Stem separating dot from notehead

[Nick Payne]

With overlapping parts, Lilypond defaults to separating a dot from its 
notehead by placing the overlapping stem in between. According to Gould 
(p.57) this is incorrect. The overlapped stem should be placed after the 
dot.


\version "2.15.25"

\relative c' {
<< { c2 s c'4. } \\ { g2. s4 c, } \\ { s1 g'4 } >>
}

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

[Thomas Morley]

Hi,

2012/2/10 -Eluze :
>
>
> Brent Annable wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so it looks like I need to include print-all-headers = ##t, and then
>> suppress the 'instrument' line in all subsequent scores.
>>
> that will probably not be sufficient…
>
>
>> Can someone direct me to a document describing how to do that? My search
>> didn't reveal anything.
>>
>>
> I couldn't find a detailed documentation.
>
> I never have used this before, but I stumbled over customizing the
> oddFooterMarkup when trying to include score variables (book variables seem
> to work).
> if I don't succeed soon I'll file a report/question on the bug list.
>
> Eluze
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regarding titling-init.ly I think it's not a bug but intended behaviour.

Of course scoreTitleMarkup can be redefined:


\version "2.14.2"

myScoreTitle = \markup {
\override #'(baseline-skip . 3.5)
\column {
  \fill-line { \fromproperty #'header:dedication }
  \override #'(baseline-skip . 3.5)
  \column {
\huge \larger \bold
\fill-line {
  \larger \fromproperty #'header:title
}
\fill-line {
  \large \smaller \bold
  \larger \fromproperty #'header:subtitle
}
\fill-line {
  \smaller \bold
  \fromproperty #'header:subsubtitle
}
\fill-line {
  \fromproperty #'header:poet
  % { \large \bold \fromproperty #'header:instrument }
  \null %\fromproperty #'header:composer
}
\fill-line {
  \fromproperty #'header:meter
  \fromproperty #'header:arranger
}
\fill-line {
  \fromproperty #'header:piece
  \fromproperty #'header:opus
}
  }
}
}

music = \relative c' {
\repeat unfold 10 { c1 \break }
\pageBreak
\repeat unfold 10 { c1 \break }
\bar "|."
}

\paper {
ragged-right = ##f
ragged-last-bottom = ##f
scoreTitleMarkup = \myScoreTitle
}


\book {
\header {
title = "Das Wohltemperierte Clavier"
composer = "J.S. Bach"
instrument = "Superius"
}

% quick and dirty hack
\markup \vspace #3

   \score {
   \new Staff \music
   \header {
title = "FUGA I"
piece = "a 4"
   }
   }

   \pageBreak

   \score {
   \new Staff \music
   \header {
title = "FUGA II"
piece = "a 4"
   }
   }
}

See also: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-02/msg00184.html

HTH,
  Harm

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

[Nick Payne]

On 10/02/12 10:00, Janek Warchoł wrote:

2012/2/9 Xavier Scheuer:

2012/2/9 Janek Warchoł:

Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what
about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous
piece (like Mozart's Requiem)?  The funds would be split between
typesetter and programmer who implements necessary features.  I could
do the typesetting part.

And if you add a musician that would do a recording of the piece and
release it for free (as in "free software", not only "free beer")
you would obtain something like the "Open Goldberg Variations" project.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/293573191/open-goldberg-variations-setting-bach-free
There it's MuseScore that is used as typesetting software.

8O
$23 000... Unbelievable!!  So simple and so effective.
Heck, let's do it!
Do you know of any famous pieces of music without freely accessible
scores?  I have only one shot now, but it isn't perfect: Samuel
Barber's "Adagio for Strings" was composed in 1936 but the composer
died not-so-long-ago (1981).  Still, it's possible that in some
countries the work itself might be out of copyright.


The minimum required by the Berne convention is 50 years beyond the 
authors death before a work becomes public domain. Here in Australia, as 
in the US and EU, it's 70 years. So if Barber died in 1981, his works 
won't become public domain until 2051. And depending on the country, the 
publication from which you were working would also have had to be 
published before 1981.


Nick

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

[-Eluze]

Brent Annable wrote:
> 
> Ok, so it looks like I need to include print-all-headers = ##t, and then
> suppress the 'instrument' line in all subsequent scores.
> 
that will probably not be sufficient…


> Can someone direct me to a document describing how to do that? My search
> didn't reveal anything.
> 
> 
I couldn't find a detailed documentation.

I never have used this before, but I stumbled over customizing the
oddFooterMarkup when trying to include score variables (book variables seem
to work). 
if I don't succeed soon I'll file a report/question on the bug list.

Eluze
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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

[Graham Percival]

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:00:21AM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote:
> Do you know of any famous pieces of music without freely accessible
> scores?  I have only one shot now, but it isn't perfect: Samuel
> Barber's "Adagio for Strings" was composed in 1936 but the composer
> died not-so-long-ago (1981).  Still, it's possible that in some
> countries the work itself might be out of copyright.

I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but I believe that
this work is still in copyright in every country that is a
signatory to the Berne convention -- which means pretty much
everywhere.

- Graham

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

[Janek Warchoł]

2012/2/9 Xavier Scheuer :
> 2012/2/9 Janek Warchoł :
>>
>> Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what
>> about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous
>> piece (like Mozart's Requiem)?  The funds would be split between
>> typesetter and programmer who implements necessary features.  I could
>> do the typesetting part.
>
> And if you add a musician that would do a recording of the piece and
> release it for free (as in "free software", not only "free beer")
> you would obtain something like the "Open Goldberg Variations" project.
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/293573191/open-goldberg-variations-setting-bach-free
> There it's MuseScore that is used as typesetting software.

8O
$23 000... Unbelievable!!  So simple and so effective.
Heck, let's do it!
Do you know of any famous pieces of music without freely accessible
scores?  I have only one shot now, but it isn't perfect: Samuel
Barber's "Adagio for Strings" was composed in 1936 but the composer
died not-so-long-ago (1981).  Still, it's possible that in some
countries the work itself might be out of copyright.

> Several users/contributers, including Janek, showed some interest in
> a "MuseScore-LilyPond synergy".  BTW I have read that there is a project
> of "Smart coupling" between Audiveris (open-source Optical Music
> Recognition) and MuseScore.
> http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/audiveris
> A kind of "synergy" (in both directions) between the file format of
> musescore and .ly would also allow a conversion
> musicxml <-> musescore <-> .ly .

I feel motivated to write down my thoughts on this topic :)

cheers,
Janek

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

[Nils]

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:04:35 +0100
Xavier Scheuer  wrote:

> 2012/2/9 Janek Warchoł :
> >
> > Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what
> > about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous
> > piece (like Mozart's Requiem)?  The funds would be split between
> > typesetter and programmer who implements necessary features.  I could
> > do the typesetting part.
> 
> And if you add a musician that would do a recording of the piece and
> release it for free (as in "free software", not only "free beer")
> you would obtain something like the "Open Goldberg Variations" project.
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/293573191/open-goldberg-variations-setting-bach-free
> There it's MuseScore that is used as typesetting software.
> http://musescore.org/en/node/10118
> 
> There is also the idea of a "LilyPond score sharing website", similar
> to musescore.com .  http://musescore.com/upgrade
> 
> As I said: "IIRC lasconic (Nicolas Froment) said the 3 main developers
> of MuseScore (Werner Schweer, Thomas Bonte and himself) are now working
> full-time on MuseScore" [thanks to their "fundings"].
> 
> Several users/contributers, including Janek, showed some interest in
> a "MuseScore-LilyPond synergy".  BTW I have read that there is a project
> of "Smart coupling" between Audiveris (open-source Optical Music
> Recognition) and MuseScore.
> http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/audiveris
> A kind of "synergy" (in both directions) between the file format of
> musescore and .ly would also allow a conversion
> musicxml <-> musescore <-> .ly .  Don't know if that would be "easy"
> though.
> 
> I sent an e-mail to lasconic to have further informations about all I
> say (all I "kind of remember").
> 
> Cheers,
> Xavier
> 
> -- 
> Xavier Scheuer 
 

Don't use musescore. Lilypond > Musescore is like Photoshop and MS Paint.
Just because there is no famous GUI which is made for Lilypond does not mean to 
take the second best.

Nils

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

[Xavier Scheuer]

2012/2/9 Janek Warchoł :
>
> Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what
> about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous
> piece (like Mozart's Requiem)?  The funds would be split between
> typesetter and programmer who implements necessary features.  I could
> do the typesetting part.

And if you add a musician that would do a recording of the piece and
release it for free (as in "free software", not only "free beer")
you would obtain something like the "Open Goldberg Variations" project.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/293573191/open-goldberg-variations-setting-bach-free
There it's MuseScore that is used as typesetting software.
http://musescore.org/en/node/10118

There is also the idea of a "LilyPond score sharing website", similar
to musescore.com .  http://musescore.com/upgrade

As I said: "IIRC lasconic (Nicolas Froment) said the 3 main developers
of MuseScore (Werner Schweer, Thomas Bonte and himself) are now working
full-time on MuseScore" [thanks to their "fundings"].

Several users/contributers, including Janek, showed some interest in
a "MuseScore-LilyPond synergy".  BTW I have read that there is a project
of "Smart coupling" between Audiveris (open-source Optical Music
Recognition) and MuseScore.
http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/audiveris
A kind of "synergy" (in both directions) between the file format of
musescore and .ly would also allow a conversion
musicxml <-> musescore <-> .ly .  Don't know if that would be "easy"
though.

I sent an e-mail to lasconic to have further informations about all I
say (all I "kind of remember").

Cheers,
Xavier

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

[Janek Warchoł]

2012/2/9 Carl Sorensen :
> On 2/9/12 5:38 AM, "Nils"  wrote:
>
>>Kickstarter is USA only.
>
> But someone in the USA can do a kickstarter project and spend the money
> any way they want to.
>
> I thought about kickstarter as well.  But what would you promise the
> investors as return on the project?  A free copy of LilyPond?  Not much of
> an advantage for an open-source software package.

Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what
about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous
piece (like Mozart's Requiem)?  The funds would be split between
typesetter and programmer who implements necessary features.  I could
do the typesetting part.

cheers,
Janek

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Re: repeat barlines with wings?

[Thomas Morley]

Hi Shevek,

2012/2/9 Xavier Scheuer :
> On 9 February 2012 04:50, Shevek  wrote:
>>
>> I'm used to seeing repeat barlines with "wings" (like in the picture I've
>> attached). Is there a way to do this in Lilypond?
>>
>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p33290846/reapetbarsci9.png
>
> Yeah, that would be nice.
> You call it "wings" I think I call them "big ears", don't know why!  ;D
>
> I can't remind somebody doing such request and find nothing related on
> the LSR, in the doc or within the mailing lists archive, sorry.
>
> I think you could ask for it as a new feature request on the tracker,
> that would be one thing at least.
>
> Cheers,
> Xavier
>
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this was discussed in the german forum some time ago:
http://www.lilypondforum.de/index.php?topic=879.0

We developed the attached work-around.

BTW in output-lib.scm you can find "brace" and "bracket" in the
bar-glyph-alist. AFAIK they aren't used anywhere. So any work-around
has to fiddle about the line-breaks.

HTH,
  Harm

P.S. Please note that the file uses 2.12.3.
\version "2.12.3"

\layout { 
indent = 10 
short-indent = 10
}
\paper {
ragged-right =##f
}

#(define-markup-command (lthskip layout props amount) (number?)
  ;; lthskip = "line-thickness skip"
  (let ((l-th (ly:output-def-lookup layout 'line-thickness)))
(ly:make-stencil "" (cons 0 (* amount l-th)) '(0 . 0) )))

#(define my-bar-glyph-alist
  '((":|:" . (":|" . "|:"
  
#(define (my-bar-line::calc-glyph-name grob)
   (let* (
  ; inlined this from lily-library.scm, since it isn't public
  (index-cell (lambda (cell dir)
(if (equal? dir 1)
(cdr cell)
(car cell
  (glyph (ly:grob-property grob 'glyph))
  (dir (ly:item-break-dir grob))
  (result (assoc glyph  my-bar-glyph-alist))
  (glyph-name (if (= dir CENTER)
  glyph
  (if (and result (string? (index-cell (cdr result) dir)))
  (index-cell (cdr result) -1)
  #f)))
  )
 glyph-name))

#(define (rotate-at-line-begin g)
  "Rotate an item, but only at the start of the line."
  (if (and (ly:item? g)
	   (equal? (ly:item-break-dir g) RIGHT))
	   (ly:grob-set-property! g 'rotation (list 180 0 0))
  ))
  
startRepeatBracket = {
	\once \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil =
	#(lambda (grob)
	  (ly:stencil-add
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y UP
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup
	#:musicglyph "brackettips.up"))
	  -0.1 0)
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y DOWN
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup
	#:musicglyph "brackettips.down"))
	  -0.1 0)))	  
	\bar "|:"
}

stopRepeatBracket = {
	\once \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil =
	#(lambda (grob)
	  (ly:stencil-add
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y UP
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup 
	  #:concat (
	  #:lthskip 6
	  #:right-align
	  #:rotate 180 
	  #:musicglyph "brackettips.down" )))
	  -0.1 0)
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y DOWN
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup
	#:concat (
	  #:lthskip 6
	  #:right-align
	  #:rotate 180 
	  #:musicglyph "brackettips.up" )))
	  -0.1 0)))	  
	\bar ":|"
}

combinedRepeatBracket = {
	\once \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil =
	#(lambda (grob)
	  (ly:stencil-add
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y UP
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup
	#:concat (
	  #:lthskip 3
	  #:concat (
	#:right-align
	#:vcenter
	#:rotate 180 #:musicglyph "brackettips.down"
	#:lthskip 3
	#:vcenter
	#:musicglyph "brackettips.up"
	  -0.1 0)
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y DOWN
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup
	#:concat (
	  #:lthskip 3
	  #:concat (
	#:right-align
	#:vcenter
	#:rotate 180 #:musicglyph "brackettips.up"
	#:lthskip 3
	#:vcenter
	#:musicglyph "brackettips.down"
	  -0.1 0)))
	\bar ":|:"
}

Break =  {
\once\override Staff.BarLine #'glyph-name = #my-bar-line::calc-glyph-name
\once\override Staff.BarLine #'after-line-breaking = #rotate-at-line-begin  
\bar ":|:"
\break 
}

%- Test 


%#(set-global-staff-size 11.22) %% smallest recommended staff size
#(set-global-staff-

Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

[Pavel Roskin]

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:45:55 +0100
jakob lund  wrote:

> All very well. However, in that example, the first bar appears to be
> only four beats, and the cause seems to be the
> Default_bar_line_engraver

You mean it's three beats?

> Isn't that wierd?

It's weird indeed.  If "Default_bar_line_engraver" is placed above
"Timing_translator", then the beats are correct.

> The same happens here:
> http://lily.sytes.net/wi55ub/1

And here:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=673

> That is one neat web app btw!

Yes.  But I wish Shift-Del and Shift-Ins worked as expected.

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

[Saul Tobin]

For what it's worth, I know of several musicians who have successfully funded 
international Kickstarter projects.

On Thursday, February 09, 2012 09:40:22 AM Carl Sorensen wrote:
> On 2/9/12 5:38 AM, "Nils"  wrote:
> >Kickstarter is USA only.
> 
> But someone in the USA can do a kickstarter project and spend the money
> any way they want to.
> 
> I thought about kickstarter as well.  But what would you promise the
> investors as return on the project?  A free copy of LilyPond?  Not much of
> an advantage for an open-source software package.
> 
> Any thoughts you have on this subject would be welcome.  It's much easier
> to put together a kickstarter proposal than a NEH grant.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carl
> 
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Re: repeat barlines with wings?

[Xavier Scheuer]

On 9 February 2012 04:50, Shevek  wrote:
>
> I'm used to seeing repeat barlines with "wings" (like in the picture I've
> attached). Is there a way to do this in Lilypond?
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p33290846/reapetbarsci9.png

Yeah, that would be nice.
You call it "wings" I think I call them "big ears", don't know why!  ;D

I can't remind somebody doing such request and find nothing related on
the LSR, in the doc or within the mailing lists archive, sorry.

I think you could ask for it as a new feature request on the tracker,
that would be one thing at least.

Cheers,
Xavier

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Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

[jakob lund]

9. feb. 2012 21.13 skrev Nils :
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 19:50:24 +0100
> jakob lund  wrote:
>
>> 9. feb. 2012 19.25 skrev Pavel Roskin :
>> > On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:15:50 +0100
>> > Nils  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear
>> >> which version of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).
>> >>
>> >> Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have
>> >> become, I would like to change the "3:2" of a triplet in a more
>> >> correct "2/3".
>> >>
>> >> How can I get this format into
>> >>
>> >> \override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old:
>> >> #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text
>>
>> The original function is defined in scm/output-lib.scm, and can be
>> modified easily:
>
> Thank you two very much.
> Finally there is no mistunderstanding anymore when seeing something like 
> this: http://lily.sytes.net/v2k2ju/1

All very well. However, in that example, the first bar appears to be
only four beats, and the cause seems to be the
Default_bar_line_engraver
Isn't that wierd?

The same happens here:
http://lily.sytes.net/wi55ub/1

Is it some sort of bug or am I too long past my bedtime :-/

That is one neat web app btw!


Jakob

>
> Nils

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Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

[Nils]

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 19:50:24 +0100
jakob lund  wrote:

> 9. feb. 2012 19.25 skrev Pavel Roskin :
> > On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:15:50 +0100
> > Nils  wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear
> >> which version of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).
> >>
> >> Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have
> >> become, I would like to change the "3:2" of a triplet in a more
> >> correct "2/3".
> >>
> >> How can I get this format into
> >>
> >> \override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old:
> >> #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text
> 
> The original function is defined in scm/output-lib.scm, and can be
> modified easily:

Thank you two very much. 
Finally there is no mistunderstanding anymore when seeing something like this: 
http://lily.sytes.net/v2k2ju/1

Nils

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Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

[Pavel Roskin]

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 19:50:24 +0100
jakob lund  wrote:

> 9. feb. 2012 19.25 skrev Pavel Roskin :
> > On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:15:50 +0100
> > Nils  wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear
> >> which version of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).
> >>
> >> Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have
> >> become, I would like to change the "3:2" of a triplet in a more
> >> correct "2/3".
> >>
> >> How can I get this format into
> >>
> >> \override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old:
> >> #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text
> 
> The original function is defined in scm/output-lib.scm, and can be
> modified easily:

Once I sent my reply, I realized that the poster was asking for
something more automatic.  So I started with
tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text and
tuplet-number::append-note-wrapper and reduced them to this:

{
  #(define ((tuplet-fraction) grob)
(let ((ev (event-cause grob)))
  (markup
(format #f "~a/~a"
  (ly:event-property ev 'numerator)
  (ly:event-property ev 'denominator)
  \override TupletNumber #'text = #(tuplet-fraction)
  \times 2/3 { c'4 e' g' }
}

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

[Tim Roberts]

Tim Reeves wrote:
> Clarinet players switch actual 
> instruments more than anyone I'd say, and I don't play clarinet, so I 
> can't speak to that, but I have a feeling that they likewise assume B-flat 
> until they are told something else.

Band players can.  Orchestral players really can't make assumptions.  A
survey of orchestral clarinet parts done a decade or so ago showed a
distribution of about 40% clarinet in A, 40% clarinet in Bb, and 20%
clarinet in C, with a smattering of other oddities.

-- 
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Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.


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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support developmentonLilyPond

[James]

On 9 February 2012 16:40, Phil Holmes  wrote:
> - Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" 
>
>> There are a number of commercial violinists.  Does that mean that
>> playing the violin can't be that hard?
>>
>
> It's not.  I know loads of fiddlers...

Me too, one of them just got let off by HMRC and is now possible
candidate for the England Manager ;)


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Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

[jakob lund]

9. feb. 2012 19.25 skrev Pavel Roskin :
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:15:50 +0100
> Nils  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear
>> which version of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).
>>
>> Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have
>> become, I would like to change the "3:2" of a triplet in a more
>> correct "2/3".
>>
>> How can I get this format into
>>
>> \override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old:
>> #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text

The original function is defined in scm/output-lib.scm, and can be
modified easily:

correctFraction = #(lambda (grob)
  (let ((ev (event-cause grob)))
(format #f "~a/~a"
(ly:event-property ev 'numerator)
(ly:event-property ev 'denominator

 {
   \override TupletNumber #'text = \correctFraction
   \times 2/3 { c'4 e' g' }
 }


Jakob
>
> {
>  \override TupletNumber #'text = \markup { "2/3" }
>  \times 2/3 { c'4 e' g' }
> }
>
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> Pavel Roskin
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Re: the word "LilyPond"

[jakob lund]

9. feb. 2012 17.21 skrev Helge Kruse :
> Am 09.02.2012 12:45, schrieb Francisco Vila:
>>
>>
>> Files attached.
>
>
> I dislike the binocles at the right hand side.

I like those ;-)

>
> Helge
>
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Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

[Pavel Roskin]

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:15:50 +0100
Nils  wrote:

> Hello, 
> 
> I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear
> which version of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).
> 
> Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have
> become, I would like to change the "3:2" of a triplet in a more
> correct "2/3".
> 
> How can I get this format into
> 
> \override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old:
> #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text

{
  \override TupletNumber #'text = \markup { "2/3" }
  \times 2/3 { c'4 e' g' }
}

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

[Tim Reeves]

> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:05:18 +0100
> From: David Kastrup 
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?
> Message-ID: <874nv0nj2p@fencepost.gnu.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> Brent Annable  writes:
> 
> > Actually, now that I think about it, the default 'instrument' line
> > behaviour in the header seems a little odd to me. Does the instrument
> > really need to be so demonstratively announced between movements or
> > pieces if they are all part of the same document?
> 
> It is common for wind instrument players to have to switch instruments
> between parts.
> 
> -- 
> David Kastrup

It might be somewhat common for wind musicians to switch instruments 
during the course of a multi-movement work, or even during a movement, but 
it is not common to notate which instrument to play (apart from the top of 
the page) UNTIL one has to change.
I'm a horn player, so I'm not switching physical instruments except by my 
own choice (and I don't), but we frequently have different transpositions 
(which correspond to switching horns or crooks back in the old days) 
within a work, and I can assure you that the normal practice is to 
*assume* horn in F, until told otherwise. Clarinet players switch actual 
instruments more than anyone I'd say, and I don't play clarinet, so I 
can't speak to that, but I have a feeling that they likewise assume B-flat 
until they are told something else.

Tim Reeves

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

[Carl Sorensen]

On 2/9/12 5:38 AM, "Nils"  wrote:

>Kickstarter is USA only.

But someone in the USA can do a kickstarter project and spend the money
any way they want to.

I thought about kickstarter as well.  But what would you promise the
investors as return on the project?  A free copy of LilyPond?  Not much of
an advantage for an open-source software package.

Any thoughts you have on this subject would be welcome.  It's much easier
to put together a kickstarter proposal than a NEH grant.

Thanks,

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support developmentonLilyPond

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Kastrup" 

There are a number of commercial violinists.  Does that mean that
playing the violin can't be that hard?



It's not.  I know loads of fiddlers...


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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development onLilyPond

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" 

To: "Carl Sorensen" 


C) Development of score_ocr2ly, which would take a score pdf and turn it
into .ly files matching the lilypond scoring standard


Heh.  This is a known problem, and the OCR part is very, very
difficult. It also has nothing to do with lilypond.



There are a number of commercial products that, given a perfect 
representation of a score, convert it to perfect musicXML - so it can't be 
that hard.  It may simply be that the OS community do not generally have 
these skills.


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Re: the word "LilyPond"

[Helge Kruse]

Am 09.02.2012 12:45, schrieb Francisco Vila:


Files attached.


I dislike the binocles at the right hand side.

Helge

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Re: grace note issue/bug

[Pavel Roskin]

On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:20:53 -0800 (PST)
lily-user  wrote:

> 
> Eluze,
> 
> I tried what Phil suggested (See 
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation/special-rhythmic-concerns#grace-notes
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation/special-rhythmic-concerns#grace-notes
>  
> "Known issues and warnings". ), which is synchronizing the grace note
> with the 2 staves in my simple example. But, it doesn't work with a
> complex example. I think there should be a better solution for the
> problem. 

It should be possible to imitate the grace note while taking the
duration from the following note.  Look for graceSettings in
ly/engraver-init.ly for the full list of settings.  The downside is
that the grace note is aligned with the first note in other Staves,
although it may be what you want:

\score {
  \new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff {
  \once \override Stem #'font-size = #-3
  \once \override Flag #'font-size = #-3 % not for Lilypond 2.14
  \once \override NoteHead #'font-size = #-3
  \once \override Stem #'length-fraction = #0.8
  g'8*1/2 _( c''4*3/4 ) d''4
}
\new Staff { \clef bass c4 d4 }
  >>
  \layout {}
}

g'8*1/2 is shown as 1/8 but plays as 1/16.  c''4*3/4 is shown as 1/4
but plays as 3/16.

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override TupletNumber . Custom text

[Nils]

Hello, 

I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear which version 
of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).

Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have become, I would 
like to change the "3:2" of a triplet in a more correct "2/3".

How can I get this format into

\override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old: #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text


greetings, 

Nils

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Re: Spanish user list reaches 100

[Francisco Vila]

2012/2/9 Xavier Scheuer :
> Seems a fast-growing community, when did you create it again?

Evidences say 2009-12. I brought some people from a now-extinct
music&computing list.

-- 
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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

[Xavier Scheuer]

On 9 February 2012 15:22, Brent Annable  wrote:
> Ok, so it looks like I need to include print-all-headers = ##t, and then
> suppress the 'instrument' line in all subsequent scores.
>
> Can someone direct me to a document describing how to do that? My search
> didn't reveal anything.

Hi,

Add

  instrument = ""

in the header of "FUGA II".
Should be OK for all subsequent scores.

Cheers,
Xavier

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Re: the word "LilyPond"

[Janek Warchoł]

2012/2/9 James :
> I like the lilypad and flowers 'icon', but with the typography (and
> maybe it's just me) all I can see are 'buttocks'

+1, lol!

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Re: Spanish user list reaches 100

[Xavier Scheuer]

On 8 February 2012 15:53, Francisco Vila  wrote:
> Hello all,
> It may look small, I know. It _is_ a small list. But let's face it,
> LilyPond has still a relatively reduced share, and the
> Spanish-speaking community is just starting to exist. Though if we
> compare this to our main TeX list which is rather old and has 440
> subscribers, I think the overall is no too bad.
>
> I wanted to share this with the general list as it is good news for me
> as the founder.

Hi Francisco,

Congratulations!
Seems a fast-growing community, when did you create it again?

I just checked, the French-speaking community counts 198 subscribers.
But the traffic is calmer than the international "lilypond-user".

Cheers,
Xavier

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

[David Kastrup]

Brent Annable  writes:

> Actually, now that I think about it, the default 'instrument' line
> behaviour in the header seems a little odd to me. Does the instrument
> really need to be so demonstratively announced between movements or
> pieces if they are all part of the same document?

It is common for wind instrument players to have to switch instruments
between parts.

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

[Brent Annable]

Actually, now that I think about it, the default 'instrument' line
behaviour in the header seems a little odd to me. Does the instrument
really need to be so demonstratively announced between movements or pieces
if they are all part of the same document?

Brent.

On 9 February 2012 15:22, Brent Annable  wrote:

> Ok, so it looks like I need to include print-all-headers = ##t, and

then suppress the 'instrument' line in all subsequent scores.
>
> Can someone direct me to a document describing how to do that? My search
> didn't reveal anything.
>
> Brent.
>
>
> On 9 February 2012 15:07, -Eluze  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Brent Annable wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > Quick question for the group: I'm producing part books for all the
>> fugues
>> > in the well-tempered clavier, and I don't like the fact that the
>> > "instrument" name is printed every time there's a new heading:
>> >
>> > \book {
>> >
>> > \header {
>> > title = "Das Wohltemperierte Clavier"
>> > composer = "J.S. Bach"
>> > instrument = "Superius" }
>> >
>> > \score {
>> > \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
>> > \header {
>> > title = "FUGA I"
>> > piece = "a 4"}
>> >   }
>> > \score {
>> > \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
>> > \header {
>> > title = "FUGA II"
>> > piece = "a 4"}
>> >
>> > }
>> > \paper { print-all-headers = ##t }
>> > }
>> >
>> > I'd like to use the instrument line because I do want the name of the
>> > instrument at the top of each page, just not below the heading for each
>> > fugue. And I'd like to use either the "title" or "subtitle" line for the
>> > heading of each fugue, and the "piece" line for indicating the number of
>> > parts. If I switch on all the headers, I get the instrument name
>> > everywhere, and if I turn them off, I get no titles or subtitles. Can
>> > anybody help?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> you can customize the layout with
>>
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation-big-page#custom-layout-for-headers-and-footers
>>
>> hth
>> Eluze
>> --
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>> http://old.nabble.com/Instrument-line-in-header-block---first-piece-only--tp33292446p33293442.html
>> Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

[Brent Annable]

Ok, so it looks like I need to include print-all-headers = ##t, and then
suppress the 'instrument' line in all subsequent scores.

Can someone direct me to a document describing how to do that? My search
didn't reveal anything.

Brent.

On 9 February 2012 15:07, -Eluze  wrote:

>
>
> Brent Annable wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Quick question for the group: I'm producing part books for all the fugues
> > in the well-tempered clavier, and I don't like the fact that the
> > "instrument" name is printed every time there's a new heading:
> >
> > \book {
> >
> > \header {
> > title = "Das Wohltemperierte Clavier"
> > composer = "J.S. Bach"
> > instrument = "Superius" }
> >
> > \score {
> > \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
> > \header {
> > title = "FUGA I"
> > piece = "a 4"}
> >   }
> > \score {
> > \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
> > \header {
> > title = "FUGA II"
> > piece = "a 4"}
> >
> > }
> > \paper { print-all-headers = ##t }
> > }
> >
> > I'd like to use the instrument line because I do want the name of the
> > instrument at the top of each page, just not below the heading for each
> > fugue. And I'd like to use either the "title" or "subtitle" line for the
> > heading of each fugue, and the "piece" line for indicating the number of
> > parts. If I switch on all the headers, I get the instrument name
> > everywhere, and if I turn them off, I get no titles or subtitles. Can
> > anybody help?
> >
> >
>
> you can customize the layout with
>
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation-big-page#custom-layout-for-headers-and-footers
>
> hth
> Eluze
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://old.nabble.com/Instrument-line-in-header-block---first-piece-only--tp33292446p33293442.html
> Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: Spanish user list reaches 100

[Francisco Vila]

2012/2/9 Pato Press :
> Hi!
> I don't know if it happens to others but I'm a spanish speaker and live in a
> spanish speaking country. I'm only in the general list. Probably I can be
> counted as one more to the spanish list ;)

I think that to be counted you need to be an actual subscriber :-)

Please subscribe here to be the 101st
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-es

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Re: the word "LilyPond"

[Francisco Vila]

2012/2/9 James :
> Francisco,
> I like the lilypad and flowers 'icon', but with the typography (and
> maybe it's just me) all I can see are 'buttocks'

Ah, blame your eyes! I see arabic script and half notes ;-) Yes, it's
way too stylized.

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

[-Eluze]

Brent Annable wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Quick question for the group: I'm producing part books for all the fugues
> in the well-tempered clavier, and I don't like the fact that the
> "instrument" name is printed every time there's a new heading:
> 
> \book {
> 
> \header {
> title = "Das Wohltemperierte Clavier"
> composer = "J.S. Bach"
> instrument = "Superius" }
> 
> \score {
> \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
> \header {
> title = "FUGA I"
> piece = "a 4"}
>   }
> \score {
> \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
> \header {
> title = "FUGA II"
> piece = "a 4"}
> 
> }
> \paper { print-all-headers = ##t }
> }
> 
> I'd like to use the instrument line because I do want the name of the
> instrument at the top of each page, just not below the heading for each
> fugue. And I'd like to use either the "title" or "subtitle" line for the
> heading of each fugue, and the "piece" line for indicating the number of
> parts. If I switch on all the headers, I get the instrument name
> everywhere, and if I turn them off, I get no titles or subtitles. Can
> anybody help?
> 
> 

you can customize the layout with
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation-big-page#custom-layout-for-headers-and-footers

hth
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Re: Spanish user list reaches 100

[Pato Press]

Hi!
I don't know if it happens to others but I'm a spanish speaker and live in
a spanish speaking country. I'm only in the general list. Probably I can be
counted as one more to the spanish list ;)

Todos los idiomas sean bienvenidos!
Un Abrazo!
tdy

2012/2/8 Francisco Vila 

> Hello all,
> It may look small, I know. It _is_ a small list. But let's face it,
> LilyPond has still a relatively reduced share, and the
> Spanish-speaking community is just starting to exist. Though if we
> compare this to our main TeX list which is rather old and has 440
> subscribers, I think the overall is no too bad.
>
> I wanted to share this with the general list as it is good news for me
> as the founder.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
> www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com
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Re: the word "LilyPond"

[James]

Francisco,

On 9 February 2012 11:45, Francisco Vila  wrote:
> 2012/2/9 Martin Tarenskeen :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Everyone who knows a bit about TeX/LaTeX knows what the result looks like
>> when you use \LaTeX or \TeX in your source text.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that for the word "LilyPond" ? A
>> standard way to display "LilyPond" in documents and for example in the
>> default lilypond tagline ?
>>
>> I personally would not choose something fancy like (La)TeX uses.
>
> This is my proposal (I did it just for fun a while ago)
>
> lilypond = \markup {
>  \raise #0.4 \epsfile #X #4 #"schematic-lilypond-logo.eps"
>  \epsfile #X #10 #"lilypond-logo-fvila-G.eps"
>  %\raise #1.7 {\tiny "(.org)"}
> }
>
> { c' }
>
> \lilypond
>
> %%END
>
> Files attached.
>

I like the lilypad and flowers 'icon', but with the typography (and
maybe it's just me) all I can see are 'buttocks'

;)


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Re: number of staff lines

[Mark Knoop]

At 12:04 on 09 Feb 2012, David Kastrup wrote:
>The old clefs reminiscent of chant notation can sit IIRC on either
>lines or in between.  The more modern clefs are rather fixed.  In
>practice, anything but the C clef is not seen shifted vertically, and
>even the C clef is only seen on anywhere but the middle line mainly in
>Baroque music and earlier.

The tenor clef (on the 4th line) is very common in cello, bassoon,
trombone music.

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

[Nils]

Kickstarter is USA only.

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:01:08 +0100
Brent Annable  wrote:

> Just an idea: how about a Kickstarter  project?
> Or has this already been considered?
> 
> Brent.
> 
> On 9 February 2012 12:08, Han-Wen Nienhuys  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Carl Sorensen  wrote:
> > > I've been thinking about the problem of sustaining LilyPond development
> > > long-term (and specifically the problem of obtaining enough money to
> > > support David K as long as he's interested).
> > >
> > > As I've thought about it, going after a grant seems the most logical
> > thing
> > > to do.  So I looked into the National Endowment for the Arts and the
> > > National Endowment for the Humanities.  NEA has nothing that looks
> > > interesting, unfortunately.  However, NEH has two initiatives that seem
> > > interesting.  One is concerned with preservation; the other is concerned
> > > with improve digital access to collected materials.
> > >
> > > Guidelines for the preservation grant (which will probably be due in
> > July)
> > > are shown here:
> > >
> > > http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/HCRR.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Guidelines for the digital humanities grants are shown here:
> > >
> > > http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/digitalhumanitiesstartup.html
> >
> > Some comments:
> >
> > I have tried getting grants from different EU and national bodies with
> > various partner institutions (including the one where Graham now
> > works, IIRC). My impression is that you need people (preferably many)
> > with lots of academic clout that can sign off on the proposal, since
> > LilyPond itself has little formal recognition. Also, for EU research
> > grants specifically, they were focused a lot on partnerships with and
> > things that helped small and medium enterprises, and we couldn't
> > invent a story around that.
> >
> > As for these grants specifically: you will need to invent something
> > outrageously new involving LilyPond (now in its 14th year of
> > existence), to qualify for the "startup" grant; the collections
> > initiative looks like a better fit.
> >
> > > A) Development of ly2xml
> > > B) Development of a lilypond scoring standard for the project, so that
> > > scholars would know how to compare scores.
> > > C) Development of score_ocr2ly, which would take a score pdf and turn it
> > > into .ly files matching the lilypond scoring standard
> >
> > Heh.  This is a known problem, and the OCR part is very, very
> > difficult. It also has nothing to do with lilypond.
> >
> > > So I'd like to ask the developers (and the users):  Does this seem
> > > interesting to you?  Is this something that is worth trying to put
> > > together?  Is anybody interested in contributing to a grant proposal?
> >
> > I'd be happy to provide any references or recommendations for the
> > LilyPond project as a whole.
> >
> > > If there seems to be enough interest, I'll visit with the music librarian
> > > at BYU, and see if there is any institutional interest.
> >
> > I'd talk with someone from the local music/humanities department that
> > has experience with writing grants and the funding body.  Of course,
> > if you got grants in the past, that might be less necessary.
> >
> > --
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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

[Brent Annable]

Just an idea: how about a Kickstarter  project?
Or has this already been considered?

Brent.

On 9 February 2012 12:08, Han-Wen Nienhuys  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Carl Sorensen  wrote:
> > I've been thinking about the problem of sustaining LilyPond development
> > long-term (and specifically the problem of obtaining enough money to
> > support David K as long as he's interested).
> >
> > As I've thought about it, going after a grant seems the most logical
> thing
> > to do.  So I looked into the National Endowment for the Arts and the
> > National Endowment for the Humanities.  NEA has nothing that looks
> > interesting, unfortunately.  However, NEH has two initiatives that seem
> > interesting.  One is concerned with preservation; the other is concerned
> > with improve digital access to collected materials.
> >
> > Guidelines for the preservation grant (which will probably be due in
> July)
> > are shown here:
> >
> > http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/HCRR.html
> >
> >
> > Guidelines for the digital humanities grants are shown here:
> >
> > http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/digitalhumanitiesstartup.html
>
> Some comments:
>
> I have tried getting grants from different EU and national bodies with
> various partner institutions (including the one where Graham now
> works, IIRC). My impression is that you need people (preferably many)
> with lots of academic clout that can sign off on the proposal, since
> LilyPond itself has little formal recognition. Also, for EU research
> grants specifically, they were focused a lot on partnerships with and
> things that helped small and medium enterprises, and we couldn't
> invent a story around that.
>
> As for these grants specifically: you will need to invent something
> outrageously new involving LilyPond (now in its 14th year of
> existence), to qualify for the "startup" grant; the collections
> initiative looks like a better fit.
>
> > A) Development of ly2xml
> > B) Development of a lilypond scoring standard for the project, so that
> > scholars would know how to compare scores.
> > C) Development of score_ocr2ly, which would take a score pdf and turn it
> > into .ly files matching the lilypond scoring standard
>
> Heh.  This is a known problem, and the OCR part is very, very
> difficult. It also has nothing to do with lilypond.
>
> > So I'd like to ask the developers (and the users):  Does this seem
> > interesting to you?  Is this something that is worth trying to put
> > together?  Is anybody interested in contributing to a grant proposal?
>
> I'd be happy to provide any references or recommendations for the
> LilyPond project as a whole.
>
> > If there seems to be enough interest, I'll visit with the music librarian
> > at BYU, and see if there is any institutional interest.
>
> I'd talk with someone from the local music/humanities department that
> has experience with writing grants and the funding body.  Of course,
> if you got grants in the past, that might be less necessary.
>
> --
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>
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Re: the word "LilyPond"

[Francisco Vila]

2012/2/9 Martin Tarenskeen :
>
> Hi,
>
> Everyone who knows a bit about TeX/LaTeX knows what the result looks like
> when you use \LaTeX or \TeX in your source text.
>
> Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that for the word "LilyPond" ? A
> standard way to display "LilyPond" in documents and for example in the
> default lilypond tagline ?
>
> I personally would not choose something fancy like (La)TeX uses.

This is my proposal (I did it just for fun a while ago)

lilypond = \markup {
  \raise #0.4 \epsfile #X #4 #"schematic-lilypond-logo.eps"
  \epsfile #X #10 #"lilypond-logo-fvila-G.eps"
  %\raise #1.7 {\tiny "(.org)"}
}   

{ c' }

\lilypond

%%END

Files attached.

-- 
Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com
<>

lilypond-logo-fvila-G.eps
Description: PostScript document


schematic-lilypond-logo.eps
Description: PostScript document
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Re: number of staff lines

[David Kastrup]

Janek Warchoł  writes:

> 2012/2/7 Nils :
>> I talked to a few persons in the university today and they all
>> agreed that the line on which a clef is is variable for any number
>> of lines.
>> But a clef should be never be in between lines, which is what Lilypond does.
>
> I've seen an engraving of Handel's Messiah in which tenors were
> notated using C clef placed between 3rd and 4th line.  Quite smart,
> i'd say, because C clef placed this way is equivalent to G clef
> transposed down an octave.
> I can find the link if you want.

The old clefs reminiscent of chant notation can sit IIRC on either lines
or in between.  The more modern clefs are rather fixed.  In practice,
anything but the C clef is not seen shifted vertically, and even the C
clef is only seen on anywhere but the middle line mainly in Baroque
music and earlier.

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Re: the word "LilyPond"

[David Kastrup]

Janek Warchoł  writes:

> 2012/2/9 Martin Tarenskeen :
>> Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that for the word "LilyPond" ? A
>> standard way to display "LilyPond" in documents and for example in the
>> default lilypond tagline ?
>
> Idea seems nice to me, however this was discussed before and we
> couldn't decide on this.  You can search the mailing list archives; if
> you create a proposal better than those rejected i guess we may be
> willing to vote on it.

A logo-like name turns out to be a nuisance in practice when you have to
maintain web sites and other media.  You should hear the people having
to deal with "LaTeX".  Personally, I'd not mind to get rid of the
capital P officially, so I am rather leaning in the opposite direction.

-- 
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Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

[Brent Annable]

Hi everyone,

Quick question for the group: I'm producing part books for all the fugues
in the well-tempered clavier, and I don't like the fact that the
"instrument" name is printed every time there's a new heading:

\book {

\header {
title = "Das Wohltemperierte Clavier"
composer = "J.S. Bach"
instrument = "Superius" }

\score {
\new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
\header {
title = "FUGA I"
piece = "a 4"}
  }
\score {
\new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
\header {
title = "FUGA II"
piece = "a 4"}

}
\paper { print-all-headers = ##t }
}

I'd like to use the instrument line because I do want the name of the
instrument at the top of each page, just not below the heading for each
fugue. And I'd like to use either the "title" or "subtitle" line for the
heading of each fugue, and the "piece" line for indicating the number of
parts. If I switch on all the headers, I get the instrument name
everywhere, and if I turn them off, I get no titles or subtitles. Can
anybody help?

TIA,

Brent.
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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

[Han-Wen Nienhuys]

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Carl Sorensen  wrote:
> I've been thinking about the problem of sustaining LilyPond development
> long-term (and specifically the problem of obtaining enough money to
> support David K as long as he's interested).
>
> As I've thought about it, going after a grant seems the most logical thing
> to do.  So I looked into the National Endowment for the Arts and the
> National Endowment for the Humanities.  NEA has nothing that looks
> interesting, unfortunately.  However, NEH has two initiatives that seem
> interesting.  One is concerned with preservation; the other is concerned
> with improve digital access to collected materials.
>
> Guidelines for the preservation grant (which will probably be due in July)
> are shown here:
>
> http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/HCRR.html
>
>
> Guidelines for the digital humanities grants are shown here:
>
> http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/digitalhumanitiesstartup.html

Some comments:

I have tried getting grants from different EU and national bodies with
various partner institutions (including the one where Graham now
works, IIRC). My impression is that you need people (preferably many)
with lots of academic clout that can sign off on the proposal, since
LilyPond itself has little formal recognition. Also, for EU research
grants specifically, they were focused a lot on partnerships with and
things that helped small and medium enterprises, and we couldn't
invent a story around that.

As for these grants specifically: you will need to invent something
outrageously new involving LilyPond (now in its 14th year of
existence), to qualify for the "startup" grant; the collections
initiative looks like a better fit.

> A) Development of ly2xml
> B) Development of a lilypond scoring standard for the project, so that
> scholars would know how to compare scores.
> C) Development of score_ocr2ly, which would take a score pdf and turn it
> into .ly files matching the lilypond scoring standard

Heh.  This is a known problem, and the OCR part is very, very
difficult. It also has nothing to do with lilypond.

> So I'd like to ask the developers (and the users):  Does this seem
> interesting to you?  Is this something that is worth trying to put
> together?  Is anybody interested in contributing to a grant proposal?

I'd be happy to provide any references or recommendations for the
LilyPond project as a whole.

> If there seems to be enough interest, I'll visit with the music librarian
> at BYU, and see if there is any institutional interest.

I'd talk with someone from the local music/humanities department that
has experience with writing grants and the funding body.  Of course,
if you got grants in the past, that might be less necessary.

-- 
Han-Wen Nienhuys - han...@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen

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Re: number of staff lines

[Nils]

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:13:29 +0100
Janek Warchoł  wrote:

> 2012/2/9 Nils :
> >> I can find the link if you want.
> >
> > that would be very nice!
> 
> Here you go (watch out, 20 MB!):
> http://erato.uvt.nl/files/imglnks/usimg/c/cc/IMSLP162690-SIBLEY1802.17529.6eef-39087018850539score.pdf
> 
> cheers,
> Janek
> 


And it is from 1908! 

Nils

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Re: number of staff lines

[Janek Warchoł]

2012/2/9 Nils :
>> I can find the link if you want.
>
> that would be very nice!

Here you go (watch out, 20 MB!):
http://erato.uvt.nl/files/imglnks/usimg/c/cc/IMSLP162690-SIBLEY1802.17529.6eef-39087018850539score.pdf

cheers,
Janek

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Re: the word "LilyPond"

[Janek Warchoł]

2012/2/9 Martin Tarenskeen :
> Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that for the word "LilyPond" ? A
> standard way to display "LilyPond" in documents and for example in the
> default lilypond tagline ?

Idea seems nice to me, however this was discussed before and we
couldn't decide on this.  You can search the mailing list archives; if
you create a proposal better than those rejected i guess we may be
willing to vote on it.

cheers,
Janek

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the word "LilyPond"

[Martin Tarenskeen]

Hi,

Everyone who knows a bit about TeX/LaTeX knows what the result looks like 
when you use \LaTeX or \TeX in your source text.


Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that for the word "LilyPond" ? 
A standard way to display "LilyPond" in documents and for example in 
the default lilypond tagline ?


I personally would not choose something fancy like (La)TeX uses. But we 
could at least always write "LilyPond" with L and P in uppercase, and 
decide about and recommend the use of a standard font, one that is 
available on every system, to use in documents and websites, for the word 
"LilyPond" even if the surrounding text uses a different font.


Just a thought.

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