Re: SciTE and Lilypond

[D Josiah Boothby]

It shouldn't be hard to look over the SciTE properties file for TeX/LaTeX 
filetypes and edit that to be lilypond compatible. I've started a couple 
times, but since I keep going back to Emacs, I've never really seen it to 
be worth my while. :)


Josiah

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, RDNewman wrote:



At the  SciTE web site , there seems to be a pretty cool source code editor
that can be set up to auto compile if the right commands are given.  It
needs a lexer to support Lilypond though.

I'm fairly new to Lilypond and am using it to support my efforts to learn
the guitar.

Is there a recommended editor (I'm on Windows here, or I'd consider Kate or
something similar) that is already recognizes .ly files for syntax
highlighting and can handle make style compilations?

Thanks much.

Kind regards,
Richard Newman
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Re: stuck with alto\bass notes

[D Josiah Boothby]

Two things you might want to read in the manual, and I will assume you're 
using version 2.6:


First, as an attempt to answer your question, you might find sections 2.10 
(Combining notes into chords) and 2.16 (Single staff polyphony) useful. 
Also, section 6.6 is devoted to a more thorough discussion on polyphony 
and may have some details you might find relevant.


Second, you might want to take a look at section 2.3 (More about pitches), 
and look at how notes should be indicated, even when using a key 
signature. In particular, this may be helpful, for instance, for the first 
couple notes in the soprano voice.


Josiah

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, jango wrote:




why not try something, compile it, and if you don't like the results,
either change octaves (using , or ') or use the --png option and show us
a picture of what's wrong. honestly, i'm not entirely sure what you're
asking.


sorry, i will try to clarify that =)

I have that piece of music.
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled7et2.jpg

I've succesefully entered the soprano and tenor note sequence and got
something like that:
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled9cw.jpg

Now I want to enter the note sequence for alto (red notes on the picture)

The problem is that I cannot find the way (i tried adding ' ) to put these
notes on the stave.

So basically I'm asking what letter sequence ( and "/relative" key)  would
the represent the first red note?

thanks!
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Re: help! need an example

[D Josiah Boothby]

actually, if you boiled it down to a measure or two, and called it 
something like "chorale with lyrics", it would probably be quite useful.


On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, jango wrote:



i will definitly do that, though i don't think that music will be very useful
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Re: help! need an example

[D Josiah Boothby]

There are two parts to my response: I will try to give you an outline that 
Should Work, then I will suggest that when you finally *do* finish it, you 
submit what you have to the Lilypond Snippet Repository (LSR) which can be 
found here: http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/


% example code begins
\version "2.6.6" %if you're using a different version, change this

% first, i set up a few variables: one or two that include information 
% useful for all voices or staves, and then one for each voice


global = {
  % what's your key? time signature? i also sometimes use this variable
  % with skips to draw barlines and, if relevant, rehearsal marks.
}

soprano = \relative c'' {
  % insert note information for the soprano voice here
}

alto = \relative c'' {
  % insert note information for the alto voice here
}

tenor = \relative c' {
  % insert note information for the tenor voice here
}

bass = \relative c {
  % insert note information for the bass voice here.
  % also, if you have the octaves in the bass, you will have to use
  % chord syntax, so something like 4, or whatever it is.
  % if you find this chord syntax a little confusing when combined with
  % the \relative environment, try it until it works. compiling a score
  % doesn't take much time.
}

% now i start putting things together. since i personally prefer to only 
% deal with staves, not voices, in the \score block, i create a couple

% more variables

topLine = {
  \clef treble
  <<
\soprano
\\
\alto
  >>
}

bottomLine = {
  \clef bass
  <<
\tenor
\\
\bass
  >>
}

% now i put things together in the score block

\score {
  \context PianoStaff <<
\context Staff = "upper" {
  << \global \topLine >>
}
\context Staff = "lower" {
  << \global \bottomLine >>
}
  >>
}

% end of example

I have not tested this example, so there may be spelling errors in funny 
places, or I may have omitted points. I could have saved myself a 
significant amount of time by just giving you exactly what you asked of us 
(to notate, for you, the progression in the picture); however, if I did, I 
doubt that would have helped you understand Lilypond usage. Because the 
matter of putting things together in a logical fashion isn't necessarily 
something that is easy to figure out from reading the manual, I decided to 
give you an outline of how to put it all together. Hopefully it is 
helpful, and like I said at the beginning, I would encourage you to submit 
your final example to the LSR so that others are able to benefit from 
this.


By the way, there are a couple things you might look at: in the examples 
page in the documentation, the fugue for three voices was immensely 
helpful to me when I had to do something similar when I first started 
using Lilypond. Also, there are some templates in the main documentation 
that are quite useful.


Good luck.


On Sun, 12 Mar 2006, jango wrote:



I'm trying to copy music using lilypond, even though I read half of the
manual I don't understand ways of putting notes in a correct sequence :)  i
have a piece of music, it's really short (like 12 notes). I want to ask
somebody help me and explain how the notes sequence should look like.

here is the piece pf music:
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled7et2.jpg

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Re: want blank music for concert/theatre organ printed landscape

[D Josiah Boothby]

If you go to the Lilypond Snippet Repository (LSR), do a search for blank 
manuscript paper (staff paper, something like that). There is an expample 
there of how to do most of the tings you are asking about, and I think 
you've figured out everything else (namely, how to make a landscape page).


I seem to recall there being a link to the LSR somewhere in the lilypond 
website (I think that if you follow the Documentation link on the top of 
the main page, you will find it), but I don't have the link immediately 
available.


Good luck,

Josiah

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi,

Has anyone created a template for printing blank paper for concert/theatre pipe 
organ?

Ideally three systems per page, but two might be more reasonable since I need 
room to enter registrations. I want to reduce symphonic music to 
concert/theatre organ and would like to have the music paper printed landscape 
for transcription before entering the finished product into LilyPond. Using 
WinXP 2.7.36, all I am getting is one system in Portrait, despite the 
'landscape added according to the Tutorial/Tips.

TIA!

Dave, Seattle, WA, USA




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Re: lilypond and inkscape (again)

[D Josiah Boothby]

Is it possible that if fontforge was compiled without support for svg that 
this sort of problem might exist? If that is the case, then it might be a 
packaging issue.


Josiah

On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:


Pedro Kröger wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pedro Kröger) writes:



Hi,

Some time ago I asked [1] about opening lilypond's svg files in
inkscape. The tip in that thread worked but now inkscape is again
showing boxes instead of note heads. But the emmentaler font (all of
them) is in ~/.fonts, I've re-run fc-cache and inkscape is definatelly
finding it (I can see it in the font menu). I'm mising something?





It works for me.

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Re: Defining shortcuts for scheme code

[D Josiah Boothby]

This would be particularly useful if you had a file containing a number of 
your shortcuts, so all you would have to do is something like this:


\include "shortcutsFile.ly"

then call whatever shortcut(s) you need, when you need them.

Josiah

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Thies Albrecht wrote:


Hi everybody!

To prevent having to use extensive scheme code inside my score I prefer to 
define shortcuts for often used code snippets, e.g. when setting ottavation 
on and off.


In the following code example Point'n'click is turned off also IMHO I have 
only defined the shortcut without using it. Now I wonder if my way of 
defining shortcuts is okay or if I've misunderstood the documentation on 
that.


Example:


\version "2.7.34"

noPnC = #(ly:set-option 'point-and-click #f)

\relative c'' {c1}

--
End of example


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Re: faster lilypond rendering

[D Josiah Boothby]

I produce a 70 pages conductor's score in less than half an hour (and 
this is a *very* conservative estimate) on a two years old PC. True, it 
has 2GB of memory, but other than that, it is to be considered a fairly 
old beast by today's standards.


...

And it takes forever on my 700Mhz PII!  So, cutting out processing of 
sections of music is of little use.  I'm really looking for faster 
rendering in general... The final phase of rendering a 28 page 
conductor's score takes hours.  This is much more than twice as long as 
other scores that are approximately half the length.


...

FWIW, this could be caused by or at least exacerbated by poor memory 
usage in the conversion phase.  If the PS to PDF conversion loads the 
whole document into memory at once, this could all be the result of 
swap thrashing.


A two-year-old PC with 2G ram is not going to be at all equivalent to a 
700 Mhz PII, no matter how much ram is being used. As suggested, the small 
amount of memory is probably the culprit. It may be helpful to look 
through the manual or the list archives for how to disable the 
point-and-click feature, which adds information to almost all of the 
symbols. I seem to recall a thread or three discussing this, and if you 
are able to disable the point-and-click, you will probably get faster 
ps->pdf conversion (and faster processing in general).


Josiah


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Re: MIDI Input/Invoke

[D Josiah Boothby]

I think Recordare has plugins or something of that nature that allow Sibelius 
to output MusicXML.


Sorry, I meant to dig up the link and include that before sending. Here it 
is: http://store.recordare.com/dolet3sib.html


I've never used this, so I can't verify its quality. If you go this way, I 
hope it works.


Josiah


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Re: MIDI Input/Invoke

[D Josiah Boothby]

Not being a windows user, I can't really help you with the matter of 
invocation. However, on the matter of midi2ly and translating midi files 
to lilypond, there has been considerable discussion on this list. 
Regarding midi2ly:


I need to know everything there is to turn a MIDI file into a Lilypond 
file.


This is something that I, also have found confusing. Part of the problem 
is that midi is a glorified piano roll punch card. Midi is very badly 
suited to music notation, since it's designed -- specifically -- to be a 
set of instructions for the production of sound. Translating this to the 
(relative) simplicity of typography is difficult. I have personally never 
gotten a midi file adequately translated. As mentioned by Graham, many 
people --including me -- find that starting from scratch is probably 
easier than dealing with translation software (such as midi2ly).


However, if you have a substantial body of work, and typing it from 
scratch would be far too time consuming, I would encourage you to evaluate 
MusicXML. I think Recordare has plugins or something of that nature that 
allow Sibelius to output MusicXML. It is probably much easier to go from 
MusicXML to Lilypond than from Midi to Lilypond. Further, there are two 
tools available for this job, both of which seem to have generated 
positive results. I have never used them, but I think they're called 
musicxml2ly and xml2ly. I'm not positive, so search the archive for 
MusicXML.


Good luck,

Josiah


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Re: etf2ly

[D Josiah Boothby]

Or should I just re-notate the whole thing?


I know that this is just a way for me to admit to being a bit of a 
masochist, but I generally find it easier (and just as time consuming) to 
start over. I've tried using the lily code that Rosegarden, NoteEdit, and 
Denemo produce, but I spend so much time correcting code -- sometimes only 
so that it looks a particular way that makes it easier for me to read, 
sometimes because I don't like the way the programs organize everything -- 
that I usually give up and start typing from scratch.


In my experience, things only get more complicated when dealing with a 
translator. I have not had good experiences with trying to turn midi files 
into lily source, though it's been long enough that the tools that perform 
that function are probably more mature. Granted, my experience is limited. 
I'm too lazy: I'd rather just type out a new score than deal with mucking 
out the old.


I don't know. The way I've answered your question sounds suspiciously like 
the host of editor questions that have been filling up the list lately. I 
suppose the best cure for this may be following the advice Mats gave me 
for something totally unrelated about a year or so ago: Try it. Doing it 
Josiah's way is probably not the best way to do it.






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Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17

[D Josiah Boothby]

There were a few mentioned above. Someone recently pointed out that Emacs 
is available for Windows, and (if you prefer) so is Vim (both are easy to 
find with google).


In my former windows days, I used NoteTab:
http://www.notetab.com/

My brother, who actually makes money writing code, likes metapad:
http://www.liquidninja.com/metapad/

Someone else above mentioned Notepad++:
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm

Someone else also mentioned Scintilla/SciTE:
http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html

Hope this is helpful,

Josiah


On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Paul Scott wrote:

Besides the several editors commonly used by LilyPond people mentioned
on this list there are several nice shareware editors which really are
text editors like EditPad.


"Several" nice text editors for Windows?  Can you name some of the others?

Thanks.

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Re: newbie:poor quality output

[D Josiah Boothby]

Are you referring to printed output or screen display of the pdf?

Different PDF viewers and ghostscript libraries seem to produce different 
results on screen, sometimes in some fairly problematic ways. I have seen 
no problems when I've printed to paper, however.


Josiah

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, debian wrote:


Please,

I have just started using Lilypond (2.4.5) on a debian sarge system
and I am getting on reasonably well with the syntax.

But, the quality of my pdf files is very poor.  Notes and staff lines
etc look ugly.  Probably this is a font problem, but I do not know how
to proceed.

Thanks

Joe


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Re: User Experience Engineering

[D Josiah Boothby]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Joshua Koo wrote:

I have no say in Lilypond development, but I do have similar thoughts I
would like to share (well as maybe a more bias windows user).


It seems to me that part of the issue that's at play in this thread is a 
matter of porting software from a Unix-based environment to Windows. 
Unix/Linux philosophy is very accepting of finding whatever editor works 
best for the user for the given application (in this case, creating 
lilypond files), where the Windows philosophy seems to be that if it 
doesn't automatically work with whatever is already installed, then it 
must be broken. If, as has already been pointed out, there were (more) 
people helping develop lilypond for Windows, perhaps this would be less of 
an issue. But on the subject of editors, I know one programmer who likes 
using notepad for coding (but that's only because he does a lot of work on 
other people's computers without knowing if they have his favorite editor 
available already). There are dozens of programmers editors available for 
Windows. I remember liking Note-Tab back when I was still on Windows, but 
I don't know if (a) it still exists, or (b) if it's any good for lilypond.



...

If after all the purpose of lilypond is produce beautiful scores, why 
cant the input be visual? I dont have the answer. For me, if I wanted to 
compose, in my mind would be thinking where the notes on the score for 
entry, rather than what are the pitch names.


Not being the sort who can compose at a computer (I'm a pen(cil) and paper 
man), I can't really understand this sentiment. I can respect it in 
others, but I can't understand it. Typesetting software, in my opinion, is 
not the best environment for composing; it is, however, an ideal 
environment for taking something that's already composed and making it 
look professional. I'm very comfortable using Finale, at least as 
comfortable as I am with Lilypond. I still can't compose in it, in spite 
of the fact that it is a (more) visually-based entry system.


For example, take 3d modelling/rendering software. I do appreciate the 
beauty of pov-ray rendered images, but it seems to me very painstaking 
to type the syntax, coordinates and everything just to generate each 
image. Could you imagine how if its used create a 3d movie? But I 
believe there are a couple of good frontends for it. If you have seen 
any relatively experienced user work in 3ds max (or maya, lightwave, 
blender3d..), its really like the mouse becomes a hand in the computer, 
and moulding 3d models from blocks like how pots are moulded from clay.


Again, this reminds me of the Unix-ish software philosophy: different 
tools for different jobs. Pov-Ray is not ideal for all sorts of image 
work, and is certainly not the best tool for every user. It is a very 
powerful tool in the hands of someone for whom it makes sense and who will 
use it for its intended purposes.



...
Till then, take your pick on the wide choices of score setting software, 
and even if still chose lilypond at the end, you can find the converters 
(abc, midi,musicxml, nwc.. ) or many others which can produce lilypond 
files (lilypad, gscore, denemo, noteedit, rosegarden, harmony 
assistance..), and issnt that the unix philosophy?


Perhaps. I've found that I have to correct a lot when I import from 
Rosegarden, and that I end up saving considerable time if I just go from 
beginning to end in whatever editor I happen to be using that day. LSR and 
the templates in the manual are more useful to me than any graphical entry 
system could be. But hitting the point of unix philosophy again, you're 
right on. Additionally, it's a matter of choice. I used the KDE Advanced 
Text Editor last week because I was in KDE and it was convenient. A couple 
weeks ago, I was using Emacs because I was editing a score that resided on 
my home computer, but I was at my parents' house. I hear jEdit with 
lilyTool is quite useful, and this is available for any OS that can use 
java 1.5.


Josiah


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Re: Ubuntu Problem

[D Josiah Boothby]

There are two things that this reminds me of. Did you include the entire 
line, including the "deb" at the beginning? Did you run apt-get update (or 
the synaptic equivalent)?


Josiah

On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, S L Raymond wrote:


after adding that line, I get the following error when running synaptic:

W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com
breezy-backports/universe Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
 - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com
breezy-backports/multiverse Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages)
 - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com
breezy-backports/universe Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
 - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com
breezy-backports/multiverse Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages)
 - stat (2 No such file or directory)

On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 17:37 +0100, Gauvain Pocentek wrote:

Hi,

LilyPond 2.6 is available on the backports repository.
Add this line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file:

deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted
universe multiverse

There's a non-solved-but-known-bug on the lily package. You need to
install tetex-bin to avoid troubles.

Gauvain


S L Raymond wrote:


I'm running version 2.2 in Ubuntu Breezy Badger, and Synaptic tells me
2.2 is the latest, when it's clear that 2.6 is the current stable.

Any Debian/Ubuntu gurus care to tell me what steps to take to manually
upgrade?  I'm stuck with a version that still notates maj7 chords as "M"
chords, so I need to get out of 2.2 as quickly as possible (I've got
deadlines).

Thanks in advance.


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half-stop sign

[D Josiah Boothby]

how much to sponser the addition of a half-stop sign (similar to the 
mathematical circled plus) to the feta font? or is it just easier to try 
to use a text markup to put it in?


josiah


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Re: A few questions

[D Josiah Boothby]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Jannik Jeppesen wrote:
Is it possible to Make all the bars exact the same size? It does not look 
good that the bars does not stand exactly above each other

Any Ideas (or just a link to the manual:-))


If you search through the mailing list archives, you will find extensive 
discussion on this matter.


Josiah


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Re: A few questions

[D Josiah Boothby]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Jannik Jeppesen wrote:

Hi... is there really no one who ca?n help me with this. Please...?
 I have a few questions.


As a general piece of advice that unfortunately not very helpful with any 
of the questions that you asked, splitting up your questions is a very 
good idea. Along with this, instead of an email subject reading "A few 
questions" or "I have a question" or "Lilypond is confusing", a subject 
that directly pertains to the question at hand would help the community in 
a number of ways. Most helful to yourself in the sense that those of us 
who might know enough about midi (for instance) could help you with a 
midi-related question; but also helpful to other users who might have the 
same question, but who have not (yet) asked the community.


Good luck. I think you'll find that if you stick with Lilypond, the 
quality of output alone is very rewarding, but the way it all works -- 
text based entry, so having a generally logical organization system -- 
saves time and makes one wonder why one ever used Finale or Sibelius 
before.


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Re: switching to lilypond from finale

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You might try downloading it from its sourceforge page. I seem to recall 
doing that once when the jEdit servers were down and I couldn't download 
the plugins through jEdit.


Josiah

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, David Rogers wrote:



On 16-Dec-2005, at 3:38 PM, Bertalan Fodor wrote:


You need java 5.0 (may not be available for your os - sorry)

Bert



I downloaded and installed Apple's version of Java 5.0 - but nothing changed 
for jEdit. Maybe I'm missing a step in the process.


David


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Re: coda placement problem

[D Josiah Boothby]

have you tried overriding with #'padding instead of #'extra-offset?

josiah

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Kenneth Teh wrote:


I'm having trouble placing the coda symbol.  The
closest I've come to what I want is reproduced below.

g2 c,2 | \mark \markup { \small \musicglyph
#"scripts.coda" }  % mark jump point
r8 g'8 af8[ g8] ef4 d4 |
c1~ |
c1
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark
#'break-visibility = #begin-of-line-invisible
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark
#'self-alignment-X = #right
\mark \markup { \small { "D.S. al Coda" } }
\break

% coda

%\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'extra-offset =
#'(-3.0 . 3.0)
r8^\markup { \raise #3.0 {\huge { \musicglyph
#"scripts.coda" } } }
g'8 af8[ g8] ef4 d4 |
r8 g8 af8[ g8] ef4 d4 |
r8 g8 af8[ g8] ef4 d4 |

which I gleaned from reading your archives.  The
problem is that the \raise does not produce an effect.
 If I rewrite the first 2 lines of the coda section
as

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'extra-offset =
#'(-3.0 . 3.0)
r8 \mark \markup { \huge { \musicglyph
#"scripts.coda" } }

then, the "D.S. al Coda" string in the previous bar is
affected, not the coda symbol.

I've also tried attaching the "huge coda" to the bar
line, but this wipes out the "D.S. al Coda" string.
I've read you cannot stack 2 rehearsal marks.

I prefer the rehearsal mark to a straight text markup
because I am scoring something for multiple
instruments.  I write the same rehearsal mark for each
instrument so that when I generate the parts, the
codas are reproduced for each part, but in the combo
score, I see only 1 coda.

A final comment:  Note that I add a break just before
the coda.  This is because I want the coda section to
start on a new line.  There is a small coda in an
earlier bar to mark the "jump" point.  What would
really be nice is to put the "huge coda" right above
the clef at the beginning of the line so that the coda
section is clearly marked.

I'm running Lilypond 2.6.4 on a Mac OS X machine.
Btw, it's a great application.  I discovered it about
2 weeks ago and have been spending my evenings playing
with the software.  Great fun!
I write software for a living myself and it's a really
nice piece of work!!

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Re: triplets

[D Josiah Boothby]

I believe that What you're looking for is \compressMusic. Apparently, it 
works just like \times, but doesn't show the tuplet brackets. I haven't 
used it, so I don't know. It also might be new to 2.7, since I can't seem 
to find any mention of it in the manual (2.6 or 2.7).


I did find some mention of it in the archives (but only because I knew 
what it would be called), here:


http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2005-10/msg00041.html

If you would like to be able to help us help you better, it would probably 
be a good idea to let us know what version you're using. This could be 
relevent information here, and is usually relevent to most questions on 
this list.


Josiah

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, jutta wrote:


Hi,
I would like to "switch" the figures 3 above the triplets "off", but only from
the second measure on. Is there anybody who can just mal me the code?
Thanks
Jutta

{
\time 3/4
\key g \major


<< { \times 2/3 { b''8 [b' g']}
\times 2/3 { b''8 [b' g']}
\times 2/3 { b''8 [b' g']} } \\
{ e2. } >>

<< { \times 2/3 { b''8 [b' g']}
\times 2/3 { a''8 [b' g']}
\times 2/3 { g''8 [b' g']} } \\
{ e2. } >>
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Re: switch to lilypond from finale

[D Josiah Boothby]

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Josu wrote:


Hi list,
i use to work as engraver for publishers companys.
I work with finale2004 under MacOSX, im really impressed by
this new software, but ive got a few
questions:
- How much quick can be this program? I use to work with really
big scores for large orchestra.


I can only speak for my experience, but for me it generally seems faster. 
Especially when dealing with larger groups, since extracting parts is 
much, much easier.


With Finale, I always found it best to have two scores: one which would be 
a conductor's score, and then another that would be used for part 
extraction. Cleaning up parts and score was always very time consuming. I 
usually find Lilypond to be quicker and easier in this respect.


Granted, there are some notable exceptions to this. Dynamics and text 
markups frequently have to be manually moved around to keep from colliding 
with slurs and articulations, and managing dynamics and hairpins can be a 
little counter-intuitive if not placed directly below a note (for example, 
a whole note that begins at forte, diminuendo to piano).


In general, though, I find that a first draft with Lilypond looks better 
than a first draft with Finale.


- What about avant garde notation? i engrave new compositions from alive 
composers, they put a lot of grafics and so. Can lilypond do this stuff? 
is better to work on a grafical software after the first edition in 
lilypond?


Depends on the level of graphics needed. If all you need to do is make 
squiggly lines, postscript commands are pretty easy to do. Otherwise, 
graphical software is probably faster and easier to work with.


Josiah


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Re: Presentation and first doubt

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On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Pedro Mart?nez wrote:


Hello comunity,

At first place I would like to present myself because this is the first time
I write here and I'm so glad to be part of this comunity. My name is Pedro,
I have study Musicology and I didn't know the existence of lilypond until a
few days ago that I finded it casually at the net; I am very surprised for
the posibilities and I hope to learn to use it step by step because I am a
newbie in GNU/Linux, LaTeX and of course Lilypond.


Then welcome!


I am reading the tutorial of the software but firstly at all I have a small
doubt: What I want a page with the staves alone to print it? Because the
first steps in the tutorial is to learn notes, but I would like to know how
to print a page with a format of staves.


If what you're looking for is a way to make blank staff paper, I can tell 
you where to look. If you go to the lilypond website, follow the link at 
the top of the page, "Documentation" and a little way down on the first 
page is a link the the Lilypond Snippet Repository (LSR). If you go to the 
LSR, and do a search for blank staves (I just did a search for "blank" and 
it came up). This is an example that should work with the latest stable 
version of lilypond, though you may need to make some changes to the file 
if you want something different than what you see.


The LSR is a fine resource, and is a good place to start looking when 
you're trying to figure out how to do something.


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Re: Roadmap to lily code

[D Josiah Boothby]

Regarding scheme, I can't really help you and would welcome additional 
explanations. However, in general, the easiest way to learn Lilypond (or 
at least what worked for me) is to go to the mutopia website and download 
lilypond sources. Copy and paste until you get comfortable starting from 
scratch (at which point you'll probably continue copying and pasting 
because you may find that it takes less time).


Also, the LSR (lilypond snippet repository) can be quite useful, but 
unfortunately, I have not spent enough time there to tell you how useful 
it is.


Josiah

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Mehmet Okonsar wrote:


Hello users and creators of the best music notation program in the world!

What can you suggest for learning Scheme?
A set of few links for getting from almost 0 up to Lilypond source.
Recommended readings textbooks and on-line tutorials..
Thanks



-
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Re: Install of 2.6.4 on FreeBSD

[D Josiah Boothby]

I wish I could help you. Have you tried asking this on the bug list?

Gordon Gilbert wrote:

Hi!

My install of 2.6.4 has stopped with the following output:

gmake[1]: Entering directory 
`/usr/ports/distfiles/lilypond-2.6.4/python' /bin/sh 
/usr/ports/distfiles/lilypond-2.6.4/stepmake/stepmake/../bin/install-sh 
-c -d /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.6.4/python /bin/sh 
/usr/ports/distfiles/lilypond-2.6.4/stepmake/stepmake/../bin/install-sh 
-c -m 644 ./out/midi.so /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.6.4/python/ && true 
/usr/ports/distfiles/lilypond-2.6.4/stepmake/stepmake/../bin/install-sh: 
./out/midi.so does not exist.

gmake[1]: *** [local-install-outfiles] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/distfiles/lilypond-2.6.4/python' 
gmake: *** [install] Error 2 
[2:29:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/ports/distfiles/lilypond-2.6.4>


Can anyone tell me how to proceed from here, and get back on track to 
complete the install?  If there is a missing item (/.out/midi.so) does 
somebody have a copy, and where to I put it?  Or if I indeed *have* it, 
where is it, and where does it go?


Blessings,

Fr. Gordon Gilbert


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Re: Newbie needs help with LaTeX/lilypond integration

[D Josiah Boothby]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, Bernard Hurley wrote:


Does LyX work with windows? Maybe with cygwin?


There is a port of LyX for windows. Not being a windows user, I can't say 
how well it works, but I've been pleased with its performance on Linux. 
Info on the windows port can be found onthe following sites:


http://www.home.zonnet.nl/rareitsma/lyx/
http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/Windows


If so I have some scripts for integrating LyX with Lily.  It's all a bit 
experimental at the moment, so I am a bit wary of releasing it, but it 
works for me. If you think it might help I can gather all the bits 
together and add some instructions, but I won't have time to do this 
till Friday


Bernard


I'd be personally curious to try this out if you're willing to share it. 
Lilypond integration (or the lack thereof) is the only thing that has kept 
me from using LyX or Kile. For some reason I always seem to return to 
Emacs :)


Josiah


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Re: lily in agnula ? lily in live distro ?

[D Josiah Boothby]

Does anyone know if there is any momentum to include lilypond on the 
upcoming version of dynebolic?


Josiah

Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:

There is something called Studio to Go
http://www.ferventsoftware.com
British
Expensive
Lilypond is integrated with Rosegarden
I found it to be a total pain
and the version of Lily is 2.2 which isn't really adequate anymore.
Jay

Cyprien Gay wrote:


Hello,

I was wondering whether lilypond is part of agnula.
(it seems not).

Also, is there any live-cd with lilypond on it ?
If not, would that not be a great thing to have,
for the spreading lilypond ?

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Re: PDFLaTeX support (WAS: windows user of lilybook (wanted for help))

[D Josiah Boothby]

Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
If there is interest, PDFLaTeX support for lilypond-book is also a 
sponsorable feature.




How much?


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Re: place prall

[D Josiah Boothby]

You might try treating them the same way you would any articulation, with 
_, -, or ^ depending on where you want it placed. I don't know offhand if 
this would work, though.


Josiah

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Aaron Mehl wrote:


Hi,

I think this is question of where to find this in the
docs.

I want to have a prall not be above the staff but be
below the staff under the note head.

What is it called to move the ornament?
I looked in the docs but couldn't figure out what to
call it.

Thanks
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Re: Magazine Article

[D Josiah Boothby]

Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:

joe ferguson wrote:

There is an article about a highly specialized use of Lilypond in the 
December, 2005, issue of Linux Journal.


Make Stunning Schenker Graphs with GNU Lilypond 




this seems to be a subscription-only article; maybe someone could send a 
complimentary URL ?




Apparently, after 30 days, we should be able to read it because at that 
point it'll be a back issue.



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Re: Problem with title fonts

[D Josiah Boothby]

yes, that's a common problem. try downloading the newest ec-fonts-mftraced 
package from the lilypond page:


http://lilypond.org/download/fonts/

josiah

On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Daniel Hernandez wrote:


Hello group,
I'm a novice Lilypond user. I'm working with lilypond 2.4.5 in debian.
I intalled lilypond with apt-get. Now I'm compiling some lilypond codes,
for example from the lilypond page and not all works fine. The midi an
the scores are ok, but the font of title is not. I see the output from
the examples and the title is in a Roman font (I think computer modern),
but when I compile the same sources the font that I get is a typewriter
font (but not monospaced). I put the result of the comand
$ lilypond --png petite-ouverture-a-danser.ly
in http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~dhernand/lilypond/ How I can get the font 
correctly?


Thanks
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Re: The frust is growing up ... Was: Re: giving up frustrated ... :-(

[D Josiah Boothby]

Unfortunately, this is a bit of a problem with the Debian world. 
Outdated and (relatively) proven is given more importance than 
up-to-date -- even if the up-to-date software is better, more stable, 
and much more desirable.


Because of dependency chains, installing the official 2.6.3 .deb from 
unstable also installs xorg, and may also involve installing new 
versions of gcc, as well as many gnome-related apps and libraries -- 
things that don't necessarily seem, well, necessary. This is 
unfortunate, but as long as you continue using Sarge, you're probably 
going to be stuck with 2.2.6 or whatever version of 2.4 works best for you.


It seems to me that, at this point, the philosophies and mechanics 
involved with being a Debian user (at least if you want, or have, to 
continue using Sarge) are somewhat at odds with the needs of being a 
lilypond user.


Josiah

Roland Goretzki wrote:

Hello list, hello Erik,

You wrote:



Well, a 2.6.3 .deb is in debian unstable now, so perhaps you can try that.



Thank You,
I tried, but on my sarge 3.1 there are some difficulties with
dependencies, so this is not the way ... :-(

Every download (meanwhile more than five) spends over 80 minutes,
because I've only a 56k modem, so I would like to get a REAL solution
soon ...  ;-)

Best Regards   Roland


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Re: creating .deb files

[D Josiah Boothby]

I forgot to mention that there are also a number of files in the debian 
directory that may be important, but I don't know where to begin making 
changes:


GNUmakefile
lilypond-doc.dirs
lilypond-doc.postinst
lilypond-doc.README.Debian
lilypond-doc.doc-base
lilypond-doc.prerm

There are also a number of files that seem to not have been updated since 
2.2.x, such as the control files and the changelog.


Josiah

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, D Josiah Boothby wrote:

i don't know if i should send this here or do lilypond-dev, but i'll send 
here first.


it seems that the compilation is hanging while building the documentation, 
but i'm not certain. if i would like to try *not* building the documentation 
along with the rest of lilypond, would i edit the debian/rules file? if so, 
what would i comment out? if my suspcicion is correct, the relevant section 
looks like this:


build-doc: build build-doc-stamp
build-doc-stamp:
   dh_testdir

   # make info
   $(MAKE) -C Documentation
   # make html
   $(MAKE) web
   $(MAKE) -C Documentation/user omf
#   find . -type d -name 'out-www' | xargs rm -rf

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creating .deb files

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i don't know if i should send this here or do lilypond-dev, but i'll send 
here first.


it seems that the compilation is hanging while building the documentation, 
but i'm not certain. if i would like to try *not* building the 
documentation along with the rest of lilypond, would i edit the 
debian/rules file? if so, what would i comment out? if my suspcicion is 
correct, the relevant section looks like this:


build-doc: build build-doc-stamp
build-doc-stamp:
dh_testdir

# make info
$(MAKE) -C Documentation
# make html
$(MAKE) web
$(MAKE) -C Documentation/user omf
#   find . -type d -name 'out-www' | xargs rm -rf

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Re: Favorite editor

[D Josiah Boothby]

The best editor for LilyPond seems to be jEdit (www.jedit.org) with its 
LilyPond plugin.

(Of course, the best editor at all is either emacs or vi ;-))
I don't really like neither of them.
On MacOS X there's also LilyPad - not as mighty, but very comfortable.


jEdit with LilyTool would be nice(r) if it supported lilypond 2.6+. 
Unfortunately, most of its features don't seem to work with anything 
higher than 2.4. So, if you're still using 2.4, jedit is a great option 
for you.


Josiah


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Re: newer Debian release soon?

[D Josiah Boothby]

For Debian Sarge, I don't know. If you are using testing or unstable (Etch 
or Sid), you *should* be able to get it to compile. Rather, I was able to 
get it to compile. I was not able to create a .deb package. It seems to be 
an issue with lilypond-book, but I don't know.


Granted, last I checked, the texinfo package in Sid is still not high 
enough, but I think it is available in experimental. I had the version 
that was in Etch and was able to compile the source code, but it didn't 
matter what version I had when it came to creating a .deb. It is very 
unlikely that I will have the time to figure out how to make a debian 
package before January.


Josiah

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Sterling Sympatico wrote:


Hi,

Will there be a newer Debian release soon?  I am suspecting Ghostscript
might be holding things up.  Is a personal build from source hard or
achieveable... again, Ghostscript dependencies might be an issue.
Anyone know about this?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: 2.6.3 on debian

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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Gilles wrote:


I just installed 2.6.3 from source on Debian Sarge/Sid. I didn't have any
problems, though I did not try to make the documentation. I am interested
in making a debian package, but am a little intimidated by that whole
process. Hints are needed and encouragement is welcome :)


As stated in a previous post, I'm willing to help with this.
I followed the instructions on the "packaging" page, but it didn't
work through, even without trying to build the documentation.


I also was unable to create a .deb when following the packaging 
instructions. Should I move this conversation over to the developer list, 
or should I dig up the output of the failure?


I don't believe that I had any problems installing from source (as in, 
lilypond seemed to compile cleanly as it didn't give me any errors), so 
I'm a little confused. Granted, the packaging instructions are about a 
half step short of being magic to me, so I can't begin to understand what 
went wrong or how to make it better :)


Josiah


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2.6.3 on debian

[D Josiah Boothby]

I just installed 2.6.3 from source on Debian Sarge/Sid. I didn't have any 
problems, though I did not try to make the documentation. I am interested 
in making a debian package, but am a little intimidated by that whole 
process. Hints are needed and encouragement is welcome :)


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Re: Favorite editor

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I have two favorite ways to go.

My normal method is with a non-X Emacs session (I suppose Vim, Nano would 
work just as well for this as emacs, but I got used to emacs first, so it 
stuck). ctrl-X,ctrl-S,ctrl-Z saves and hides the window, then at the 
command line, I issue the following:


$ lilypond myfile.ly && gv myfile.ps && fg

The pair of ampersands makes it so that if there are errors and lilypond 
doesn't succeed in producing your .ps or .pdf, you can read the error 
messages before typing


$ fg

to get back into your editor. I normally use GV to open my .ps file 
because it's faster (on my old, slow computer) than using any of the 
nice .pdf viewers. I'm sure you have a favorite of your own. This is my 
typical way to go. It is about the fastest way that I've found.


Another way is with Kate, KDE's Advanced Text Editor, a wonderful editor 
if you prefer to spend your time in KDE. It does certain things that 
contribute very nicely to a smooth working environment for writing 
lilypond files. First, there is an embedded terminal that, if you bind a 
key combination (I normally do something like ctrl-T, or at least 
something that doesn't conflict with other useful key-bindings), allows 
you to do something quite similar to my above example. At the prompt, 
enter:


$ lilypond myfile.ly && gv myfile.ps && exit

I like going this way, and using the (La)TeX context highlighting makes 
the file a little easier to read. I personally am not as fond of the 
highlighting scheme that Kate likes to give .ly files, but that has more 
to do with the fact that I get a little dizzy when there are that many 
colors on the screen than anything else.


The other way to go, especially since you're still using version 2.4, is 
with Jedit, with the lilytool plugin. I hear good things about it, but 
have no experience with it. I have liked jedit when I've used it, but I 
have been too lazy so far to figure out how to make it work with 2.6/2.7.


Josiah

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Hans wrote:


Hello everyone,

I am new to the list, but I have been using Lilypond for the last year or so, 
currently version 2.4.5 on Debian Sarge.


Right now I edit ly-files with Midnight Commander, have a terminal open for 
making output and a file-manager to open the pdf or ps. Working like this 
means constant switching between windows (edit, save, run lilypond file.ly in 
the terminal, chech the pdf). Is there an editor for Lilypond like Bluefish 
for html? Or is there a smarter way to work. I would love to hear your 
experience. Thank you.


Hans
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Re: lilypond

[D Josiah Boothby]

These days I'm a composer and I use Sibelius 4 as a composition tool, and the 
thought of learning a new language is rather daunting.


This may or may not be helpful, but it is not a difficult language, as 
languages go.



Do composers use Lilypond as their primary work system?


I do, and I suspect others do. Granted, my needs are fairly easy to meet, 
since I'm not doing very much with nonstandard notational practices. 
However, in my experience with Finale, there's a point at which the 
advantages of the computer (neatness and time savings) are outweighed by 
the needs of the notation, and at that point, it is best to work by hand.


It seems to me that one needs to have a piece already written, on paper 
perhaps, and then input it to your program. Or am I off track here?


Since I've never been able to use Finale or Sibelius as anything more than 
a typographical tool (I can't compose directly into them... I am very 
rarely capable of composing at the computer), I would give the same advice 
for lilypond as for anything else. Have it on paper, at least one draft, 
then put it into your program of choice. This is just the way I work, 
though, so I don't know if it works for you.


Josiah


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cosponsoring ties into alternate endings

[D Josiah Boothby]

would fundable.org be a viable option? from the faq, the segment on how
much it costs:

http://www.fundable.org/help#howmuch

apparently, the price is dependent upon paypal. i am on the morning end
of an all-nighter, so it is entirely possible that i'm missing
something. 

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top-line tempo text markings

[D Josiah Boothby]

I recall a thread on this subject a few months ago, but I have not been
able to find it in the archives. 

I'm trying to create a tempo marking -- something like "Andante" -- that
only shows in the top line of a score, but when parts are extracted,
shows on all of the parts. Similar to a rehearsal mark, but
left-justified at the beginning of the bar where it begins. I'd do a
simple text markup but can't figure out how to make it behave like a
rehearsal mark. 

I've tried doing a \mark \markup, but trying to make it justify left
didn't work. 

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Re: Ties in second endings

[D Josiah Boothby]

On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 09:33 +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> > Ties are not normally continued into second endings, but a standard
> > trick is to add a tie from an invisible note.  One way is to make
> > the invisible note a grace note.  In that way, it doesn't destroy
> > the rhythm.
> 
> Uh, oh, ugly (the situation, not the idea or your code).  Han-Wen,
> handling such situations should be a standard feature of the ties
> module...
> 
> 
> Werner

Not having any income to speak of right now, I may come to regret
mentioning this, but I would be willing to support -- as in co-sponsor
-- a fix to this problem. I don't have much, but it sure would be nice
to be able to rally the support to see ties and slurs resume in
alternative endings situations. 

Josiah



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Re: half-dot

[D Josiah Boothby]

On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 00:42 +0200, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> David Bobroff wrote:
> > I think this music was prepared with either Sibelius or Finale but I'm
> > not sure which (one clue; when slurs/ties pass through time signatures
> > they 'white out' as they cross them).  I used to use Finale but I never
> > encountered this sign before.
> > 
> > Just thought I'd toss this out there.  If it is, or is becoming, a
> > standard notation perhaps LilyPond ought to be able to do it, too.
> 
> I once saw something similar in a score of a Dutch composer. He used 
> dots in 5/8 to be + 1/4, in stead of + 1/2.  It confused the hell out of me.

Joseph Schwantner has a different approach. Writes two dots, one on
either side of the notehead. Takes a little while to get used to it, but
it seems to work. Maybe it goes without saying that the score and parts
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Re: version 2.6.x for debian (unstable or sarge)?

[D Josiah Boothby]

On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 21:38 +0200, Roland Goretzki wrote:
> Autopackage seems to be quite easy, I think.
> But during the install process I got the message, that I have to have a
> newer version of guile.
> And now there is a problem with installing guile 1.6.7.
> 
> But this is not for this list.
> Meanwhile I did ask on my linux user group, and got some hints, but they
> were not yet successfull.
> 
> I will post again after solving.
> 
> Many thanks and Best Regards   Roland

Hmm. I don't recall having that problem. Are you using stable, testing,
or unstable? 

Josiah



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subject headers (WAS Re: templates)

[D Josiah Boothby]

As a small note, and a little off topic, more users will benefit more
from these discussions if the subject tag indicates what is being
discussed. 

Josiah

On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 13:37 +0200, Peter Mogensen wrote:
> Trent Johnston wrote:
> > It's been on the list for a while... the windows native version produces a
> > postscript file that can't be viewed for some reason...
> > 
> > The postscript files produced with the linux version of Lilypond can be
> > viewed...
> > 
> > Obviously it's bug with Lilypond and not with the windows version..
> > thanks...
> 
> Hmm.. from what I've heard that doesn't seem too obvious to me.
> If the Lilypond output is the same on the two platforms and the Linux
> Postscript file is "postscript-correct", it seems more to be a problem
> with postscript-handling on Windows (which is not something which
> surprises me)
> 
> If my PS-file works, then why not try to run my .ly file with Lilypond
> 2.4.5 on Windows and compare at which stages the output differs?
> 
> Peter
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templates (WAS Re: midi don't ties...)

[D Josiah Boothby]

you might try the lilypond snippet repository:
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/

josiah

On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 09:30 +0200, Peter Mogensen wrote:
> Alexandre Reche e Silva wrote:
> > PS: I'm an old newbie in Lily and would like to know
> > whether is a kind of template to orchestral music
> > (woods, brasses, percussions, strings)?
> 
> I have some templates for scores for marching band. (which have many of
> the same properties as orchestral scores.)
> The aim is to be able to easily transpose, quote and extract voices.
> It's still plagued by some bugs (lilypond and mine) though.
> 
> Is there a place to submit such examples for others to see?
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: version 2.6.x for debian (unstable or sarge)?

[D Josiah Boothby]

> > by far the easiest thing you can do is install with autopackage. It works, 
> > quite
> > nicely. You can install it to your home directory. 
> > 
> > Unfortunately, there are not yet any 2.6 or 2.7 packages for Debian.
> 
> So, if I understand correctly, at the moment the only way to get 2.6 or
> 2.7 for my debian systems would be installing from source, am I right?

No. That is not what I said.

You can also install via autopackage. Autopackage is a packaging system
that, like apt/dpkg, keeps track of dependencies, and has various
front-ends (both GUI and at the command line). You can install or
uninstall it as root or as a regular user, alongside your normal,
healthy dpkg system. I have had no major problems[1] with autopackage.
If you are not interested in installing 2.6 or 2.7 from source, and are
not interested in waiting for someone else to create a debian package
for you, I strongly advise you to download the autopackage files.

For general information on what autopackage is, go to autopackage.org.
To save you the link-finding, http://autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/
explains how exactly to use the .autopackage files.

[1] I've had no major problems, but I have had to manually fix problems
with my $PATH settings that seem to come from autopackage messing with
them when I opted to install autopackage locally rather than as root.
There are several ways to avoid this. If you are interested, elaboration
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Re: version 2.6.x for debian (unstable or sarge)?

[D Josiah Boothby]

Unless you're interested in installing from source, which shouldn't be a
problem if you're using the ghostscript packages from Sid, by far the
easiest thing you can do is install with autopackage. It works, quite
nicely. You can install it to your home directory. 

Unfortunately, there are not yet any 2.6 or 2.7 packages for Debian.

Josiah

On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 21:53 +0200, Roland Goretzki wrote:
> Hi at all,
> 
> during the last month's I wasn't able to work with lilypond.
> Now I think it would be better to update or new install 2.6.x or higher.
> 
> But at lilypond.org I cannot see how to do so. :-(
> 
> In the past it was Pedro Kroegers website, which contained the version I
> could install on my machine.
> 
> But there still is only the older 2.4 version (from November 2004).
> 
> Thanks for any hints.   Roland
> 
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Re: Footnotes

[D Josiah Boothby]

The easiest solution would probably be to use lilypond-book. If my 
memory serves correctly that you're using 2.7, see chapter 12 in the 
manual for more details. There's also a template in section 3.8. I 
haven't used lilypond-book since 2.4, so things may have changed, and 
it's possible that there are new ways to create footnotes, but I am not 
aware of them.


Josiah

Mehmet Okonsar wrote:

I can imagine several solutions but which one seems the most practical for
having footnotes in a score?
Best Regards,
Mehmet Okonsar, pianist-composer
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Re: Templates repository

[D Josiah Boothby]

Further, there are a number of templates in the manual. But, as Mats 
points out, there is absolutely no reason not to submit more snippets -- 
whether they are templates or not -- to the LSR.


Josiah

Mats Bengtsson wrote:

I don't really see any clear distinction between templates and
the examples in the LSR. Most templates we have today contain
some example music and I guess that people usually cut bits and
pieces from both templates and snippets when they want to set up
their own files. So, why not include also "templates" in the LSR?
If the comment includes the word "template", you can easily find
those snippets that the author considered as a template.

   /Mats

Mehmet Okonsar wrote:


It would be nice if there is a Templates repository exactly like the code
snippets rep.
Just fill in the notes..
for lazy guys.. (like me)

Best Regards,
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Re: Release 2.6.3 for Fedora Core 4

[D Josiah Boothby]

Mark, for best results, reply all, so that the community can either 
benefit from the input here, or help.


Because I'm not a Fedora user, I can't tell you from experience how to 
do most of what you're trying to do. Have you tried installing all of 
the binaries from the download pages? It could be that the Ghostscript 
7.07 from the lilypond page are compiled with your very problem in mind. 
Considering that at least one of LilyPond's authors seems to use Fedora 
4 as his main distribution, I would be very surprised if such things 
don't work.


Josiah

Hermansdorfer, Mark wrote:


Thank you for your response, Josiah.

Regarding the links you mentioned; the 'Ghostscript' link is the RPM for
version 8.15 and 'compatibility libraries' are Ghostscript 7.07
libraries.

The 7.07 libraries are already installed from stock Fedora Core 4
installation files.

Ghostscript 8.15 would be incompatible with Fedora Core 4 since GS 8.15
requires an earlier version of libcrypto (libcrypto.4.so) and libssl
(libssl.4.so).  Therein lies the conflict.  There are just too many
Fedora Core 4 files that rely on the installed versions of libcrypto
(libcrypto.so.5) and libssl (libssl.so.5) to make it practical to revert
to the earlier versions.

Any ideas on how to resolve these conflicts?

Thanks,
Mark

-Original Message-
From: D Josiah Boothby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:49 PM

To: Hermansdorfer, Mark
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Release 2.6.3 for Fedora Core 4

On the download page, under the heading for version 2.6, the Fedora4 
binaries are listed first. In the third text column (under "Go here"), 
you are given the links to "Download LilyPond, documentation, 
Ghostscript, compatibility libraries". I would suspect that these links 
will give you what you want.


Josiah

Hermansdorfer, Mark wrote:

 


Hi,



I think LilyPond is a great application and look forward to learning 
more about it as I use it.  I recently installed Fedore Core 4.  I 
downloaded LilyPond version 2.6.3, i386 RPM and tried to install it. 
There was a problem.  The version of Ghostscript that is supplied 
with Fedora Core 4 is 7.07.  LilyPond 2.6.3 requires 8.15 and above.  
So I found an 8.15 Ghostscript RPM, downloaded it and tried to install
   



 

it.  Ghostscript 8.15 requires libcrypto.4.so and libssl.4.so.  The 
Fedora Core 4 release comes with new versions, libcrypto.5.so and 
libssl.5.so.  Is there any way to reconcile these differences?  There 
are many Fedora Core 4 files that rely on the later versions of 
libcrypto and libssl so it is not practical for me to revert back to 
the early version of these files.




Thank you,

Mark


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Re: Release 2.6.3 for Fedora Core 4

[D Josiah Boothby]

On the download page, under the heading for version 2.6, the Fedora4 
binaries are listed first. In the third text column (under "Go here"), 
you are given the links to "Download LilyPond, documentation, 
Ghostscript, compatibility libraries". I would suspect that these links 
will give you what you want.


Josiah

Hermansdorfer, Mark wrote:


Hi,

 

I think LilyPond is a great application and look forward to learning 
more about it as I use it.  I recently installed Fedore Core 4.  I 
downloaded LilyPond version 2.6.3, i386 RPM and tried to install it. 
 There was a problem.  The version of Ghostscript that is supplied 
with Fedora Core 4 is 7.07.  LilyPond 2.6.3 requires 8.15 and above.  
So I found an 8.15 Ghostscript RPM, downloaded it and tried to install 
it.  Ghostscript 8.15 requires libcrypto.4.so and libssl.4.so.  The 
Fedora Core 4 release comes with new versions, libcrypto.5.so and 
libssl.5.so.  Is there any way to reconcile these differences?  There 
are many Fedora Core 4 files that rely on the later versions of 
libcrypto and libssl so it is not practical for me to revert back to 
the early version of these files.


 


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alternatives and partial measures

[D Josiah Boothby]

Using the autopackage 2.7.6, in a Debian environment.

I'm trying to create alternative repeats that start and end inside of 
measures, such as:


\version "2.7.6"

\score{
 \relative c'' {
   \repeat volta 2 {
 \time 6/8
 \partial 8
 c8
 c4. c4.
   }
   \alternative {
 { c4. c4 }
 { c4. c4 }
   }
   \bar "||"
   c8
   c2.
 }
}

Unfortunately, as mentioned in the bugs section at the bottom of the 
documentation page, "Timing information is not remembered at the start 
of an alternative, so after a repeat timing information must be reset by 
hand, for example by setting |Score.measurePosition| or entering 
|\partial|. Similarly, slurs or ties are also not repeated."


When trying to set Score.measurePosition, I tried with a syntax like this:

\set Score.measurePosition = #0

but received an error message: "type check for `measurePosition' failed; 
value `0' must be of type `moment'[5]"


Looking through the lilypond-internals page, I was not able to figure 
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Re: Multiple Rehearsal Marks

[D Josiah Boothby]

Then you might try something like this:

\version "2.6.0"

global = {
 \time 4/4
 s1*3
}

Music = \new Voice { \relative c' {
 c4 d e f \mark \default |
 g f e d \mark \default |
 c1 |
}}

\score {
 <<
   \new StaffGroup <<
 \new Staff << \global \Music >>
 \new Staff << \global \Music >>
 \new Staff << \global \Music >>
   >>
   \new StaffGroup <<
 \new Staff \with{\consists "Mark_engraver"} << \global \Music >>
 \new Staff << \global \Music >>
 \new Staff << \global \Music >>
   >>
 >>
}



Will Oram wrote:

I use global blocks for many things. I tried applying them towards 
rehearsal marks before writing in and got nothing. You sure you're not 
using plain \markup for rehearsal marks?


Best,
Will

On Aug 17, 2005, at 3:45 AM, D Josiah Boothby wrote:


Will Oram wrote:

Many orchestral scores have tempo changes and rehearsal marks appear 
twice: once at the top (above the wind section) and once above the 
string section. It's easy to get lilypond to print \mark once at the 
top; can it be told to print it multiple times as described above?



Usually the way I do this is to create a variable for rehearsal 
marks, then treat it like the \global variable. So in the score, you 
can insert \RehearsalMarks (or whatever you want to call it) into the 
flute part (or whatever your top line is) and into the first violin 
part, and you don't have to insert it into any of the other parts. 
Then, when you want to extract parts, you can put \RehearsalMarks 
into all of the parts quite easily.


Josaih



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Re: Multiple Rehearsal Marks

[D Josiah Boothby]

Will Oram wrote:

Many orchestral scores have tempo changes and rehearsal marks appear 
twice: once at the top (above the wind section) and once above the 
string section. It's easy to get lilypond to print \mark once at the 
top; can it be told to print it multiple times as described above?


Usually the way I do this is to create a variable for rehearsal marks, 
then treat it like the \global variable. So in the score, you can insert 
\RehearsalMarks (or whatever you want to call it) into the flute part 
(or whatever your top line is) and into the first violin part, and you 
don't have to insert it into any of the other parts. Then, when you want 
to extract parts, you can put \RehearsalMarks into all of the parts 
quite easily.


Josaih


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pdf display (was Re: evince doesn't display 3's)

[D Josiah Boothby]

For the sake of completeness, I set the default version of ghostscript 
to gs-gpl, ran the file through lilypond again, then viewed the file 
with all of the pdf viewers that are on my system (which I believe to be 
all of the pdf viewers available through the standard debian repositories).


Acrobat Reader (7.0) looks fine:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes-acroread.jpg

Evince (0.3.0) doesn't show the 3's or 5's in the time signatures:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes-evince.jpg

GGV (Gnome Ghostview 2.8.5) doesn't show anything, for .pdf or .ps, and 
no error message is shown at the command line:

http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes-ggv.jpg

GPDF (Gnome PDF Viewer 2.8.2) displays the 3's and 5's, but mangles them:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes-gpdf.jpg

GV (3.6.1) looks fine:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes-gv.jpg

For KGhostview and KPDF, when I used the version switch at the command 
line, I got not only their versions, but the Qt version (3.3.4) and the 
KDE version (3.3.2).


KGhostview (0.20) looks fine:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes-kghostview.jpg

KPDF (0.3.3) has the same problem as Evince, it doesn't show the 3's or 
the 5's:

http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes-kpdf.jpg

GNUStep PDF viewer, ViewPDF (0.9) displays absolutely nothing. When I 
open the file through the command line, the program is opened, but 
without the file; when I open the file manually, debugging info is 
printed at the command line, and the following window pops up:

http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes-viewpdf.jpg

And finally, Xpdf (3.00) looks fine:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes-xpdf.jpg

Should I also send this email, along with the appropriate files, to the 
mailing lists for Evince, GGV, GPDF, KPDF, and the GNUStep crowd?


Josiah

PS, in case they're useful, the .ly, .pdf and .ps file can be found here:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes.ly
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes.pdf
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Re: evince doesn't display 3's

[D Josiah Boothby]

Graham Percival wrote:



On 16-Aug-05, at 8:03 PM, D Josiah Boothby wrote:

Using the 2.6.0 autopackage on Debian sarge/sid, Evince (v. 0.3.0) 
doesn't display the 3's in the time signatures.



Please file a bug report with evince, then.  (?)


Looking more carefully

I don't know if -- or how to find out if -- it's a problem with Evince, 
Lilypond, or Ghostscript. Since, in my limited experience with using 
Evince, I've only had problems looking at Lilypond output, and since I 
have other problems when using GV, and still yet other problems with 
acroread, I can only suspect that it's a problem with Lilypond. 
Unfortunately, I haven't got the faintest idea how to diagnose this further.


The problems I've had with acroread may have gone away since the upgrade 
from 2.4 to 2.6. The problems that I've had with GV seem to be when the 
/etc/alternatives (I think this is Debian specific, but I don't know) 
settings have me viewing files with gs-esp, but I don't have them when 
using gs-afpl or gs-gpl. I have gs-afpl (8.14), gs-esp (8.15) and gs-gpl 
(8.15) all installed.


I've probably just mentioned a new problem that deserves a separate 
look, but the case remains that I can't determine what link of the chain 
is faulty: Evince, Lilypond, or Ghostscript.


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evince doesn't display 3's

[D Josiah Boothby]

Using the 2.6.0 autopackage on Debian sarge/sid, Evince (v. 0.3.0) 
doesn't display the 3's in the time signatures.


An example .ly file:

\version "2.6.0"

\score {
 \relative c' {
   \time 3/4 d2.
   \time 7/8 e2..
   \time 2/4 f2
   \time 3/8 es4.
   \time 5/8 ges4 f4.
   \time 4/8 e2
   \time 3/2 d1.
 }
}


A .pdf of the example:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes.pdf

A .png of the example:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes.png

A .ps of the example:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes.ps

And a screenshot of viewing the file in Evince:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/threes-evince.jpg

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Re: force natural sign

[D Josiah Boothby]

You might look in the documentation under the heading "Cautionary 
accidentals," which happens to be section 6.1.3.


Josiah

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


hi,
is there a way to put a natural sign manually? in this example the  
natural sign is left out at the b, but i want to make sure the reader  
understands it is a b not a bes.


 
This is the code for the example:


\version "2.6.3"

\layout{
\context
{\Staff
\remove Time_signature_engraver
\remove Bar_engraver
}
}

\header
{tagline = " "}

{
\context Staff  #(set-accidental-style 'modern)
\clef treble
f g a bes c' d' e' f' g' a' b' c'' d'' e'' fis'' g''
}

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Re: Denemo-Rosegarden-WinXP

[D Josiah Boothby]

I doubt it, but you would have to go to those projects' websites to find 
out for certain.


http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
http://denemo.sourceforge.net/

-Josiah

Mehmet Okonsar wrote:


does anybody have heard of a windows build of Denemo and /or Rosegarden? Is
there
a way to have them running on win?
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Re: Feature request - contemporary trill indications

[D Josiah Boothby]

Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:


Jamie Bullock wrote:


Hi!

Is there any chance that someone could write a lilypond engraver for
contemporary trill notation? By this I mean the use of the usual trill
sign, with a small, stemless notehead in brackets after the main note,
indicating the 'auxilliary note' to be trilled with.

This notation technique is common in contemporary scores, such as those
by Boulez, and I use it a lot in my own work. To my knowledge there is
no other 'standard' method for indicating the auxilliary note of a trill
in atonal music.
I have tried to work out a way of doing this with both lilypond 2.4.5
and 2.5.29, but I can't seem to find a method that works properly. Any
suggestions, even for a workaround would be much appreciated. 



If you're willing to pay for the development, I could implement this 
as a small feature.


If there are a few people willing to pitch in, this is something that I 
would be willing to pay for to help make happen. I just doubt that, with 
my student budget, I would be able to pay for this on my own.


Josiah


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2.6 fonts questions

[D Josiah Boothby]

Using the autopackage version of lily 2.6 on Debian sarge, I was playing 
around with font selection, and was getting almost nowhere. The 
documentation on the website says the following:


> By setting the object properties described below, you can select a 
font from the
> preconfigured font families. LilyPond has default support for the 
feta music fonts and

> TeX's Computer Modern text fonts.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the new default text something 
other than the TeX CM family? If I were so inclined, how would I use the 
CM fonts?


> Any font can be used, as long as it is available to Pango/FontConfig.

How do I find out what fonts are available to Pango/FontConfig? 
Xfontsel/gtkfontsel don't recognize all of the fonts that I have 
installed, but I'm not sure if this is the right place to be looking.


> See also

> Init files: ly/declarations-init.ly contains hints how new
> fonts may be added to LilyPond.

This file doesn't seem to have anything in it regarding fonts. If I have 
missed something, please show me.


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Re: Jazz standard, four bars a line with equal size

[D Josiah Boothby]

I want to have four bars at a line and also every bar must have
exactle the same size. Because this makes it much easyer to
 read. Because than all the bar line a on one line (vertical)


Actually, although jazz charts are written 4-bars to a line, and it does make 
it easier to read -- because each line acts as a group of four -- it's best 
if the bar-lines are NOT in exactly the same vertical location, because then 
it is too easy for the eye to go to the wrong line.


This is something that gets tossed about the list every now and again. 
Something I posted awhile ago in a previous iteration of this topic may be 
of some relevance, and the thread as a whole should be enlightening:


http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2004-09/msg00166.html

In essence, perfectly even barlines are not supported. You'd have to ask 
Jan or Han-Wen what is involved and how much it means to them, but I know 
that in the past, they have been willing to implement features for those 
with the will and means to see those features implemented.


Josiah


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Re: help with 2.4.5 in Debian

[D Josiah Boothby]

I have not used Ferenc's packages, but have been using the 2.4.5 that is 
in Debian Sid (I'm a little mystified as to why it didn't make it into the 
Sarge release) without problems.


Correction: the only problem that I had was that when I originally tried 
the Sid packages, the ec-fonts-mftraced was problematic. Maybe it is fixed 
now, but you can download a .deb from the lilypond website:


http://lilypond.org/download/fonts/

Josiah

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Sterling Sympatico wrote:


Hi,

I tried to install 2.4.6 in Debian using Ferenc Wagner's sources from
http://tac.ki.iif.hu/.  After having the default ec-fonts-mftraced crash
and downloading the nerwer version (.deb), I got an install.  However,
all attempts to run lilypond on the simplest file resulted in a
segmentation fault.  I tried using the smallest example from the
tutorial and compiling but got crashes.  So I reverted back to version
2.2.6-3 in the Debian Sarge repository and at least it works.  Is this a
common problem with Debian folks?

Also, I am trying to typeset a score choir.  The choir will be split
into 2, then 3, then back to 2 sections.  There are no sung notes, only
rhythmic clapping and stomping.  Some sort of drum mode would be ideal
for scoring but how do I use a mode like that in a piece with 2-3
stanzas?

I am using version 2.2.6-3 right now.

Thanks a lot in advance,

Sterling MacNay


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more on 2.5.27 fonts

[D Josiah Boothby]

How do I find out which fonts are available? I recall seeing a post about 
Pango needing to be able to use the fonts, but I don't know where to look.


The font selection tools I have (xfontsel/gtkfontsel, using Debian) enable 
me to find a lot of fonts, but very few of them seem to be recognized by 
Pango.


Josiah


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2.5.27 header fonts

[D Josiah Boothby]

How would I change the font in the header? And is it possible to use 
Palatino (or URW Palladio, as it may be called)? Where would I look to 
find this?


Currently I'm doing it by overriding the font in individual text markups, 
but this feels slow:


\header {
title = \markup { \override #'(font-name . "Times New Roman")
{ This is my Title } }
composer = \markup { \override #'(font-name . "Times New Roman")
{ Vera Beets } }
}

And related, if I want finer control of the header, should I just use 
latex/lilypond-book?


Josiah


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compilation question

[D Josiah Boothby]

I'm installing 2.5.27 in my home directory. I have already compiled 
ghostscript 8.15 in my home directory, but when I try compiling lilypond, 
I can't figure out how to find $HOME/bin/gs. I tried 
--with-gs=$HOME/bin/gs, and looking through config.make doesn't offer me 
any clues.


It is probably worth mentioning that (a) I am using Debian 
sarge/sid/experimental, and (b) that ./configure found the gs-afpl (8.14) 
with no problems.


Josiah


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Re: deb for latest

[D Josiah Boothby]

Aaron,

I am inferring from your last few questions to this list that you got 
2.5.26 working. If my guess is correct, how did you install the new 
version of ghostscript?


Josiah

On Mon, 30 May 2005, Aaron Mehl wrote:


Well that was my exact proble finding a ghoscript new
enough.

I also prefer using apt if at all possible.

Maybe I will try converting ghostscript from fedora
and then see what happens.

Thanks
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Re: deb for latest

[D Josiah Boothby]

As there are no .deb packages for the 2.5 series yet, the easiest way, as 
has been suggested to me, is to compile it from source. If you compile 
with a prefix for your home directory, you don't have to worry about 
overwriting anything from your stable install. It has also been suggested 
to me to create a new user, so instead of having to uninstall before 
installing a new version (also from source), all you would have to do is 
create a new user in whose home directory to install the new version.


The problem that I had when trying to compile from source is the 
ghostscript prerequisite. I have not yet found a new enough debian binary 
for the new version of Ghostscript (8.15+), and I found some difficulties 
in trying to compile it myself. When school lets out for the summer, I may 
try to tackle this again.


Something I have not yet tried, but may be fruitful, is to install 
ghostscript from the fedora rpm using alien.


If you are able to install from source, please let me know what you had to 
do.


Josiah

On Sun, 29 May 2005, Aaron Mehl wrote:


HI all,

I would like to install the development version of
lilypond and still keep the stable one.

1, Is there a debian package for the latest and
greatest?
  speifically a sources.list entry.
2. how can I have two parrallel lilypond versions
running on my system?

Thanks
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Re: Text font problems with 2.4.5

[D Josiah Boothby]

Pedro Kroger's repository is in my sources.list, so it is probably from 
there.

josiah
On Fri, 13 May 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As far as I can search there is no ec-fonts-mftraced package in sarge nor is
there a dependency of lilypond from this package.
Did I miss something?
Tanks,
Antonio
-- Initial Header ---
From  : "D Josiah Boothby" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To  : "Antonio PALAMA'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc  : lilypond-user@gnu.org
Date  : Thu, 12 May 2005 19:52:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject : Re: Text font problems with 2.4.5
I think that has something to do with the config file that the sid version
of ec-fonts-mftraced has. Try downgrading to the version that is in sarge
(which, I believe is the same version but with the right config file).
Josiah
On Thu, 12 May 2005, Antonio PALAMA' wrote:
After upgrading from 2.2.x to 2.4.5 on my Debian sid system, all the text
(title, composer, rehearsal marks, markups etc.) is typeset using a strange
font which resmbles Courier. I tried to reinstall ec-fonts-mftraced 1.0.10a-1
but the problem is still there.
Do people have any idea about how to solve the problem?
Thanks for your help,
Antonio Palama'

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Re: Text font problems with 2.4.5

[D Josiah Boothby]

I think that has something to do with the config file that the sid version 
of ec-fonts-mftraced has. Try downgrading to the version that is in sarge 
(which, I believe is the same version but with the right config file).

Josiah
On Thu, 12 May 2005, Antonio PALAMA' wrote:
After upgrading from 2.2.x to 2.4.5 on my Debian sid system, all the text 
(title, composer, rehearsal marks, markups etc.) is typeset using a strange 
font which resmbles Courier. I tried to reinstall ec-fonts-mftraced 1.0.10a-1 
but the problem is still there.
Do people have any idea about how to solve the problem?
Thanks for your help,

Antonio Palama'

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Re: 2.5 in debian?

[D Josiah Boothby]

Thank you for your clarification!
So far, I've had some time to start, but I'm having problems compiling 
ghostscript. I'll spend a little more time with it this weekend, as I 
think that it's highly likely that I'm missing something important.

Josiah
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Bernard Hurley wrote:
No, not at all.
Firstly I said what I had done not what you should do. I did not do this
because I cannot run "make uninstall" but because I tend to be somewhat
paranoid about these things and don't necessarily assume that either
"make install" or "make uninstall" will actually do what I expect, and,
in the case "make install" have been proved right for one of the recent
CVS versions of lilypond. I am even more paranoid than this in that I
have installed lilypond 2.5.x on a different machine to the one I use
for my work and run it via my network.
Secondly I have spent a lot of time trying to persuade schools,
businesses and individuals to use GNU/Linux. In many cases it is very
important to these people that the software they use runs correctly and
carries on running. Nevertheless, for a range of reasons they often wish
to try out new, maybe unstable, versions of software. One of the very
nice things about GNU/Linux is that it is possible to do this very
safely. It is also possible to play with the software and perhaps
completely wreck it without wrecking the system. I was not trying to
give you advice, but for most of these people I would advise them to
create a new user. I have been in the computing business for over a
quarter of a century and have become used to taking elaborate
precautions: experience shows that it ends up saving more time than it
wastes.
/Bernard
D Josiah Boothby wrote:
By suggesting that I create a new user, are you implying that I cannot
"make uninstall" before installing the next version?


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Re: 2.5 in debian?

[D Josiah Boothby]

By suggesting that I create a new user, are you implying that I cannot 
"make uninstall" before installing the next version?

josiah
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005, Bernard Hurley wrote:
I'll tell you what I did:
1) Create a new user ( called it "invisible" but coul be anything) for
installing lily locally
2) Log in as "invisible" and got latest lily from CVS with
CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d:ext:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/lilypond co
Of course you don't have to do this, you could get a .tgz file and un
compressed it.
3) Change to the directory
cd lilypond
4) Run:
./autogen.sh --prefix=/home/invisible
to configure lily to install in local directory (substitute your user
for "invisible" of course). At this point a "configure" script will have
been created.
5) Rub configure script:
./configure
This checks that you have all the software you need the lily depends on
and the chances are that there will be things missing!
Most of these I tracked down to various Debian packages (although I had
to go to the "unstable" distribution for some of them).
However I could not find a package that contained Ghostscript 8.15 or
higher. So I had to download a .tgz file (I can't remember where from
but you'll find it!), un tgz it and install that first! (The
instructions are the were same as for lily except in directory
ghostscript-8.15)
Basically you keep installing other stuff and repeating step 5) untill
there are no complaints.
6) Now you can actually install lily with (in the lilypond directory)
make all
make install
7) This installs the binary files in /home/invisible/bin and the rest of
the stuff in /home/invisible/share. You need to make sure that when you
run lilypond as this user you get the local version, and not the
packaged version that every other user sees. You need to make
sure .bash_profile contains something like:
# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}"
fi
(I think it does anyway- but make sure nevertheless)
8) You will also have to make sure the fonts can be found by setting the
environmental variable TEXMF. There is a script you can source
from .bash_profile to do this when you log in. For various reasons I've
not done it like this but it looks as if it should work.
If you get this far you will be able to run lilypond 2.5.x for this
user. If you get this far you might want to think about packaging lily,
but you have done enough to be able to run it.
/Bernard
On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 14:09 -0700, D Josiah Boothby wrote:
If I wanted to compile 2.5 in Debian, while keeping 2.4, what do I need to
do to make it something like Pedro's "lilypond-snapshot"?
Josiah
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2.5 in debian?

[D Josiah Boothby]

If I wanted to compile 2.5 in Debian, while keeping 2.4, what do I need to 
do to make it something like Pedro's "lilypond-snapshot"?

Josiah
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Re: sprechstimme

[D Josiah Boothby]

Using 2.4.2 (lilypond-snapshot on debian), I get the following backtrace:
$ lilypond-snapshot sprechstimme.ly
GNU LilyPond 2.4.2
Processing `sprechstimme.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music... [3]
Preprocessing graphical objects...
Calculating line breaks...
Backtrace:
In unknown file:
   ?:  0* [lilypond-main ("sprechstimme.ly")]
In /usr/share/lilypond-snapshot/2.4.2/scm/lily.scm:
 337:  1* (let* ((failed #) (handler #)) (for-each (lambda # #) files) 
...)
 339:  2* [for-each # ("sprechstimme.ly")]
In /usr/share/guile/1.6/srfi/srfi-1.scm:
 663:  3  (if (null? rest) (letrec ((lp #)) (lp list1)) ...)
...
 667:  4  (begin (f (car l)) (lp (cdr l)))
 668:  5* [# "sprechstimme.ly"]
In /usr/share/lilypond-snapshot/2.4.2/scm/lily.scm:
 341:  6  [catch ly-file-failed # #]
In unknown file:
   ?:  7* [#]
In /usr/share/lilypond-snapshot/2.4.2/scm/lily.scm:
 341:  8* [ly:parse-file "sprechstimme.ly"]
In /usr/share/lilypond-snapshot/2.4.2/ly/init.ly:
   7:  9* (if (pair? toplevel-scores) (ly:parser-print-book parser #))
   8: 10  [ly:parser-print-book # #]
In unknown file:
   ?: 11* [System_start_delimiter::after_line_breaking #]
   ?: 12* [Align_interface::alignment_callback # 
1]
   ?: 13* [Axis_group_interface::group_extent_callback # 1]
   ?: 14* [Axis_group_interface::group_extent_callback # 
1]
   ?: 15* [Stem::height # 1]
   ?: 16* [cross-stencil #]
In sprechstimme.ly:
   3: 17* (let* ((fn #) (cross #) (s #) ...) (set! s (ly:stencil-add s #)) 
...)
   4: 18* (ly:font-get-glyph fn "noteheads.s2cross")

sprechstimme.ly:4:20: In expression (ly:font-get-glyph fn 
"noteheads.s2cross"):
sprechstimme.ly:4:20: Unbound variable: ly:font-get-glyph

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Jonatan Liljedahl wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
D Josiah Boothby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I searched the lilypond-user and lilypond-devel archives and wasn't
able
 to find anything regarding sprechstimme, though I seem to recall that
 there was a thread a couple months ago asking about it.
 Is it supported in Lilypond? If not, has anyone found a way to insert
 the little "x" onto the halfway point of a stem?
Try this, it works here.
%% based on the code in regression/stencil-hacking.ly
#(define (cross-callback callback)
  (define (cross-stencil grob)
(let* ((fn (ly:get-default-font grob))
(cross (ly:font-get-glyph fn "noteheads.s2cross"))
(s (callback grob))
(sx (ly:stencil-extent s 0))
(sy (ly:stencil-extent s 1))
(cx (ly:stencil-extent cross 0))
(xadj (/ (- (cdr cx) (car cx)) 2))
(midy (+ (car sy) (/ (- (cdr sy) (car sy)) 2
   (set! s (ly:stencil-add s
   (ly:stencil-translate cross (cons (- xadj) midy
  (ly:make-stencil (ly:stencil-expr s) sx sy)))
  cross-stencil)
stemCross = \once \override Stem  #'print-function
   = #(cross-callback Stem::print)
stemCrossStart = \override Stem  #'print-function
   = #(cross-callback Stem::print)
stemCrossStop = \revert Stem #'print-function
 EXAMPLE 
\layout { raggedright = ##t }
\relative c' {
   c4 \stemCrossStart e g bes \stemCrossStop
   a8 \stemCross gis8 a2.
}
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sprechstimme

[D Josiah Boothby]

I searched the lilypond-user and lilypond-devel archives and wasn't able 
to find anything regarding sprechstimme, though I seem to recall that 
there was a thread a couple months ago asking about it.

Is it supported in Lilypond? If not, has anyone found a way to insert the 
little "x" onto the halfway point of a stem?

Josiah
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Re: Lyrics and Clefs in Cues for Horns

[D Josiah Boothby]

I can't help you with the lyrics question, but:
(Pre-question: is there a mode where the key signature is not shown, but
all accidentals are printed?  This seems to be the common way to write
horn parts, but I don't see how to do it in Lilypond except to
manipulate the key signatures myself.)
Something like this should work:
Key = { \key c \minor}
Oboe = \relative c'' {
  \Key
  c4 d es2
}
Horn = \relative c' {
%  \Key % uncomment this line if you *do* want a key sig for the hornist
  c4 d es2
}

When I show cues for instruments in a different transposition, it seems
appropriate to show the clef before and after the cues to indicate the
change of  "key," even though it's the same clef the horns use.  Is
there a way to force the clef to be displayed, even though its "the same"?
I've never seen this. If the same clef is to be used (after transposition),
there is no need to remind us. If you aren't transposing the cues into the 
hornist's transposition, be consistent: so, all instruments presented as 
they would be read by the original instrument itself, and all transposing 
instruments listed with their transposition indicated.

It is *highly advised* to transpose the cues into the hornist's 
transposition.

Josiah
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lilypond-book-snapshot

[D Josiah Boothby]

While looking around in my texmf directories, I noticed that the 
/usr/share/texmf/tex/lilypond-snapshot directory is a soft link to 
../../lilypond/2.4.2/tex, but there is no such directory. There is a 
directory ../../lilypond-snapshot/2.4.2/tex

Should I remove the soft link and change it to the appropriate directory, 
or will this damage things?

Josiah
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lilypond-book questions

[D Josiah Boothby]

Hello, all
Is pdflatex supported with lilypond-book (Debian, lilypond 2.2.6)? I've 
tried running this way only to find a way fraught with errors, but I don't
know if I'm just missing something. An example error (using the musicological
document example from the documentation) would be:

lilypond-book (GNU LilyPond) 2.2.6
Reading musicology.tex...
Dissecting...
Writing snippets...
All snippets are up to date...
Compiling out/musicology.tex...
This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5)
entering extended mode
(./musicology.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}
LaTeX2e <2001/06/01>
Babel  and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, 
ngerman, bahasa, basque, catalan, croatian, czech, danish, dutch, finnish,
greek, icelandic, irish, italian, latin, magyar, norsk, norsk, portuges,
romanian, russian, slovak, slovene, spanish, swedish, turkish, ukrainian,
nohyphenation, loaded.
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2001/04/21 v1.4e Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo)) (./musicology.aux)
(./lily-679887058.tex (/usr/share/texmf/tex/lilypond/lilyponddefs.tex
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/lilypond/feta20.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/lilypond/lily-pdf-defs.tex))
! Undefined control sequence.
 \kern 025.8248\outputscale \embeddedps
  {000.0650 000.0650 
001.812...
l.71 }
  %
?

I know that the prescribed method for producing pdf output is mentioned 
in the documentation (latex yourfile.tex;dvips -Ppdf -u+ec-mftrace.map
-u+lilypond.map yourfile.dvi;ps2pdf yourfile.ps), but I'm curious if there 
is a (relatively simple) way to make this work. Should I just wait until 
the new font handling in 2.6?

Josiah

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feta glyphs in latex?

[D Josiah Boothby]

perhaps this is the wrong place to ask this question, but how would i use 
feta glyphs in a latex document?

in particular, i'd like to use flats and sharps that matches better with 
the palatino font than the math font that latex uses for it (namely, 
feta).

if this is the wrong place, please point me in the right direction,
josiah
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Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

[D Josiah Boothby]

In regards to the Horn and other instruments for which transpositions 
can change during the course of a piece, I should mention that the 
Lilypond way is much easier to deal with than, for instance, the Finale 
way (at least up until Finale 2001, the last version that I used 
regularly). Granted, the similarity in name between \transpose and 
\transposition is a little confusing, so a way to sort them out could be 
to remember that "transpose" is a verb: we apply a specific 
transpositional operation on the notes attached to it; where 
"transposition" is a noun, indicating how something is to be heard, 
relative to how it is written, so this makes sense in the context of midi 
realization.

\transpose can be used to transpose a motive, or a large section of a 
piece. This is a very helpful tool (thanks, Han-Wen and Jan!), and doesn't 
rely on a specific transpositional tradition so much as it is merely a 
tool to transpose notes from the originally typed form to a different 
place, such as sounding pitch, or a pleasant transposition for a musician 
to read.

I hope this is helpful.
Josiah
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Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

[D Josiah Boothby]

I'm not interested in midi. So \transpostion seems to be useless to me. The
manual just says nothing about it :-(
I agree that the manual should probably be more clear here. I have an 
example that I would be happy to add which clarifies one of your next 
questions.

And as for the workaround using "\transpose c bf" - well that's exactly that
- a workaround. What the hell am I supposed to do when I'm coping with
parts in Bf and D (trumpet), Bf and Ef (Cornet), Bb, Eb and C (Bass),
Bb, C, Eb and G (Trombone) etc etc etc? My poor brain can't cope ... Even
worse, what about the example in the manual, when I need to cope with D
and G *in* *the* *same* *part*! (Horn).
So, from D to Bb (trumpet) you would have something like this:
DTrumpetNotes = \relative c'' { c2 d2 }
\transpose c e { %% <-- it's 2am, so i may be off, but i think this is the
 %% right degree of transposition
  \DTrumpetNotes
}
This example could be extended quite easily to the cornet, bass, trombone 
(transposing trombone! learn a new thing every day!); and if you're 
confused (as I might be) going from one key to another, you can always go 
through C, for example:

CTrumpetNotes = \transpose c d {
  \DTrumpetNotes
}
BbTrumpetNotes = \transpose c d {
  \CTrumpetNotes
}
And I'm sure this can be nested into itself more elegantly, but as I said, 
it's late on my end... I can't think that clearly.

The exception is for your horn part, which I would do like this:
DHornNotes = \relative c' { c1 }
CHornNotes = \relative c' { c1 }
FHornNotes = {
  \transpose c a, { \DHornNotes }
  \transpose c g, { \CHornNotes }
}
(though, i would just make the poor hornist transpose. serves them right 
for playing the silly instrument...:)

josiah

What I *thought* \transposition did, and what the manual implies it does do,
was convert parts to concert pitch as they were input.
If this were the case, then we don't need to give a damn about pitch and
midi - it'll just come out right anyway. And we don't need to worry 
about getting confused over which part is transposed in which key - 
they are all internally in C.

So - can I respectfully suggest we have a big bug here - either in the
manual or in the implementation of \transposition. And imho the bug 
should be in the implementation - by changing the implementation we 
don't change the current functionality as seen by the user, but we do 
make the manual correct, and we make the behaviour of \transposition 
both more consistent and more powerful.

Cheers,
Wol

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Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

[D Josiah Boothby]

the example at the end of my post assumes that the notes you entered are 
at sounding pitch. you would just do everything in the opposite manner if 
you enter a Bb part and want to see a C part printed.

josiah
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Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

[D Josiah Boothby]

I'll attempt to clarify again:
\transposition is something that allows midi to know how the music has 
been transposed so that when you listen to a midi file, you hear what you 
wrote, not what the transposed notes look like.

\transpose actually transposes the notes in the music.
so, if you want to transpose the following: \relative c' { c4 d e f }, it 
would look like this: \transpose bes c' { \relative c' { c4 d e f } }

to get appropriate-sounding midi playback, you would want something like 
this:

\transpostion bes   % <-- this indicates what the transposition of the
% following music will be
\transpose bes c' { % <-- this actually does the transposition
% <-- on this line, you could optionally use a
% \transposition c since the notes following it
% are entered at sounding pitch
  \relative c' { c4 d e f }
}
josiah
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Han-Wen Nienhuys 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
don't confuse \transposition and \transpose. \transposition sets the
transposition of the instrument playing. This is used for getting cue
note transpositions and MIDI output correct. \transpose changes the
pitches of a music expression. The above was interpreted as
Thanks. So I can't do what I want :-(
I know someone said there was a macro in jEdit or emacs or something that 
would transpose parts, but what I was hoping I could do was enter the part 
straight from treble clef, and tell lilypond that it was written in Bb. 
Looking at the example for the horn certainly makes it look like that is 
possible ...

I think that needs clarifying somewhat in the manual ...
Bummer! Another entry in my "I wish lilypond had that" list ... I'll really 
have to get into programming in Scheme and C++ :-)

Cheers,
Wol
--
Anthony W. Youngman - wol at thewolery dot demon dot co dot uk
HEX wondered how much he should tell the Wizards. He felt it would not be a
good idea to burden them with too much input. Hex always thought of his 
reports
as Lies-to-People.
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Re: Blank Staves

[D Josiah Boothby]

I've got an example here:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/lilypond/manuscript.ly
It draws 12 lines, with the standard staff size (20). It should not be 
hard to change this for your preferences.

Josiah
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Tim Hucker wrote:
I'm trying to print a page of blank staves in Lilypond 2.4 under Windows XP.
My file (at the bottom of this post) nearly does the job, but
(i) the bar numbers resolutely remain, despite the "remove
Bar_number_engraver" instruction, and
(ii) putting noindent in restores the time signature, clefs and barlines.
What am I doing wrong?
TIA
Tim
emptymusic = {\repeat unfold 11 { s1\break }}
\new Staff \with {
defaultBarType = #""
\remove Bar_number_engraver
\remove Bar_engraver
\remove Time_signature_engraver
\remove Clef_engraver
}
{\emptymusic}


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Re: suggested dynamics

[D Josiah Boothby]

If you use \markup, there is a way to enter dynamics (in the 2.4.x manual, 
the text markup commands are listed under 7.4.3).

Josiah
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, smuter wrote:
Hello,
How to put dynamics in brackets: (f) (mp) and the like.
I was told that this is a symbol of suggested dynamics
(not written by composer)
KrzysztofB


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stem length with beaming?

[D Josiah Boothby]

I'm trying to make a few beams longer than they normally would be 
because I'm adding tremolo and the tremolo overlaps with the beam. Am I 
misusing \override?

\version "2.4.2"
Notes = \relative c''' {
   \time 6/8
   \override Stem #'beamed-lengths = #20
   a,!8:128\mf^\markup{ \large\bold{Un peu lent} (\small{\note #"8" 
#0.9 } = 66) }
   bes,!:128 as':128 g,!:128 cis:128 r
   \revert Stem #'beamed-lengths
}

\score {
   \transpose f c' \Notes
   
   \layout { raggedright = ##t }
}
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Re: transposition and midi

[D Josiah Boothby]

So \override Staff.KeySignature = ##t just hides the key signature, but 
leaves accidentals out (unless they fall outside of the key). Should I be 
playing with automatic accidentals, or is transparency not the right way 
to go?

Josiah
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
Also, the setting of transparent doesn't work unless you specify that
the setting should be done at the Staff level (not at the Voice level),
as I did in the example above.
  /Mats

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Re: transposition and midi

[D Josiah Boothby]

ahh, ok, thank you!
josiah
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
The syntax of the \transpose command is
\transpose from to music
In other words, it only applies to the expression directly after
the \transpose command. In your example you only transpose the
\override command (which of course doesn't have any effect at all).
If you want to transpose the \hornNotes, should either exchange the
\transpose and \override lines or add curly braces:
\transpose c bes,
 {
   \override Staff.KeySignature #'transparent = ##t
   \hornNotes
 }
Also, the setting of transparent doesn't work unless you specify that
the setting should be done at the Staff level (not at the Voice level),
as I did in the example above.
  /Mats
D Josiah Boothby wrote:
Thank you for showing me that there are two sections on transposing, 
Mats, but now I have a new question:

In a recent email to the list, I saw that to remove a key signature, I 
could just use \override KeySignature #'transparent to do the job. 
Unfortunately, when I do this to a transposed part (as shown below), the 
transposition is nullified, so the notes are printed to the original 
pitch.

-Josiah
\version "2.4.2"
clarinetNotes = \relative c'' {
 \transposition bes
 \key d \minor
 d4 e f2
}
hornNotes = \relative c'' {
 \transposition es % original transposition
 \key a \minor
 c4 d8 f e4 c
}
\score {
 \context StaffGroup <<
   \context Staff = "clarinet" <<
 \clarinetNotes
   >>
   \context Staff = "horn" <<
 \transposition f
 \transpose c bes, % transposes horn in Es to horn in F
 \override KeySignature #'transparent = ##t % since hornists hate 
key sigs
 \hornNotes
   >>

 >>
 \midi { \tempo 4 = 60 }
 \layout { raggedright = ##t }
}
Mats Bengtsson wrote:
The table of contents of the users manual includes two sections
with titles including "transpose" or "transposition". Make sure
to read both of them.
   /Mats
D Josiah Boothby wrote:
Using 2.4.2, I'd like to be able to transpose a part, create a midi 
file, and create the graphical output. The midi output is transposed 
right along with the score if everything is in the same score block. 
Is it possible to have an untransposed midi with transposed parts 
without having to play games with comments or writing out more than 
one score block every time (as in the below example)?


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transposition and midi

[D Josiah Boothby]

Thank you for showing me that there are two sections on transposing, 
Mats, but now I have a new question:

In a recent email to the list, I saw that to remove a key signature, I 
could just use \override KeySignature #'transparent to do the job. 
Unfortunately, when I do this to a transposed part (as shown below), the 
transposition is nullified, so the notes are printed to the original pitch.

-Josiah
\version "2.4.2"
clarinetNotes = \relative c'' {
 \transposition bes
 \key d \minor
 d4 e f2
}
hornNotes = \relative c'' {
 \transposition es % original transposition
 \key a \minor
 c4 d8 f e4 c
}
\score {
 \context StaffGroup <<
   \context Staff = "clarinet" <<
 \clarinetNotes
   >>
   \context Staff = "horn" <<
 \transposition f
 \transpose c bes, % transposes horn in Es to horn in F
 \override KeySignature #'transparent = ##t % since hornists hate 
key sigs
 \hornNotes
   >>

 >>
 \midi { \tempo 4 = 60 }
 \layout { raggedright = ##t }
}
Mats Bengtsson wrote:
The table of contents of the users manual includes two sections
with titles including "transpose" or "transposition". Make sure
to read both of them.
   /Mats
D Josiah Boothby wrote:
Using 2.4.2, I'd like to be able to transpose a part, create a midi 
file, and create the graphical output. The midi output is transposed 
right along with the score if everything is in the same score block. 
Is it possible to have an untransposed midi with transposed parts 
without having to play games with comments or writing out more than 
one score block every time (as in the below example)?


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transposition and midi

[D Josiah Boothby]

Using 2.4.2, I'd like to be able to transpose a part, create a midi 
file, and create the graphical output. The midi output is transposed 
right along with the score if everything is in the same score block. Is 
it possible to have an untransposed midi with transposed parts without 
having to play games with comments or writing out more than one score 
block every time (as in the below example)?

firstNotes = \relative c'' { \key c \minor c4 b c2 }
secondNotes = \relative c'' { \key c \minor a4 gis a2 }
\score {
 \context StaffGroup <<
   \context Staff = "first" <<
 \transpose bes c'
 \firstNotes
   >>
   \context Staff = "second" <<
 \transpose f c'
 \secondNotes
   >>
 >>
 \layout { }
}
\score {
 \context StaffGroup <<
   \context Staff = "first" <<
 \firstNotes
   >>
   \context Staff = "second" <<
 \secondNotes
   >>
 >>
 \midi { \tempo 4 = 60 }
}
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Re: Removing bar numbers

[D Josiah Boothby]

I've got the same problem, though with Pedro Kroeger's lilypond-snapshot 
(version 2.4.2). Here's a small example:

A .png can be found at the following url:
http://students.washington.edu/josiah/music/barnumbers.png

\version "2.4.2"

\header {
 title = "bar number test"
}

\score {
 { 
  \time 3/2
  \repeat unfold 72 { es'2 }
 }
 
 \layout {
  papersize = "letter"
  \context {
   \Staff
   \remove Bar_number_engraver
  }
}
}

On Tuesday 14 December 2004 01:10 am, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> When I tried your file, I got a syntax error. From your email,
> I got the impression that the file was processed without problems
> but that the bar numbers didn't vanish.
>
> The only problem with your file is that you had copied a solution
> written for an older version of LilyPond without updating the
> syntax. Just replace \translator with \context in your \paper{...}
> block to get a fully working example for version 2.2.6.
>
> When you upgrade to version 2.4 or whatever, use convert-ly to
> upgrade the syntax. For that reason, I recommend to already now
> insert a line
> \version "2.2.6"
> at the top of your .ly files.
>
> By the way, I don't know what you expect the setting
> \set Staff.minimumVerticalExtent = #'(+2 . 5.1)
> to do. Since the staff lines themselves extend down to -2,
> there's no reason to set the lower edge (the first number)
> of the minimumVerticalExtent larger than -2.
>
> /Mats
>
> Anna Choma wrote:
> > Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> >> Could you please send a full example file that fails to work for
> >> you, I've never had any problems with the \remove "..." solution.
> >>
> >>/Mats
> >
> > Yes, I can. That's the whole piece:
> >
> > %%%
> > #(set-global-staff-size 16)
> > \header { tagline = "" }
> >
> > \score { \context Staff {
> > %\override Score.BarNumber #'break-visibility = #all-invisible
> > \set Staff.minimumVerticalExtent = #'(+2 . 5.1)
> > \notes  \relative c' {
> >  \time 4/4 \key c \minor
> >  c2 es g as b, r4 g'~ g fis2 f4~ f e2 es4~
> >  es d des c b g c f es2 d c r
> >  }}
> > \paper { paperheight = 21.0 \cm
> >   linewidth = 134\mm
> >   pagenumber = no
> >   indent = 0
> >   \translator { \ScoreContext
> >  \remove "Bar_number_engraver"
> >   }
> >}}
> > %%%
> >
> >
> > I commented my solution and put \remove into \translator block. Then it
> > doesn't work. Once more --- my version is 2.2.6.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Anna Choma
> >
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debian/ubuntu/mepis question

[D Josiah Boothby]

I'm about to install either ubuntu or mepis onto a computer that has no 
internet access. How do I figure out which packages to download onto my 
usb thumbdrive to get Pedro Kroeger's lilypond-snapshot running?

Josiah
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Re: help with \remove

[D Josiah Boothby]

thank you mats for the .tex file, i'll have to try that.
unfortunatly, i've had problems with \remove Bar_number_engraver before, 
but I don't know enough about what makes these things work to try filing 
it as a bug.

am i doing something wrong, or should i try filing this as a bug?
josiah
Christian Hitz wrote:
Or you could use the example from the manual
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Blank- 
music-sheet.html

and delete the Tab-Staff
Christian

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Re: who uses lilypond

[D Josiah Boothby]

student, sometimes arranger/copyist (lately there hasn't been a 
difference for me between these), rarely a composer.

used to use finale, but frustrated by my attempts to make it work under 
wine, i started using lily. at this point, there are few things that i 
would prefer finale for.

josiah
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help with \remove

[D Josiah Boothby]

trying to make manuscript paper, but I can't get the rests or bar numbers 
to remove:

\version "2.4.2"
\header {
  tagline = ""
}
\score {
  {
\repeat unfold 12 { R1 \break }
  }
  \layout {
indent = 0\in
\context {
  \Staff
  \remove Bar_number_engraver
  \remove Time_signature_engraver
  \remove Clef_engraver
  \remove Multi_measure_rest_engraver
}
  }
}
\paper {
  papersize = "letter"
  raggedlastbottom = ##f
  linewidth = 7.5\in
  leftmargin = 0.5\in
  bottommargin = 0.25\in
  topmargin = 0.25\in
}

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Re: r2 or R2 in metrum 2/4

[D Josiah Boothby]

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Albert Einstein wrote:
Does the mark of the rest in case of pause in whole duration of bar 
independently of metrum (2/4 6/8 4/4) look the same and is centered and under 
fourth line?
R1 for 4/4 ?
R2 for 2/4?
R2. for 3/4?
Yes, at least in 2.4.x (I don't remember if this is the way in 2.2.x). 
Similarly R1*5/8 for 5/8...

Is it the truth that small r is used to put rests beside pitches in the bar?
And that R is used for pause in whole durtion of the bar and looks the same 
for any metrum?
Yes, r is for rests within the measure; R is for whole-measure or multi 
measure rests.

More can be found in section 5.15.8 in the manual (version 2.4).
Josiah
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Re: Small example images?

[D Josiah Boothby]

How can I make lilypond output an image file just large enough to
hold the music?
You could set the papersize, line length, and margins as described in 
section 7.5 (for 2.4.x, but section 4.6 for v. 2.2.x) of the manual, 
especially if you want the high resolution of a .ps or .pdf.

If you try at the command line something like this:
$ lilypond --png --preview --no-page example.ly
you will get a file called example.preview.png which is just the picture 
without the entire page, but this would probably be a bit problematic for 
longer examples since the preview only shows the title and first system of 
the score.

So, probably the best way is to decide what size you want your example to 
be and just create set your papersize, linelength, and margins.

Josiah
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Re: documentation question

[D Josiah Boothby]

ah, i think that's more clear now. thank you.
josiah
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
Not exactly! A \layout{} block can be put both within a \score{} and
before it. If you put it outside the \score{} block, it will apply to
all score blocks after it. The difference between \layout and \paper
is what you can put into them. In \layout{}, you specify things related
to how the music is typeset, whereas \paper{} describes the paper layout
(such as paper size, margins, ...).
  /Mats
D Josiah Boothby wrote:
I think I figured this out on my own (though I still think the 
documentation seems a bit vague on the matter):

\layout is for inside the \score block, where \paper is for outside the 
\score block.

Josiah
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, D Josiah Boothby wrote:
in the documentation for v. 2.4.2 regarding the difference between \paper 
and \layout (this again!), \paper is described in section 7.5.11, but 
should that be \layout?

is it possible that some description of the difference between \layout and 
\paper can make it into the documentation? this is quite confusing.

josiah
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