Re: Score examples
2013/9/5 Simon Bailey si...@bailey.at: thanks. :) i'm really happy with the output. i've been developing the house style through the typesetting of 8-10 pieces so far, and it's starting to look exactly how i'd like it. Indeed, i like this layout too! mac preview doesn't seem to have the issues mentioned in janek's bug report. either that or i'm half blind… ;) i opened it up in illustrator, at high levels of magnification, the stems are slightly different, but that seems to change if i scroll around? i haven't noticed anything on printouts yet, but i'll keep an eye on that. ? The point of that bug is that is manifests itself the *most* at medium-low zoom levels, like 100-150%. You see, the problem is that in Acrobat Reader (and some other viewers) some stems are 1 pixel thicker than other stems. Exactly 1 pixel, regardless of zoom level. If you zoom to 800%, this means that some stems will be (for example) 9 pixels thick and some 10 pixels thick - that's a small difference. On 100% zoom, however, some stems will be 1 pixel thick and other 2 pixels thick - that's two times thicker! This is also why this issue is almost invisible in printouts - they have high resolution, so the 1px difference is very small. Fortunately, there is a chance that this issue will be fixed - David Kastrup investigated it for some time. It's a complicated area and there are side-effets, for example pdf filesize is increased (that's why the fix wasn't added to official Lilypond distribution yet - it's still experimental). However, i've been using it for a few months now and i really like the results. best, Janek PS if you have access to a Linux box (could be Ubuntu in a virtual machine) and you'd like to try this experimental fix, i could show you how. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: a script for building multiple independent lilyponds from source
A small update: 2013/8/21 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: It was my dream for more than a year to automate the process of compiling custom LilyPonds from source code in a way that would allow to use these versions completely independently, and at the same time have them linked together. I think that i've finally succeeded - attached is a script (build-lily.sh) that does just this. The script keeps changing (and it was already used by a couple of people), so i recommend not to use the one attached to previous mail, but instead grab latest verision from my github repository: http://github.com/janek-warchol/cli-tools/blob/master/lilypond/build-lily.sh For users that don't have lilypond sources installed, i recommend using this script first: http://github.com/janek-warchol/cli-tools/blob/master/lilypond/grab-lily-sources.sh (it will download the sources, libraries, and the above script as well). best, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
can I set panning in midi
I can set midi instrument with e.g.
Ms = \relative c' {
c
% ...
}
Ma = \relative c' {
a
% ...
}
% etc...
\score { \unfoldRepeats
%\set Score.midiInstrument = #church organ % 20
%\set Score.midiInstrument = #electric bass (finger) % 34
%\set Score.midiInstrument = #choir aahs % 52
%\set Score.midiInstrument = #voice oohs % 53
%\set Score.midiInstrument = #tenor sax % 66
\new Staff {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = #voice oohs
\Ms
}
\new Staff {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = #choir aahs
\Ma
}
%...
\midi { \tempo 4 = 144 }
}
but can I set where in the stereo left-right sound picture the sound
will be placed ?
Regards,
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Re: can I set panning in midi
k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: I can set midi instrument with e.g. [...] but can I set where in the stereo left-right sound picture the sound will be placed ? No. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
2013/9/4 Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net: That is interesting. Janek's modifications are slight but make everything look a little tighter. I like it especially the different flags. Thank you! If you have access to a Linux box (could be Ubuntu in a virtual machine) and you'd like to try building lilypond with this change so that you could use it on your scores, i can show you how. best, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2013/9/4 Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net: That is interesting. Janek's modifications are slight but make everything look a little tighter. I like it especially the different flags. Thank you! If you have access to a Linux box (could be Ubuntu in a virtual machine) and you'd like to try building lilypond with this change so that you could use it on your scores, i can show you how. It's not really pretty that a house style should require building a particular version of LilyPond. Looks like we might need something like URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_master_fonts or whatever is supposed to be used in its lieu instead. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Fwd: implementing roman numeral harmonic analysis?
[Janek--sorry about the duplicate message!] Hi, On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.comwrote: Hi! 2013/9/5 Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com: Hi everyone, On a whim I decided to try to implement a roman numeral harmonic analysis interface, entirely in scheme. I haven't experimented with this yet, but I wanted to share with you a set of functions which I've been using for creating analyses for theory classes I teach. You can find a more recent version (not that recent!) here: http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-user@gnu.org/msg69861/rN.ly The extension lines you talk about have been at the back of my mind, and I've wondered if there's a way to integrate Lilypond's vast capabilities for figured bass into this system. A big stumbling block of my approach here has been to allow for a style of input where the user need to include placeholders in the input: so if you wanted to input V/V, you wouldn't need to include a dummy quality marker and a dummy inversion. Also, there's the question of using note names with accidentals (which these functions do). You ask about analysis of modulations: somewhere I have a \pivot function which does the Kostka/Payne style arrangement. I'll try to dig that up. --David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
2013/9/5 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2013/9/4 Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net: That is interesting. Janek's modifications are slight but make everything look a little tighter. I like it especially the different flags. Thank you! If you have access to a Linux box (could be Ubuntu in a virtual machine) and you'd like to try building lilypond with this change so that you could use it on your scores, i can show you how. It's not really pretty that a house style should require building a particular version of LilyPond. Agreed. But at least this is possible in case of Lilypond (and not very difficult if you already have Linux). There's no way to do sth like that in Fin/Sib :P Looks like we might need something like URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_master_fonts or whatever is supposed to be used in its lieu instead. Multiple master fonts contain two or more masters — that is, original font styles — and enable a user to interpolate between these masters along a continuous range of axes. That sounds awesome! Yes, it would be great to have this (i didn't even know that there already exist systems that interpolate between two given fonts!). Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
Re multiple master fonts, this concept predated OpenType and is no longer current. There are some uses for it in in-house font design - which to some extent could include lilypond - but MM fonts are not really offered any more, and nobody is developing along those lines. It's more or less an obsolete technology, and could not be recommended for lilypond. Andrew Janek Warchoł 5 September 2013 11:09 PM Looks like we might need something like URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_master_fonts or whatever is supposed to be used in its lieu instead. "Multiple master fonts contain two or more "masters" — that is, original font styles — and enable a user to interpolate between these masters along a continuous range of "axes."" That sounds awesome! Yes, it would be great to have this (i didn't even know that there already exist systems that interpolate between two given fonts!). Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org schrieb: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2013/9/4 Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net: That is interesting. Janek's modifications are slight but make everything look a little tighter. I like it especially the different flags. Thank you! If you have access to a Linux box (could be Ubuntu in a virtual machine) and you'd like to try building lilypond with this change so that you could use it on your scores, i can show you how. It's not really pretty that a house style should require building a particular version of LilyPond. Looks like we might need something like URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_master_fonts or whatever is supposed to be used in its lieu instead. Maybe selectable fonts? ;-) -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet.___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
Hi all, It's not really pretty that a house style should require building a particular version of LilyPond. +1 Multiple master fonts contain two or more masters — that is, original font styles — and enable a user to interpolate between these masters along a continuous range of axes. For my 21st birthday, I asked my parents to get me Minion Pro Multiple Master — yes, I've been a geek for a very long time. =) In any case, I would love to help with this feature in any way I can. Best, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
Hi all, It's more or less an obsolete technology, and could not be recommended for lilypond. What *would* be great — and I would want to support — is what we started discussing a little while ago (a discussion that did not, I believe, come to a satisfactory conclusion): the ability for Lilypond to support multiple different fonts. That way, one could interpolate whatever fonts one wanted into a new font, and simply roll it in to the 'Pond. No doubt this would also be far more user-friendly and flexible. Where are we with that as a possibility and/or desire? Thanks, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: changing the font of moderntab clef
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Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
Please don't post fullquotes with comments above. People can be expected to use their mail reader or other tools if they really need to refer to all the original content for some reason. Instead, just cite what you are referring to and put your comments below. It makes for a lot of work for people replying to you if you think an unsorted full dump of the thread so far is appropriate as a new mail in a mailing list. Andrew Bernard andrew.bern...@gmail.com writes: Janek Warchoł writes: David Kastrup: Looks like we might need something like URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_master_fonts or whatever is supposed to be used in its lieu instead. That sounds awesome! Yes, it would be great to have this (i didn't even know that there already exist systems that interpolate between two given fonts!). Re multiple master fonts, this concept predated OpenType and is no longer current. Except that OpenType does not offer any way to parameterize fonts and/or interpolate between them. The concept predated OpenType, but OpenType did not pick it up. Anvils predated smartphones, and even though smartphones are now more prevalent than anvils, that does not mean that they can adequately replace them. Though I have to admit I am often tempted to try. There are some uses for it in in-house font design - which to some extent could include lilypond - but MM fonts are not really offered any more, and nobody is developing along those lines. Sure, that's what whatever is supposed to be used in its lieu instead is about. It's more or less an obsolete technology, and could not be recommended for lilypond. The font format may be obsolete, but the parameterization technology does not seem to have seen a useful successor in interest. Of course, it has a _predecessor_ in interest in the form of METAFONT getting used for parameterization of fonts across design parameters (most famously of course the Computer Modern families). But that's not really the same as a binary font format supporting parameterization. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi all, It's more or less an obsolete technology, and could not be recommended for lilypond. What *would* be great — and I would want to support — is what we started discussing a little while ago (a discussion that did not, I believe, come to a satisfactory conclusion): the ability for Lilypond to support multiple different fonts. That way, one could interpolate whatever fonts one wanted into a new font, and simply roll it in to the 'Pond. No doubt this would also be far more user-friendly and flexible. Where are we with that as a possibility and/or desire? I think we made good progress on the desire. Not so much on anything else. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Graphics
Shane Brandes wrote
Hi all,
This is really just a few observations on the including of graphics.
I noticed it is possible to import eps files. This is neat. It turns
out that you can move things about using the following:
\markup {{
\vspace #21
\hspace #45
\rotate #45 % This must come after the vertical and horizontal
%adjustments if it is to be used
that's clear - \hspace and \vspace are objects too.
\epsfile #Y #20 #/home/doodles/doodling.eps % this should be noted
in the documentation that you must specify a file location in addition
to the file name. Otherwise lilypond looks in its font folder instead
of where the image actually is.
}}
rather the folder of the .ly file you are running (or the search paths which
you can see using the verbose option)
My question is is there an easier way of deducing position or
assigning position? It takes a bit of guess work to figure out were
the eps will land on the page.
if you don't agree with the default position you can change it - what's
difficult about this?
Also I noticed that there is some sort
of layer property -\tweak #'layer #-1 It would be interesting to place
the image below the score. But for some reason I can not get that to
work. So more fun things Lilypond sort of does.
I don't understand what you mean here - can you post a sketch or the code of
what you're after!?
Eluze
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Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
A clarification re Adobe Multiple Masters font technology. This predated OpenType, and such fonts are no longer offered and are discontinued. I omitted to mention that OpenType does not support the parameterization concept of MM, and so OT is not an evolution of MM. This is generally because MM was seen by typographers as not being excellent in terms of the art of type design, with all sorts of distorted faces being possible. It's related to the way in which type designers cut italics specially, and do not simply slant roman faces to make oblique forms. I think that's the main reason why it died out. Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Graphics
Eluze elu...@gmail.com writes:
Shane Brandes wrote
Hi all,
This is really just a few observations on the including of graphics.
I noticed it is possible to import eps files. This is neat. It turns
out that you can move things about using the following:
\markup {{
\vspace #21
\hspace #45
\rotate #45 % This must come after the vertical and horizontal
%adjustments if it is to be used
that's clear - \hspace and \vspace are objects too.
I'd rather use \translate here.
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Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
[wearing the FreeType maintainer hat] There are some uses for it in in-house font design - which to some extent could include lilypond - but MM fonts are not really offered any more, and nobody is developing along those lines. Basically, I don't see any technical difficulties in using MM fonts... It's more or less an obsolete technology, and could not be recommended for lilypond. The font format may be obsolete, but the parameterization technology does not seem to have seen a useful successor in interest. ... since (a) FreeType supports MM fonts out of the box, in case you need a rasterizer, and (b) there are utilities like `mmpfb' which create Type 1 single-master fonts from Multiple Master fonts. Howver, my opinion is that we don't *need* Multiple Masters in general. What we really need is an option to select a stylistic variant which contains a set of finely tuned glyphs representing a certain style, and OpenType provides the perfect means for that, namely up to 20 stylistic sets (features `ss01' to `ss20'). Alas, lilypond still lacks an interface to OpenType features, which would be very useful for other typographical stuff also. This is issue #1388, BTW. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
I omitted to mention that OpenType does not support the parameterization concept of MM, and so OT is not an evolution of MM. This is not correct. Earlier versions of the OpenType specification *did* support MM, but since Adobe stopped using them, those tables were removed from the OT specs too. This is generally because MM was seen by typographers as not being excellent in terms of the art of type design, with all sorts of distorted faces being possible. It's related to the way in which type designers cut italics specially, and do not simply slant roman faces to make oblique forms. I think that's the main reason why it died out. I think you are mixing up `slanting' and `italic'. Italic glyphs are a completely different *design* and thus beyond what MM was developed for. The main problem was rather that the MM technology appeared about 10 years too early, and no adequate font designer support was available. Compare this to well hinted TrueType fonts: Only with the release of the Visual TrueType editor, about 10 years after the invention of TrueType, font designers (or rather well-paid font hinters) were actually capable of hinting glyphs by themselves efficiently, more or less. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
Hi, 2013/9/5 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca: What *would* be great — and I would want to support — is what we started discussing a little while ago (a discussion that did not, I believe, come to a satisfactory conclusion): the ability for Lilypond to support multiple different fonts. That way, one could interpolate whatever fonts one wanted into a new font, and simply roll it in to the 'Pond. No doubt this would also be far more user-friendly and flexible. Where are we with that as a possibility and/or desire? Speaking only for myself: high desire, very low possibility for work. I already have started too many LilyPond projects :( I am really sorry and i wish i could work on this stuff, but first i have to finish things that i've started. And frankly speking, while this would be an awesome addition, i think that it is not very important (or at least urgent) compared to, say, fixing ties (i have to go back to this!) or fixing issue 2658. :-( best, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org schrieb: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2013/9/4 Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net: That is interesting. Janek's modifications are slight but make everything look a little tighter. I like it especially the different flags. Thank you! If you have access to a Linux box (could be Ubuntu in a virtual machine) and you'd like to try building lilypond with this change so that you could use it on your scores, i can show you how. It's not really pretty that a house style should require building a particular version of LilyPond. Looks like we might need something like URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_master_fonts or whatever is supposed to be used in its lieu instead. Maybe selectable fonts? ;-) You still need to parameterize them, create them and give them a name. That's less transparent than just specifying the respective values you want. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Trouble with extent of Hairpins
Hi Peter, How does one create a hairpin that crosses the barline but ends at the first note in the bar? http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=595 Hope this helps! Kieren.= Just the ticket thanks. I had searched the hairpin interface but didn't find this override. I will try to see how I miised it. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Trouble with extent of Hairpins
Hairpins seem to interact with bar lines in a way I do not understand.
When the required hairpin is between two notes on either side of a bar line it
ends before the bar line even though the \! is placed
after the second note (A). If the \! is placed after a second note following
the bar line the the hairpin extends too far (B).
I have used \tweak to even up the hairpin lengths which works inside a bar. (I
have a lot of trouble with hairpins!)
How does one create a hairpin that crosses the barline but ends at the first
note in the bar?
\version 2.16.2
\relative c''' {
\clef treble
\time 3/4
e2\ e4~ -\tweak #'minimum-length #6 \
e2-\tweak #'minimum-length #4 \ e4~-\tweak #'minimum-length #6 \
e4\! d4-. e4-. % (A)this hairpin stops short of the bar line
f2\ f4 ~\
f4 e4-.\! fis4-. % (B) this hairpin extends too far
g4-. r4
}
Thanks for any advice
Peter Gentry
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Re: can I set panning in midi
David Kastrup: k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: I can set midi instrument with e.g. [...] but can I set where in the stereo left-right sound picture the sound will be placed ? No. http://www.midi.org/aboutmidi/intromidi.pdf Says on page 14: 42 LSB for Control 10 (Pan) and http://home.roadrunner.com/~jgglatt/tech/midispec/pan.htm mentions pan, perhaps this is fixable. /// In the meantime I'll make make four sound files and mix them together. Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: can I set panning in midi
k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: David Kastrup: k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: I can set midi instrument with e.g. [...] but can I set where in the stereo left-right sound picture the sound will be placed ? No. http://www.midi.org/aboutmidi/intromidi.pdf Says on page 14: 42 LSB for Control 10 (Pan) Nobody doubted that Midi can represent panning. In the meantime I'll make make four sound files and mix them together. Or four tracks and use a Midi editor/tool to set the pan values. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Trouble with extent of Hairpins
Hi Peter, How does one create a hairpin that crosses the barline but ends at the first note in the bar? http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=595 Hope this helps! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Trouble with extent of Hairpins
I had searched the hairpin interface but didn't find this override. I will try to see how I miised it. It's probably buried in line-spanner-interface (or whatever it's called). Cheers, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: can I set panning in midi
Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se wrote: David Kastrup: k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: but can I set where in the stereo left-right sound picture the sound will be placed ? No. http://www.midi.org/aboutmidi/intromidi.pdf Says on page 14: 42 LSB for Control 10 (Pan) and http://home.roadrunner.com/~jgglatt/tech/midispec/pan.htm mentions pan, perhaps this is fixable. David was not trying to say this is not possible in MIDI. He was trying to say this is not possible in Lilypond. Lilypond does not, in general, provide access to arbitrary sysex features in MIDI. There are certainly tools that allow you post-process a MIDI file to set the panning positions. -- Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com Providenza Boekelheide, Inc. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Trouble with extent of Hairpins
Hi Peter, How does one create a hairpin that crosses the barline but ends at the first note in the bar? http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=595 Hope this helps! Kieren.= Just the ticket thanks. I had searched the hairpin interface but didn't find this override. I will try to see how I miised it. I missed it because my search of the manuals for hairpins provided so many hits that I missed the relevant one. The moral being choose your search parameter carefully! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Graphics
\translate is much better, but that command is not on the
documentation page about adding graphics.
Eluze to clarify. Should you wish to move the graphic it takes a bit
of guesswork to place the graphic somewhere else. To further clarify
why this might be useful. Say we are asked to put some funny picture
some distance x,y from a corner you can spend a bit of time working
out how to get it there.
The last bit that was puzzling to you is was something I was not
sufficiently clear about. In lilypond report #20 Valentin Villenave
suggested, three years ago, it might be possibly to add watermarks.
i.e. images that could be placed in a layer below the score. They
might say something like not for distribution or draft or be a picture
of an imprese.
Anyway the whole point of this exercise is to figure that out and be
able to point to another fine and useful thing lilypond can do without
resorting to running the output through a secondary image editor.
Shane
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:56 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
Eluze elu...@gmail.com writes:
Shane Brandes wrote
Hi all,
This is really just a few observations on the including of graphics.
I noticed it is possible to import eps files. This is neat. It turns
out that you can move things about using the following:
\markup {{
\vspace #21
\hspace #45
\rotate #45 % This must come after the vertical and horizontal
%adjustments if it is to be used
that's clear - \hspace and \vspace are objects too.
I'd rather use \translate here.
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Glissando collides with accidentals
I know there is already bug report for this: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2942 But I’d like to know if there is some kind of workaround that I’m missing. Any ideas? -- Peter Crighton | Musician Music Engraver based in Mainz/Wiesbaden, Germany http://www.petercrighton.de ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: can I set panning in midi
Dear Karl, which platform do You use? WIndows, Mac, Linux? For which purposes do You want to use midi? On Linux I can recommand rosegarden (it is very easy to edit midi-files with it), for Windows there are a lot of apps available. I guess reaper is not bad. David Kastrup: k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: David Kastrup: k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: I can set midi instrument with e.g. [...] but can I set where in the stereo left-right sound picture the sound will be placed ? No. http://www.midi.org/aboutmidi/intromidi.pdf Says on page 14: 42 LSB for Control 10 (Pan) Nobody doubted that Midi can represent panning. I didn't know. In the meantime I'll make make four sound files and mix them together. Or four tracks and use a Midi editor/tool to set the pan values. I'm new to midi, if you have suggestions, please say. H?lsningar, /Karl Hammar -- - Asp? Data Lilla Asp? 148 S-742 94 ?sthammar Sverige 0173 140 57 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
merging notes
In Documentation/out-www/notation.pdf, under 1.5.2 Multiple voices,
Collision resolution
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/multiple-voices#collision-resolution
{
c8 d e d c d c4
g'2 fis
} \\ {
c2 c8. b16 c4
e,2 r
} \\ {
\oneVoice
s1
e8 a b c d2
}
1, why is the snippet shown without the surronding \relative c'',
it makes it confusing -- it starts in the wrong octave, doesn't it
2, the e,2 in the second voice is hidden by the d8 in the third voice
isn't that a bug ?
3, if I remove the \oneVoice the graphics becomes sane, why is the
\oneVoice there ?
///
Now, I want to merge two same looking notes. It works well for the
c4 in the third beat, 1st measure, above.
I have:
\version 2.17.10
lcl = { \revert MultiMeasureRest #'staff-position }
ma = \relative c' { \lcl d1 | g2 g | R1\fermataMarkup }
mb = \relative c' { \lcl d1 | d2 d | R1\fermataMarkup }
\new Staff
\new Voice = Va { \voiceOne \ma }
\new Voice = Vb { \voiceTwo \mb }
I need to name the voices for a later \lyricsto,
I want the \voiceOne/Two so the stems comes out right.
(I'm using lilypond 2.17.10)
How do I make the first d1's merge ?
How do I make the \fermataMarkup merge ?
Regards,
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Re: can I set panning in midi
David Kastrup: k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: David Kastrup: k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: I can set midi instrument with e.g. [...] but can I set where in the stereo left-right sound picture the sound will be placed ? No. http://www.midi.org/aboutmidi/intromidi.pdf Says on page 14: 42 LSB for Control 10 (Pan) Nobody doubted that Midi can represent panning. I didn't know. In the meantime I'll make make four sound files and mix them together. Or four tracks and use a Midi editor/tool to set the pan values. I'm new to midi, if you have suggestions, please say. Hälsningar, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sverige 0173 140 57 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Glissando collides with accidentals
Peter Crighton wrote I know there is already bug report for this: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2942 But I’d like to know if there is some kind of workaround that I’m missing. Any ideas? what version do you use - with 2.17.25 I can't see the collision! Eluze -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Glissando-collides-with-accidentals-tp150278p150279.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: [wearing the FreeType maintainer hat] Howver, my opinion is that we don't *need* Multiple Masters in general. What we really need is an option to select a stylistic variant which contains a set of finely tuned glyphs representing a certain style, and OpenType provides the perfect means for that, namely up to 20 stylistic sets (features `ss01' to `ss20'). I agree with this line of thought; from my point of view, the ability to slightly morph a font in a controlled way in a particular dimension or set of dimensions is technologically brilliant but not of sufficient practical use for Lilypond. It doesn't allow for style changes, only dimension changes. In fact the whole practical use of multiple masters was *to keep the style exactly the same*, while just tweaking the width (or the boldness, the degree of slant, whatever dimensions were built in by the font designers). I'm afraid in Lilypond's context a multiple-master font would turn out to be a time-consuming toy that only its individual designer would ever really make much use of. What people would really make use of would be the ability to select *a different font altogether*, one that had a starkly different style - including for example significant tweaks to the spacing algorithm, differently-shaped rests, different relations of stem thickness to note size to staff size, different dynamics font, brand-new clefs, the works. (And, in an ideal situation, such a font would be able to be part of an integrated over-all style template, such as the one under construction by Kieren. My sense is that he's already going in just the right direction, and simply lacks time and tools.) At this point in history, there are quite a few recognized and popular visual styles for typesetting music. The attraction is being able to use this style _or_ that style; being able to create an intermediate compromise style between any two of them is IMO a solution in search of a problem. There are (were?) situations where multiple-masters are useful. But music isn't one of them IMO. -- David R ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Glissando collides with accidentals
I use 2.17.24, haven’t got to the update yet – but that would be fantastic if it was fixed in the new version! I’ll try it out, but probably only tomorrow. -- Peter Crighton | Musician Music Engraver based in Mainz, Germany http://www.petercrighton.de 2013/9/5 Eluze elu...@gmail.com Peter Crighton wrote I know there is already bug report for this: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2942 But I’d like to know if there is some kind of workaround that I’m missing. Any ideas? what version do you use - with 2.17.25 I can't see the collision! Eluze -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Glissando-collides-with-accidentals-tp150278p150279.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
On 09/05/2013 11:49 PM, David Rogers wrote: There are (were?) situations where multiple-masters are useful. But music isn't one of them IMO. Lyrics are, I suppose, but only for character width. But how many multiple master fonts are there in existence? And how many free ones? Alas, I found one: http://www.fontfabrik.com/lucfuse.html FUSE 11 has pornography as theme. My contribution to this issue is a MultipleMaster font. [...] Five characters are converted to small FREE PORNO MOVIES. New versions use antialiasing and gif compression. So, only lyrics for pop songs. Good night, sleep tight... Alexander ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Double slurs on automatic part combining
I am using the automatic part combiner in preparing SATB hymn sheets. The issue I have is that when the notes are chorded by the apc, if there is a slur (in both parts), only one slur is printed (as is seen in the documentation for automatic part combining). In virtually all the examples I've seen, in these cases, there is a double slur. I realize that I could probably go in and use the double slur setting manually, but one of the purposes of what I'm doing is to allow a person to input each of the four voice parts separately and not have to worry about how the parts are going to interact when combined. Is there a way to have double slurs whenever the parts are chorded and single slurs when separate, without specifying any tweaks within the parts themselves? Cheers, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Glissando collides with accidentals
I believe this bug was finally fixed in the very latest version (2.17.15). Prior to that I made a macro that adjusted the Glissando.bound-details.right.padding value temporarily each time, but it has no use now. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Glissando-collides-with-accidentals-tp150278p150288.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Ottava collision with bar line
Hello all,
In the example below when you get to the second measure the ottava
symbol 8va collides with the bar line. I know that typically these
symbols will be above the upper staff or below the lower staff but not
in the middle like this but for this score it is necessary. For the
time being I've replaced the 8vas with 8s and it works fine (no
collisions) but I'd like to learn how to fix this anyway by nudging
the 8va symbol over.
\version 2.17.25
\language english
upper = { a'4 a' a' a' a' a' a' a' }
lower ={ cs''1 \ottava #1 a'' cs''' g''' \ottava #0 }
\score {
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff=upper \upper
\new Staff=lower \lower
}
Thanks,
Dave Bellows
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Re: merging notes
On 09/05/2013 10:44 PM, Karl Hammar wrote:
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/multiple-voices#collision-resolution
{
c8 d e d c d c4
g'2 fis
} \\ {
c2 c8. b16 c4
e,2 r
} \\ {
\oneVoice
s1
e8 a b c d2
}
1, why is the snippet shown without the surronding \relative c'',
it makes it confusing -- it starts in the wrong octave, doesn't it
If you click on the image you see the ly-file, and that in fact uses
surrounding \relative c''. But it's assumed in the text.
2, the e,2 in the second voice is hidden by the d8 in the third voice
isn't that a bug ?
(I think you mean the e8 in the third voice.) I don't think it is a bug,
but it's contradictory to the text; as it says: [...] beat 1 in bar 2,
where the automatic merging fails.. The merging appears fine!
3, if I remove the \oneVoice the graphics becomes sane, why is the
\oneVoice there ?
Yes, it is the \oneVoice that makes the merging happen, which was not
supposed according to the text. My best explanation would be that
\oneVoice makes the voice behave like it were a single voice instead of
voice 3. And that do seem appropriate for the passage.
Best
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Re: can I set panning in midi
Stefan Thomas: which platform do You use? WIndows, Mac, Linux? Linux. For which purposes do You want to use midi? Producing exercise sound files for the choir, they basically wants mp3's or something similar. I have tried ogg but their systems kind of not understands that. I'd like to have e.g. basses at left, tenors mid left, altos mid right and sopranos at right, to make each voice easier to hear and follow. On Linux I can recommand rosegarden (it is very easy to edit midi-files Trying rosegarden, immense abount of debug msg on the terminal, lots of buttons I don't understand, yes I can see it connected to jack, no sound, yes there a knob with pan labelled here, etc... oops why does it abort? I have been using timidity, but it doesn't seem to have a pan control, maybe sox can help. Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: can I set panning in midi
on 2013-09-06 at 00:50 Karl Hammar wrote: Trying rosegarden, immense abount of debug msg on the terminal, lots of buttons I don't understand, yes I can see it connected to jack, no sound, yes there a knob with pan labelled here, etc... oops why does it abort? ugh, i'm sorry you're having so much trouble with rosegarden... it's not an application i particularly love, but it should work better than that, really. what linux distribution are you using, and which version of rosegarden? i don't bother with jack or any audio output in rosegarden, i just use it for some basic editing of midi files, and then render with timidity. i just tried editing a midi file with several tracks, and inserting a control event (control 10) in each track was easy and it worked. you have to open the event editor for each track, and then insert event from the menu. it should just work... good luck, lj ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Glissando collides with accidentals
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Re: Glissando collides with accidentals
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Re: Double slurs on automatic part combining
Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com writes:
I am using the automatic part combiner in preparing SATB hymn sheets. The
issue I have is that when the notes are chorded by the apc, if there is a
slur (in both parts), only one slur is printed (as is seen in the
documentation for automatic part combining).
Why would you use the part combiner? I know SATB as basically
\new ChoirStaff
\new Staff { \clef treble { \soprano } \\ { \alto } }
\new Staff { \clef bass { \tenor } \\ { \bass } }
namely _without_ joining stems. At any rate, if you want soprano/alto
to retain upwards/downwards slurs, just write ^( and _( explicitly
(\slurUp/\slurDown is not strong enough).
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Re: Double slurs on automatic part combining
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:44 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com writes:
I am using the automatic part combiner in preparing SATB hymn sheets. The
issue I have is that when the notes are chorded by the apc, if there is a
slur (in both parts), only one slur is printed (as is seen in the
documentation for automatic part combining).
Why would you use the part combiner? I know SATB as basically
\new ChoirStaff
\new Staff { \clef treble { \soprano } \\ { \alto } }
\new Staff { \clef bass { \tenor } \\ { \bass } }
That depends. Virtually without exception, every hymnal I have used in
church or have in my library uses joined stems except when there are
different melodies or the notes are separated by less than a diatonic third
(this has required some rewriting of the part combiner scheme file
to accommodate these style rules).
namely _without_ joining stems. At any rate, if you want soprano/alto
to retain upwards/downwards slurs, just write ^( and _( explicitly
(\slurUp/\slurDown is not strong enough).
I will take a look at the modifiers. I'm so used to using \slurUp and
\slurDown I forgot ^ and _ can be used for that. The goal of the template
system I'm working on is to require practically no tweaks/overrides/etc.
that do not impact the actual musical performance, to potentially allow
non-Lilypond people to help with only a rudimentary knowledge of notation
syntax.
Thanks,
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Re: Double slurs on automatic part combining
Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:44 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com writes:
I am using the automatic part combiner in preparing SATB hymn sheets. The
issue I have is that when the notes are chorded by the apc, if there is a
slur (in both parts), only one slur is printed (as is seen in the
documentation for automatic part combining).
Why would you use the part combiner? I know SATB as basically
\new ChoirStaff
\new Staff { \clef treble { \soprano } \\ { \alto } }
\new Staff { \clef bass { \tenor } \\ { \bass } }
That depends. Virtually without exception, every hymnal I have used in
church or have in my library uses joined stems except when there are
different melodies or the notes are separated by less than a diatonic third
(this has required some rewriting of the part combiner scheme file
to accommodate these style rules).
Well, this is probably going nowhere fast, but it's moderately amusing
that it seems to do something:
soprano = \relative c'' { e( f) c( d) }
alto = \relative c'' { c( d) c( d) }
\new Staff \with { \consists Stem_engraver }
\new Voice \with { \remove Stem_engraver \voiceOne } \soprano
\new Voice \with { \remove Stem_engraver \voiceTwo } \alto
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Re: Double slurs on automatic part combining
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:11 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Well, this is probably going nowhere fast, but it's moderately amusing that it seems to do something: Agreed on both counts. This probably means that if it bothers me enough, I'm going to have to go back into the part-combiner.scm file and dissect it. While my hands are in the patient, I might as well figure out how to get it to combine tied and slurred notes (such as on a suspension). The code for both is probably in the same general vicinity. The question is whether it bothers me enough, or if I'm willing to either put up with the individual tweaks or letting the current default output be what it is. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: can I set panning in midi
On 6 September 2013 08:50, Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se wrote: Stefan Thomas: which platform do You use? WIndows, Mac, Linux? Linux. For which purposes do You want to use midi? Producing exercise sound files for the choir, they basically wants mp3's or something similar. I have tried ogg but their systems kind of not understands that. I'd like to have e.g. basses at left, tenors mid left, altos mid right and sopranos at right, to make each voice easier to hear and follow. On Linux I can recommand rosegarden (it is very easy to edit midi-files Trying rosegarden, immense abount of debug msg on the terminal, lots of buttons I don't understand, yes I can see it connected to jack, no sound, yes there a knob with pan labelled here, etc... oops why does it abort? I have been using timidity, but it doesn't seem to have a pan control, maybe sox can help. Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user I wrote the attached script for exactly this purpose. It saves mucking around with anything more sophisticated than a simple MIDI player. The tracks are distributed evenly across the panning range. Unfortunately it requires Lua, but Lua is small and the last few times I’ve found it very easy to install. More detailed instructions are in the script... Vaughan panning.lua Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Double slurs on automatic part combining
Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:44 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
Why would you use the part combiner? I know SATB as basically
\new ChoirStaff
\new Staff { \clef treble { \soprano } \\ { \alto } }
\new Staff { \clef bass { \tenor } \\ { \bass } }
That depends. Virtually without exception, every hymnal I have used in
church or have in my library uses joined stems except when there are
different melodies or the notes are separated by less than a diatonic
third (this has required some rewriting of the part combiner scheme
file to accommodate these style rules).
As another data point, the small cross-section of Canadian hymn books
easily available to me (ranging from the 1910s to the 1990s) mostly
agree with what Carl is seeing; the only hymn book I have that prints
everything (except obvious keyboard chords) with separate stems is the
one from before 1920, which was printed in movable type. All the others
merge the stems at all times, except for unisons, seconds, and anything
that would otherwise be ambiguous.
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Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
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Re: Feta font modifications by Janek
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