Re: initial acciaccatura confuses things?

2007-08-22 Thread Mats Bengtsson
This bug is described in the manual in the section on grace notes, 
together with an explanation on how to solve the problem.


  /Mats

Quoting Ed Ravin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


I am trying to transcribe a piano piece that beings with a grace note in
the lower staff.

 lower = \relative c, {
  \clef bass
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4

 %   e4 fs g a |
  \acciaccatura bf,16 bf4   d' f4 ef g8 f a g bf a c |

 }

If I uncomment the e4 fs g a | line, then everything renders as expected.

But when the first element is the acciaccatura, everything renders weird.
The clefs and time signatures are drawn twice on the melody line and upper
staff, the time signature (but not the clef) is drawn twice on the lower
staff, and the acciaccatura on the lower staff is stretched across from
one time signature to the next.

What on earth is going on here?  For the details, see:

  http://www.panix.com/~eravin/brokenlily/broken.pdf

And the full LilyPond source file is there at:

  http://www.panix.com/~eravin/brokenlily/broken.ly.txt

I'm using LilyPond 2.10.29 on a G4 Mac OS 10.3.9.


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Re: Aligning instrument names - another try

2007-08-22 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/8/21, Michael Käppler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Maybe you could enhance your example by something like this:

 % To avoid inequal spacing if some systems start with a brace and others
 don't,
 % make all systems have braces and then optically remove the unwanted ones.

That is a good idea, but it doesn't always work, since in orchestral
scores, brackets are often comnibed with curly braces (besides, a
curly brace on three staves doesn't have the same thickness than a
curly brace on two staves, etc.)... so I just focused on the
instrument names when rewriting this snippet.

http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?u=1id=269

IMHO, the point is: it would be great if instrument names (or
ShortInstrumentNames) could be aligned to the left of the page,
regardless of what's coming on the right. I don't know if this is
possible (I somehow doubt it). But the discussion isn't over...

Regards,
Valentin


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Re: How to deal with Time Signatures horizontal alignment?

2007-08-22 Thread Joe Neeman
On Tuesday 21 August 2007 20:34, Valentin Villenave wrote:
 That being said, do you think it would be a good idea to make
 TimeSignature accept the break-alignable-interface?

No, because TimeSignature already accepts an interface 
(break-aligned-interface) that determines its horizontal position; it 
wouldn't make sense for it to accept another one. The cleanest way of getting 
this functionality into the lilypond core, in my opinion, would be to create 
a whole new grob class.

Joe


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Re: How to deal with Time Signatures horizontal alignment?

2007-08-22 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/8/22, Joe Neeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 No, because TimeSignature already accepts an interface
 (break-aligned-interface) that determines its horizontal position; it
 wouldn't make sense for it to accept another one. The cleanest way of getting
 this functionality into the lilypond core, in my opinion, would be to create
 a whole new grob class.

Thank you for your explanations; I'm not yet completely familiar with
all this stuff, but I'm getting closer.

Is it silly to suggest that maybe the break-aligned-interface itself
could accept some reference symbols?

Besides, can you explain why, in
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals-big-page#break_002daligned_002dinterface
the user settable properties mentions the old
break-align-symbol (symbol)
syntax, and how it could (or couldn't) be used to align such grobs as
TimeSignatures, which depends on break-aligned-interface? Or is this
indication deprecated?

Thank you very much for your time. This Break Alignment thing looks
quite important in understanding how LilyPond works.

Regards,
Valentin


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Re: initial acciaccatura confuses things?

2007-08-22 Thread Ed Ravin
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 08:04:47AM +0200, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
 This bug is described in the manual in the section on grace notes, 
 together with an explanation on how to solve the problem.

Funny, I've read that section many times, and even down to the bottom
when I was first learning LilyPond.  Just not recently.  I presume
you mean this bit under Bugs:

  A score that starts with an \grace section needs an explicit \context
  Voice declaration, otherwise the main note and grace note end up on
  different staves.

But it would be nice if the manual had an example.  I've tried this:

  \new Voice { \acciaccatura bf,16 bf4 d' f4 ef g8 f a g bf a c }|

And this:

  \context Voice { \acciaccatura bf,16 bf4 d' f4 ef g8 f a g bf a c }|

And neither one fixes the bug.



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Re: initial acciaccatura confuses things?

2007-08-22 Thread Mats Bengtsson



Ed Ravin wrote:

On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 08:04:47AM +0200, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
  
This bug is described in the manual in the section on grace notes, 
together with an explanation on how to solve the problem.



Funny, I've read that section many times, and even down to the bottom
when I was first learning LilyPond.  Just not recently.  I presume
you mean this bit under Bugs:

  A score that starts with an \grace section needs an explicit \context
  Voice declaration, otherwise the main note and grace note end up on
  different staves.

But it would be nice if the manual had an example. 
It does! The point you probably missed is that the \grace s16 should be 
inserted
in all the other staves, so that all staves begin with a grace note of 
some form
(\grace or \acciaccatura or \appoggiatura). I'll see if I can clarify 
this further
in the manual. A complete version of the example from the manual, 
including the fix, is


 \new Staff { e4 \bar |: \grace c16 d4 }
   \new Staff { c4 \bar |: \grace s16 d4 } 



 I've tried this:

  \new Voice { \acciaccatura bf,16 bf4 d' f4 ef g8 f a g bf a c }|

And this:

  \context Voice { \acciaccatura bf,16 bf4 d' f4 ef g8 f a g bf a c }|

And neither one fixes the bug.
  

Again, what you have to do is to insert a corresponding \grace s16 in the
upper part.

  /Mats



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Re: initial acciaccatura confuses things?

2007-08-22 Thread Mats Bengtsson

Now I realize that you didn't read the relevant part of the text.
What you should read is the paragraph starting with
Grace note synchronization can also lead to surprises. ...

  /Mats

Mats Bengtsson wrote:



Ed Ravin wrote:

On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 08:04:47AM +0200, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
 
This bug is described in the manual in the section on grace notes, 
together with an explanation on how to solve the problem.



Funny, I've read that section many times, and even down to the bottom
when I was first learning LilyPond.  Just not recently.  I presume
you mean this bit under Bugs:

  A score that starts with an \grace section needs an explicit \context
  Voice declaration, otherwise the main note and grace note end up on
  different staves.

But it would be nice if the manual had an example. 
It does! The point you probably missed is that the \grace s16 should 
be inserted
in all the other staves, so that all staves begin with a grace note of 
some form
(\grace or \acciaccatura or \appoggiatura). I'll see if I can clarify 
this further
in the manual. A complete version of the example from the manual, 
including the fix, is


 \new Staff { e4 \bar |: \grace c16 d4 }
   \new Staff { c4 \bar |: \grace s16 d4 } 



 I've tried this:

  \new Voice { \acciaccatura bf,16 bf4 d' f4 ef g8 f a g bf 
a c }|


And this:

  \context Voice { \acciaccatura bf,16 bf4 d' f4 ef g8 f a g 
bf a c }|


And neither one fixes the bug.
  

Again, what you have to do is to insert a corresponding \grace s16 in the
upper part.

  /Mats



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Re: initial acciaccatura confuses things?

2007-08-22 Thread Ed Ravin
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 03:15:53PM +0200, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
[...]
   A score that starts with an \grace section needs an explicit \context
   Voice declaration, otherwise the main note and grace note end up on
   different staves.
 
 But it would be nice if the manual had an example. 

 It does! The point you probably missed is that the \grace s16 should be 
 inserted
 in all the other staves, so that all staves begin with a grace note of 
 some form
 (\grace or \acciaccatura or \appoggiatura).

Aha, now it makes sense.  And there was no need for me to define
a new Voice context - adding this to the beginning of both the melody and
upper staves worked:

  %   extra grace note to work around LilyPond bug with the initial
  %   grace note in the lower staff
  \grace s16

Many thanks!

-- Ed


 A complete version of the example from the manual, 
 including the fix, is
 
  \new Staff { e4 \bar |: \grace c16 d4 }
\new Staff { c4 \bar |: \grace s16 d4 } 


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How does one write a title

2007-08-22 Thread Malcolm Lyons
Looks like a good programme. However, I have a problem writing the Title, 
Composer and comment about the tempo
Could you tell me how I could write the Title ONETWO composed by ML to the 
following

   \relative c' {
   \time 4/4  
c d e f
g a b c
  }
   \addlyrics { One two three four onr two three four }

Thank you
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how to combine standard and gregorian notation

2007-08-22 Thread Marek Klein
Hi,
I try to combine standard notation with gregorian notation like this:
section1 standard
section2 gregorian
section3 standard...
I am using \include  gregorian-init.ly  in second section. How should I
re-init before section3 to have back default formating?
Here you can see, how it looks like now:
 http://gregoriana.sk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/lily-example.png

Here is the source:
\version 2.10.5
% standard %%%
melody = \relative c' {
  \clef treble
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4

  a4 b c d
}
text = \lyricmode {
  Aaa Bee Cee Dee
}
\Score{
  
\new Voice = one {
  \autoBeamOff
  \melody
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto one \text
  
  \layout { }
\header{
  piece = A scale in LilyPond
}
}
% gregorian 
\include  gregorian-init.ly 
\layout {
\context {
\VaticanaStaff
 \revert StaffSymbol #'color
 \revert LedgerLineSpanner #'color
}
}
\Score {
   
 \new VaticanaVoice = cantus
 {
   \[ c'\melisma c' \flexa a \]
   \[ a \flexa \deminutum g\melismaEnd \]
   f \divisioMinima
   \[ f\melisma \pes a c' c' \pes d'\melismaEnd \]
   c' \divisioMinima
   \[ c'\melisma c' \flexa a \]
   \[ a \flexa \deminutum g\melismaEnd \] f \divisioMinima
 }
 \new Lyrics \lyricsto cantus {
  \set fontSize = #-3
   San- ctus, San- ctus, San- ctus
 }
   
\header{
  piece = Gregorian example
}
}
% standard 
\score{
  
\new Voice = one {
  \autoBeamOff
  \melody
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto one \text
  
  \layout { }
\header{
  piece = A scale in LilyPond after gregorian-ini
}
}

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Re: How does one write a title

2007-08-22 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/8/22, Malcolm Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Looks like a good programme.

This is quite an euphemism :)

 Could you tell me how I could write the Title ONETWO composed by ML to
 the following

Just insert it in a \header block:

\header {
  title= OneTwo
  composer= ML
}

You might want to read the section 10.2 in the manual, which is -you
won't believe me- entitled: Titles and headers. Similarly, you may
find useful tips in section 8.1.1 Text Scripts and 8.2.2 Metronome
Marks.

Regards,
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how to combine standard and gregorian notation

2007-08-22 Thread Marek Klein
Hi,
I try to combine standard notation with gregorian notation like this:

section1 standard
section2 gregorian
section3 standard...

I am using \include gregorian-init.ly  in second section. How should I
re-init before section3 to have back default formating?
Here you can see, how it looks like now:
 http://gregoriana.sk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/lily-example.png

Here is the source:
\version 2.10.5
% standard %%%
melody = \relative c' {
  \clef treble
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4

  a4 b c d
}
text = \lyricmode {
  Aaa Bee Cee Dee
}
\Score{
  
\new Voice = one {
  \autoBeamOff
  \melody
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto one \text
  
  \layout { }
\header{
  piece = A scale in LilyPond
}
}
% gregorian 
\include gregorian-init.ly 
\layout {
\context {
\VaticanaStaff
 \revert StaffSymbol #'color
 \revert LedgerLineSpanner #'color
}
}
\Score {
   
 \new VaticanaVoice = cantus
 {
   \[ c'\melisma c' \flexa a \]
   \[ a \flexa \deminutum g\melismaEnd \]
   f \divisioMinima
   \[ f\melisma \pes a c' c' \pes d'\melismaEnd \]
   c' \divisioMinima
   \[ c'\melisma c' \flexa a \]
   \[ a \flexa \deminutum g\melismaEnd \] f \divisioMinima
 }
 \new Lyrics \lyricsto cantus {
  \set fontSize = #-3
   San- ctus, San- ctus, San- ctus
 }
   
\header{
  piece = Gregorian example
}
}
% standard 
\score{
  
\new Voice = one {
  \autoBeamOff
  \melody
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto one \text
  
  \layout { }
\header{
  piece = A scale in LilyPond after gregorian-ini
}
}

Marek Klein,
http://gregoriana.sk
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Re: Arrow arpeggio

2007-08-22 Thread TiagoM

Nobody?

Can one do \arpeggioUp and erase the zig-zag line, then print a postscript
line at it's place?


Henrik Frisk wrote:
 
 
 Is there any easy solution to make an arrow (up or down) out of an
 arpeggio?
 Somenthing like \arpeggioUp or \arpeggioDown but instead of getting a
 zigzag
 line, get a straight arrowed line.
 
 I'd be interested in this too. From property-init.ly you can see that
 the stencil for the arpeggion object can be changed. Here's how it's set
 for the bracket:
 
  \override Arpeggio #'stencil = #ly:arpeggio::brew-chord-bracket
 
 Anybody knows if, and in that case how, to pass this object another
 stencil that draws a line? In safe-lily.scm only two values are listed
 for the ly:arpeggio: 'print' and 'brew-chord-bracket'
 
 /henrik
 
 
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songbooks with guitar tablature

2007-08-22 Thread Roy Zimmerman
Hi --

I intend to produce songbooks of my songs in piano/vocal format with occasional
lines of guitar tablature.  Is Lilypond capable of doing that?

Thank you,

Roy



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RE: songbooks with guitar tablature

2007-08-22 Thread Ed Ardzinski
Hi Roy!
 
Yes, Lilypond supports tab.  In the version I use (2.6.5) the guitar tab is a 
little limited compared to what you sometimes see for wild rock guitar solo's, 
but it should be effective for things that don't need advanced guitar 
technique.  I'm not sure if the newer versions have added any more tab 
functions.  As you mention occasional lines of guitar tab, you should be able 
to do it.



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 guitar tablature Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:35:34 +  Hi --  I intend 
 to produce songbooks of my songs in piano/vocal format with occasional lines 
 of guitar tablature. Is Lilypond capable of doing that?  Thank you,  Roy 
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pictures in score

2007-08-22 Thread Marek Klein
Hi, is it possible to have pictures in lilypond score, or lilypond book?

Marek Klein,
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Re: pictures in score

2007-08-22 Thread Dominic Neumann
With lilypond-book this isn´t a problem because you can create normal LaTeX
documents with everything you know from LaTeX ...

2007/8/22, Marek Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi, is it possible to have pictures in lilypond score, or lilypond book?

 Marek Klein,
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how to combine standard and gregorian notation

2007-08-22 Thread Marek Klein
Hi,
I try to combine standard notation with gregorian notation like this:
section1 standard
section2 gregorian
section3 standard...
I am using \include gregorian-init.ly  in second section. How should I
re-init before section3 to have back default formating?
Here you can see, how it looks like now:
 http://gregoriana.sk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/lily-example.png

Here is the source:
\version 2.10.5
% standard %%%
melody = \relative c' {
  \clef treble
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4

  a4 b c d
}
text = \lyricmode {
  Aaa Bee Cee Dee
}
\Score{
  
\new Voice = one {
  \autoBeamOff
  \melody
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto one \text
  
  \layout { }
\header{
  piece = A scale in LilyPond
}
}
% gregorian 
\include gregorian-init.ly 
\layout {
\context {
\VaticanaStaff
 \revert StaffSymbol #'color
 \revert LedgerLineSpanner #'color
}
}
\Score {
   
 \new VaticanaVoice = cantus
 {
   \[ c'\melisma c' \flexa a \]
   \[ a \flexa \deminutum g\melismaEnd \]
   f \divisioMinima
   \[ f\melisma \pes a c' c' \pes d'\melismaEnd \]
   c' \divisioMinima
   \[ c'\melisma c' \flexa a \]
   \[ a \flexa \deminutum g\melismaEnd \] f \divisioMinima
 }
 \new Lyrics \lyricsto cantus {
  \set fontSize = #-3
   San- ctus, San- ctus, San- ctus
 }
   
\header{
  piece = Gregorian example
}
}
% standard 
\score{
  
\new Voice = one {
  \autoBeamOff
  \melody
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto one \text
  
  \layout { }
\header{
  piece = A scale in LilyPond after gregorian-ini
}
}

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Re: how to combine standard and gregorian notation

2007-08-22 Thread Charlotte

Marek,

I couldn't get your code to compile at all at first until I fixed a couple
of simple problems.

I think you need to remove the spaces within the quotes in your \include
(should be \include gregorian-init.ly).

Also, you've got upper-case 'S' in your first two \Score marks. This needs
to be lower-case: \score

Once I fixed these, it compiled okay and I could reproduce your image.

I think you're having the same problem I had recently with a similar
document. I eventually figured out from another post on here that somewhere
in gregorian-init.ly is a property called 'packed-spacing' which is needed
for gregorian notation but plays havoc with spacing in standard notation
sections which come after the \include. To fix it, you need to put

\override Timing.SpacingSpanner #'packed-spacing =##f

into your 'standard' notation to turn this off again. 

Incidentally, you don't need to put the \include just before the gregorian
notation. It can go anywhere in the Lily file, but I put any \includes at
the top under \version so that I can see instantly which other files a .ly
file is referring to.  

I think the first scale looks fine in your image file because it's before
the \include in your file - but remember if you move the \include to the top
of your Lily file, you'll need to insert the \override into the melody
itself to ensure that it's always applied whenever the standard notation is
referenced. 

If you're doing a project which switches often between gregorian and
standard notation, you may find it easier to put the packed-spacing override
into a \global identifier which you can then just drop into all the standard
notation scores (like the ChoirStaff example in the manual).

Charlotte.



Marek Klein-2 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I try to combine standard notation with gregorian notation like this:
 section1 standard
 section2 gregorian
 section3 standard...
 I am using \include gregorian-init.ly  in second section. How should I
 re-init before section3 to have back default formating?
 Here you can see, how it looks like now:
  http://gregoriana.sk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/lily-example.png
 
 Here is the source:
 \version 2.10.5
 % standard %%%
 melody = \relative c' {
   \clef treble
   \key c \major
   \time 4/4
 
   a4 b c d
 }
 text = \lyricmode {
   Aaa Bee Cee Dee
 }
 \Score{
   
 \new Voice = one {
   \autoBeamOff
   \melody
 }
 \new Lyrics \lyricsto one \text
   
   \layout { }
 \header{
   piece = A scale in LilyPond
 }
 }
 % gregorian 
 \include gregorian-init.ly 
 \layout {
 \context {
 \VaticanaStaff
  \revert StaffSymbol #'color
  \revert LedgerLineSpanner #'color
 }
 }
 \Score {

  \new VaticanaVoice = cantus
  {
\[ c'\melisma c' \flexa a \]
\[ a \flexa \deminutum g\melismaEnd \]
f \divisioMinima
\[ f\melisma \pes a c' c' \pes d'\melismaEnd \]
c' \divisioMinima
\[ c'\melisma c' \flexa a \]
\[ a \flexa \deminutum g\melismaEnd \] f \divisioMinima
  }
  \new Lyrics \lyricsto cantus {
   \set fontSize = #-3
San- ctus, San- ctus, San- ctus
  }

 \header{
   piece = Gregorian example
 }
 }
 % standard 
 \score{
   
 \new Voice = one {
   \autoBeamOff
   \melody
 }
 \new Lyrics \lyricsto one \text
   
   \layout { }
 \header{
   piece = A scale in LilyPond after gregorian-ini
 }
 }
 
 Marek Klein,
 http://gregoriana.sk
 Slovakia
 
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Re: How to deal with Time Signatures horizontal alignment?

2007-08-22 Thread Joe Neeman
On Wednesday 22 August 2007 21:30, Valentin Villenave wrote:
 2007/8/22, Joe Neeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  No, because TimeSignature already accepts an interface
  (break-aligned-interface) that determines its horizontal position; it
  wouldn't make sense for it to accept another one. The cleanest way of
  getting this functionality into the lilypond core, in my opinion, would
  be to create a whole new grob class.

 Thank you for your explanations; I'm not yet completely familiar with
 all this stuff, but I'm getting closer.

 Is it silly to suggest that maybe the break-aligned-interface itself
 could accept some reference symbols?

The objects with break-aligned-interface can't accept reference symbols 
because they _are_ the reference symbols.

 Besides, can you explain why, in
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals-big-pag
e#break_002daligned_002dinterface the user settable properties mentions
 the old
 break-align-symbol (symbol)
 syntax, and how it could (or couldn't) be used to align such grobs as
 TimeSignatures, which depends on break-aligned-interface?

Yes, this double use of break-align-symbol is a little confusing. In the 
break-aligned-interface, break-align-symbol is for naming the reference 
point. That is, a TimeSignature has break-align-symbol set to 'time-sig. 
Then, if a RehearsalMark has break-align-symbols set to '(time-sig), it will 
align itself on the TimeSignature.

Cheers,
Joe


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Re: how to combine standard and gregorian notation

2007-08-22 Thread Marek Klein
Charlotte,
many thanks for your help.
Where exactly did  you put \override ?

Marek

2007/8/22, Charlotte [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 I think you're having the same problem I had recently with a similar
 document. I eventually figured out from another post on here that
 somewhere
 in gregorian-init.ly is a property called 'packed-spacing' which is needed
 for gregorian notation but plays havoc with spacing in standard notation
 sections which come after the \include. To fix it, you need to put

 \override Timing.SpacingSpanner #'packed-spacing =##f

 into your 'standard' notation to turn this off again.

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Re: how to combine standard and gregorian notation

2007-08-22 Thread Marek Klein
2007/8/22, Charlotte [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 I think you're having the same problem I had recently with a similar
 document. I eventually figured out from another post on here that
 somewhere
 in gregorian-init.ly is a property called 'packed-spacing' which is needed
 for gregorian notation but plays havoc with spacing in standard notation
 sections which come after the \include. To fix it, you need to put

 \override Timing.SpacingSpanner #'packed-spacing =##f

 into your 'standard' notation to turn this off again.

 Charlotte.


Many thanks for your help!
Where exactly did you put it? Which version of Lilypond do you use?

Marek
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Re: pictures in score

2007-08-22 Thread Vivian Barty-Taylor
It's also possible in Lilypond - just add the picture as an EPS markup.  
The syntax is:


\markup { \epsfile #1 #1 #filename.eps }

Also see the documentation - 8.1.6 Overview of  text markup commands.

If you have your image as a bitmap, Inkscape is a good piece of free  
software which allows you to save as .eps


Hope this helps,

Vivian.

On Aug 22, 2007, at 10:16 PM, Dominic Neumann wrote:

With lilypond-book this isn´t a problem because you can create normal  
LaTeX documents with everything you know from LaTeX ...


2007/8/22, Marek Klein  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Hi, is it possible to  
have pictures in lilypond score, or lilypond book?


Marek Klein,
Slovakia
http://gregoriana.sk

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