Re: Converting lilypond to music xml

[Johan Vromans]

Alastair Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'd be very surprised if this hasn't been asked before, but searches
> of the archives haven't turned up anything useful.  Is there any way
> of converting lilypond files into music xml?  If not, are there any
> plans for such a tool?
> 
> I use software to convert music into Braille, and it only accepts
> input in xml.  Currently, my only method is to do OCR on the pdf
> output and then correct any errors, which seems rather ludicrous.

Would the following be an acceptable workaround (for the time being):

 - produce MIDI with LilyPond
 - use Rosegarden to import the MIDI, and export MusicXML

It's probably not perfect, but may be easier and give better reults
than OCRing the PDF...

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Re: start of lilypond

[Paul Scott]

Heinz Lehmann wrote:
> Dear sir,
>
> Lilypond has been installed on Windows XP. It does not start by double 
> clickung 
> on the lilypondsymbol on the desktop or below programs. The samples as well
> cannot be started. The programs provided by internet as well as the download
> were working fine.
>   
LilyPond is not a point-and-click program. 
> Please give instructions how to overcome this problem.
>   
You must start here depending on which version you installed:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/   (stable version)
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/   (development version)

HTH

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start of lilypond

[Heinz Lehmann]

Dear sir,

Lilypond has been installed on Windows XP. It does not start by double clickung 
on the lilypondsymbol on the desktop or below programs. The samples as well
cannot be started. The programs provided by internet as well as the download
were working fine.
Please give instructions how to overcome this problem.

kind regards
H.Lehmann



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Re: Putting 'instrument' on the left side of the page

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi all,

What I'd like to do is modify the standard files so you can just  
tell lilypond

what sort of header you'd like - orchestral, band, whatever - without
the fuss of people of "other traditions" having to have personal  
modifications.


It would also be great to have the ability to define header  
properties on the fly!


Cheers,
Kieren.


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Re: Time signatures (Common, Cut Common)

[Dominic Neumann]

As you can see at
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/TimeSignature#TimeSignatureyou
can say
\override Staff.TimeSignature #'style = #'C
to reset the TimeSignature behaviour to the default.

Here (
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Ancient-time-signatures#Ancient-time-signatures)
you can see that
\override Staff.TimeSignature #'style = #'default
works, too. There are also some other styles you can define.

Dominic


2008/8/25 Anthony W. Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> It's not in the manual, and I can't search the LSR because it's down ...
>
> I want time signatures of "Common" and "Cut Common" in my music. I know
> they're the default settings, but I've already put
>
> \override Staff.TimeSignature #'style = #'()
>
> at the start of my piece to give me an opening time sig of 4/4
>
> What do I need to reset it to to give me common time later in the piece?
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
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Re: Putting 'instrument' on the left side of the page

[Anthony W. Youngman]

In message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Valentin 
Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes

2008/8/24 Maarten Deen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Thanks, that's exactly what I need (and no, I had no idea to look there).
I expect it will be overwritten when I do an upgrade? Just to make a mental
note to edit it again when I do.


If you modify the titling-init source file, it will be overwritten. If
you include the modified \paper definition in _your_ ly score,  as
demonstrated in my former mail, it will remain unchanged (that's the
cool part ;-)


Thanks. I'll note all that too.

(As for asking nicely on the list, it does depend on luck ... I've 
mentioned it here before, asking "how do I do it?", and got nowhere...)


What I'd like to do is modify the standard files so you can just tell 
lilypond what sort of header you'd like - orchestral, band, whatever - 
without the fuss of people of "other traditions" having to have personal 
modifications.


Cheers,
Wol
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Re: Time signatures (Common, Cut Common)

[Patrick McCarty]

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:56:11AM +0100, Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
> It's not in the manual, and I can't search the LSR because it's down ...
>
> I want time signatures of "Common" and "Cut Common" in my music. I know  
> they're the default settings, but I've already put
>
> \override Staff.TimeSignature #'style = #'()
>
> at the start of my piece to give me an opening time sig of 4/4
>
> What do I need to reset it to to give me common time later in the piece?

Hi Anthony,

All you have to do is put

\revert Staff.TimeSignature #'style

at the appropriate spot, and this will revert to the default style.

The default style for the TimeSignature grob is 'C, so the following
line would work too:

\override Staff.TimeSignature #'style = #'C

HTH,
Patrick


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Time signatures (Common, Cut Common)

[Anthony W. Youngman]

It's not in the manual, and I can't search the LSR because it's down ...

I want time signatures of "Common" and "Cut Common" in my music. I know 
they're the default settings, but I've already put


\override Staff.TimeSignature #'style = #'()

at the start of my piece to give me an opening time sig of 4/4

What do I need to reset it to to give me common time later in the piece?

Cheers,
Wol
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Re: Converting lilypond to music xml

[Valentin Villenave]

2008/8/24 Alastair Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I'd be very surprised if this hasn't been asked before, but searches of the
> archives haven't turned up anything useful.  Is there any way of converting
> lilypond files into music xml?  If not, are there any plans for such a tool?

This is registered as a feature request. All we need now is enough
resources (people, skills, time) to implement it.

> I use software to convert music into Braille, and it only accepts input in
> xml.  Currently, my only method is to do OCR on the pdf output and then
> correct any errors, which seems rather ludicrous.

With some luck we'll have native Braille support for LilyPond before
MusicXML export; at least one person has already been working on it
and I hope he'll have enough time to achieve it some day.

Cheers,
Valentin


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Re: Putting 'instrument' on the left side of the page

[Patrick Horgan]

Maarten Deen wrote:
Lilypond
has as standard setting that the instrument is put centered below the
title, subtitle, etc.
  
But I'm used to the first page having the intrument set at the left
side of the page (where Poet is placed) and only for subsequent pages
the instrument is set top center.
  
In fact, I've been looking at my scores and all have this setup.
  
  
Can this be done in lilypond? Having the instrument on the left side of
the page on the first page only?
  

Staff.instrumentName works quite a bit like this, i.e. show on the left
of the first system only on the first page. e.g. \set
Staff.instrumentName = "Violin" will result in Violin to the left
of the first system next to the violin's staff.

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Re: Lyrics independent of notes

[Mats Bengtsson]

Hold the horses, there seems to be a regression bug lurking
around here. I happened to have a copy of 2.11.34 installed
and using that, the two lyric lines in the following example
have the same alignment, whereas with 2.11.56 all syllables
of the bottom line are left aligned with the notes. I definitely
prefer the behaviour of 2.11.34.

mylyrics = \lyricmode {
 Default
 \override LyricText #'self-alignment-X = #LEFT Left
 \override LyricText #'self-alignment-X = #CENTER Center
 \override LyricText #'self-alignment-X = #RIGHT Right
}

<<
\new Staff \new Voice = v {c' d' e' f'}
\new Staff \new Voice {c'2 d'4 e'8 f'8}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto v \mylyrics
\new Lyrics \mylyrics
>>


   /Mats

Mats Bengtsson wrote:

Trevor Daniels wrote:



The warnings are not exactly errors. Another thread with the words
"durations needed" in which Mats explained very well some related
issues, can be of help.


I've now been able to check back to 2.10.34, and the
warnings were issued there too.  Seems like they might
have been there a long time.  Perhaps all it needs
is a note in the manual to say warnings are expected.


Yes, as far as I can remember, these warnings have always
appeared when you use the Devnull trick. If you search the
mailing list archives, you'll find that Han-Wen has never
really agreed that this is a good way to do things. However,
I think that it's a clever trick that can be useful from time to
time. The manual should also point out that the alignment
will not be exactly the same as if you use \lyricsto or set
associatedVoice, but since you only need the Devnull trick
in situation where you do not have any typeset Voice to
associate the syllables to, I don't find it a critical issue.


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Re: Converting lilypond to music xml

[Hajo Dezelski]

Hello,

it has been discussed before and it has been excepted for future
implementation.
Have a look at

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-08/msg00838.html .
Have a look at the whole thread. There are two additional links.

I want to use it to tweek the midi code.

>> Valentin:
>> I believe you have a point (no matter how one can feel about the
>> quality of computer-generated music).

>In general this may be discussed but lent your ear to examples of what has
been >accomplished with midi and the "right"  sounds ;-).

http://www.garritan.com/audio/index.html


>And there is a lot of music on this page which is a direct output from
Midifiles >generated by notationsoftware.

Cheers
   Hajo


2008/8/24 Alastair Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hello List
>
> I'd be very surprised if this hasn't been asked before, but searches of the
> archives haven't turned up anything useful.  Is there any way of converting
> lilypond files into music xml?  If not, are there any plans for such a tool?
>
> I use software to convert music into Braille, and it only accepts input in
> xml.  Currently, my only method is to do OCR on the pdf output and then
> correct any errors, which seems rather ludicrous.
>
> Alastair Irving
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Re: Lyrics independent of notes

[Mats Bengtsson]

Trevor Daniels wrote:



The warnings are not exactly errors. Another thread with the words
"durations needed" in which Mats explained very well some related
issues, can be of help.


I've now been able to check back to 2.10.34, and the
warnings were issued there too.  Seems like they might
have been there a long time.  Perhaps all it needs
is a note in the manual to say warnings are expected.


Yes, as far as I can remember, these warnings have always
appeared when you use the Devnull trick. If you search the
mailing list archives, you'll find that Han-Wen has never
really agreed that this is a good way to do things. However,
I think that it's a clever trick that can be useful from time to
time. The manual should also point out that the alignment
will not be exactly the same as if you use \lyricsto or set
associatedVoice, but since you only need the Devnull trick
in situation where you do not have any typeset Voice to
associate the syllables to, I don't find it a critical issue.


  /Mats


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Re: Putting 'instrument' on the left side of the page

[Paul Scott]

On Aug 24, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:


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Am Sonntag, 24. August 2008 schrieb Maarten Deen:

Valentin Villenave wrote:

It's not so hard, really. Just copy the appropriate definition from
the source code (the relevant file is titling-init.ly), and redefine


Thanks, that's exactly what I need (and no, I had no idea to look  
there).
I expect it will be overwritten when I do an upgrade? Just to make  
a mental

note to edit it again when I do.


Actually, you can copy that definition to your own .ly file (either  
each of

your files, or you create one "stylesheet" containing all your
customizations, which you then include into all your .ly files).


I just usually use the \header fields piece or poet for the  
instrument.  These fields are both on the left already.


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Re: Putting 'instrument' on the left side of the page

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Am Sonntag, 24. August 2008 schrieb Maarten Deen:
> Valentin Villenave wrote:
> > It's not so hard, really. Just copy the appropriate definition from
> > the source code (the relevant file is titling-init.ly), and redefine
>
> Thanks, that's exactly what I need (and no, I had no idea to look there).
> I expect it will be overwritten when I do an upgrade? Just to make a mental
> note to edit it again when I do.

Actually, you can copy that definition to your own .ly file (either each of 
your files, or you create one "stylesheet" containing all your 
customizations, which you then include into all your .ly files).

Cheers,
Reinhold

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Re: Putting 'instrument' on the left side of the page

[Valentin Villenave]

2008/8/24 Maarten Deen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Thanks, that's exactly what I need (and no, I had no idea to look there).
> I expect it will be overwritten when I do an upgrade? Just to make a mental
> note to edit it again when I do.

If you modify the titling-init source file, it will be overwritten. If
you include the modified \paper definition in _your_ ly score,  as
demonstrated in my former mail, it will remain unchanged (that's the
cool part ;-)

Cheers,
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Re: Putting 'instrument' on the left side of the page

[Maarten Deen]

Valentin Villenave wrote:

2008/8/24 Anthony W. Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Maarten Deen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes

Can this be done in lilypond? Having the instrument on the left side of
the page on the first page only?


You need to rewrite the code that produces the header. I keep on intending
to do it, but alas the problem is always finding time ...


It's not so hard, really. Just copy the appropriate definition from
the source code (the relevant file is titling-init.ly), and redefine
it.


Until we step up and do some coding (or pay for others to do it for us),
lilypond won't address our needs that well. Note I'm not complaining -
that's just the way Free Software works ...


Oh, please don't cry. Most of the time all you need to do is ask
nicely on the list. Here's the code you want (and please note that i
am _not_ a coder at all, just a musician; all I did is add _one_
percent character in the definition):


Thanks, that's exactly what I need (and no, I had no idea to look there).
I expect it will be overwritten when I do an upgrade? Just to make a mental note 
to edit it again when I do.


Regards,
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Re: Putting 'instrument' on the left side of the page

[Valentin Villenave]

2008/8/24 Anthony W. Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Maarten Deen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes
>> Can this be done in lilypond? Having the instrument on the left side of
>> the page on the first page only?
>
> You need to rewrite the code that produces the header. I keep on intending
> to do it, but alas the problem is always finding time ...

It's not so hard, really. Just copy the appropriate definition from
the source code (the relevant file is titling-init.ly), and redefine
it.

> Until we step up and do some coding (or pay for others to do it for us),
> lilypond won't address our needs that well. Note I'm not complaining -
> that's just the way Free Software works ...

Oh, please don't cry. Most of the time all you need to do is ask
nicely on the list. Here's the code you want (and please note that i
am _not_ a coder at all, just a musician; all I did is add _one_
percent character in the definition):



\header {
  instrument = tagada
}
\paper {
  bookTitleMarkup = \markup {
\override #'(baseline-skip . 3.5)
\column {
  \fill-line { \fromproperty #'header:dedication }
  \override #'(baseline-skip . 3.5)
  \column {
\huge \bigger \bold
\fill-line {
  \bigger \fromproperty #'header:title
}
\fill-line {
  \large \smaller \bold
  \bigger \fromproperty #'header:subtitle
}
\fill-line {
  \smaller \bold
  \fromproperty #'header:subsubtitle
}
\fill-line {
  %\fromproperty #'header:poet %HERE!
  { \large \bold \fromproperty #'header:instrument }
  \fromproperty #'header:composer
}
\fill-line {
  \fromproperty #'header:meter
  \fromproperty #'header:arranger
}
  }
}
  }
}

\relative c {c d e f }




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Converting lilypond to music xml

[Alastair Irving]

Hello List

I'd be very surprised if this hasn't been asked before, but searches of 
the archives haven't turned up anything useful.  Is there any way of 
converting lilypond files into music xml?  If not, are there any plans 
for such a tool?


I use software to convert music into Braille, and it only accepts input 
in xml.  Currently, my only method is to do OCR on the pdf output and 
then correct any errors, which seems rather ludicrous.


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Re: lyrics

[Lara Diamand]

Thanks!!
And thanks to everybody that replied! I finaly got my song right, I'm very
greatful. Since I'm not a real Lilypond-hero, it takes a lot of time for me
to work things out and it is very comforting that after 3 hours of searching
myself (that is my timelimit for a problem) there is a forum where people
actually do know their stuff!

greetings, Lara

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 4:38 PM, James E. Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> The problem is the last measure of the left hand of the piano. There are
> only three beats in the measure. Changing it from : 
>   \bar ":|"
> to
> r4 \bar ":|"
> should solve your problem.
>
> Am 23.08.2008 um 16:28 schrieb Lara Diamand:
>
> Hi Dominic,
>
> Here is my file, I send you the whole thing, because I don't know what part
> of it I should choose. I do feel a bit stupid about all my queations, but
> somehow I don't whink I'm the only "amateur" around.
> Thanks again,
>
> Lara
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Hi Lara,
>>
>> PLEASE give us some source code. Then we can probably help you! It´s much
>> easier for us if we do not have to create a sample for ourselves.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dominic
>>
>> 2008/8/23 Lara Diamand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>>  Thanks everyone for the help with the skipping of text! It worked well
>>> with the "_" sign.
>>> Remains my other question if one can get rid of the extra repeat bar just
>>> before the end. Lilypond is very firm: If you start with \partial 4 at the
>>> beginning of a song you should end with 3 notes instead of 4... and Ireally
>>> want 4 in the bar there.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Mats Bengtsson <
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 Quoting Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

  Lara Diamand wrote:
>
>> Hi Dominic,
>>
>> Thanks, this realy helps, one thing is not yet solves though: The text
>> in the verses do not tek notice of the "volta", so the text in verse
>> two runs through under volta 1. It should skip volta1 and go straight
>> to volta 2.
>>
> That's the way Lily works.  It may not be completely intuitive.  The
> lyrics just go along straight following the notes ignoring any other
> structural commands like \volta and \alternative.  You have to put
> skips
> in your music to skip endings, etc. where you don't want lyrics.  I
> usually do this with "_" (underscore).
>

 An alternative is to use the method described in section "Divisi lyrics"
 in the manual (don't stop at the first example, read the full
 subsection).

  /Mats


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Re: Putting 'instrument' on the left side of the page

[sdfgsdhdshd]

Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
> 
> The problem is that most of the people who actually do the work with 
> lilypond, while they want it to be "the best tool for producing printed 
> music", they're European orchestral musicians steeped in the European 
> orchestral tradition, and their traditions are at odds with yours and 
> mine.
> 

lilypond can be viewed as PRE-producing music, not really producing.
You use the output of lilypond, as the input to another (free or paying)
software. The choice of this software depends on what exactly you want to
do/modify.

In fact, lilypond itself is composed of 2 softwares, lilypond and GS, which
use the output of lilypond.

Surely, you can then set up a pipeline of how many softs you want, each one
being specialized for a particular task.


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Re: Putting 'instrument' on the left side of the page

[Anthony W. Youngman]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Maarten Deen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes
Lilypond has as standard setting that the instrument is put centered 
below the title, subtitle, etc.
But I'm used to the first page having the intrument set at the left 
side of the page (where Poet is placed) and only for subsequent pages 
the instrument is set top center.

In fact, I've been looking at my scores and all have this setup.


So does pretty much all the music I use ... indeed I think about the 
only music I use that has the instrument centred is that produced by 
lilypond...


Can this be done in lilypond? Having the instrument on the left side of 
the page on the first page only?


You need to rewrite the code that produces the header. I keep on 
intending to do it, but alas the problem is always finding time ...


The problem is that most of the people who actually do the work with 
lilypond, while they want it to be "the best tool for producing printed 
music", they're European orchestral musicians steeped in the European 
orchestral tradition, and their traditions are at odds with yours and 
mine.


Until we step up and do some coding (or pay for others to do it for us), 
lilypond won't address our needs that well. Note I'm not complaining - 
that's just the way Free Software works ...


Regards,
Maarten


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Re: play lily midi drum files

[Trevor Daniels]

Depends what system you are running on.  See the Learning Manual for 2.11, 
section 4.6.3 Other sources of information, for how to find the ly/ 
directory.


Trevor

- Original Message - 
From: "Grammostola Rosea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: play lily midi drum files



Grammostola Rosea wrote:

Hi,

How do you play from lilypond exported midi drum files? How do match 
hi-hat from score with hi-hat from sequencer/ synth?


Regards,



edit: and where can I find: ly/drumpitch-init.ly file?




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Re: play lily midi drum files

[Trevor Daniels]

This is briefly described in the Notation Manual for Release 2.11, section 
3.5.6 Percussion in MIDI, although this section is in need of some 
expansion.  Use a DrumStaff to code your percussion and these will be 
correctly exported to MIDI channel 10 using the standard percussion 
instrument numbers.  See NM 2.5.1 Common notation for percussion for details 
on writing for percussion.


Trevor

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From: "Grammostola Rosea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:46 PM
Subject: play lily midi drum files



Hi,

How do you play from lilypond exported midi drum files? How do match 
hi-hat from score with hi-hat from sequencer/ synth?


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Re: question about installation

[Trevor Daniels]

Luc

These windows are not part of LilyPond - they are merely the normal windows 
which are used in your computer.  That image shows a window in which files 
are being edited, a window in which the pdf output is being displayed, and a 
window in which the LilyPond program was executed.


There is no way in which you can see the pdf output appearing as you edit a 
LilyPond file - you always have to edit, then compile and then view.  But 
there are a number of tools which facilitate this process.  Search for 
lilypondtool in the -user archives, 
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/, for one (not sure if this 
has been used in Vista though).  Or you can use a highlighting editor like 
ConTEXT which provides function keys which you can set to compile and view 
LilyPond files (this is what I use).  There may be others ...


Trevor

- Original Message - 
From: "Luc Dejans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Valentin Villenave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: question about installation



Hi - thanks for your answers, Valentin & Trevor! Sorry for my additional
newbee-question: I can run the program indeed, but how do I get the 
windows

as displayed on http://lilypond.org/web/install/getting-started.html? Till
now, I just can work in a text file, convert it into Lilypond and view the
result as a PDF. It would be easier to work and view instantly the result 
in

another window.
I know all this must be basic for experienced users, but I'm just making 
my

first steps in Lilypond...
Thanks, Luc

2008/8/24 Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


2008/8/24 Luc Dejans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Last week I downloaded and runned LilyPond 2.10 for Windows. My 
> computer

> runs Windows Vista.

Greetings Luc,

don't worry, nobody's perfect :)

[Hey Trevor, you're not alone anymore :-) ]

> While trying to install LilyPond on Cygwin, I didn't get the same 
> Package

> View dialogue as showed on the web page
> http://lilypond.org/web/install/cygwin: there were other programs in my
> list, but not "liliypond". What should I do? Many thanks in advance for
your
> help!

LilyPond does not need cygwin (anymore). Just download the Windows
version on http://lilypond.org/web/install/ (I recommend 2.11
version), and install it as you'd do with any other program.

By the way, from your name I suspect you might be French; in this case
you might be interested in knowing that there's a French-speaking
LilyPond mailing list on
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user-fr

Cheers,
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Putting 'instrument' on the left side of the page

[Maarten Deen]

Lilypond has as standard setting that the instrument is put centered below the 
title, subtitle, etc.
But I'm used to the first page having the intrument set at the left side of the 
page (where Poet is placed) and only for subsequent pages the instrument is set 
top center.

In fact, I've been looking at my scores and all have this setup.

Can this be done in lilypond? Having the instrument on the left side of the page 
on the first page only?


Regards,
Maarten


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Re: play lily midi drum files

[Grammostola Rosea]

Grammostola Rosea wrote:

Hi,

How do you play from lilypond exported midi drum files? How do match 
hi-hat from score with hi-hat from sequencer/ synth?


Regards,



edit: and where can I find: ly/drumpitch-init.ly file?




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play lily midi drum files

[Grammostola Rosea]

Hi,

How do you play from lilypond exported midi drum files? How do match 
hi-hat from score with hi-hat from sequencer/ synth?


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Re: question about installation

[Luc Dejans]

Hi - thanks for your answers, Valentin & Trevor! Sorry for my additional
newbee-question: I can run the program indeed, but how do I get the windows
as displayed on http://lilypond.org/web/install/getting-started.html? Till
now, I just can work in a text file, convert it into Lilypond and view the
result as a PDF. It would be easier to work and view instantly the result in
another window.
I know all this must be basic for experienced users, but I'm just making my
first steps in Lilypond...
Thanks, Luc

2008/8/24 Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/8/24 Luc Dejans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Last week I downloaded and runned LilyPond 2.10 for Windows. My computer
> > runs Windows Vista.
>
> Greetings Luc,
>
> don't worry, nobody's perfect :)
>
> [Hey Trevor, you're not alone anymore :-) ]
>
> > While trying to install LilyPond on Cygwin, I didn't get the same Package
> > View dialogue as showed on the web page
> > http://lilypond.org/web/install/cygwin: there were other programs in my
> > list, but not "liliypond". What should I do? Many thanks in advance for
> your
> > help!
>
> LilyPond does not need cygwin (anymore). Just download the Windows
> version on http://lilypond.org/web/install/ (I recommend 2.11
> version), and install it as you'd do with any other program.
>
> By the way, from your name I suspect you might be French; in this case
> you might be interested in knowing that there's a French-speaking
> LilyPond mailing list on
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user-fr
>
> Cheers,
> Valentin
>
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Re: script for running convert-ly on multiple files

[Jonathan Kulp]

Ok I tried this and it works flawlessly (of course).

Instead of a script, a simple command:

convert-ly -e *

Exactly the same result as my script.  I don't know why I can't think to 
look for man pages for every command.  Linux and Lilypond are humbling 
things... :)


Thanks again, Nicolas.

Jonathan

Nicolas Sceaux wrote:


The -e option of convert-ly can be used to modify the file in place.

nicolas





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Re: script for running convert-ly on multiple files

[Jonathan Kulp]

Ah.  Thanks Nicolas.  I should have realized there were options.  That 
simplifies things considerably :)


Jonathan

Nicolas Sceaux wrote:

Le 24 août 08 à 14:40, Jonathan Kulp a écrit :


for LILYFILE in *.ly
do
 echo "updating syntax on $LILYFILE..."
 convert-ly $LILYFILE > $LILYFILE-new
 sleep 1
 mv $LILYFILE-new $LILYFILE
done


The -e option of convert-ly can be used to modify the file in place.

nicolas





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Re: script for running convert-ly on multiple files

[Nicolas Sceaux]

Le 24 août 08 à 14:40, Jonathan Kulp a écrit :


for LILYFILE in *.ly
do
 echo "updating syntax on $LILYFILE..."
 convert-ly $LILYFILE > $LILYFILE-new
 sleep 1
 mv $LILYFILE-new $LILYFILE
done


The -e option of convert-ly can be used to modify the file in place.

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script for running convert-ly on multiple files

[Jonathan Kulp]

Dear Lilyponders,

I thought I'd share a script I wrote for running the convert-ly process 
on batches of files.  I realize a script like this is trivial for 
experienced users, but I'd been doing conversions one file at a time 
myself until I learned how to do this kind of script, and I figured 
there were probably others like me who could benefit.  It's an enormous 
relief being able to convert dozens of files in one command.  I've tried 
it out on a few orchestral pieces with lots of \include files from 
Mutopia and it works very well.  It won't fix problems with the original 
files but it does update the syntax.  Two of the three orchestral pieces 
I converted compiled perfectly after the conversion.  Give it a try if 
you like, but heed the warning in the comments if you're running it on 
your own files.  (Before I inserted the "sleep 1" command, it would 
occasionally save empty files, but I haven't had a problem since putting 
that in).  Save the script in your ~/bin directory, make it executable, 
and run it.


Best,

Jonathan

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#!/bin/bash

#*#
# This script updates the syntax of all lilypond  #
# files in current directory. #
# #
# WARNING: This will also overwrite source files! #
# Be sure to make a backup copy of all of the #
# source files before running this script, just   #
# in case of problems.  Or, comment out the line  #
# that performs the "mv $LILYFILE-new" command.   #
#*#

for LILYFILE in *.ly
do
  echo "updating syntax on $LILYFILE..."
  convert-ly $LILYFILE > $LILYFILE-new
  sleep 1
  mv $LILYFILE-new $LILYFILE
done


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Re: question about installation

[Valentin Villenave]

2008/8/24 Luc Dejans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Last week I downloaded and runned LilyPond 2.10 for Windows. My computer
> runs Windows Vista.

Greetings Luc,

don't worry, nobody's perfect :)

[Hey Trevor, you're not alone anymore :-) ]

> While trying to install LilyPond on Cygwin, I didn't get the same Package
> View dialogue as showed on the web page
> http://lilypond.org/web/install/cygwin: there were other programs in my
> list, but not "liliypond". What should I do? Many thanks in advance for your
> help!

LilyPond does not need cygwin (anymore). Just download the Windows
version on http://lilypond.org/web/install/ (I recommend 2.11
version), and install it as you'd do with any other program.

By the way, from your name I suspect you might be French; in this case
you might be interested in knowing that there's a French-speaking
LilyPond mailing list on
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user-fr

Cheers,
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Lyrics - NR 2.1.3.2

[Trevor Daniels]

Francisco

Are you still working on Lyrics?  If so, may I suggest an addition to NR 
2.1.3.2 Lyrics independent of notes?  The section would then show two 
methods of producing lyrics independent of notes.


The following example works in 2.11, although it did not work correctly in 
2.10, which is probably why it did not appear in earlier versions of the 
manual:


<<
 \new Staff { c''2 c''2 d''1 }
 \new Lyrics \lyricmode { I2 like4. my8 cat!1 }
 \new Staff { c'8 c' c' c' c' c' c' c' c' c' c' c' c' c' c' c' }




This illustrates the use of explicit durations in lyrics.

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Re: SLopUF: Sumatra and issue 635 (pdf locking)

[Gilles THIBAULT]

LilyPondTool's PDF viewer solves this problem by automatically closing 
the file when compiling.




In Windows, you can also use taskkill.exe to close the pdf before the 
compilation

http://commandwindows.com/taskkill.htm

Here is the little script (lily.bat ) i use to run lilypond.
%

@echo off
cd /D "%~dp1"

taskkill /FI "WINDOWTITLE eq %~n1.pdf*" > null
cls

echo.
echo 
echo.

lilypond "%~nx1"
if exist "%~n1.pdf" start "" "%~n1.pdf"


echo.
echo ---
echo.
pause >nul

%%%

I think something equivalent can be made in linux.

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question about installation

[Luc Dejans]

Hello

Last week I downloaded and runned LilyPond 2.10 for Windows. My computer
runs Windows Vista.
While trying to install LilyPond on Cygwin, I didn't get the same Package
View dialogue as showed on the web page
http://lilypond.org/web/install/cygwin: there were other programs in my
list, but not "liliypond". What should I do? Many thanks in advance for your
help!
 Luc
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Re: how to change the LILYPOND_GC_YIELD

[Stefan Thomas]

Thanks,
I think there must be something seriously wrong with my system! But since I
did export LILYPOND_GC_YIELD=10 (!!) I am able to run lilypond properly. But
does someone know, how I can get find the problem in my linx (sidux) system?
I've de- and reinstalled lilypond, but the problems are of the same kind.

2008/8/23 Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Read any general Linux instruction on how to set environment
> variables. If you use bash as your shell, then it should work to
> do
> export LILYPOND_GC_YIELD=60
> lilypond ...
>
>  /Mats
>
> Stefan Thomas wrote:
>
>> Dear lilypondusers,
>> I have read the article in
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Invoking-lilypond
>> but I still don't know, how I can chance the LILYPOND_GC_YIELD to e.g. 60.
>> When I type lilypond LILYPOND_GC_YIELD 60 I get an error message.
>> I should mention I use lilypond 2.11.49 on a linux machine.
>> 
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Re: Lyrics independent of notes

[Trevor Daniels]

Francisco Vila wrote Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:47 AM



2008/8/21 Trevor Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

This seems like a regression.  It looks OK in the
manual as that example has not been edited recently
and so has not been recompiled recently either.  In
the file for my local doc build it was last compiled
on 27 April 08, and was OK then, probably with 2.11.44.


I'm sorry, but I see the manual and this PDF (and also my results with
2.11.56) identical.

The warnings are not exactly errors. Another thread with the words
"durations needed" in which Mats explained very well some related
issues, can be of help.


I've now been able to check back to 2.10.34, and the
warnings were issued there too.  Seems like they might
have been there a long time.  Perhaps all it needs
is a note in the manual to say warnings are expected.

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Re: Many thanks!

[Trevor Daniels]

Don Ravey wrote Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:19 AM

It's been a long time since I've used list servers, I hope I'm 
responding correctly.


Absolutely fine!

I'm blown away at the rapid and very helpful response I got to my 
question.  Dominic, Jonathan and Brett:  your comments and advice are 
much appreciated!


I downloaded what I thought was the latest stable version, but I will 
now upgrade.


2.11.56 is better and more stable than any 2.10 release now.
It will shortly become the 2.12 stable release.

I do a lot of programming, including database (SQL etc.), and have done 
so for many, many years (don't ask!), and I've been an amateur musician 
for well over a half century, but I'm having a tough time getting the 
hang of this notation.  But I've only been trying to learn for a couple 
of days--I'll get there!


I've been learning it for a couple of years, and I'm still
learning!  In case you haven't yet discovered it, the
Learning Manual in the 2.11 releases is the best place
to start.  It applies pretty well to 2.10 as well.


Thanks for your help!  I'm sure I'll ask more questions.


Please do!


Don Ravey


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Re: SLopUF: Sumatra and issue 635 (pdf locking)

[Bertalan Fodor]

LilyPondTool's PDF viewer solves this problem by automatically closing the file 
when compiling.

Bert

> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Robin Bannister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "lilypond-user" 
> Sent: 08/08/23/, 12:11:43
> Subject: SLopUF:  Sumatra and issue 635 (pdf locking)
> 
> 2.10.33 on Win XP SP3
> 
> I started using XP for Lilypond work about half a year ago, 
> leaving behind 2.8.6. on Win98, where I had had Adobe Reader for 
> viewing pdf output. 
> I thought being on XP might offer the chance of finding a viewer 
> which didn't get in the way of Lilypond generating its pdf.
> 
> In the wikipedia entry for SumatraPDF it said 
> > .. unlike other PDF viewers it does not lock the PDF file. 
> So I tried 0.8, but it blocked Lilypond just the same. 
> So did 0.7, but at least it seemed more stable. 
> 
> And I continued working rather like on Win98: 
>  - double click on 1.ly (my invariant filename) 
>  - File > Close in Sumatra 0.7
>  - wait for console window (Ghostscript) to come and go 
>  - drag (the new) 1.pdf onto Sumatra
> i.e. the usual mouse drudgery, but there were two benefits:
>  - Sumatra usually applied the old position and zoom to the new file
>  - using Adobe for other things didn't interfere with my Lilypond work
> 
> The irritation remained: why must this be, when at the same time 
> Lilypond is not bothered by the log file being left open in notepad? 
> The discussion re issue 635 [1] reminded me of this, and a week ago 
> I revisited Sumatra and saw that it now offered automatic reloading, 
> i.e. indirectly reaffirming that you didn't have to close to allow updates. 
> I thought of testing this using Windows Explorer and found that Sumatra 
>  - doesn't let you drag or delete the file (whereas notepad does) 
>  - but does let you overwrite it (as when dropping with +). 
> I later found this distinction confirmed on the Sumatra forum [2]. 
> 
> So an effective workaround is to point Sumatra to a different file, 
> e.g. viewer.pdf, and overwrite this when Lilypond is finished (like [3]):
> > copy 1.pdf viewer.pdf
> 
> The high-powered variant of this involves disabling 
> >(if (access? pdf-name W_OK) 
> >(delete-file pdf-name)) 
> as in issue 635, letting Lilypond do the overwriting (of 1.pdf) itself. 
> 
> This may be sufficient for some; things are now nicely streamlined. 
> But I don't like the way the view gets out of sync when Lilypond aborts 
> early due to a syntax error or somesuch. I might be distracted while waiting 
> for the console window and the Sumatra refresh, and then think that my 
> latest edit (e.g. an override) hadn't changed anything. 
> So I recommend making the state of progress more obvious by doing
> > del 1.pdf
> > copy dummy.pdf viewer.pdf
> before starting Lilypond, dummy.pdf being chosen as obviously different. 
> 
> 
> [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2008-06/msg00088.html
> [2] http://forums.fofou.org/sumatrapdf/topic?id=4933 
> [3] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-07/msg00453.html
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Robin
> 
> r3b
> 
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