d'' g''64
%%\change Staff = RH
%%#(set-octavation 1)
a'' d''' a'''64
%%#(set-octavation 0)
%%\change Staff = LH
} |
\skip 1
}
}
--8--Snip--end copy paste--Snip--8--
Tremolo.png
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Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 50, Issue 56
2. In lilypond version 2.8 and earlier it was possible to notate as I'm wanting, so the newest lilypond version is a regress compared with earlier versions, and I'm insisting, that this is a bug. I don't think that lily 2.8 was supposed to do this; it was a fortunate bug. Why should *being able* to do something that ones wants to do (as long as it isn't harmful in some way) be considered a bug? I don't, I must admit, remember exactly what he was trying to do. Tim Reeves ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Fermata on final double bar
I am trying to typeset a piece of music that has a fermata above and below the final double barline. I have come across the \mark command in the manual, but am having difficulty getting it to work when there are no notes after it. Does anyone have any hints on how to typeset this? Does anyone have any idea what this means musically, i.e. maybe I'll just typeset the fermata over the final note! Thanks in advance Jonathan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Fermata on final double bar
Jonathan Henkelman wrote: I am trying to typeset a piece of music that has a fermata above and below the final double barline. I have come across the \mark command in the manual, but am having difficulty getting it to work when there are no notes after it. Does anyone have any hints on how to typeset this? Does anyone have any idea what this means musically, i.e. maybe I'll just typeset the fermata over the final note! Please read section 8.1.3 Text marks. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 50, Issue 56
Tim Reeves wrote: I don't think that lily 2.8 was supposed to do this; it was a fortunate bug. Why should *being able* to do something that ones wants to do (as long as it isn't harmful in some way) be considered a bug? He wasn't _telling_ lilypond to do it, and lilypond wasn't _deciding_ to do it. There was just a coincidence that it produced the result he wanted. It was an accident. Here's an example: pull one card from a deck of cards. The chance of getting that particular card is 1/52. Now stick that card back in the deck, shuffle it, and pull out another card. Don't complain if you don't get the same card as you did the first time. - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
20th century music
Hi, I' am a Lilypond-Beginner start working seriously now... Although I've studied all the documentation files I can't find a solution for the shown notation. Thank you for a hint ole attachment: poco_vibr.jpg ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 20th century music
Hello.
I' am a Lilypond-Beginner start working seriously now...
Although I've studied all the documentation files
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.8/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/TrillSpanner.html#TrillSpanner
I can't find a
solution for the shown notation.
%---BEGIN---
\version 2.8.7
theMusic = \relative c'' {
\time 4/4 |
\override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #3.0
\override Voice.TrillSpanner #'edge-text = #'( . )
e1~\startTrillSpan^\markup {(poco vibr.)} |
e2~ e\stopTrillSpan |
}
\score {
\theMusic
\layout {}
}
%---END---
Best,
Gilles
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making fermata effect the MIDI output? tempo along bezier curves?
When you see fermata in hymns, it almost always means hold the note longer, robbing the next note of some duration. If you do the durations explicitly, it messes up the meter and the printed sheet music. What would it take to get the fermata to show up in printed music, but have it do the time-robbing in the MIDI output? I'm thinking I'd like the duration of the fermata to be explicit, like it is with partial; g4\fermata 5*16 as an example. Then succeeding notes would be robbed until the lost time was made up, with no note being robbed of more than half its duration. Is there already something like this? It would be interesting to be able to set the tempo at various places, and have lilypond alter the durations in midi output to match the bezier curve generated by the tempo settings, so that at each place where the tempo is set, the tempo is exactly at the setting. Wonder what it would cost to sponsor that... I think this would help give a more human feel. And be nice to swap out curves; straight line curves, quartic curves... Ted -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Ted Walther Address: 2459 E 41 Ave, Vancouver, BC V5R2W2 (Canada) Contact: 604-435-5787 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: making fermata effect the MIDI output? tempo along bezier curves?
On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 03:01:04PM -0800, Ted Walther wrote: When you see fermata in hymns, it almost always means hold the note longer, robbing the next note of some duration. If you do the durations explicitly, it messes up the meter and the printed sheet music. What would it take to get the fermata to show up in printed music, but have it do the time-robbing in the MIDI output? What hymn books do you use? I've been around hymns for a while and I've never seen a fermata mean anything different to what it means everywhere else. Of course, that could just be me. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Cameron Horsburgh = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: making fermata effect the MIDI output? tempo along bezier curves?
I am using the description of the fermata in the Sacred Harp hymnal, first published in 1844, now in the 1991 Denson edition. In the preface it clearly describes the meaning of the fermata mark, the dot with a semicircle around it. Also in all the hymnals I've seen, the fermata marks means to hold the note longer. Ted On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:12:37AM +1100, Cameron Horsburgh wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 03:01:04PM -0800, Ted Walther wrote: When you see fermata in hymns, it almost always means hold the note longer, robbing the next note of some duration. If you do the durations explicitly, it messes up the meter and the printed sheet music. What would it take to get the fermata to show up in printed music, but have it do the time-robbing in the MIDI output? What hymn books do you use? I've been around hymns for a while and I've never seen a fermata mean anything different to what it means everywhere else. Of course, that could just be me. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Cameron Horsburgh = -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Ted Walther Address: 2459 E 41 Ave, Vancouver, BC V5R2W2 (Canada) Contact: 604-435-5787 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: making fermata effect the MIDI output? tempo along bezier curves?
Ted Walther ted at reactor-core.org writes: I am using the description of the fermata in the Sacred Harp hymnal, first published in 1844, now in the 1991 Denson edition. In the preface it clearly describes the meaning of the fermata mark, the dot with a semicircle around it. Also in all the hymnals I've seen, the fermata marks means to hold the note longer. Ted On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:12:37AM +1100, Cameron Horsburgh wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 03:01:04PM -0800, Ted Walther wrote: When you see fermata in hymns, it almost always means hold the note longer, robbing the next note of some duration. If you do the I think it's the robbing the next note of some duration part that I disagree with. My experience is that a fermata has no effect on the following note. From wikipedia, A fermata (or hold or pause) is an element of musical notation indicating that the note should be sustained for longer than its note value would indicate. Exactly how much longer it is held is up to the discretion of the performer, but twice as long is not unusual. It is usually printed above, but occasionally below (upside down), the note that is to be held longer. Occasionally holds are also printed above rests or barlines, indicating a pause of indefinite duration. Note that this also talks about the fermata above barline topic that we had a bit earlier. Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Fermata on final double bar
Graham Percival gpermus at gmail.com writes: Please read section 8.1.3 Text marks. Cheers, - Graham Thanks Graham - sorry to have missed that. The section does not deal with the issue of getting the second fermata under the last double bar though. Jonathan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: making fermata effect the MIDI output? tempo along bezier curves?
On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 04:27:54PM -0800, Ted Walther wrote: I am using the description of the fermata in the Sacred Harp hymnal, first published in 1844, now in the 1991 Denson edition. In the preface it clearly describes the meaning of the fermata mark, the dot with a semicircle around it. Also in all the hymnals I've seen, the fermata marks means to hold the note longer. That's correct. In my experience the beat is temporarily suspended, and resumes when the music does, and so there is no effect on any subsequent notes. I haven't seen anything like what you dexcribe, but I would be interested to see a copy of the preface you refer to. On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:12:37AM +1100, Cameron Horsburgh wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 03:01:04PM -0800, Ted Walther wrote: When you see fermata in hymns, it almost always means hold the note longer, robbing the next note of some duration. If you do the durations explicitly, it messes up the meter and the printed sheet music. What would it take to get the fermata to show up in printed music, but have it do the time-robbing in the MIDI output? What hymn books do you use? I've been around hymns for a while and I've never seen a fermata mean anything different to what it means everywhere else. Of course, that could just be me. -- = Cameron Horsburgh = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: making fermata effect the MIDI output? tempo along bezier curves?
I just looked through the prefatory material in the Sacred Harp and couldn't find the reference to robbing the next note of some time in a fermata. I must have read it somewhere else. I remembered it clearly because it did use the word robbing. That said, is there a way for the fermata to hold the note for some extra time in the MIDI output? Ted On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 01:10:07AM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: Ted Walther ted at reactor-core.org writes: I am using the description of the fermata in the Sacred Harp hymnal, first published in 1844, now in the 1991 Denson edition. In the preface it clearly describes the meaning of the fermata mark, the dot with a semicircle around it. Also in all the hymnals I've seen, the fermata marks means to hold the note longer. Ted On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:12:37AM +1100, Cameron Horsburgh wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 03:01:04PM -0800, Ted Walther wrote: When you see fermata in hymns, it almost always means hold the note longer, robbing the next note of some duration. If you do the I think it's the robbing the next note of some duration part that I disagree with. My experience is that a fermata has no effect on the following note. From wikipedia, A fermata (or hold or pause) is an element of musical notation indicating that the note should be sustained for longer than its note value would indicate. Exactly how much longer it is held is up to the discretion of the performer, but twice as long is not unusual. It is usually printed above, but occasionally below (upside down), the note that is to be held longer. Occasionally holds are also printed above rests or barlines, indicating a pause of indefinite duration. Note that this also talks about the fermata above barline topic that we had a bit earlier. Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Ted Walther Address: 2459 E 41 Ave, Vancouver, BC V5R2W2 (Canada) Contact: 604-435-5787 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
