Re: Time signature change in first alternative causes different behavior depending on number of staves

[Palmer Ralph]

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:12 PM Jörn Eichler  wrote:
>
> Hi to everybody,
>
> this is my first post to this list. I experienced a problem in v2.19.83
> when I tried to produce orchestral parts from a score. Since I couldn't
> find it on the issue tracker, I hope it's OK to post here:
>
> \score {
><<
>\new Staff {\relative c {\repeat volta 2 {\time 2/4 R2 |}
> \alternative {{\time 3/4  R2. |} {r4 r r |
>\new Staff {\relative c {\repeat volta 2 {\time 2/4 R2 |}
> \alternative {{\time 3/4  R2. |} {r4 r r |
>>> }
>
> Both staves are the same and the time signature change in the first
> alternative (to 3/4) is kept for the second alternative (the bar with 3
> quarter rests).
>
> However, if you comment out one of the staves, v2.19.83 gives an error
> and silently continues with 2/4 in the second alternative (which gives
> one bar with 2 quarter rests and another bar with one rest), while
> v2.18.2 still keeps the change to 3/4. So v2.19.83 behaves differently
> when there's only one staff.
>

I believe this should have gone to the user list as well so I'm
forwarding it there.

I see two issues here. The first is the inconsistent behavior. It
looks to me like the default behavior for a single was intentionally
changed for v2.19.83. However, the default behavior for multiple
staves remains unchanged.

The second issue is which behavior is "correct" and/or should be the
default. In my opinion, the default behavior for multiple staves
should have been changed as well, and the new time signature should be
announced in the second alternative as well as the first.

All the best,

Ralph


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Re: Proportional spacing bug: chained \noBreaks + \newSpacingSection

[Palmer Ralph]

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 4:30 PM Trevor Bača  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> LilyPond incorrectly compresses consecutive, proportionally spaced measures
> when the following conditions hold:
>
> 1. first measure in the sequence sets \proportionalNotationDuration; and
> 2. last measure in sequence is followed by \newSpacingSection; and
> 3. all measures in sequence carry \noBreak commands.
>
Hi, Trevor -Thanks for the message. This has been entered as Issue #5440.
All the best, Ralph

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Re: Footnote separator line

[Palmer Ralph]

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Malte Meyn  wrote:

>
>
> Am 11.10.2017 um 14:55 schrieb Malte Meyn:
>
>>
>>
>> Am 11.10.2017 um 14:42 schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt:
>>
>>> Hi fellows,
>>>
>>> I have a footnote in a score. This footnote is separated by a centered
>>> horizontal line. Is there a possibility to remove it or adjust formatting?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>> Jan-Peter
>>>
>>
>> \paper {
>>footnote-separator-markup = ##f
>> }
>>
>
> This should be documented. At the moment, it isn’t mentioned anywhere a
> normal user can find it:
>
> $ git grep footnote-separator-markup
> lily/page-layout-problem.cc:  SCM markup = paper->c_variable
> ("footnote-separator-markup");
> ly/paper-defaults-init.ly:  footnote-separator-markup = \markup
> \fill-line { \override #'(span-factor . 1/2) \draw-hline }
> $
>
> CC to bug list.
>

Greetings, Malte Meyne - Thanks for the email. This has been submitted as
Issue #5218 Footnote separator line.

Ralph
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Re: Use "#f" instead of "false" in manuals (was: OT: pagenumber)

[Palmer Ralph]

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Urs Liska  wrote:

>
>
> Am 05.03.2016 um 09:51 schrieb Blöchl Bernhard:
> > I would recommend to add the options a user has to any item in the
> > chapter (maybe in other chapters as well)
> > 4.1.6 Other \paper variables
> > in the actual example that would mean
> >  print-page-number
> > default is ##true. If set to false (##f), page numbers are not
> > printed. Example of use:
> >  print-page-number = ##f
> >
> > Is there any adress to send this as a recommendation to the manual
> > editors? It is not a bug so I think the bug list is not the correct
> > address?
> >
>
> I agree that the use of the words "true" and "false" in that context is
> suboptimal and will confuse users who are still struggling with "false",
> "#f" and "##f".
> I'm not completely sure what the best resolution is.
>
> The bug-lilypond list is the right address for such issues, therefore I
> CC to that list with a modified subject.
>
> Urs
>

Thanks. This has been submitted as Issue #4792 :
https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/4792/
Ralph
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Repeat problem

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings, All -

I'm running LilyPond 2.11.53 under Windows XP SP3. I feel more than
slightly embarrassed: I just finished the GDP rewrite of repeats, and I
cannot figure out what the problem is with this snippet. I keep getting
a more alternatives than repeats error. It prints to pdf, but no
second ending.

Thanks for your help,

Ralph

%% begin snippet %

%The Blue Ball  The False Proof
\version 2.11.53
\include english.ly

BlueBallUp = \relative c'' {
\clef treble
\key d \major
\time 6/8

%Part A
\repeat volta 2 {
b,8 fs' e d cs a |
}
\alternative {
{cs8 b a b4 a8 } |
{cs8 b a b4.} |
}


%Part B
fs'4 b,8 d cs b |
\bar  |.
}

\layout {
indent = #0
}

\score {
\BlueBallUp
}

% end snippet 


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Test

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I apologize for the trash, but I've stopped receiving the user list
mailings. I changed my subscription, and this is a test.

Ralph


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Indexing function codes

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi -

I'm working on indexing, and I have a question for those of us who use
the function index.

When looking for a command such as \repeat or \alternative, which would
you find more helpful: having duplicate index entries (i.e., one with
the backslash and one without) or having an entry only for the exact
command? In other words, option 1 would have all of:

\alternative
\repeat
alternative
repeat

while option 2 would have only

\alternative
\repeat

Thanks for your time and attention,

Ralph

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RE: Indexing function codes

[Palmer, Ralph]

Thanks, Francisco, Reinhold, and Trevor -

Trevor, I've already included _lots_ of @cindex entries. The question
for me was whether to include the function itself both with and without
the backslash, or just with the backslash. Since I sometimes can
remember the name of the function, but not whether it takes the
backslash or not, and since (as Reinhold was wondering) all the
backslashes sort to one section of the index, I'm currently planning to
add both. It appears to be clear from the context in the NR whether the
backslash is required or not.

Thank you for your replies.

Peace,

Ralph



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RE: GDP Repeats, Scheme code extra braces

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

 --
 
 Message: 6
 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:03:10 -0700
 From: Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: GDP: first public draft, NR 1.4 Repeats
 To: Francisco Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: lilypond-user Mailinglist lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
 
 On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:00:06 +0200
 Francisco Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  - As for standard policy of Scheme code writing, I don't know if,
but
  here are two mixed styles, #'((volta #f) etc, (w/o spaces) and #'( (
  volta #f ) (with spaces). I prefer not to write spaces rounding
  parentheses in Scheme code.
 
 Hmm.  I prefer having no spaces if there's a single item, but if
 there's multiple (foo) inside a #'( ... ) list, I find them easier
 to read without spaces.
 
 I don't have any firm feelings about this, though.
 

I think (speaking as a tyro regarding Scheme)  the spaces make it easier
for me to decipher on a first pass on a fairly simple piece of Scheme
coding, and I would be surprised if they confused regular Scheme users.
Therefore, my preference in the NR, would be to include spaces. I do
confess to being unsure about exactly when and where spaces are required
and where they are optional in LilyPond code. I will continue to use
extraneous spaces in Scheme code unless someone makes an Executive
Decision (to which I will comply).

 
  - This is very personal: the syntax of \alternate is clear from the
  examples, but I always have to explain why one has to write the
extra
  pair of braces. I suppose that the number of alternatives is
unknown,
  that's why they are required. Forgive me if you think this is not
the
  best place to explain it, or if this has not to be detailed in the
  docs at all.
 
 That's a great point!  We should include a sentence about this the
 first time it comes up.
 
 Cheers,
 - Graham
 

The braces are not extra - I believe they delimit (identify?) the
arguments to \alternative. There can be up to as many alternatives as
there are volte. If you still want an additional sentence, I can add
something like

where @var{musicexpr} is a music expression.  Alternate endings can be
produced using @code{\alternative}. [Begin added text] In order to
delimit the alternate endings, the 
group of alternatives must be enclosed in a set of braces. [End added
text.]  If there are more repeats than
there are alternate endings, the earliest repeats are given the first
alternative.

I think I would find it more confusing.

Peace,

Ralph


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RE: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 68, Issue 102

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:45:29 +1000
 From: Joe Neeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: GDP: first public draft, NR 1.4 Repeats
 To: Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: lilypond-user Mailinglist lilypond-user@gnu.org
 
 I was referring to the fact that the \partial 4*3 in the alternative
bar
 is necessary to keep LilyPond's timekeeping happy. Now that I read
this
 section again, I see that this is mentioned as a known issue. It might
still
 be worth making clear that you have an example demonstrating the known
issue
 and its solution.
 
 Joe

I've added a sentence to the introductory text for Normal repeats.

Peace,

Ralph


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RE: GDP Repeats, Scheme code extra braces

[Palmer, Ralph]

 -Original Message-
 From: Francisco Vila [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:14 AM
 To: Palmer, Ralph
 Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: GDP Repeats, Scheme code  extra braces
 
 
  where @var{musicexpr} is a music expression.  Alternate endings can
be
  produced using @code{\alternative}. [Begin added text] In order to
  delimit the alternate endings, the
  group of alternatives must be enclosed in a set of braces. [End
added
  text.]  If there are more repeats than
  there are alternate endings, the earliest repeats are given the
first
  alternative.
 
  I think I would find it more confusing.
 
 That's because you have never had to teach the alternative syntax to
 absolutely non programmers. 

Absolutely correct. Given that you have more experience with the
difficulties of beginners than I, I will defer and add the sentence.

Peace,

Ralph

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Re: GDP: Repeats

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi, Joe -

The first comments! I'm out straight today and have a rehearsal tonight,
so I won't get to these until tomorrow, but I appreciate the response.

Take care,

Ralph

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***

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:12:38 +1000
From: Joe Neeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GDP: first public draft, NR 1.4 Repeats
To: Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lilypond-user Mailinglist lilypond-user@gnu.org
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain

On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 22:22 -0700, Graham Percival wrote:
 I'm happy to announce the first public draft of NR 1.4 Repeats!
 Ralph Palmer has done a lot of work preparing this section; please 
 read it carefully and let us know about any mistakes or omissions.

This looks really good! I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but I
really like the inspirational headwords.

Comments:
Introduction:
  endof - end of
  When introducing unfold, you mention repeatcount which might be a
bit mysterious, since you haven't mentioned it before.

Normal repeats:
  I see you have an example with a partial alternative. Maybe you should
call attention to the \partial in the text, since this is something that
seems to come up on the user list regularly.

Tremolo repeats:
  Maybe mention (as a Known Issue) that cross-staff tremolos don't work
well.

Now I know that the organisation of sections is something that has been
discussed a great deal, so if you have already thought about this,
please ignore my next comment: in the introduction, you mention that
repeats come in 4 types. Then you split up into *2* subsections. Given
the text of the introduction, it seems more natural to split the section
into 4 subsections (where the volta subsection would split further into
2 more subsections).

Joe


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Re: nopc -- Proposed Predefines

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi -

I'd like to chime in with my two cents on the JEdit / no JEdit topic. 

Perhaps I should try again, but when I tried using JEdit about a year ago (with 
LilyPondTool, I think - is JEdit normally used without LilyPondTool?), it took 
so long to load JEdit, that I said, Forget it - I'm going back to ConTEXT. 
ConTEXT is not perfect, but it works and works quickly for me. Anybody know if 
JEdit's load time has improved any?

Also, I hope the tenor of the discussion stays civil. People's preferences 
differ, often with valid reasons. I don't think any of us want to push (hard, 
anyway) anyone in a particular software direction -- except in the direction of 
LilyPond, of course. I'm on a PC running XP SP3 now, others are on Macs, and 
many seem to be running some version of Linux, so I would assume that not all 
software is useable by all of us. I'm hoping to get my daughter's semi-trashed 
6-year-old laptop soon, reformat, and start learning Linux, so I'll be in a new 
category soon. I do think we all want as many people to be able to use LilyPond 
as painlessly as possible, right?

Thanks for listening, and thanks for all your hard work - everybody!

Peace,

Ralph

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 Message: 7
 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:33:01 +0200
 From: Bertalan Fodor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: nopc -- Proposed Predefines
 To: Trevor Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org, Carl Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
 This argument is like: I have all the predefined commands I need for
 editing all my LilyPond files.
 
 Currently JEdit with LilyPondTool is the only editor for LilyPond that
 provides syntax checking and autocompletion of tweaks. I consider those
 such crucial features I can't image how other people can work without
 it. So it may worth learning to use another. That will be the last, I'm
 sure. Though I'm quite biased :-)
 
 Bert
 
 Trevor Daniels írta:
  Graham Percival wrote Monday, July 14, 2008 6:40 PM
 
  Non-command-line people should
  be using jedit anyway, so they get the three-click toggle that Bert was
  talking about.
 
  No I shouldn't.  I have a text editing environment that has all the
  features I need for editing all my text files, and I have no intention
  of learning to use another just so I can turn off point and click.  It
  is silly to suggest it.
 
  Trevor
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: 2nd alternative Volta bracket isn't printed after a line break

[Palmer, Ralph]

Valentin wrote:

 I've been discussing with Michael Pozhidaev about the way volta
 brackets are printed when a line break occurs in an alternative
 situation.
 
 In the following snippet, the 2nd bracket is not printed after the
line break:
 
  \relative c'' {
\time 2/4
\repeat volta 2 { d4 d }
\alternative {
  { e4 e f f }
  { g4 g \break f f }
}
e e
  }
 
 % If you remove the \break, the bracket is printed over the two Fs.
 
 My guess would be that unlike the first bracket an alternative
 bracket doesn't have to contain notes, but only to show the
 _beginning_ of the music that has to be played after the repeat, and
 therefore will not be printed after a line break. Ralph, is that
 right? I couldn't find it documented anywhere.
 
 Cheers,
 Valentin

That seems like a reasonable supposition, Valentin. I'm not a
programmer, so I can't vouch for the programmers' intents, but that
seems like appropriate behavior. Or, perhaps, does not seem like
inappropriate behavior.

Ralph

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Starting a repeat at the beginning, II

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

Thanks for all your help so far. I've run into two other matters in
Manual repeats for the GDP that I don't understand. I'll address one in
this email, and send another for the other problem.

I'm running LilyPond 2.11.49 under Windows XP SP3.

I'm working on starting a piece with a repeat sign (bar |:). In order
to get it to work, I used the Score.BreakAlignment #'break-align-orders
structure. This works with
\bar |:
but does not work with
\set Score.repeatCommands = #'( start-repeat )

Is that the expected behavior? The Score.repeatCommands version does not
produce an error in the log, but no repeat sign is printed. If this is
the expected behavior, I don't understand why Score.repeatCommands does
not work. Should this be included in the GDP Repeats as a Known Issue?

Here are the two versions:

+ Start snippet +


\version 2.11.49

 Score.repeatCommands VERSION %%%
%  THIS DOES NOT WORK  %%


TestVoltaStartBreakAlign = {
\key c \major
\clef G
\time 4/4
\relative c'' {

\once \override Score.BreakAlignment #'break-align-orders =
#(make-vector 3 '(
instrument-name
left-edge
ambitus
span-bar
breathing-sign
clef
key-signature
time-signature
staff-bar
custos
span-bar
))

\set Score.repeatCommands = #'( start-repeat )
c1
d1
d4 e f g
}
}

\score
{
\TestVoltaStartBreakAlign
}

+++ End Snippet 

+++ Start Snippet +

\version 2.11.49

  bar |: VERSION %%%
%  THIS WORKS  %%


TestVoltaStartBreakAlign = {
\key c \major
\clef G
\time 4/4
\relative c'' {

\once \override Score.BreakAlignment #'break-align-orders =
#(make-vector 3 '(
instrument-name
left-edge
ambitus
span-bar
breathing-sign
clef
key-signature
time-signature
staff-bar
custos
span-bar
))

\bar |:
c1
d1
d4 e f g
}
}

\score
{
\TestVoltaStartBreakAlign
}

+ End snippet +++

Thanks again for all your help and all your work on LilyPond,

Ralph

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RE: Starting a repeat at the beginning, II

[Palmer, Ralph]

Thanks for your reply, Neil.

 -Original Message-
 From: Neil Puttock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 2:07 PM
 To: Palmer, Ralph
 Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: Starting a repeat at the beginning, II
 
 Hi Ralph,
 
 2008/6/27 Palmer, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Greetings -
 
  I'm working on starting a piece with a repeat sign (bar |:). In
order
  to get it to work, I used the Score.BreakAlignment
#'break-align-orders
  structure. This works with
  \bar |:
  but does not work with
  \set Score.repeatCommands = #'( start-repeat )
 
  Is that the expected behavior? The Score.repeatCommands version does
not
  produce an error in the log, but no repeat sign is printed. If this
is
  the expected behavior, I don't understand why Score.repeatCommands
does
  not work. Should this be included in the GDP Repeats as a Known
Issue?
 
 I'm sorry that my post in your original thread seems to have caused
 some confusion; I'll try to clarify here as best I can:
 
 - repeat signs at the start of a piece can only be typeset using \bar;
 as far as I'm aware, there's no override which will force visibility
 using repeatCommands or \repeat volta, since this behaviour is
 hard-coded.
 

Okay, I get that. That's why Score.repeatCommands doesn't work.

 - overriding 'break-align-orders is not necessary for \bar to work; it
 just allows the tuning of the repeat position.
 

This, however, doesn't seem to be true. I cannot get \bar |: to print
without either using Score.BreakAlignment or else using a skip before
the \bar |: (to attach the \bar |: to, if I had to guess), and
using the skip moves the repeat sign even further than
Score.BreakAlignment does, if in the opposite direction.

 I'd suggest that you remove the 'break-align-orders override from the
 \bar |: example; it just increases the complexity of the snippet and
 also results in the repeat sign being too close to the time signature,
 which would require another override to fix.
 
 Regards,
 Neil

Peace,
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RE: Starting a repeat at the beginning, II

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  This, however, doesn't seem to be true. I cannot get \bar |: to
  print without either using Score.BreakAlignment or else using a skip
  before the \bar |: (to attach the \bar |: to, if I had to
  guess), and using the skip moves the repeat sign even further than
  Score.BreakAlignment does, if in the opposite direction.
 
 Hmm... I hadn't noticed that. :)
 
 It appears to be another case of quirkiness when there's no explicit
context
 creation; the following snippet works fine:
 
 \new Staff \relative c' {
   \bar |:
   c d e f
 }
 
 Regards,
 Neil

Hmm. . . from me, too. I have not been including \new Staff at the
beginning of my examples in repeats.itely, but I can see that some of
the original (to me) examples did include \new Staff. Is this standard
practice? Shall I add \new Staff to all my examples?

Peace,
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RE: Starting a repeat at the beginning, II

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  This, however, doesn't seem to be true. I cannot get \bar |: to
  print without either using Score.BreakAlignment or else using a skip
  before the \bar |: (to attach the \bar |: to, if I had to
  guess), and using the skip moves the repeat sign even further than
  Score.BreakAlignment does, if in the opposite direction.
 
 Hmm... I hadn't noticed that. :)
 
 It appears to be another case of quirkiness when there's no explicit
context
 creation; the following snippet works fine:
 
 \new Staff \relative c' {
   \bar |:
   c d e f
 }

Ah, I just noticed the .png attachment. In the attachment, the repeat
sign is before the time signature. That's definitely not where I would
expect it. That was why I used the Score.BreakAlignment - to get the
repeat sign to print after the time signature.

Peace,
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Repeats GDP Break_Align_Order

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running LilyPond 2.11.49 under Windows XP SP2.

I'm working (still) on Repeats for the GDP. I'm trying to get a begin
(open) repeat sign at the start of a piece. The only way I've been able
to do it so far is with a 
\bar |:
attached to a skip. It was suggested that I use the
Score.breakAlignOrder property. I checked the thread from around 14
March 2003, and came up with

+ Start snippet +++

\version 2.11.48

%  THIS DOESN'T WORK  %%

TestVoltaStartBreakAlign = {
\key c \major
\clef G
\time 4/4
\relative c'' {

\property Score.breakAlignOrder = #'(
instrument-name
left-edge
ambitus
span-bar
breathing-sign
clef
key-signature
time-signature
staff-bar
custos
)

\bar |:
c1
d1
d4 e f g
}
}

\score
{
\TestVoltaStartBreakAlign
}

++ End snippet +

I get this error: 
C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Test/Test volta start breakAlign.ly:13:8: error: unknown
escaped string: `\property'

\property Score.breakAlignOrder = #'(
C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Test/Test volta start breakAlign.ly:13:8: error: syntax
error, unexpected STRING

\property Score.breakAlignOrder = #'(

I've tried searching the NR, IR, AU, and SL for breakAlign, with no
luck.

Can anyone point out the error of my ways?

Peace,

Ralph

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Manual start-repeat (GDP)

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running LilyPond 2.11.49 under WinXP SP2.

I've been working on Repeats for the GDP, and found that 
\set Score.repeatCommands = #'( start-repeat )
doesn't work if it's at the beginning of a score. It looks like it has
to follow a note or a skip. Here are three snippets: Test volta start
a.ly puts the |: bar line in the wrong place; Test volta start b.ly
produces no |: bar line; and Test volta start c.ly puts a |: bar line
in the right place, except that it's displaced to the right because of
the skip. Is this a bug?

The snippets follow.

Peace,

Ralph

 Begin Test volta start a.ly +++

\version 2.11.48

%  WRONG PLACE  %%


TestVoltaStart = {
\key c \major
\clef G
\time 4/4
\relative c'' {
c1
\set Score.repeatCommands = #'( start-repeat )
d1
d4 e f g
}
}

\score
{
\TestVoltaStart
}

+++ End Test volta start a.ly +++

++ Begin Test volta start b.ly +++

\version 2.11.48

%  NO REPEAT  %%


TestVoltaStart = {
\key c \major
\clef G
\time 4/4
\relative c'' {
\set Score.repeatCommands = #'( start-repeat )
c1
d1
d4 e f g
}
}

\score
{
\TestVoltaStart
}

 End Test volta start b.ly +++

 Begin Test volta start c.ly 

\version 2.11.48

%  THIS WORKS  %%


TestVoltaStart = {
\key c \major
\clef G
\time 4/4
\relative c'' {
s1*1/10
\set Score.repeatCommands = #'( start-repeat )
c1*9/10
d1
d4 e f g
}
}

\score
{
\TestVoltaStart
}

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Version number from convert-ly

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi -

I'm running LP 2.11.49 under WinXP SP2.

I was running 2.11.48, and submitted an updated file to Graham for the
GDP. Graham said one of my snippets was broken and could I check it
under 2.11.49? So, I downloaded and installed 2.11.49 and my file looked
fine to me. Then I said to myself, woops - maybe the problem only occurs
if I convert the file to 2.11.49. I started running convert-ly on my
files, and the version number does not change from 48 to 49. In fact, if
I upgrade an .ly file from 2.10.xx to 2.11.49, I still get \version
2.11.48. Is this a bug? The name of the install file is:
lilypond-2.11.49-1.mingw.exe.

Thanks for your help,

Ralph

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RE: Version number from convert-ly

[Palmer, Ralph]

Thanks Mats. I read 3.4, but didn't make it to 3.4.1 because I didn't
think it had to do with a command line option.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:57 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Version number from convert-ly

Please read the first paragraph of section 3.4.1 at 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond-program/Updati
ng-files-with-convert_002dly#Updating-files-with-convert_002dly

   /Mats

Palmer, Ralph wrote:
 Hi -

 I'm running LP 2.11.49 under WinXP SP2.

 I was running 2.11.48, and submitted an updated file to Graham for the
 GDP. Graham said one of my snippets was broken and could I check it
 under 2.11.49? So, I downloaded and installed 2.11.49 and my file
looked
 fine to me. Then I said to myself, woops - maybe the problem only
occurs
 if I convert the file to 2.11.49. I started running convert-ly on my
 files, and the version number does not change from 48 to 49. In fact,
if
 I upgrade an .ly file from 2.10.xx to 2.11.49, I still get \version
 2.11.48. Is this a bug? The name of the install file is:
 lilypond-2.11.49-1.mingw.exe.

 Thanks for your help,

 Ralph

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Font difference between 2.11.23 and GDP

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running LilyPond 2.11.23 under Windows XP SP2. I've been working on
Repeats in the GDP. To demonstrate the behavior of manually setting
repeat signs and brackets, I borrowed from LSR snippet 316, modified it,
and included it in Repeats. I tested my modified version before
submitting it, and it worked fine, but the GDP engraved version appears
differently. 

%% My test version:

\version 2.11.23

Test = {
\key c \major
\clef G
\time 4/4
\relative c'' {
c1
d4 e f g
\override Staff.VoltaBracket #'font-name = #sans
\set Score.repeatCommands = #'( ( volta 1. Repeat to CHORUS ) )
f4 g a b
\set Score.repeatCommands = #'( ( volta #f ) \text ( volta 2., 3. To
VERSE ) end-repeat )
g4 a g a
c1
}
}

\score
{
\Test
}

I've attached the resulting PDF as Test.pdf.  (Funny - it came out of
LilyPond as 60 Kb, and I had to use Adobe Acrobat to reduce the file
size.)

I printed the GDP version as a PDF and attached it as Manual repeat
marks - GDP.pdf.

Can anyone explain the difference?

Thanks for your help,

Ralph

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Manual repeat marks - GDP.pdf
Description: Manual repeat marks - GDP.pdf


Test.pdf
Description: Test.pdf
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RE: Font difference between 2.11.23 and GDP

[Palmer, Ralph]

Thanks, Risto. Looks like I need to do some more work/checking/downloading.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Risto Vääräniemi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:54 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Font difference between 2.11.23 and GDP

2008/6/6 Palmer, Ralph:
 Greetings -

 I'm running LilyPond 2.11.23 under Windows XP SP2. I've been working on
 Repeats in the GDP. To demonstrate the behavior of manually setting
 repeat signs and brackets, I borrowed from LSR snippet 316, modified it,
 and included it in Repeats. I tested my modified version before
 submitting it, and it worked fine, but the GDP engraved version appears
 differently.

 Can anyone explain the difference?

The behaviour of repeatCommand has changed since 2.11.23.

To get the same output with a newer version you have to change the
font-encoding to latin1. Otherwise the font-name won't have any
effect.

I think you could also use markup as discussed in the thread below.
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2008-05/msg00333.html

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RE: Expecting '='

[Palmer, Ralph]

Duh. Thanks, Mats.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:01 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Expecting '='

The first error message tells you that the \Score is wrong and as you 
certainly know, the
capitalization matters in LilyPond. Just replace \Score with \score and 
things should work
better.

/Mats

Palmer, Ralph wrote:
 Greetings -

 I'm missing something, but I don't know what. I'm running LP 2.11.27
 under Windows XP SP 2. I use a short Section Test file to check
 problems or to see if something works. When I run the following, it
 produces the PDF I expect, but the log file sees a problem. I can't
see
 what's wrong. Can anyone help me out?

 Ralph

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 +++ .ly file 

 %Section Test

 \version 2.11.27
 \include english.ly
 \paper {
   ragged-right = ##t
 }

 SectionTest = {
   \key c \major
   \clef treble
   \time 4/4
   \relative c'' {
   c4 d e f
   f4 e d c
   }

 }

 \Score {
   \SectionTest
 }

 +++ log 

 # -*-compilation-*-
 Changing working directory to: `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My
 Documents/Ralph/Sheet Music/LilyPond/Test'
 Processing `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
 Music/LilyPond/Test/SectionTest.ly'
 Parsing...
 C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
 Music/LilyPond/Test/SectionTest.ly:21:0: error: unknown escaped
string:
 `\Score'

 \Score {

 C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
 Music/LilyPond/Test/SectionTest.ly:21:7: error: syntax error,
unexpected
 '{', expecting '='
 \Score 
{

 Interpreting music... 
 Preprocessing graphical objects...
 Finding the ideal number of pages...
 Fitting music on 1 page...
 Drawing systems...
 Layout output to `SectionTest.ps'...
 Converting to `SectionTest.pdf'...
 error: failed files: C:\\Documents and Settings\\rpalmer\\My
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Percent repeats

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm working on Repeats for the GDP (yep, still). Currently, Short
Repeats includes percent repeats and tremolos (for strings, tremolos
include both fingered and bowed tremolos). Percent repeats is not a
term I have heard outside of LilyPond, and if I were looking for those
repeats, percent is not the term I would look under. Does anyone have a
suggestion for a better term?

Ralph

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RE: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 65, Issue 80

[Palmer, Ralph]

Graham wrote:

OK, silly question, but I simply cannot make up my mind.  If we
have a single entry in a list in the @seealso section, should it
end with a period or not?  For example, in this:

---
See also

Music Glossary: chord.

Snippets: Simultaneous 
---



+++

I like consistency, and periods some places and not others is slightly
jarring to me. I checked a number of sources regarding bulleted lists
(yes, I realize these don't actually have bullets, but the entries under
See also are similar to bulleted lists), and there was some variation
in the treatment of punctuation at the end of individual items. Given
that we frequently have multiple items under each entry (e.g., Music
Glossary: notes, note names, chords, foo, bar.) I am in favor of always
ending an entry under See also with a period.

Peace,

Ralph

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Running LilyPond from a memory stick

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

Has anyone been able to run LilyPond from/on a memory stick? I have a 16
Gb stick, and I'd like to run LilyPond from it, but I don't know what
problems I'm likely to encounter. The computers I plan to use both run
Windows XP SP2.

The stick is set up to run programs, but it looks for U3 package files
(*.u3p). Has anyone built .u3p files for LilyPond? Alternatively, anyone
know what files and/or directories would have to be mounted on the
memory stick?

Thank you for your time and attention,

Ralph

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RE: GDP: Time to plan the revision of NR 2 Specialist

[Palmer, Ralph]

The only fingering notations I can think of that might be special to
strings would be:

the thumb notation;
fingered harmonics; and
string or position indications.

Fingered harmonics are probably a simple combination of note head and
fingering (it's actually in the current 2.6.1.1.). String or position
indications are markups. The thumb notation, however, seems clearly to
be a fingering indication specific to strings. It also seems to me that
the fingered harmonics, string or position indications, and probably
multiple fingering possibilities should be in the LSR and maybe should
be referenced under strings in NR 2.

Ralph

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To: Trevor Daniels
Cc: Palmer, Ralph; lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GDP: Time to plan the revision of NR 2 Specialist

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 23:18:18 +0100
Trevor Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ralph Palmer wrote:
 
  2.3.1  Bowed instruments
 
  I'd like to see Fingerings 
 
 I'm not a string player and know nothing of this.  Is the
 normal fingering notation shown in NR 1.7.1 adequate for
 this, or are you looking for something peculiar to strings?

1.7.1 is all they need.  Well, maybe \open as well... although -0
works almost as well.

  and possibly something about articulations
  generally associated with just strings (if there are any).
 
 I'll throw this open to the list - are there any?

Nope.

Granted, I cheated a bit by including \thumb in 1.7.1, but I don't
think there's anything else.  I suppose you *could* argue that
parts for very inexperienced string players could benefit from a
\textSpanner that says II (ie a hand position).  However, that
kind of thing is IMO best covered with snippets anyway.

I would expect (and hope!) that the snippet lists for NR 2
sections would be quite long.

Cheers,
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Re: GDP: Time to plan the revision of NR 2 Specialist

[Palmer, Ralph]

Grand Documentation Project


The next step is to revise the second chapter in the Notation Reference
- NR 
2 Specialist notation.  To kick off this process the new suggested
section 
headings can be found at http://web.uvic.ca/~gperciva/NR2-draft.txt ,
and we 
now need your comments on these before we begin work on the text.  Are
the 
names sensible?  Is the grouping optimal?  Are there other topics which 
should be included?

+

Great job!

Under
2.3.1  Bowed instruments

I'd like to see Fingerings and possibly something about articulations
generally associated with just strings (if there are any).

Ralph

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RE:GDP: What term do you use?

[Palmer, Ralph]

Head tucked in, I venture into the battlefield.

+

Anh Hai Trinh wrote:

I think you are mistaken here, a concert A written in any clef would
sound  
with f = 440Hz, whereas a written concert A with a 8va bracket would
sound  
with f = 880Hz. Anything sounding at a different interval than what is  
notated is called transposition in orchestration books. I believe the  
correct term, if there need be one, would be octave transposition.

--AT



Kieren's interpretation makes more sense to me. A written concert A
with a 8va bracket is, in fact, no longer a written concert A. It's now
a pitch one octave above a concert A. The ottava bracket is part of the
notation, as are sharps, flats, and clef signs. The placement of concert
A in tenor clef is different from the placement of concert A in treble
clef, agreed? And if a piece of music which begins in treble clef has a
tenor clef inserted, any notated concert A following the tenor clef will
still sound at 440 Hz. The ottava bracket is simply part of the
notation, not a transposition.

My two cents.

Ralph

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Re: GDP: Repeats

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

Thanks to all of you who responded to my call for help. I've been busy
and mulling over your comments.

Unless overridden by popular acclaim, I would like to keep the syntax in
the section, even if we decide to call it something less intimidating to
novices than syntax. There is at least one other section with a
similar entry (1.2.1.2 Tuplets), and I find it clarifying and
reassuring. I feel better when I can recognize order.

Here's my latest suggestion:

1.  Musical notation
1.1.Pitches
1.2.Rhythms
1.3.Expressive marks
1.4.Repeats
1.4.1.  Repeat construction
1.4.1.1.Repeat syntax and types of repeats
This is the syntax
These are the types of repeats supported
1.4.2.  Writing repeats
1.4.2.1.Repeated phrases using notated begin and end repeat
signs
Simple
Complex %%i.e., with alternative endings
Manual repeat commands
1.4.2.2.Repeating written out phrases %%i.e., unfold
1.4.2.3.Repeated notes and measures %%i.e., percent repeats
1.4.2.4.Tremolo repeats

I'm open to suggestions for better wording for the headings.

Any further comments?

Thanks for your time and attention,

Ralph

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RE: GDP glossary question: complex meters

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi, Kurt -

When I brought up my definition, it certainly was not intended to be
exclusive (as in the only definition). I was trying to point out that
there was an alternative meaning to polymeter. I have no easy answer to
the problem(s), especially since I think polymeter or complex meter can
refer to more than time signatures - either initial or subsequent. Are
the layered patterns in some West African drumming considered to be
polymeter, or is that polyrhythm? I think western music's recent and
rapid exposure to a lot of different rhythmic structures, notations, and
possibilities have helped create a confusing set of terminologies whose
definitions haven't settled down yet.

Ralph

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To: Mats Bengtsson; Palmer, Ralph; Graham Percival; Till Rettig; Ole
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Cc: lilypond-user Mailinglist
Subject: GDP glossary question: complex meters

BACKGROUND

We now have a number of different terms to refer to several closely
related
concepts:

* polymeter
* polymetric time signature
* double time signature
* compound time signature

(
Elsewhere -- just to add them to the mix -- I've seen:
* mixed meter / mixed time signatures
* additive time signatures
* alternating time signatures
)

Last month, we (meaning y'all) had a discussion about the one true
polymeter: Valentin's definition (group A), where different meters are
used
_simultaneously_ on different staves; and Ralph's definition (group B),
with
regular alternation between different meters.  [I'm not interested in
resolving that discussion, just standardizing the terminology we use.]

LilyPond handles group A quite easily, by simply moving the
Timing_translator to the Staff context.

Group B, due to its polymorphous nature (and resemblance to Hydra), is
handled unevenly.

* LilyPond deals with mixed meters (where meter alternates without a
specific pattern) pretty well
* Double -- aka alternating -- time signatures are not supported
explicitly, but they can be faked [NR 1.2.3.4].
* Additive meters are covered in a snippet ... named
compound-time-signatures.ly (that's where I got 'compound time
signature)

(I'm not sure if one can extend this last one in LilyPond to more
complex
examples, like when the numerator is an additive expression, and the
denominator is a single digit, e.g. (3+2+3)/8.)

SO, MY QUESTION

How can we normalize the terminology?  Here are my thoughts on the
matter,
trying to distill this into a controlled lexicon --

* polymeter -- the most generic term
* sequential polymeter -- Ralph's definition
* regular
* irregular
* simultaneous polymeter -- Valentin's definition
* regular and irregular (theoretically)

And here's what happens to the list of terms above:

* polymetric time signature
Deleted: although it implies sequential polymeter, it has too many
possible
interpretations to be useful.

* double time signature
* compound time signature
* additive time signatures
* alternating time signatures

Become See also _sequential polymeter, regular_

* mixed meter / mixed time signatures
Becomes See also sequential polymeter, irregular_

So ... what are your thoughts?

Thanks!
Kurt




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GDP: Repeats

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi, All -

I'm currently working on rewriting Repeats in the Notation Reference,
and I don't care for the existing structure. Currently, it looks like
this:

1.4 Repeats
1.4.1 Writing repeats
1.4.1.1 Repeat syntax
1.4.1.2 Normal repeats
1.4.1.3 Manual repeat commands
1.4.2 Other repeats
1.4.2.1 Tremolo repeats
1.4.2.2 Measure repeats

However, since Repeat syntax discusses the common syntax for all the
repeats, it would seem to make more sense to take it  out of the section
dealing with normal. I'd like to suggest:

1.4 Repeats
1.4.1 Repeat syntax
1.4.1.1 Repeat syntax and types of
repeats
(introduction of the syntactic
construct)
(following types of repetition are
supported . . .)
1.4.2 Writing repeats
1.4.2.1 Normal repeats (I'd prefer a
better term than normal)
1.4.2.2 Manual repeat commands
1.4.2.3 Tremolo repeats
1.4.2.4 Measure repeats

It might also make sense to split 1.4.1.1 into 1.4.1.1 Repeat syntax,
followed by 1.4.1.2 Types of repeats supported.

Comments, please?

Ralph
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Re:GDP: What term do you use?

[Palmer, Ralph]

Kurt -

If I were actually speaking with another violinist about an actual piece
of music, I'd most likely say something like, It's an ottava passage.
If I got a blank stare, I'd probably add something like, You play the
music an octave higher (lower) than it's written. If I were looking up
how to write such a passage in LilyPond, I would look first under
ottava, and if I didn't find what I wanted, I'd start looking under
octav . . ..

Peace,

Ralph

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Kurt Kroon wrote:
 I'm working on the Glossary for the GDP, and I'm stuck -- so, I'm
canvassing
 the list.  Here's the scenario:

 You've written a composition with a passage that needs to be
played in a
 different octave.  When you describe it (this passage) to another
musician,
 what term do you use?  And do you use the same term or a different one
for
 the actual _process of writing_ the passage in a different octave (if
you
 even bother to name the process)?

 Since this will go into the glossary, please respond with the
preferred term
 in any of these languages:

 Danish
 Dutch
 English
 Finnish
 French
 German
 Italian
 Spanish
 Swedish

 Thanks!
 Kurtis

 PS: Internally, LilyPond calls this octavation ... which I only
included
 because I couldn't think of a better term.




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Call for help : pitches.itely 1.1.4.3 - shape notes

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi -

I'm rewriting pitches.itely, and I've run into a snag. I'm only
marginally familiar with shape notes, and I'd like some help with that
section : 1.1.4.3 Shape note heads.

1. It's not clear to me why the solmization name sol is replaced by
#f. Can anyone give me an explanation I can include in the Notation
Reference?

2. Is this the proper place to list the possible note head shapes? If
not, I think we should at least tell people where to find a list; where
would such a list live? I tried, unsuccessfully, to find one.

Thanks for your time and attention,

Ralph

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Re: GDP: index entries for snippets

[Palmer, Ralph]

Back when I had time to actually do reasonably complex projects (i.e.,
transcribe music), I did use the index. In fact, I think I would have
been lost without it a few cases.

Ralph

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:25:08 +0100
From: Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GDP: index entries for snippets
To: Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lilypond-user Mailinglist lilypond-user@gnu.org
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2008/2/8, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Of course, I famously never use the index, so I'm not the best
 person to judge whether certain index entries are helpful or not.

Neither am I :-) Anyone else?

Cheers,
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Re: Part 2 of 2 -- Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches 2008-01-26

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

Kurt wrote:

--


Generally -- which and that have specific uses that we aren't
observing
very well. That introduces a restrictive subclause and should not be
preceded by a comma. Removing this clause changes the meaning of the
sentence, usually by making it more general.  On the other hand, which
introduces an informative (but non-restrictive) subclause and should be
preceded by a comma.  I replaced which with that below (and in my
preceding
email) where the following clause was restrictive and couldn't be
removed
without generalizing the meaning of the sentence.


--

My copy of The Scott, Foresman Handbook for Writers, Fourth Edition,
(1996), under Problems with that, which, and who? says,
Understand that both essential (restrictive) and
nonessential (nonrestrictive) clauses may begin with which. A clause
introduced by that will almost always be essential. No commas are used
around such clauses. . . . Context and punctuation, however, determine
whether a which clause is essential or nonessential. If the clause is
essential, no commas separate it from the rest of the sentence; if
nonessential, commas enclose the clause. (Emphasis in the original.)

That being said, I am not opposed to trying to maintain consistency.

Ralph

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spacing

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running LilyPond V 2.11.27 under Win XP SP2.

I've been typesetting scales and arpeggios, and I noticed that the
spacing of the eighth note triplets is not constant in the following.
It's not huge, but the triplets in the first half of the first measure
clearly have a wider spacing than the rest. Is this a bug, or did I
inadvertently alter something? Also, when I ran convert-ly on my
scales (which were previously in LP 2.11.23), the \version 2.11.23 did
not update to 2.11.27. Is that expected? Do I need to update each
individual file? The command I ran was : convert-ly -e *.ly

Thanks for your time and help,

Ralph

%%% begin snippet 

%% Test
\version 2.11.27
\include english.ly
%#(set-default-paper-size letter)
#(set-global-staff-size 20)
\header {
title = test
}

\layout {
\context {
\Score
\remove Bar_number_engraver
}
}
\paper {
indent = 0.0\cm
ragged-last-bottom = ##t
 }

test = {
\key bf \major
\time 4/4

% end snippet %%

%Arpeggios
\time 6/4
\override TupletNumber #'transparent = ##t
\set tupletSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 4)
\times 2/3
\relative c' {

bf8 e gf-3_1 bf ef-1_2 gf_4 bf ef-1_1 gf bf gf ef bf-4 gf ef bf
gf ef |
}

bf1
\bar |.

}

%  Score 
\score {
\test

}


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Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi, Graham -

I noticed an issue regarding the See also on the TODO list: 

- all the commands like @seealso use a @subsubheading, but they
  appear as the same size as the @unnumberedsubsubsec headings (as
  you would expect).  Fix somehow.

I had noticed that, and wondered if adding a blank line between the end
of @seealso and the next @unnemberedsubsubsec would help clarify the
change in subject.

Ralph


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Re: Lilypond language definition for Notepad++

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I've been using ConText for editing my LilyPond files. I'm running
LilyPond 2.11.23 under Windows XP SP2. I tried using jEdit with LPTool
for awhile, but the load time was so long, that I gave up. I didn't see
any great advantage to jEdit at that time (about a year ago?), and
ConText does have syntax highlighting. I've been happy ConText, but I
may give jEdit another chance.

Ralph


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Re: GDP: addition for Rhythms?

[Palmer, Ralph]

It may not be pertinent to this particular discussion, but there's another kind 
of real polymetric music : where there is a regular alternation between 
different times (e.g., 3/8 - 7/8, or maybe even 5/8 - 3/4 ; in Hindustani 
classical music, there's an 11 beat tal that's counted 2 2 2 2 1.5 1.5).

Ralph

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+ Orig message 

2008/1/14, till [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I just read a bit further in the GDP and saw this example about polymetric
 music where each note has still the same duration, so the barlines won't be
 on the same vertical position. Because Lilypond can't count the bars
 anymore, it won't put bar numbers by default. This has to be done a similar
 way by removing the Bar_number_engraver from the score and putting it into
 the staves.
 Should this be added to the example, or find a mentioning in the section
 about bar numbers? Or would you like it as a snippet?

There are two kinds of polymetric music AFAIK: real polymetric
pieces, where the timeSignature are always different between parts,
and false polymetric pieces, where such a method is just used
temporarily, as a special effect, for a more or less short section.

As Mats pointed out, adding bar numbers in a polymetric piece of the
first kind would be somehow pointless. In a piece of the second kind,
you may use a function such as:
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=333

However, if have a snippet to propose to make this whole thing more
self-explanatory, it could be great :)

Cheers,
Valentin




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:35:50 +0100
From: Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Smarter cross-staff Beam 'positions?
To: Trevor Ba?a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Trevor Bača wrote:
 Is there a way to get normal (noncrosss-staff) beams to likewise sit 
 at that same vertical position?

 (IOW, I'm looking for both flat and vertically aligned; Rune's #+inf.0 
 gets flat ... now for the vertically aligned part?)
That sounds like en excellent example of when you want to use positions, 
right?

   /Mats




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:58:34 -0500
From: Eliot Handelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Analysis brackets don't work with spaces
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi,


The following code generates the markups but not the brackets. 
Is there some way to get brackets printed when they are attached to spaces? 

many thanks,

-- eliot


\version 2.10.33

\header { title = Brackets don't work with spaces }

A = {
  \time 4/4
  \clef treble
  s2\startGroup^\markup { \column { 1 } } 
  s2\stopGroup^\markup { \column { 2 } } 
  \bar |.
}

\score {
   
\new Staff  \A 
  
  
\layout {
\context {
  \Staff \consists Horizontal_bracket_engraver
}

  }
}






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Graham leaving

[Palmer, Ralph]

I am going to miss Graham, too. The effort he has put into LilyPond has
been substantial and the results have been both extensive and excellent.
Thank you, Graham.

I'm currently doing some work on the documents, and will continue to do
so. It's possible I may be able to shift my emphasis (duties?), if
that's desirable or necessary, but I don't want to increase the amount
of time I'm spending on it - I'm already unable to do other projects I
was working on prior to working on the GDP.

Again, I'm grateful for all your efforts and your encouragement, Graham.

Sincerely,

Ralph

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Emacs lilypond mode on XP

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi -

I'm running LilyPond 2.11.23 under WinXP SP2.

I've been using ConTEXT for editing, but I'm starting to get familiar
with Emacs (22.1.1, i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) from using it to work on the
GDP. I'm not a programmer, but not a complete tyro, either. Can anyone
please explain to me how I can get LilyPond highlighting (i.e., I think,
get Emacs to run in LilyPond-mode)? Also, is there any sort of manual or
help for LilyPond mode on Emacs?

Thank you for your time and help,

Ralph
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Re:Your Friendly Neighborhood LSR

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

Does code ever work in one version, then not work in a subsequent
version, then work again in an even later version? I can see where it
might, at least at the x.x.xx level. If that's the case, snippets could
end up with multiple version lines.

Ralph
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Valentin Villenave skrev:

 -- First rule of LSR is: do not add a \version line.
 -- Second rule of LSR is: do NOT add a \version line.

What is the reason for this?
The version line might be good information to have - at least in a
comment. If a snippet stops behaving correctly, the original author of
the snippet is gone, nobody any longer really remembers what the snippet
was supposed to do - then the version line will give a hint on which
ancient lilypond to use in order to see the snippet as the contributor
intended.
Automatically commenting out version lines - and automatically
complaining if the snippet asks for a wrong version - should be quite
simple.

-Rune

--
--

Rune Zedeler wrote:
 Valentin Villenave skrev:

 -- First rule of LSR is: do not add a \version line.
 -- Second rule of LSR is: do NOT add a \version line.

 What is the reason for this?
 The version line might be good information to have - at least in a 
 comment. If a snippet stops behaving correctly, the original author of

 the snippet is gone, nobody any longer really remembers what the 
 snippet was supposed to do - then the version line will give a hint on

 which ancient lilypond to use in order to see the snippet as the 
 contributor intended.
 Automatically commenting out version lines - and automatically 
 complaining if the snippet asks for a wrong version - should be quite 
 simple.

I have some similar thoughts. I definitely think that the .ly code shown

when
you click on a snippet should include a \version line (even if it isn't 
stored
internally in the database). This is crucial information for the end 
user, who
maybe isn't always using the latest version (or has already updated to
an
unstable version) and doesn't realize why a snippet doesn't work as
expected. Also, it's not easy to find information the LSR web pages on
what version you are currently using. The only place I could find is
under
Contributing, which is not a place where an end user is expected to
look.

However, Rune has also got a point that it would
be good to know at least about the last version where we are sure that
the
snippet worked as originally intended.



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Re: GDP: preferred terms

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

***

Graham wrote:

- bar vs. measure.  Whenever possible, we use the same term as the
internal lilypond syntax uses... but I've seen both bars and measures in
those docs.  Should we just leave this up to individual doc writers, or
pick one word?

- barline vs. bar line.  I believe that the lilypond syntax is
barline, but that could just be because we can't have spaces in
property names.

***

My preference would be to use measure and [barline or bar line].
That is, I think bar is sometimes used as a synonym for barline;
therefore, staying consistently with measure for the unit of music and
barline (or bar line, I don't care) for the symbol delimiting a
measure, might help achieve clarity.

Ralph
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Barcheck and TrillSpan

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm getting there, and I'd like to thank all of you for the wonderful
program and all the help!

I'm running LilyPond 2.11.23 under Windows XP SP2.

I'm including a snippet and the log from running the snippet. I'm using
a silent note (space holder?) to allow a different clef cue at the
beginning of the piece, and it is causing a barcheck failure. The
failure doesn't seem to produce any other problems, so should I just
ignore it? Or is there a better structure to use to get my intended
result? Also, I'm trying to get tr plus the wavy line for the length
of the dotted quarter note. I can't seem to get it to work. Perhaps I'm
wrong in believing that the trill should be for just the length of the
dotted quarter; is it standard practice to have the trill indication
last through the turn at the end of the trill? Even if that is the
case, why doesn't my setup work?

Here's the snippet, followed by the log:

%%   Begin Snippet   %%


\version 2.11.23
\include english.ly

AoFIIIvcl = {
\key d \minor
\clef F
\time 2/2

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-align-symbols =
#'(time-signature)
\mark \markup {\teeny \note #4 #1 \teeny { = 92 - 100} }
\set Score.skipBars = ##f

\once\override TextScript #'extra-offset = #'(7.0 . -1.3)
s1*1/10
\clef alto

%Cue
 {
R1*9/10 |
} \\ {
\set fontSize = #-3
d'2*4/5_Vla a2 |
} 

\clef bass

%Measure 27
fs4.*9/10\\startTrillSpan( s4.*1/10\stopTrillSpan e16\!\ fs)
g8\!( f e d) |
cs4.*9/10\\startTrillSpan( s4.*1/10\stopTrillSpan b,16\!\ cs)
d8\!( c b, a,) |
gs,4 gs a a,8( b,) |

\bar |.


}

\score {
\AoFIIIvcl
}

%%   End Snippet   %

++ Start of log +

# -*-compilation-*-
Changing working directory to: `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My
Documents/Ralph/Sheet Music/LilyPond/Test'
Processing `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Test/Test.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music... 
C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Test/Test.ly:20:8: warning: barcheck failed at: 1/10

R1*9/10 | Preprocessing graphical objects...
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
programming error: Improbable offset for stencil: -1.#IND00 staff space
Setting to zero.
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: Improbable offset for stencil: -1.#IND00 staff space
Setting to zero.
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: Improbable offset for stencil: -1.#IND00 staff space
Setting to zero.
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: Improbable offset for stencil: -1.#IND00 staff space
Setting to zero.
continuing, cross fingers
Layout output to `Test.ps'...
warning: Found infinity or nan in output. Substituting 0.0
warning: Found infinity or nan in output. Substituting 0.0
Converting to `Test.pdf'...

+ end of log +

Thanks again for you time and attention,

Ralph
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RE: Barcheck and TrillSpan

[Palmer, Ralph]

Thanks, Kieren -

That works perfectly for the clef change at the beginning of the piece.

Anyone have any ideas about the TrillSpan problem?

 Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Kieren MacMillan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:01 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Barcheck and TrillSpan

Hi Ralph,

 I'm using a silent note (space holder?) to allow a different clef cue 
 at the beginning of the piece, and it is causing a barcheck failure. 
 The failure doesn't seem to produce any other problems, so should I 
 just ignore it? Or is there a better structure to use to get my 
 intended result?

Have you tried \grace instead of \skip?
It adds the small complexity that you need to synchronize all Voice/
Staff contexts, but otherwise it has behaved perfectly for me...

Hope this helps!
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RE: Barcheck and TrillSpan

[Palmer, Ralph]

Thanks again, Kieren!

That worked.

Ralph 

-Original Message-
From: Kieren MacMillan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:19 PM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Barcheck and TrillSpan

Hi Ralph...

 That works perfectly for the clef change at the beginning of the 
 piece.

Glad to hear it!

 Anyone have any ideas about the TrillSpan problem?

What about:

%%%  BEGIN SNIPPET

\version 2.11.23
\include english.ly

\score
{
{
\clef bass
\once \override TrillSpanner #'bound-details #'right
#'padding = #10
fs4.\startTrillSpan e8\stopTrillSpan
}
}

%%%  END SNIPPET

Clearly, I've exaggerated the padding value here, for instructional
effect...  =)

Hope this helps!
Kieren.


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Re: repeat syntax

[Palmer, Ralph]

Aha! I have been unable to reference an external file in a \score block
if the external file had a space or a digit in it. (Running LilyPond
2.11.13 under Windows XP Pro, SP 2.) For example:

Test1 music.ly is:

%

\version 2.11.23
\include english.ly



Test1 = {
\key d \minor
\clef treble
\time 4/4

c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4
c''4 c''4

}

%

and Test.ly is:

%
\version 2.11.23
\include english.ly


\layout {
ragged-right = ##t
}


\score {
\Test1
}

%%%

Test.ly fails. I just tried them with quotes around Test1 in both files,
and it still failed. Is there a way to get Lilypond to recognize digits
(i.e., numerics) in a /score block?

Ralph
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:47:56 +0200
From: Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: repeat syntax
To: Shelagh Manton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There's no difference. As far as I can recall, it has never been
necessary to have quotes in this particular situations, but there are
some other cases where quotes are necessary, for example if you want to
name a context and the name has spaces or digits in it:

\new Staff = violin 2 {c''}

You can find the same kind of confusing mix of quoted and non-quoted
strings in the manual when it shows how to add or remove engravers from
a context, for example.

/Mats



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Re: repeat syntax

[Palmer, Ralph]

Aha! I have been unable to reference an external file in a \score block
if the external file had a space or a digit in it. (Running LilyPond
2.11.13 under Windows XP Pro, SP 2.) For example:

Test1 music.ly is:

%

\version 2.11.23
\include english.ly



Test1 = {
\key d \minor
\clef treble
\time 4/4

c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4 c''4
c''4 c''4

}

%

and Test.ly is:

%
\version 2.11.23
\include english.ly


\layout {
ragged-right = ##t
}


\score {
\Test1
}

%%%

Test.ly fails. I just tried them with quotes around Test1 in both files,
and it still failed. Is there a way to get Lilypond to recognize digits
(i.e., numerics) in a /score block?

Ralph
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:47:56 +0200
From: Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: repeat syntax
To: Shelagh Manton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There's no difference. As far as I can recall, it has never been
necessary to have quotes in this particular situations, but there are
some other cases where quotes are necessary, for example if you want to
name a context and the name has spaces or digits in it:

\new Staff = violin 2 {c''}

You can find the same kind of confusing mix of quoted and non-quoted
strings in the manual when it shows how to add or remove engravers from
a context, for example.

/Mats



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Longer tie

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running LilyPond 2.11.23 under Windows XP2002 SP2.

I'm trying to get a tie to a phantom note at the beginning of a cue.
There's a multi-measure rest before the cue, and I don't want the tie to
be generated within the multi-measure rest. I think I'm coming close,
but I can't figure out how to get the tie long enough to appear to be a
tie. It looks like the minimum-length property might be what I need to
use, but I don't know the syntax. Can someone please try to give me a
hand? Here's a snippet:

%% Begin Snippet %


\version 2.11.23
\include english.ly

%invisible notes for hanging ties
inv = { \override Voice.NoteHead  #'transparent = ##t
\override Voice.Stem  #'transparent = ##t }
unv = { \revert Voice.NoteHead  #'transparent
\revert Voice.Stem  #'transparent }

\layout {
ragged-right = ##t
}

Test = {
\key d \minor
\clef treble
\time 4/4

\set Score.skipBars = ##t
R1*2\noBreak |

%Cue
 {
\set fontSize = #-2.5
\inv bf'16*1/10~ \unv
bf'16*9/10^Vln I[ a'16 g' a'] bf' c'' d'' e'' f''8. ef''16 d''
c'' bf' a' |
} \\{
\set fontSize = #0
R1
} 
%End Cue

}

\score {
\Test
}

%% End Snippet 

Thank you for your time and attention,

Ralph
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Re: Substitution

[Palmer, Ralph]

Thank you, Martial. I didn't think of the brackets because I had done
other substitutions / definitions without the brackets. It works
perfectly, now.

Cheers and thanks,

Ralph


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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:26:38 +0200
From: Martial [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Substitution
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
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Hi !
 In the following code, why doesn't my substition work?

just put in bracket {  blabla  }

breath = {
\once\override BreathingSign #'extra-offset = #'(0.0 .
1.0)\breathe
}


 %%+++ begin snippet 
 
 \version 2.11.23
 \include english.ly
 
 breath = \once\override BreathingSign #'extra-offset = #'(0.0 .
 1.0)\breathe
 
 Test = {
   \key c \major
   \clef treble
   \time 4/4
 
   c''4 c'' \breath c'' c'' \break
   c''4 c'' \once\override BreathingSign #'extra-offset = #'(0.0 .
 1.0)\breathe c'' c''
 
 
   }
 
 \score {
   \Test
 
   }
 
 %%+++ end snippet +++



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Substitution

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running LilyPond 2.11.27 (although the files, after running
convert-ly, say 2.11.23) under Windows XP2000, SP2.

Great program! I just wish I knew everything about it. I'm gaining on
it, though.

In the following code, why doesn't my substition work?

Thank you for your help and for your contribution to the program,

Ralph
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%%+++ begin snippet 

\version 2.11.23
\include english.ly

breath = \once\override BreathingSign #'extra-offset = #'(0.0 .
1.0)\breathe

Test = {
\key c \major
\clef treble
\time 4/4

c''4 c'' \breath c'' c'' \break
c''4 c'' \once\override BreathingSign #'extra-offset = #'(0.0 .
1.0)\breathe c'' c''


}

\score {
\Test

}

%%+++ end snippet +++


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RE: Space in markup using \char

[Palmer, Ralph]

Thank you Steven, but no luck. I get error: unknown escaped string: `\concat' 
, and the .pdf has concat pi ù f (in the proper fonts).

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Steven Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:41 PM
To: Palmer, Ralph; lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Space in markup using \char

The \concat command should fix this:

\markup { \italic { \concat { pi \char #'249 } } }

--Steven

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Palmer, Ralph
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:38 PM
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Space in markup using \char

Greetings -

Lilypond is a great program, and I appreciate all the help I've gotten from the 
members of this list.

I had this problem once before, and just gave up, but perhaps things have 
changed. I've checked the manual, the program reference, and the user list 
archives, with no success.

I'm running LilyPond 2.10.16 under WindowsXP Pro, SP2.

I'm trying to use \markup to insert più f below the staff. Using \char 
#'249, I can get the correct last character in piu, but there's always a space 
between pi and u. I'm including a short snippet illustrating the problem.

 Begin Snippet +++

%Section Test
%piu f problem

\version 2.10.16
\include english.ly
\paper {
ragged-right = ##t
}

SectionTest = {
\key c \major
\clef treble
\time 4/4

c'1 |
d'2_\markup {{\italic{pi\char #'249 }}{\dynamic{ f}}} c'2 | }

\Score {
\SectionTest
}

++ End Snippet +

Thank you again for all your help,

Ralph
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Re:Space in markup using \char

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

Searching the LSR for \char and for \concat both turned up the same 
(single) snippet:

Snippet ID 252 : Demonstrating the power and flexibility of the \markup 
function [0.12500].

In Snippet 252, the \concat command was commented out.

I could not find \concat in the online manual, and \char turned up in the 
markup commands.

I still have not found a combination that produces  più f ; that is, piu 
(with accent grave) in italics, followed by a space, followed by the dynamic 
mark for forte. The closest I can get is to either ignore the accent grave over 
the u or to allow a space between the i and the ù. If anyone else can 
come up with a solution, please let me know. If and when I get a solution, I 
will be happy to try to submit it to the LSR.

Thanks,

Ralph




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 23:39:11 +0200
From: Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Space in markup using \char
To: Steven Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
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2007/7/2, Steven Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 The \concat command should fix this:

Since I had never seen it documented in the manual, I've just added it to the 
LSR.

2007/7/2, Palmer, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I've checked the manual, the program reference, and the user list archives, 
 with no success.

Please remember to add the LSR in your list of useful locations :)

Regards,
Valentin



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:54:33 -0700
From: Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Space in markup using \char
To: Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
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Valentin Villenave wrote:
 2007/7/2, Steven Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 The \concat command should fix this:
 
 Since I had never seen it documented in the manual, I've just added it 
 to the LSR.

It's in 8.1.8.  Where else would it be?


 2007/7/2, Palmer, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I've checked the manual, the program reference, and the user list 
 archives, with no success.
 
 Please remember to add the LSR in your list of useful locations :)

I would actually recommend _replacing_ the user list archives with LSR, not 
simply adding LSR as another place to search.

Cheers,
- Graham




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 00:23:18 +0200
From: Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Space in markup using \char
To: Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED],  lilypond-user
Mailinglist lilypond-user@gnu.org
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2007/7/2, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 It's in 8.1.8.  Where else would it be?

My bad. I should have written I have never seen it *yet*  (it's a part that 
haven't been translated into French, so I didn't get to work on it). Besides, I 
tried to search concat and \concat in LilyPondTool's integrated 
Documentation, and didn't get any result.

 I would actually recommend _replacing_ the user list archives with 
 LSR, not simply adding LSR as another place to search.

This is somehow what I'm trying to do by hunting useful ideas on the -user 
list, so let us hope someday digging in the archives will become pointless...

(of course, I can't guarantee I never miss anything, so this would imply that 
all the users get progressively used to contribute to the LSR -- or that I 
become a God, which might be more difficult...)

Valentin




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RE: Space in markup using \char

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I upgraded to 2.11.27, and was successful, using \concat.

I did not run convert-ly, but the file was interpreted correctly, and there was 
no version error message in the log file. Is it not necessary to convert .ly 
files for the development version if you've been running the most recent stable 
version?

Ralph

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From: Valentin Villenave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:13 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Space in markup using \char

007/7/3, Palmer, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Searching the LSR for \char and for \concat both turned up the 
 same
 (single) snippet:

Obviously, something went wrong when I added the snippet a few hours
ago: the LSR is running 2.10, so I had to comment the relevant lines.

 I still have not found a combination that produces  più f ; that is, 
 piu (with accent grave) in italics, followed by a space, followed by 
 the dynamic mark for forte. The closest I can get is to either ignore 
 the accent grave over the u or to allow a space between the i and 
 the ù. If anyone else can come up with a solution, please let me 
 know. If and when I get a solution, I will be happy to try to submit it to 
 the LSR.

Here is the snippet, based on Steven's answer. It works here; if it doesn't 
work on your box, you will have to install LilyPond 2.11 version.

snippet

\layout {
   ragged-right = ##t
}


{
   c'1^\markup Without \concat |
   d'2_\markup {{\italic{pi\char #'249 }}{\dynamic { f}}} c'2 | } {
   c'1^\markup With \concat |
   d'2_\markup { \italic { \concat { pi \char #'249 } }{\dynamic{ f}}} 
c'2 | } 

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Space in markup using \char

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

Lilypond is a great program, and I appreciate all the help I've gotten from the 
members of this list.

I had this problem once before, and just gave up, but perhaps things have 
changed. I've checked the manual, the program reference, and the user list 
archives, with no success.

I'm running LilyPond 2.10.16 under WindowsXP Pro, SP2.

I'm trying to use \markup to insert più f below the staff. Using \char 
#'249, I can get the correct last character in piu, but there's always a space 
between pi and u. I'm including a short snippet illustrating the problem.

 Begin Snippet +++

%Section Test
%piu f problem

\version 2.10.16
\include english.ly
\paper {
ragged-right = ##t
}

SectionTest = {
\key c \major
\clef treble
\time 4/4

c'1 |
d'2_\markup {{\italic{pi\char #'249 }}{\dynamic{ f}}} c'2 |
}

\Score {
\SectionTest
}

++ End Snippet +

Thank you again for all your help,

Ralph
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Moving breathe sign

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

Just when I think I get the hang of it, bam. 

I'm running LilyPond 2.10.16 under Windows XP Pro SP2.

Thanks to Mats Bengtsson and Bertalan Fodor for their help with two
notehead sizes in one chord.

Now, in the same measure, actually, I'm trying to move a breathe sign,
and having no luck. Here's a snippet:

++ Begin Snippet +

\version 2.10.16

\paper {
ragged-right = ##t
}

Breathe = {
\key d \minor
\clef alto
\time 2/2


c'4 c' c' c' |
\once \override BreathingSign #'extra-offset = #'(0.0 . 5.0)
b8[\breathe b]   c' c ( d e fis gis e) |

}

\score {
\Breathe
}

+++ End Snippet 

I've tried BreathingSign, Score.BreathingSign, Voice.BreathingSign, and
Staff.BreathingSign with #'extra-offset and #'padding in each possible
combination, and none of them makes any visible effect. I've also tried
using \override without \once, to no effect. I've also tried using
\tweak with#'extra-offset and with #'padding immediately before
\breathe, also with no effect.

Any suggestions for what to try next?

I'm grateful to everyone from the LilyPond community for all their help
and support and for the excellent product. I used to really like .abc,
and recently looked at some of my output, and realized that, although
.abc's simplicity is a big pro, LilyPond's output and flexibility are
wonderful. Thanks again.

Cheers,

Ralph
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RE: Moving breathe sign

[Palmer, Ralph]

Mats -

My thanks and my apologies to you! I thought I had tried all
permutations, including the example snippet without the \once.

I used the \once \override before the note because I thought (just as
you surmised) that \once \override covered the next musical moment, and
that (since \breathe came directly after the note) the breathe sign was
attached to the note. I do not know which objects are attached and which
are not, so I'll try both in the future.

Thanks again,

Ralph

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From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:51 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Moving breathe sign

I always first try a property setting without the \once keyword to see
that it works.
If you do that in your example below, you will notice that your property
setting indeed works as it should. The only problem is that a setting
done with \once ...
only applies to the next object, so if you insert it before the note
before the breating sign, it only applies to the note, where it of
course doesn't have any effect.
Just move your \once \override to be directly before the \breathe and it
should work well.
I understand perfectly well why you placed your \once \override where
you did, since that's the correct solution when you want to move an
articulation, a text script, a slur or a dynamic indication, for
example. The reason is that all these are connected to a specific note
and happen simultaneously with the note, whereas the breathe sign is
handled as a separate object, just like clefs or time signatures or ...,
that happen between the notes.
Tricky indeed!

   /Mats

Palmer, Ralph wrote:
 Greetings -

 Just when I think I get the hang of it, bam. 

 I'm running LilyPond 2.10.16 under Windows XP Pro SP2.

 Thanks to Mats Bengtsson and Bertalan Fodor for their help with two 
 notehead sizes in one chord.

 Now, in the same measure, actually, I'm trying to move a breathe sign,

 and having no luck. Here's a snippet:

 ++ Begin Snippet +

 \version 2.10.16

 \paper {
   ragged-right = ##t
   }

 Breathe = {
   \key d \minor
   \clef alto
   \time 2/2


   c'4 c' c' c' |
   \once \override BreathingSign #'extra-offset = #'(0.0 . 5.0)
   b8[\breathe b]   c' c ( d e fis gis e) |

   }
   
 \score {
   \Breathe
   }

 +++ End Snippet 

 I've tried BreathingSign, Score.BreathingSign, Voice.BreathingSign, 
 and Staff.BreathingSign with #'extra-offset and #'padding in each 
 possible combination, and none of them makes any visible effect. I've 
 also tried using \override without \once, to no effect. I've also 
 tried using \tweak with#'extra-offset and with #'padding immediately 
 before \breathe, also with no effect.

 Any suggestions for what to try next?

 I'm grateful to everyone from the LilyPond community for all their 
 help and support and for the excellent product. I used to really like 
 .abc, and recently looked at some of my output, and realized that, 
 although .abc's simplicity is a big pro, LilyPond's output and 
 flexibility are wonderful. Thanks again.

 Cheers,

 Ralph
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\stemUp problem

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running LilyPond 2.10.16 under Windows XP SP2.

I'm trying to write out a cue, and I want the instrument name below the
lower voice, but I can't get the right combination. First, I can't get
the stem on the first note to go up. In the following code, I don't
understand why the two quarter notes have their stems going up, but the
half note has its stem going down. Am I missing something?

Ralph
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%% begin snippet %

\version 2.10.16
%\include english.ly

Test = {
\key d \minor
\clef treble
\time 2/2

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-align-symbol =
#'time-signature
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'padding = #2.0
\mark \markup {\teeny \note #4 #1 \teeny { = 92 - 100} }


{
R1
} \\
{
\set fontSize = #-2
%   \once \override  TextScript #'padding = #1.5
cis'2\stemUp d'4\stemUp e'\stemUp |
}




}

\score {
\Test

}

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Beginning with Cue in different clef

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

Things are moving along for me in LilyPond. Thank you to everyone who
works directly on LilyPond and to everyone who posts and/or helps us
solve problems.

I'm running 2.10.16 under Windows XP SP2.

I'm working on a transcription that involves cueing from another
instrument. I tried tags, cueing, and quoting, all unsuccessfully. I
can't figure out from the documentation exactly how any of those
operate. I tried what I thought would work and was unsuccessful. My
backup plan until I can spend more time on the issue is to put in the
cues as normal input, and comment the cues out when I want to produce a
score. That was working smoothly and well until I had a part that began
with a cue in a different clef from the part instrument (cue from a
violin part, into the viola part). When I tried listing the key, the
clef, and the time, and then putting in the cue, the staff took the cue
clef as the initial clef. I have been able to get around that by using a
minimal skip, but it leaves a large amount of space between time
signature and the cue (treble) clef. Please see the following snippet.
Can anyone suggest a fix?

Thanks for your time and attention,

Ralph
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%% begin snippet

\version 2.10.16
\include english.ly

Test = {
\key d \minor
\clef alto
\time 2/2

\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-align-symbol =
#'time-signature
\once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'padding = #2.0
\mark \markup {\teeny \note #4 #1 \teeny { = 92 - 100} }
\set Score.skipBars = ##f
s1*1/10
%Cue
%  cue start

{
R1*9/10
R1*3
} \\
{
\set fontSize = #-2
\clef treble
\once \override TextScript #'padding = #1.5
s2*1/5
d'2*4/5_Vln a' |
f'2 d' |
cs'2 d'4 e' |
f'2~ f'8 g' f' e' |
\clef alto
}

% - cue end
\set Score.skipBars = ##t
R1*7
\set Score.skipBars = ##f
R1
a2\mf d'2 |
}

\score {
\Test
}

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RE: Crescendo past the barline

[Palmer, Ralph]

Thanks, Graham -

I feel only partly stupid : I don't normally think hairpin, but
crescendo and/or decrescendo. I looked up crescendo in the
documentation, and was directed close to, but not at, the relevant text.


-Original Message-
From: Graham Percival [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:39 PM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Crescendo past the barline

Palmer, Ralph wrote:
 The default for a hairpin set to end at the first note after a bar 
 line is to end the hairpin at the barline. I'd like the hairpin to 
 extend past the barline, to the note where the \! is. I've been able

 to change this by using a skip note, but is there a more direct way to

 get the behavior I'd like?
 
 I did check the LSR and the e-mail archives.

Try checking the documentation, third paragraph of the relevant section.

Cheers,
- Graham


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Crescendo past the barline

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running LilyPond 2.10.16 under WinXP SP2.

The default for a hairpin set to end at the first note after a bar line
is to end the hairpin at the barline. I'd like the hairpin to extend
past the barline, to the note where the \! is. I've been able to
change this by using a skip note, but is there a more direct way to get
the behavior I'd like?

I did check the LSR and the e-mail archives.

Thanks for your time and help,

Ralph
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Phone: 603-358-2230
Cell: 603-209-2903
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Tempo mark (MM) range

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I keep thinking I can survive on my own, but I keep having to come back
to you generous folks.

I'm running LilyPond 2.10.16 on Windows XP Pro SP2, and using ConTEXT as
my editor.

I'm trying to figure out how to specify a range of tempi, using
something that looks like the normal MM or tempo mark. Specifically, I'm
trying to get a quarter note, followed by an equals sign (=), followed
by a range (92-100). I've tried the manual, the examples, the Tips and
Tricks, the Regression Tests, and the list archives. The following is
the closest I could come, but it's not working. 

%%% begin snippet %%


\version 2.10.16
\include english.ly

Test = {
\key d \minor
\time 2/2
%   \tempo 4=92


c''1^\markup {\small \note #4 #1 { = 92 - 100} }

}

\score {
\Test
}

%% end snippet 

If I get rid of the markup, and uncomment the \tempo section, it works.
When I run it as is, the log reads:

# -*-compilation-*-
Changing working directory to `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My
Documents/Ralph/Sheet Music/LilyPond/Classical/Bach/Art of the
Fugue/C_I'
Processing `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Classical/Bach/Art of the Fugue/C_I/Test.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music... [1]
Preprocessing graphical objects...

I would appreciate any help I can get. I'm also thinking that some of my
problems may be shared by others, and maybe I should submit some to Tips
and Tricks (was that formerly the Snippet Repository?).

Thanks for your time and attention,

Ralph
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Phone: 603-358-2230
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markup in header

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running:
LilyPond 2.10.16
Windows XP Pro 2002 SP2
ConTEXT 0.98.5 with LilyPond Highlighter

I'm trying to get é into Séan in the title and composer headers. I haven't 
been successful. I've looked in the manual and in the list archives, but can't 
find what I need. ConTEXT will save to DOS, but not to UTF-8, that I can find. 
I did find the character code : #233, and that will produce the correct 
character when I use it with \markup and \char in the header, but the program 
leaves a space before and after the é. [Aside : I'm not using JEdit because 
it takes so long to load, and I've gotten used to ConTEXT.] The following 
snippet shows the behavior.

% Begin Snippet %

\version 2.10.16
\include english.ly

\header {
title = Sean's Jig
composer = \markup {S\char #233 an}
}
\layout {
\context {
\Score
\remove Bar_number_engraver
}
}
\paper {
indent = 0.0\cm
}

SeansJig = {
   \clef treble
\key a \dorian
\time 6/8


   \repeat volta 2 {
   \partial 8*1 b'8 |
   c''4.^Am b'^G |
a'8^Am g' e' d' b g |
a4 e'8 e' d' b |
d'^G e' g' a' g' e' |
\break
c''4.^Am b'16^G c'' d''8 b' |
a'^Am g' e' d' b g |
a4 e'8 e' d' b |
d'^G b g a4^Am |
}


}

\score {
   \SeansJig
   }

%% End Snippet %

I've also tried :
composer = \markup {S \char #233 an}
and
composer = \markup {S\char #233 an}
but the result is identical;
composer = \markup {S \char #233 an}
produces
S \char #233 an
in the .pdf.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Ralph
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Phone: 603-358-2230
Cell: 603-209-2903
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Recall: Voice / slur problem

[Palmer, Ralph]

Palmer, Ralph would like to recall the message, Voice / slur problem.


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RE: Convert-ly problem

[Palmer, Ralph]

Duh. I feel stupid, but only slightly. I restarted, and convert-ly works
as it's supposed to. (I do not usually shut down my computer unless
prompted, even at night, because I have to access it from home as part
of my job duties.) Thanks, Mats, and I apologize for taking everyone's
time; I'm glad you mentioned logging off after installation.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Convert-ly problem

I hope you have logged off and on again since you installed LilyPond.
Start a command prompt, enter the command set PATH and send me a copy of
the result. (You can copy and paste from the command prompt, if you
first right-click on the blue border at the top of the window, select
Properties, mark QuickEdit Mode and press OK. Then, you can select
any text in the window and press Enter to copy it.)

   /Mats

Palmer, Ralph wrote:
 Thanks, Mats.

 I still have some .ly files in 2.8 which I need to convert, so it is 
 pertinent. I was able to change directory to a folder containing a .ly

 file, but convert-ly is still not working. Windows doesn't seem to 
 recognized convert-ly as a program; and, in fact, it has a .py (is 
 that
 python?) extension. I'm attaching .pdf screen shots of the command 
 prompt session and of my LilyPond\...\usr\bin  directory. Do I need to

 modify or run convert-ly.py somehow to create an executable? Or am I 
 missing something relating to python? LilyPond\...\usr\lib\python2.4 
 does exist.

 Thank you to you and everyone involved in helping create and maintain 
 LilyPond and the LP community.

 Ralph
 +
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 Energy/Administrative Coordinator
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 Keene, NH 03435-2502
 Phone: 603-358-2230
 Cell: 603-209-2903
 Fax: 603-358-2456
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 -Original Message-
 From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:58 AM
 To: Palmer, Ralph
 Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: Convert-ly problem

 The short answer is that there haven't been any syntax changes between

 2.10.0 and 2.10.7, so there's no need to run convert-ly.

 Anyway, the procedure is:
 - Start a command prompt: Start Menu - Programs - Accessories - 
 Command Prompt
 - Change working directory to the folder where you have your .ly
files.
   For example, if you have them in the folder lily in My 
 Documents, do cd My Documents\lily
   (Note that you can save key strokes by typing in cd My
   and then press TAB to expand that to My Documents)
 - Run the command itself:
 convert-ly -e myfile.ly

/Mats

 Palmer, Ralph wrote:
   
 Greetings -

 I guess I have a couple of questions and maybe a problem.

 I'm running Windows XP Pro V.2002 SP2.

 I downloaded lilypond-2.10.6-1.mingw.exe. I tried to run it and got

 a message saying I needed to uninstall the old version. I uninstalled

 the old version (2.10.0), rebooted, and ran 
 lilypond-2.10.6-1.mingw.exe without any problem. I was trying to 
 run
 

   
 convert-ly on my old files (question #1 : was that necessary when 
 moving to a new release but same version, i.e., 2.10.0 -- 2.10.6?) 
 but I couldn't get it to work - at all.

 So, question #2 : has anyone successfully run convert-ly on a WinXP 
 Pro box? If so, would you be willing to share the process? I tried 
 Open with
   
 
 convert-ly ; I tried using the command prompt and 1) navigating to 
 the
 
   
 convert-ly directory and running it from there, with no path and with

 a path, and 2) navigating to my *.ly folder and running convert-ly 
 from there. I was able to get convert-ly to open from the C:\Program 
 Files\LilyPond\usr\bin folder, but I couldn't get it to recognize a 
 file name.

 And now, the problem : while I was working on this, I took a look at 
 my executables, and I've got a lilypond-windows.exe as well as a 
 lilypond.exe. I've always used the lilypond.exe to run LilyPond 
 against a .ly file, and I'm assuming that's what I should be using
 
 now.
   
 When I checked the file properties of both lilypond-windows.exe and 
 lilypond.exe, I found the file version to be 2.10.0.1 in both
cases.
 

   
 I don't know if 2.10.6 was installed, because I ran lilypond.exe 
 against danse macabre.ly (which I had tried (unsuccessfully) to 
 update with convert-ly.py), and got an error in the log :
 Parsing...
 error: Incorrect lilypond version: 2.6.0 (2.7.38, 2.8.4)
 error: Consider updating the input with the convert-ly script
 From this, it looks like I'm not running 2.10.6. Does this seem
 
 familiar
   
 to anyone, and does anyone have a suggestion for checking more 
 dependably for the version number?

 Thanks,

 Ralph
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 Energy/Administrative Coordinator
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 Keene, NH 03435-2502
 Phone: 603-358-2230
 Cell: 603-209-2903
 Fax: 603-358-2456
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Convert-ly problem

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I guess I have a couple of questions and maybe a problem.

I'm running Windows XP Pro V.2002 SP2.

I downloaded lilypond-2.10.6-1.mingw.exe. I tried to run it and got a
message saying I needed to uninstall the old version. I uninstalled the
old version (2.10.0), rebooted, and ran lilypond-2.10.6-1.mingw.exe
without any problem. I was trying to run convert-ly on my old files 
(question #1 : was that necessary when moving to a new release but same
version, i.e., 2.10.0 -- 2.10.6?)
but I couldn't get it to work - at all.

So, question #2 : has anyone successfully run convert-ly on a WinXP Pro
box? If so, would you be willing to share the process? I tried Open with
 convert-ly ; I tried using the command prompt and 1) navigating to the
convert-ly directory and running it from there, with no path and with a
path, and 2) navigating to my *.ly folder and running convert-ly from
there. I was able to get convert-ly to open from the C:\Program
Files\LilyPond\usr\bin folder, but I couldn't get it to recognize a file
name.

And now, the problem : while I was working on this, I took a look at my
executables, and I've got a lilypond-windows.exe as well as a
lilypond.exe. I've always used the lilypond.exe to run LilyPond
against a .ly file, and I'm assuming that's what I should be using now.
When I checked the file properties of both lilypond-windows.exe and
lilypond.exe, I found the file version to be 2.10.0.1 in both cases. I
don't know if 2.10.6 was installed, because I ran lilypond.exe against
danse macabre.ly (which I had tried (unsuccessfully) to update with
convert-ly.py), and got an error in the log :
Parsing...
error: Incorrect lilypond version: 2.6.0 (2.7.38, 2.8.4)
error: Consider updating the input with the convert-ly script
From this, it looks like I'm not running 2.10.6. Does this seem familiar
to anyone, and does anyone have a suggestion for checking more
dependably for the version number?

Thanks,

Ralph
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Keene, NH 03435-2502
Phone: 603-358-2230
Cell: 603-209-2903
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RE: \parallelMusic and PianoStaff, again

[Palmer, Ralph]

Beautiful! Thanks, Mats.

I modified the snippet to make it a little more readable in the score.

Would this be a candidate for the LSR? If so, I'll go ahead and submit
it. Is there any standard format?

Thanks again,

Ralph
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Cell: 603-209-2903
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 modified snippet:

\version 2.10.0
\include english.ly

Music = {
   \key c \major

   \time 4/4
\parallelMusic #'(voiceA voiceB voiceC voiceD) { 
% Bar 1
r8g'16[ c''] e''[ g' c'' e''] r8g'16[ c''] e''[ g' c''
e''] |
c'2   c'2
|
r8a16[ d'] f'[ a d' f']   r8a16[ d'] f'[ a d' f']
|
c2c2
|

% Bar 2
a'8 b' c'' d''e'' f''g'' a''
|
d'4  d'd'd'
|
c16 d e fd e f g   e f g a   f g a b
|
a,4  a,4   a,4   a,4
|
% Bar 3 ...
}
}

\score {
  \new PianoStaff

\Music
\new Staff  
 \voiceA \\ 
 \voiceB 
  
\new Staff {
  \clef bass
 
  \voiceC \\ 
  \voiceD 
  
}

}

%%% end modified snippet 

-Original Message-
From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:15 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: \parallelMusic and PianoStaff, again

Just keep repeating bar after bar, without any extra curly braces.
Also, I had forgot to include \voiceOne / \voiceTwo and so on (below, I
did this implicitly using the {...} \\ {...}  feature).
Here comes a modified version of your example.

\version 2.10.0
\include english.ly

Music = {
   \key c \major

   \time 4/4
\parallelMusic #'(voiceA voiceB voiceC voiceD) { % Bar 1
r8g'16[ c''] e''[ g' c'' e''] r8g'16[ c''] e''[ g' c''
e''] |
c'2   c'2 |
r8a16[ d'] f'[ a d' f'] r8a16[ d'] f'[ a d' f'] |
c2c2 |

% Bar 2
a'8 b' c'' d''e'' f''g'' a''' |
d'4  d'd'd' |
c'16 d' e' f'd' e' f' g'   e' f' g' a'   f' g' a' b'
|
a4   a4a4a4 |
% Bar 3 ...
}
}

\score {
  \new PianoStaff
\Music
\new Staff  \voiceA \\ \voiceB 
\new Staff {
  \clef bass
   \voiceC \\ \voiceD 
}
  
}

   /Mats

Palmer, Ralph wrote:
 Hi -

 I'm running LilyPond 2.10.0 under Windows XP Pro SP2.

 With Mats' help, I've come closer, but still no joy.

 To clarify, I'm looking for a way to combine \parallelMusic with 
 PianoStaff, so that I get a way to write polyphony on a piano staff, 
 and write the polyphony one measure at a time. The reason for writing 
 all four parts one measure at a time is that doing so makes it a lot 
 easier (I think) to spot problems and make corrections. Otherwise, 
 after ten page of score, I think it would get cumbersome to write and 
 check the results.

 Here's what I've got so far. I added another measure, to see if I 
 could figure out how \parallelMusic behaves.

 Ralph

 %%begin snippet

 \version 2.10.0
 \include english.ly

 Music = {
\key c \major

\time 4/4
 \parallelMusic #'(voiceA voiceB voiceC voiceD) {
 {r8g'16[ c''] e''[ g' c'' e''] r8g'16[ c''] e''[ g'
c''
 e''] |
 c'2   c'2
 |
 r8a16[ d'] f'[ a d' f'] r8a16[ d'] f'[ a d' f']
 |
 c2   c2
 | 
 }
 {a'8 b' c'' d''e'' f''g'' a'''
 |
 d'4  d'd'd'
 |
 c'16 d' e' f'd' e' f' g'   e' f' g' a'   f' g' a'
b'
 |
 a4   a4a4a4
 |
 }
 }
 }

 \score {
  \new PianoStaff
   \new Staff 
 \Music
 \new Voice \voiceA
 %{  also tried
\new Voice \voiceOne \voiceA
   with \voiceTwo, voiceThree, and voiceFour
   added in the comparable places for \voiceB through 
 \voiceD %}
 \new Voice \voiceB
   
   \new Staff 
 \clef bass
 \new Voice \voiceC
 \new Voice \voiceD
   
 
   }

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\parallelMusic and PianoStaff, again

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi -

I'm running LilyPond 2.10.0 under Windows XP Pro SP2.

With Mats' help, I've come closer, but still no joy.

To clarify, I'm looking for a way to combine \parallelMusic with
PianoStaff, so that I get a way to write polyphony on a piano staff, and
write the polyphony one measure at a time. The reason for writing all
four parts one measure at a time is that doing so makes it a lot easier
(I think) to spot problems and make corrections. Otherwise, after ten
page of score, I think it would get cumbersome to write and check the
results.

Here's what I've got so far. I added another measure, to see if I could
figure out how \parallelMusic behaves.

Ralph

%%begin snippet

\version 2.10.0
\include english.ly

Music = {
   \key c \major

   \time 4/4
\parallelMusic #'(voiceA voiceB voiceC voiceD) {
{r8g'16[ c''] e''[ g' c'' e''] r8g'16[ c''] e''[ g' c''
e''] |
c'2   c'2
|
r8a16[ d'] f'[ a d' f'] r8a16[ d'] f'[ a d' f']
|
c2   c2
| 
}
{a'8 b' c'' d''e'' f''g'' a'''
|
d'4  d'd'd'
|
c'16 d' e' f'd' e' f' g'   e' f' g' a'   f' g' a' b'
|
a4   a4a4a4
|
}
}
}

\score {
 \new PianoStaff
  \new Staff 
\Music
\new Voice \voiceA
%{  also tried
   \new Voice \voiceOne \voiceA
  with \voiceTwo, voiceThree, and voiceFour
  added in the comparable places for \voiceB through
\voiceD
%}
\new Voice \voiceB
  
  \new Staff 
\clef bass
\new Voice \voiceC
\new Voice \voiceD
  

  }

%%end snippet


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\parallelMusic and PianoStaff

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running LilyPond 2.10.0 under Windows XP Pro SP2.

I'm struggling with using \parallelMusic with PianoStaff. (Is there a
functional difference between pianoStaff and PianoStaff? Is one
obsolete?)

In the following snippet, I'm trying to get : four voices in one measure
on two staves (in a piano staff). I've tried a variety of
configurations, none of which have worked. Any suggestions?

+begin snippet 


\version 2.10.0
\include english.ly

Music = {
   \key c \major

   \time 4/4
\parallelMusic #'(voiceA voiceB voiceC voiceD) {
r8g'16[ c''] e''[ g' c'' e''] r8g'16[ c''] e''[ g' c''
e''] |
c'2   c'2
|
r8a16[ d'] f'[ a d' f'] r8a16[ d'] f'[ a d' f']
|
c2   c2
|
}
 \new PianoStaff
  {\new Voice \voiceA}
  {\new Voice \voiceB}
  {\new Voice \voiceC}
  {\new Voice \voiceD}

}


\score {
  \Music
  }

end snippet+++

Thank you for your time and help,

Ralph
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Complex piano score

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

This is not about a bug or a specific problem; rather, it's a request
for advice.

I'm running LilyPond 2.10 under WinXP SP2.

I'm transcribing a complex piano score with a lot of markup and one to
four voices. Each voice is silent for up to many measures at times. I
would like to be able to check the score measure by measure, as I
transcribe it.

It looks like there are multiple strategies for producing such a score.
Do any of you have a favorite strategy you'd be willing to share? I've
looked at the LilyPond examples and the User Manual, but nothing
appropriate jumps out at me.

Thanks for your time and attention,

Ralph
+
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Energy/Administrative Coordinator
Keene State College
Keene, NH 03435-2502
Phone: 603-358-2230
Cell: 603-209-2903
Fax: 603-358-2456
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TrillSpanner problem in 2.10

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running LilyPond 2.10.0.1, according to the Properties of
lilypond.exe, under Windows XP Pro V2002, SP2.

When I upgraded from 2.8.4.1, and ran convert.ly on my files, I got an
error on the following:

 Begin snippet

%\version 2.8.4.1
\version 2.10.0
\include english.ly

Music = {
   \clef treble
   \key c \major

 \time 4/4
 \fatText
 c'4 r\fermata
 \once \override TrillSpanner #'edge-text = #(cons trillflat 
)
 \afterGrace af2_\markup \pad-markup #1.0 \italic {a tempo}

 \startTrillSpan { g16[ af] \stopTrillSpan }
 \break}

\score {
  \Music
  }

 End snippet

The log contains the following:

# -*-compilation-*-
Changing working directory to `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My
Documents/Ralph/Sheet Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog'
Processing `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog/section test.ly'
Parsing...
C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog/section test.ly:13:53: error:
GUILE signaled an error for the expression beginning here
 \once \override TrillSpanner #'edge-text = #
 (cons trillflat 
) C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog/section test.ly:13:54: error:
syntax error, unexpected STRING
 \once \override TrillSpanner #'edge-text = #(
  cons trillflat 
) C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog/section test.ly:19:7: error:
errors found, ignoring music expression
\score 
   { 

I don't understand why (what I understand to be) Scheme code would not
carry over in the upgrade. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I
confess I do not understand Scheme coding very well.

Thank you for your time and help,

Ralph
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RE: Tenuto w/ staccato

[Palmer, Ralph]

Yes. Thank you, Yota Moteuchi. I'm embarrassed that I 
did not recognize the portato mark. I mis-remembered that "-_" was the symbol 
for a tenuto mark.

Ralph


From: yota moteuchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:28 AMTo: Palmer, 
RalphSubject: Re: Tenuto w/ staccato
do you mean a-- instead of a-_http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.8/Documentation/user/lilypond/Articulations.html#Articulations 

On 10/17/06, Palmer, 
Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Greetings 
  -I'm running Lilypond 2.8.4.1 on WinXP 
  Pro SP2.In the following snippet, I'm getting a staccato mark that I 
  don't want,and that seems extraneous. Is this a bug? Is there a way to 
  keep the tenuto, without keeping the staccato 
  mark?snippet:%\version "2.8.4.1"\include "english.ly"Music = 
  {\clef 
  treble\key c 
  \major\time 
  3/4 gs''8\[ 
  d''-_(] d'')\![ a'-_(] a')[ fs'] |}\score 
  { 
  \Music 
  } Thank you for your time and 
  attention,Ralph+Ralph 
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Tenuto w/ staccato

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running Lilypond 2.8.4.1 on WinXP Pro SP2.

In the following snippet, I'm getting a staccato mark that I don't want,
and that seems extraneous. Is this a bug? Is there a way to keep the
tenuto, without keeping the staccato mark?

snippet:
%

\version 2.8.4.1
\include english.ly

Music = {
\clef treble
\key c \major
\time 3/4

 gs''8\[ d''-_(] d'')\![ a'-_(] a')[ fs'] |
}

\score {
   \Music
   }



Thank you for your time and attention,

Ralph
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Vertical adjustment of \markup

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings,

I'm running Lilypond 2.8.4.1 on WinXP SP2.

In the following snippet, I'd like to move rit upward. In the score
the snippet comes from, the rit almost collides with a c''' notehead.
I've tried \pad-markup, but Lilypond choked - tried to compile forever.
I suspect I'm formating the section incorrectly, but I can't figure out
the correct format.

snippet:


\version 2.8.4.1
\include english.ly

Music = {
\clef treble
\key c \major
\time 3/4

 \override TextSpanner #'edge-text = #(cons (markup #:italic
rit ) )
 d''16\startTextSpan c''' e'' a'' c''' e'' |
 b''16 ds'' fs'' b'' f'' b''\stopTextSpan
}

\score {
   \Music
   }



Thanks again for your help,

Ralph
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RE: Vertical adjustment of \markup

[Palmer, Ralph]

Thanks, Trevor. 

Will \override (as opposed to \once \override) give all subsequent
TextSpanner entries the same staff-padding? or the same edge-text
setting, for that matter?

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Trevor Daniels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:06 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph; lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Vertical adjustment of \markup


Hi Ralph

This should do what you want:

Insert
  \override TextSpanner #'staff-padding = #9

Change the '9' to give the height you want

Trevor

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Of Palmer, Ralph
 Sent: 17 October 2006 12:40
 To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Subject: Vertical adjustment of \markup
 
 
 Greetings,
 
 I'm running Lilypond 2.8.4.1 on WinXP SP2.
 
 In the following snippet, I'd like to move rit upward. In the score 
 the snippet comes from, the rit almost collides with a c'''
notehead.
 I've tried \pad-markup, but Lilypond choked - tried to compile
forever.
 I suspect I'm formating the section incorrectly, but I can't figure 
 out the correct format.
 
 snippet:
 
 
 \version 2.8.4.1
 \include english.ly
 
 Music = {
   \clef treble
   \key c \major
 \time 3/4
 
  \override TextSpanner #'edge-text = #(cons (markup #:italic 
 rit ) )
  d''16\startTextSpan c''' e'' a'' c''' e'' |
  b''16 ds'' fs'' b'' f'' b''\stopTextSpan }
 
 \score {
\Music
}
 
 
 
 Thanks again for your help,
 
 Ralph
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RE: Literature?

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings, Stewart -

I have a book on notation which covers a lot of ground, and which I can
highly recommend:

Music notation, a manual of modern practice.
Read, Gardner.
Boston, Crescendo Publishers, 1972.
ISBN : 087597080X.

The book is the most thorough I've seen, goes deeply into various
aspects of notation, and is quite readable. I used to do a lot of hand
notating, and I found the book valuable. LilyPond does a good job of
documenting the process of notation, but I still refer back to Read
frequently, usually either to clarify something in LilyPond or to
clarify something I come across in music I'm currently playing. I still
enjoy notating by hand, and regard it as a valuable skill for a
musician.

Ralph
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Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 19:17:27 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Literature?
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know of any good books on the subject of music engraving? A
book containing rules/tips/do/don'ts would be quite a useful investment
I think.

Thanks,
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M.M.

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

Is there any simple way to indicate approximate with the M.M. (Maelzel
or metronome Mark)? For example, using a tilde (~) instead of an equal
sign (=), or inserting c. (circa) before the per-minute number?

Thanks for your help, and for all your work on LilyPond. I'm starting to
get the hang of some of it, now. However, I still have not tried to
combine instruments into full scores or to do a piano score.

Ralph
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RE: M.M.

[Palmer, Ralph]

Thanks, Mats. I'll give it a try.

I confess that I still don't clearly understand the differences or
ramifications of use between mark, markup and text markup. Or to
what RehearsalMark refers. I would have expected RehearsalMark to
refer to a letter or number, but not something like D.S. al Fine. I need
to go back to the manual.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:49 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: M.M.

You could always typeset the metronome mark manually using text markup
(see the sections on Text Markup and Overview of Markup Commands in the
manual).

Since the function that draws the default layout is implemented in the
Scheme programming language, it's actually also fairly simple to modify
it in your own .ly file, just include something like

#(define-public (my-format-metronome-markup dur count context)
  (let* ((note-mark (make-smaller-markup
 (make-note-by-number-markup (ly:duration-log dur)
 (ly:duration-dot-count
dur)
 1
(make-line-markup
 (list
  (make-general-align-markup Y DOWN note-mark)
  (make-simple-markup  =)
  (make-simple-markup (number-string count))

\layout{
  \context {
\Score
metronomeMarkFormatter = #my-format-metronome-markup
  }
}

at the top of your file and replace the = with whatever symbol or text
you wish (if you want a real approximation sign, you may have to look it
up using some character map program and paste it into the file.
In that case, don't forget to save the file in UTF8 format).

   /Mats

Palmer, Ralph wrote:
 Greetings -

 Is there any simple way to indicate approximate with the M.M. 
 (Maelzel or metronome Mark)? For example, using a tilde (~) instead of

 an equal sign (=), or inserting c. (circa) before the per-minute
number?

 Thanks for your help, and for all your work on LilyPond. I'm starting 
 to get the hang of some of it, now. However, I still have not tried to

 combine instruments into full scores or to do a piano score.

 Ralph
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Tremolo controls

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

In the following construction, I can't figure out what controls what.
Can someone please try to explain to me how the calculations are made?
The construction, as written, (in 4/4 time) produces a tremolo between
c-sharp and e, with the c-sharp and e appearing as half-notes. It seems
the 32 produces the 3 beams, but how does the 8 produce the
appearance of a half-note? Or am I looking at it the wrong way?

\repeat tremolo 8 { cs''32( e''32) }

Thank you for any help you can give me,

Ralph
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RE: Tremolo again, but different

[Palmer, Ralph]

Oops. Thank you, Mats. I often find it hard to find my own mistakes.

Ralph 

-Original Message-
From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:34 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Tremolo again, but different

This time, I'm afraid it's your own fault. Since you didn't specify any
duration on the first note of the triplet, it inherits the duration from
the previous note, i.e. you get a 32nd note. Moving the 8 to the first
note of the triplet fixes it:

  \repeat tremolo 4 {gis32( b32) } \repeat tremolo 4 { g32(
b32)\ } \times 2/3 {a'8[ cis''\! f'']} \times 2/3 { b'[ dis g] } |


   /Mats

Palmer, Ralph wrote:

Hi -

I'm running LilyPond 2.8.4.1 under Windows XP SP2.

I asked the list recently about a problem with beaming on an 
acciaccatura following a tremolo. Apparently that's a bug that's been 
fixed in 2.9.

Now I have a problem with a note following another set of tremolos. In 
my music, I have a similar set of tremolos earlier, with no problem. 
The only structural difference I can see is that the problem tremolos 
are followed by a tuplet. The problem is two-fold: 1) how can I get the

first note in the first triplet to print correctly; and 2) whether or 
not I can solve #1, how can I get the length of the measure correct? Is

this a known bug? Here is the problem section, and the log file:

Snippet
%

\version 2.8.4.1
Music = {
  \clef treble
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4

  \repeat tremolo 4 {gis32( b32) } \repeat tremolo 4 { g32( 
b32)\ } \times 2/3 {a'[ cis''8\! f'']} \times 2/3 { b'[ dis g] } |
  des'''16( c''') aes'' f'' des''( c'') aes' f' c'8 r aes'32( g'
ges' f' e' ees' d' des' \bar ||
  d'4-) r dis'''2:8\ff- |

}

\score {
   \Music
   }

%%%
End of Snippet

Log file:
%%

# -*-compilation-*-
Changing working directory to `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My 
Documents/Ralph/Sheet Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog'
Processing `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet 
Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog/section test.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music... 
C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet 
Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog/section test.ly:7:134: warning:
barcheck failed at: 15/16
  \repeat tremolo 4 {gis32( b32) } \repeat tremolo 4 { g32( 
b32)\ } \times 2/3 {a'[ cis''8\! f'']} \times 2/3 { b'[ dis g] }
 
|
[3]
Preprocessing graphical objects... 
Calculating line breaks... [3][4]
Calculating page breaks...
Layout output to `section test.ps'...
Converting to `section test.pdf'...

%%
End of log file.

Thank you for your time and attention,

Ralph
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Tremolo again, but different

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi -

I'm running LilyPond 2.8.4.1 under Windows XP SP2.

I asked the list recently about a problem with beaming on an
acciaccatura following a tremolo. Apparently that's a bug that's been
fixed in 2.9.

Now I have a problem with a note following another set of tremolos. In
my music, I have a similar set of tremolos earlier, with no problem. The
only structural difference I can see is that the problem tremolos are
followed by a tuplet. The problem is two-fold: 1) how can I get the
first note in the first triplet to print correctly; and 2) whether or
not I can solve #1, how can I get the length of the measure correct? Is
this a known bug? Here is the problem section, and the log file:

Snippet
%

\version 2.8.4.1
Music = {
  \clef treble
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4

  \repeat tremolo 4 {gis32( b32) } \repeat tremolo 4 { g32(
b32)\ } \times 2/3 {a'[ cis''8\! f'']} \times 2/3 { b'[ dis g] } |
  des'''16( c''') aes'' f'' des''( c'') aes' f' c'8 r aes'32( g'
ges' f' e' ees' d' des' \bar ||
  d'4-) r dis'''2:8\ff- |

}

\score {
   \Music
   }

%%%
End of Snippet

Log file:
%%

# -*-compilation-*-
Changing working directory to `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My
Documents/Ralph/Sheet Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog'
Processing `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog/section test.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music... 
C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog/section test.ly:7:134: warning:
barcheck failed at: 15/16
  \repeat tremolo 4 {gis32( b32) } \repeat tremolo 4 { g32(
b32)\ } \times 2/3 {a'[ cis''8\! f'']} \times 2/3 { b'[ dis g] } 
 
|
[3]
Preprocessing graphical objects... 
Calculating line breaks... [3][4]
Calculating page breaks...
Layout output to `section test.ps'...
Converting to `section test.pdf'...

%%
End of log file.

Thank you for your time and attention,

Ralph
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Acciaccatura beaming

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi - 

I'm running 2.8.4.1 under Windows XP SP 2.

I'm having trouble getting the beaming to work correctly on an
acciaccatura. I have a preceding measure with tremolos, then a time
change. In the log, I get the following message:

Interpreting music... 
programming error: Stem already has beam
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: Stem already has beam
continuing, cross fingers

If I run the measure with the acciaccatura without the preceding
measure, it looks correct. I've tried using appoggiatura, as well, with
the same results. Here are two snippets, one with the problem, and one
without either the preceding measure or the problem:

Snippet bad:
%%
\version 2.8.4.1
Music = {
  \clef treble
  \key c \major
  \time 3/4

 \repeat tremolo 4 { aes32( ^\markup \column {{ di nuovo }
{misterioso} } c'32) } \repeat tremolo 4 { b32( dis'32) } \repeat
tremolo 4 { bes32( dis'32) } \breathe |

 \time 2/4
 \acciaccatura { cis''16[ dis''] } eis''16 gis'' eis'' dis''~
dis'' d'' cis''!8 \breathe |


}

\score {
   \Music
   }
%%

Snippet good:
%%%
\version 2.8.4.1
Music = {
  \clef treble
  \key c \major
  \time 2/4

 \acciaccatura { cis''16[ dis''] } eis''16 gis'' eis'' dis''~
dis'' d'' cis''!8 \breathe |


}

\score {
   \Music
   }


Can anyone tell what's happening, and/or how I can get the desired
output?

Thanks again for all the help this list has been,

Ralph
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LilyPond hangs at parsing

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi -

I'm running LilyPond 2.8.4.1 under Window XP SP2.

I recently switched from jEdit to ConTEXT (with the new LilyPond
highlighter). I had no problem for a few days; then suddenly yesterday
LilyPond started to hang. I can't get my files to complete. The only
global change I can remember making yesterday was to convert text from
DOS to Unicode. In order to find the source of the problem, I started
commenting out my music. I got all the way back to the first measure,
with no success. So, I tried a new file:

Snippet


\version 2.8.4.1
Music = {
  \clef treble
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4
  \tempo 4=112
  
a'4 b'4 c'4 d'4

}

\score {
   \Music
   }

%%%
End Snippet

I typed all of it fresh - no copy and paste. When I run it, I get the
same message in the log, with no .ps or .pdf produced. Here's the log:

# -*-compilation-*-
Changing working directory to `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My
Documents/Ralph/Sheet Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog'
Processing `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog/section test.ly'
Parsing...

I had an old file that was not converted to Unicode, and it compiled
correctly. Does this look familiar to anyone? I hope it doesn't mean I
have to retype all my music.

Thanks for your help,

Ralph
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RE: LilyPond hangs at parsing

[Palmer, Ralph]

 Bingo! (I hope) - When I made the DOS to Unicode change, I also added a
version line to a definitions file. Stripping that line seems to have
brought back my file. I also opened it and my Section test.ly in
jEdit, made a change in each, and saved them. Now I seem to be able to
run each of them.

Does that make sense to anyone? Is there something going on here that I
don't understand?

Ralph

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From: Palmer, Ralph 
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:18 AM
To: 'Lily-Pond List (lilypond-user@gnu.org)'
Subject: LilyPond hangs at parsing

Hi -

I'm running LilyPond 2.8.4.1 under Window XP SP2.

I recently switched from jEdit to ConTEXT (with the new LilyPond
highlighter). I had no problem for a few days; then suddenly yesterday
LilyPond started to hang. I can't get my files to complete. The only
global change I can remember making yesterday was to convert text from
DOS to Unicode. In order to find the source of the problem, I started
commenting out my music. I got all the way back to the first measure,
with no success. So, I tried a new file:

Snippet


\version 2.8.4.1
Music = {
  \clef treble
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4
  \tempo 4=112
  
a'4 b'4 c'4 d'4

}

\score {
   \Music
   }

%%%
End Snippet

I typed all of it fresh - no copy and paste. When I run it, I get the
same message in the log, with no .ps or .pdf produced. Here's the log:

# -*-compilation-*-
Changing working directory to `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My
Documents/Ralph/Sheet Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog'
Processing `C:/Documents and Settings/rpalmer/My Documents/Ralph/Sheet
Music/LilyPond/Classical/Deak/Lad a dog/section test.ly'
Parsing...

I had an old file that was not converted to Unicode, and it compiled
correctly. Does this look familiar to anyone? I hope it doesn't mean I
have to retype all my music.

Thanks for your help,

Ralph
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RE: Slide, or glissando with no start point

[Palmer, Ralph]

 Thanks, Wol -

It took a few tries, but it came out okay. I got fooled by the fact that
at *1/10, nothing showed up. Also, 
unHideNotes \glissando
produces a syntax error. Here's what I ended up with:

\hideNotes g''2*3/10 \glissando \unHideNotes c'''2*7/10

Thanks again,

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Anthony Youngman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:43 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Subject: RE: Slide, or glissando with no start point 

Exactly the problem I've needed to solve. Use \hideNote \unHideNote.
(I'm hoping this will be solved along with the doit/fall stuff - might
need a few people to chip in a bit more).

\hideNote d'2*1/10 \unHideNote \gliss f2*9/10

will give a slide down from d to f at the top of the bass clef. It's a
hidden tenth of a mimim, sliding down to a printed nine-tenths of a
minim, so lilypond correctly prints the minim (you might want to play
with the fractions to get it how you want).

Cheers,
Wol

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Subject: Slide, or glissando with no start point 

Hi -

Running LilyPond 2.8.4.1 under Windows XP SP2.

I'd like to notate a slide up to a note. The time, in the music, would
come out of the note following the slide notation. For those familiar
with ABC notation, this would be similar to prefixing the note with a
J in .abc. In this particular piece of music, the previous note is
higher than the one being slid to. The only workaround I can figure out
would be one involving \oneVoice. Is that my only option?

I've searched the documentation, including list archives, and found a
sort of related discussion back around 2.5 or 2.6, but it was actually
about drops and raises after a note, not before, and there was no
resolution I could find.

Thanks for your help (someday I hope to be able to offer some),

Ralph
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Slide, or glissando with no start point

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi -

Running LilyPond 2.8.4.1 under Windows XP SP2.

I'd like to notate a slide up to a note. The time, in the music, would
come out of the note following the slide notation. For those familiar
with ABC notation, this would be similar to prefixing the note with a
J in .abc. In this particular piece of music, the previous note is
higher than the one being slid to. The only workaround I can figure out
would be one involving \oneVoice. Is that my only option?

I've searched the documentation, including list archives, and found a
sort of related discussion back around 2.5 or 2.6, but it was actually
about drops and raises after a note, not before, and there was no
resolution I could find.

Thanks for your help (someday I hope to be able to offer some),

Ralph
+
Ralph Palmer
Energy/Administrative Coordinator
Keene State College
Keene, NH 03435-2502
Phone: 603-358-2230
Cell: 603-209-2903
Fax: 603-358-2456
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RE: Measure problem somewhere

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi, LilyPonders -

Thanks, Kieren,  for the help and the bar check tip. I got that section
to look the way I wanted. However, I went back to the beginning and
started entering bar checks and ran into a problem.

I'm running 2.8.4.1 under Windows XP Pro, SP2, and using jEdit 4.3 pre5
with LilyPond Tool and SideKick.

jEdit seems to misinterpret some numeric characters as durations. It
seems LilyPond itself doesn't have the same difficulty. However,  when I
checked the log.ly, even though the music compiled, I got warnings,
including:


Parsing...
Interpreting music... 
warning: type check for `X-extent' failed; value `(0.0)' must be of type
`pair of numbers'
[8][16][24][32][40]
warning: type check for `X-extent' failed; value `(0.0)' must be of type
`pair of numbers'
[48]
+++

Can anyone tell me how to locate the bracketed numbers? They don't
appear to be line numbers or bar numbers. Are they, perhaps, related to
the definition of MarkL and emptyMark? :


markL = \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #-1
emptyMark = \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'X-extent = #'(0.0)


Thank you for your help, and thanks for all the work on LilyPond. I like
it more as I get more used to it. Certainly ABC is more user friendly,
but nowhere near as flexible, especially in circumstances a little off
the beaten track.

Ralph
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Keene, NH 03435-2502
Phone: 603-358-2230
Cell: 603-209-2903
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RE: Measure problem somewhere

[Palmer, Ralph]

 Thanks again, Kieren. Can you (or anyone else out there) tell me what
the bracketed numbers are? They look suspiciously like bit numbers.

warning: type check for `X-extent' failed; value `(0.0)' must be of type
`pair of numbers'
[8][16][24][32][40]

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Kieren MacMillan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:13 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Measure problem somewhere

Hi, Ralph:

 Can anyone tell me how to locate the bracketed numbers? They don't 
 appear to be line numbers or bar numbers. Are they, perhaps, related 
 to the definition of MarkL and emptyMark? :

 
 markL = \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #-1 
 emptyMark = \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'X-extent = #'(0.0) 
 

Yes -- these must be (0 . 0) not (0.0) -- note the spaces around the
period!

Best wishes,
Kieren.






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Accent vs. slur

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

(LilyPond Version 2.8.4.1
Windows XP SP2)

In the following snippet, I'd like to move the accents that are touching
the slurs upwards, without moving the slurs, in order to make the score
more clear. I figured out how to move both the accent and the slur, but
I get errors when I try to move just the slur. Can someone please help
me with the syntax or the command?

Thanks,

Ralph
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Cell: 603-209-2903
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Snippet
%%

\version 2.8.4.1
\header {

}


Music = {
\clef treble
\key c \major
\time 4/4
\once \override TextScript #'padding = #2.0
r16_\markup { \italic { a tempo } } a'[( f''8-]) r16 a''[(
d'''8-]) r16 a'[( dis''8-]) r16 a'([ dis''8-]) |
\time 3/4
e''8- r r4 r \bar ||
} 

\score {
\Music
}

%%%5


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Quote within markup

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm grateful for LilyPond, and for all the work a number of you are
putting into the program and the documentation. I can find answers to
most of my questions, although some take some experimentation. At this
stage, my biggest difficulty, I think, is understanding the syntax -
some commands come before notes, some are attached to the backs of
notes, and I'm not clear about the relationship between Scheme and
LilyPond.

My immediate problem is adding quotation marks within a markup. Nothing
I've tried works. LilyPond appears to interpret the quotation marks as a
command to keep the (my quoted) text together. My latest attempt:

e'''2 r2 ^\markup { \center-align { \line { (to aud.): A TRIO. }}}

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks for your time and attention,

Ralph


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RE: Quote within markup

[Palmer, Ralph]

 Geoff -

I tried

e'''2 r2 ^\markup { \center-align { \line { (to aud.): \A TRIO.\
}}}

and got

error: syntax error, unexpected $undefined
e'''2 r2 ^\markup { \center-align { \line { (to aud.): 
   \A
TRIO.\ }}}

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Geoff Horton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 8:23 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Quote within markup

http://www.geoffhorton.com/lilypond.html#quote

On 7/12/06, Palmer, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Greetings -

 My immediate problem is adding quotation marks within a markup. 
 Nothing I've tried works. LilyPond appears to interpret the quotation 
 marks as a command to keep the (my quoted) text together. My latest
attempt:

 e'''2 r2 ^\markup { \center-align { \line { (to aud.): A TRIO. }}}

 Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 Thanks for your time and attention,

 Ralph





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RE: Quote within markup

[Palmer, Ralph]

Bingo! Thanks, Geoff. I should have figured out that it was backwards; I
think frustration had something to do with it. 

-Original Message-
From: Geoff Horton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:42 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Quote within markup

 e'''2 r2 ^\markup { \center-align { \line { (to aud.): \A TRIO.\

Backwards :)

\A TRIO\'

ought to do it.

Geoff



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RE: Quote within markup

[Palmer, Ralph]

Hi, Daniel Johnson -

I'm using jEdit. The default font looks like Times New Roman; at least,
it's seriffed. Character encoding is set to UTF-8. I cannot find any
place to 1) set the font (typeface); 2) find an insert symbol utility;
or 3) find a place to set curly quotes.

Anyone out there using jEdit who can point me in the right direction?

Thanks,

Ralph 

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 1:00 PM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Quote within markup

Palmer, Ralph wrote:
 e'''2 r2 ^\markup { \center-align { \line { (to aud.): A TRIO. }}}
Why not use curly quotes?  They look more professional and are not
interpreted as special characters by the parser.




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Two newbie questions

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

Nice program! I was using .abc, with abcm2ps (which I still like for its
ease of use and speed of entry), but LilyPond seems even more flexible.
I think I still prefer .abc for some scores, but there are things I can
do in LilyPond that I can't do in .abc.

1) What's LSR?

2) What's the significance of an embedded space? Or, perhaps more to the
point, where are embedded spaces (or line returns, for that matter)
prohibited (or significant)? It's clear there are places where adding an
embedded space mucks things up (like between a note name and and a slur
start, for example), and places where it seems to make no difference to
LilyPond; is there a simple rule that distinguishes the two categories?

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Markup

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I've tried the User Manual, the Regression Tests, and looked in the
archives, but cannot find anything that will help me with this problem:

Running Version 2.8.4.1
I have a whole measure rest (in 2/4), with a fermata.
I'd like to include 2 pieces text above the staff, one piece of text
before the rest, one piece of text after the rest.

I've tried 

R1^\fermataMarkup \markup {  \right-align \italic {vln: Sunnybank, New
Jersey.} } \markup{  \left-align Around 1905 }

but I get errors on the first \markup and on \italic. I've tried a
variety of space or no space before \markup (I'm still not familiar
with the syntax), with the same result. I also couldn't find any
information on how to tie a markup to a bar line (would that have
worked?).

Thanks for your time and attention,

Ralph


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GSview problems

[Palmer, Ralph]

Greetings -

I'm running
2.7.35-2
on Windows XP Professional 2002, SP2
and using GSview 4.7 2005-03-26

When I try to view the PS file using GSview, I get a series of error
messages, and the file is not viewable. A bunch of the errors are
similar to

GSview 4.7 2005-03-26
Unknown in Comments section at line 7:
 %%DocumentSuppliedResources: font CenturySchL-Roma

Some of the errors relate to line length, if I understand them
correctly.

Am I missing fonts? If so, do you know where I can find them?

Am I using the wrong version of GSview?

The .pdf generates properly. Also, I use GSview to view .abc generated
.ps files, and have no problem.

Thanks for your time and help,

Ralph
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Energy/Administrative Coordinator
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Phone: 603-358-2230
Fax: 603-358-2456
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