Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
Mark, I know that.
But the snippet I just wrote has to be completed/enriched before proposing
it for the repository.
2018-03-25 19:41 GMT+02:00 Mark Stephen Mrotek :
> Paolo,
>
>
>
> The Lilypond Snipped Repository is at
>
> http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=
> ca.rr@gnu.org] *On Behalf Of *Paolo Prete
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 10:40 AM
> *To:* Thomas Morley
> *Cc:* Lilypond-User Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
>
>
>
> Hello Thomas,
>
>
>
> thanks for the tweak, which is massive.
>
> I think it would be useful to group in one snippet all these howtos and
> work-arounds for solving horizontal spacing issues.
>
> Then I created this snippet, which has to be completed and can be enriched.
>
>
>
> http://lilybin.com/p2whaw/4
>
>
>
> Any contribution is welcome...! I know that you seem to discourage manual
> placement of grobs, but it would be useful at least to group these tips in
> one
>
> coherent document.
>
> Please give me a feedback
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2018-03-25 18:22 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley :
>
>
>
> As long as you have a SkipEvent without any post-events the
> SpacingSpanner-override will affect and move the _following_
> NoteColumn.
> That looks fine, imho
>
> As soon as something is attached to a SkipEvent a related PaperColumn
> is created and can be tweaked like:
>
> {
> \overrideProperty Score.PaperColumn.X-extent #'(-20 . 10)
> s4\f
> c''2.
> }
>
> Cheers,
> Harm
>
>
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RE: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
Paolo,
The Lilypond Snipped Repository is at
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/
Mark
From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org]
On Behalf Of Paolo Prete
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 10:40 AM
To: Thomas Morley
Cc: Lilypond-User Mailing List
Subject: Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
Hello Thomas,
thanks for the tweak, which is massive.
I think it would be useful to group in one snippet all these howtos and
work-arounds for solving horizontal spacing issues.
Then I created this snippet, which has to be completed and can be enriched.
http://lilybin.com/p2whaw/4
Any contribution is welcome...! I know that you seem to discourage manual
placement of grobs, but it would be useful at least to group these tips in one
coherent document.
Please give me a feedback
2018-03-25 18:22 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley mailto:thomasmorle...@gmail.com> >:
As long as you have a SkipEvent without any post-events the
SpacingSpanner-override will affect and move the _following_
NoteColumn.
That looks fine, imho
As soon as something is attached to a SkipEvent a related PaperColumn
is created and can be tweaked like:
{
\overrideProperty Score.PaperColumn.X-extent #'(-20 . 10)
s4\f
c''2.
}
Cheers,
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Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
Hello Thomas,
thanks for the tweak, which is massive.
I think it would be useful to group in one snippet all these howtos and
work-arounds for solving horizontal spacing issues.
Then I created this snippet, which has to be completed and can be enriched.
http://lilybin.com/p2whaw/4
Any contribution is welcome...! I know that you seem to discourage manual
placement of grobs, but it would be useful at least to group these tips in
one
coherent document.
Please give me a feedback
2018-03-25 18:22 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley :
>
> As long as you have a SkipEvent without any post-events the
> SpacingSpanner-override will affect and move the _following_
> NoteColumn.
> That looks fine, imho
>
> As soon as something is attached to a SkipEvent a related PaperColumn
> is created and can be tweaked like:
>
> {
> \overrideProperty Score.PaperColumn.X-extent #'(-20 . 10)
> s4\f
> c''2.
> }
>
> Cheers,
> Harm
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Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
2018-03-25 17:17 GMT+02:00 Paolo Prete :
> Hello Thomas,
>
> Given that the post events attached to a SkipEvent get parents like
> PaperColumn and VerticalAxisGroup, I expect that overriding some of these
> parents' properties shifts the dynamic placed on a skip event,
> consequently. But this doesn't happen.
> Better said: I don't know which parent could I choose to override in order
> to shift its children's position properties.
>
> {
>
> \override VerticalAxisGroup.X-extent = #'(22 . 0)
> \override PaperColumn.X-extent = #'(22 . 0)
> \override VerticalAxisGroup.X-offset = #'(22 . 0)
> \override PaperColumn.X-offset = #'(22 . 0)
> s\mf c' c' c'
>
> }
>
> More generally: is there a way to shift a vertical axis/column, so that
> associated notes/rests/dynamics/skip-events shift too?
> This would be great...
>
>
>>
>>
>> For spacing wishes for single SkipEvents you may use the SpacingSpanner:
>>
>> {
>> \override Score.SpacingSpanner.spacing-increment = 10
>> s4
>> \revert Score.SpacingSpanner.spacing-increment
>> \newSpacingSection
>> c''2.
>> }
>>
>
> Doesn't work if the skip event has a dynamics, or a markup etc. ...
>
>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Harm
>
>
As long as you have a SkipEvent without any post-events the
SpacingSpanner-override will affect and move the _following_
NoteColumn.
That looks fine, imho
As soon as something is attached to a SkipEvent a related PaperColumn
is created and can be tweaked like:
{
\overrideProperty Score.PaperColumn.X-extent #'(-20 . 10)
s4\f
c''2.
}
Cheers,
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Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
> On Mar 25, 2018, at 2:56 AM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote:
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 22:57:18 -0400
> From: Kieren MacMillan
> To: paolo prete
> Cc: Lilypond-User Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
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> Hi Paolo,
>
>> Is there a way to add extra space at the beginning of a bar without
>> overriding the X-offset of the starting notes/rests/chords?
>> { how to add space here? . c' c' c' c' }
>
> Here are two options that avoid X-offset:
>
> \version "2.19.80"
> \language "english"
>
> \score {
> \repeat unfold 12 { c'4 }
> \layout {
>\context {
> \Score
> \override BarLine.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 12)
> \override BarLine.space-alist.next-note = #'(semi-fixed-space . 12.5)
>}
> }
> }
I don’t understand your first method. Why doesn’t the first measure have any
extra space? To me, the score looks identical whether I include your first
override or not; it doesn’t seem to do anything. It must be because there’s
not a bar line before the first measure. I tried changing the “music” to: {
\bar “” \repeat unfold 12 { c’4 } }, but that didn’t change anything.
Just curious what’s going on here.
>
> { \tweak NoteHead.extra-spacing-width #'(-12 . 0) c'4 4 4 4 }
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Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
Hi Patrick,
>> \score {
>> \repeat unfold 12 { c'4 }
>> \layout {
>> \context {
>> \Score
>> \override BarLine.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 12)
>> \override BarLine.space-alist.next-note = #'(semi-fixed-space . 12.5)
>> }
>> }
>> }
>
> I don’t understand your first method. Why doesn’t the first measure have any
> extra space? To me, the score looks identical whether I include your first
> override or not; it doesn’t seem to do anything. It must be because there’s
> not a bar line before the first measure.
Correct! The tweak adjusted a BarLine property, and thus doesn’t affect the
first measure.
Best,
Kieren.
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Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
Hello Thomas,
Given that the post events attached to a SkipEvent get parents like
PaperColumn and VerticalAxisGroup, I expect that overriding some of these
parents' properties shifts the dynamic placed on a skip event,
consequently. But this doesn't happen.
Better said: I don't know which parent could I choose to override in order
to shift its children's position properties.
{
\override VerticalAxisGroup.X-extent = #'(22 . 0)
\override PaperColumn.X-extent = #'(22 . 0)
\override VerticalAxisGroup.X-offset = #'(22 . 0)
\override PaperColumn.X-offset = #'(22 . 0)
s\mf c' c' c'
}
More generally: is there a way to shift a vertical axis/column, so that
associated notes/rests/dynamics/skip-events shift too?
This would be great...
>
> For spacing wishes for single SkipEvents you may use the SpacingSpanner:
>
> {
> \override Score.SpacingSpanner.spacing-increment = 10
> s4
> \revert Score.SpacingSpanner.spacing-increment
> \newSpacingSection
> c''2.
> }
>
>
Doesn't work if the skip event has a dynamics, or a markup etc. ...
>
> Cheers,
> Harm
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Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
2018-03-25 15:01 GMT+02:00 Paolo Prete :
> Again: I think that these events [SkipEvents] must be managed as graphic
> objects, with
> the extra-spacing-width and X-offset properties. I don't understand why they
> don't implement these interfaces and I wonder if is there a way to override
> this behaviour (with some _global_ scheme code)
SkipEvents don't cause any grob itself.
This is a feature!
As soon as other (post-)events are attached to a SkipEvent they get
parents like PaperColum and VerticalAxisGroup.
Ofcourse those attached events may cause grobs, which are taken into
account by the spacing-engine.
For spacing wishes for single SkipEvents you may use the SpacingSpanner:
{
\override Score.SpacingSpanner.spacing-increment = 10
s4
\revert Score.SpacingSpanner.spacing-increment
\newSpacingSection
c''2.
}
Cheers,
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Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
Hi Kieren
2018-03-25 13:41 GMT+02:00 Kieren MacMillan :
> Hi Paolo,
>
>
> You’d have to add an equivalent tweak for any prefatory material (Clef,
> KeySignature, etc.).
>
>
Doesn't work for skip events too...
> > and the second option doesn't add space if the measure starts with a
> rest or skip event.
> > I could use "\tweak Rest.extra-spacing-width ... " for the rest but I
> don't know what to apply to a skip event...
> > How can I fix that?
>
> 1. What music do you have that doesn’t include a grob of any sort in the
> first moment of the measure?
>
>
Have a look at this snippet ( http://lilybin.com/p2whaw/1 ) :
%%
upper = {
c'8 c' \change Staff = "down" g \change Staff = "up" c'
\change Staff = "down" \stemUp g g \change Staff = "up" c' \change Staff
= "down" c'
}
lower = {
s8\f s s\mf s s\mp s s\p s
}
\score {
\new PianoStaff
<<
\new Staff = "up" << \upper >>
\new Staff = "down" << \clef bass \lower >>
>>
}
%%
... as you can see, there's no way to add extra-space at the beginning of
the measure, without work-arounds (like the one you just proposed).
2. How about
>
> { \once \hide Rest \tweak Rest.extra-spacing-width #'(-10 . 0) r4 c'4
> 4 4 }
>
It does the job but I don't think it's a good solution. I wonder if is
there a more general solution, given that in cross-staff music, it
frequently happens that I have to place dynamics like the snippet above,
and skip-events cause issues for the alignment of the attached items.
Again: I think that these events must be managed as graphic objects, with
the extra-spacing-width and X-offset properties. I don't understand why
they don't implement these interfaces and I wonder if is there a way to
override this behaviour (with some _global_ scheme code)
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Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
Hi Paolo,
> Unfortunately yhe first option adds space only after a barline, and not at
> the measure on the left of the staff
\score {
\repeat unfold 12 { c'4 }
\layout {
\context {
\Score
\override TimeSignature.extra-spacing-width = #'(0 . 10)
\override BarLine.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 12)
\override BarLine.space-alist.next-note = #'(semi-fixed-space . 12.5)
}
}
}
You’d have to add an equivalent tweak for any prefatory material (Clef,
KeySignature, etc.).
> and the second option doesn't add space if the measure starts with a rest or
> skip event.
> I could use "\tweak Rest.extra-spacing-width ... " for the rest but I don't
> know what to apply to a skip event...
> How can I fix that?
1. What music do you have that doesn’t include a grob of any sort in the first
moment of the measure?
2. How about
{ \once \hide Rest \tweak Rest.extra-spacing-width #'(-10 . 0) r4 c'4 4 4 }
Hope that helps!
Kieren.
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Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
I think that the biggest problem is that a skip event doesn't implement the Graphical Objects Interfaces' properties AFAIK (I just searched trhough the API) Then, no X-offset or extra-spacing-width ... etc. are avaible for it IMHO, it should be considered as a Graphical Object, because it is placed in a precise position in the staff and dynamics, markup etc. can be added to it. Any feedback about that? 2018-03-25 12:18 GMT+02:00 paolo prete : > Hello Kieren, > > thanks for your help. > Unfortunately yhe first option adds space only after a barline, and not at > the measure on the left of the staff, and the second option doesn't add > space if the measure starts with a rest or skip event. > > I could use "\tweak Rest.extra-spacing-width ... " for the rest but I > don't know what to apply to a skip event... > > How can I fix that? > >> >> ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
Hello Kieren,
thanks for your help.
Unfortunately yhe first option adds space only after a barline, and not at
the measure on the left of the staff, and the second option doesn't add
space if the measure starts with a rest or skip event.
I could use "\tweak Rest.extra-spacing-width ... " for the rest but I
don't know what to apply to a skip event...
How can I fix that?
2018-03-25 4:57 GMT+02:00 Kieren MacMillan :
> Hi Paolo,
>
> > Is there a way to add extra space at the beginning of a bar without
> overriding the X-offset of the starting notes/rests/chords?
> > { how to add space here? . c' c' c' c' }
>
> Here are two options that avoid X-offset:
>
> \version "2.19.80"
> \language "english"
>
> \score {
> \repeat unfold 12 { c'4 }
> \layout {
> \context {
> \Score
> \override BarLine.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 12)
> \override BarLine.space-alist.next-note = #'(semi-fixed-space . 12.5)
> }
> }
> }
>
> { \tweak NoteHead.extra-spacing-width #'(-12 . 0) c'4 4 4 4 }
>
> Hope that helps!
> Kieren.
>
>
> Kieren MacMillan, composer
> ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
> ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info
>
>
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Re: Extra space at the beginning of the bar
Hi Paolo,
> Is there a way to add extra space at the beginning of a bar without
> overriding the X-offset of the starting notes/rests/chords?
> { how to add space here? . c' c' c' c' }
Here are two options that avoid X-offset:
\version "2.19.80"
\language "english"
\score {
\repeat unfold 12 { c'4 }
\layout {
\context {
\Score
\override BarLine.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 12)
\override BarLine.space-alist.next-note = #'(semi-fixed-space . 12.5)
}
}
}
{ \tweak NoteHead.extra-spacing-width #'(-12 . 0) c'4 4 4 4 }
Hope that helps!
Kieren.
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Extra space at the beginning of the bar
Hello,
Is there a way to add extra space at the beginning of a bar without
overriding the X-offset of the starting notes/rests/chords?
{ how to add space here? . c' c' c' c' }
Thanks
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