Re: [Lilypond] How to get guitar chords to appear at each bar
Merci, Pierre. That succeeded in moving the chord names down to the 5th measure (2nd system? Not sure of proper term here). However, it made me realize that all I had to do was add more chords to the Chords block and voila! Mahalo. J. -- University of Hawaii, Maui College / Mobile 760.840.8660 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Lilypond] How to get guitar chords to appear at each bar
Mahalo. Understand. J. On 6/10/19 00:57, Simon Albrecht wrote: > As a small aside, metadata you sent links this e-mail to a thread > about part names running off the page. Please make sure you keep > topics separated into their own threads by not replying to unrelated > messages and instead composing new e-mails from scratch. > > Best, Simon > -- University of Hawaii, Maui College / Mobile 760.840.8660 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Lilypond] How to get guitar chords to appear at each bar
Hi John, Le lun. 10 juin 2019 à 01:35, John Helly a écrit : > [...] However, I'm now stuck > trying to get the guitar chords to appear over each measure of the > verses and chorus. > > Chords = \new ChordNames { > \chords { > } > } > [...] > Try: Chords = \new ChordNames { \set chordChanges = ##f \chords { } } Cheers, Pierre ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Lilypond] How to get guitar chords to appear at each bar
As a small aside, metadata you sent links this e-mail to a thread about part names running off the page. Please make sure you keep topics separated into their own threads by not replying to unrelated messages and instead composing new e-mails from scratch. Best, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Lilypond] How to get guitar chords to appear at each bar
Mahalo for the reply. I think I understand that (regarding chords). However, I can't get them to appear at all over the verse or chorus, only the first four measures in the Intro. Perhaps it is because I'm using Stanzas? I've tried putting the chords in the first stanza and the chorus to no avail. J. On 6/9/19 17:12, Tim McNamara wrote: > >> On Jun 9, 2019, at 6:32 PM, John Helly wrote: >> >> Aloha. >> >> With various suggestions that I'm very grateful for, I've mostly gotten >> this guitar and vocal piece to score reasonably. However, I'm now stuck >> trying to get the guitar chords to appear over each measure of the >> verses and chorus. I've tried a variety of things but they all seem to >> cause the chords to appear as part of the lyrics. I may have boxed >> myself in somehow since I'm still a newbie. > Is the default is for a chord to appear at its first instance and not in > subsequent bars until it changes to a different chord. So if you have four > bars of D, you'll get the D chord at the start of the first bar but not the > subsequent bars. When it changes to a G chord, you'll get that chord listed > and then not again until the next chord change. This is pretty much the norm > in guitar charts in general as the page looks very busy and clunky with the > same chord being repeated over each bar. > >> Also, I'm getting a console message saying: >> >> warning: forced break was overridden by some other event, should you be >> using bar checks? >> >> I'm trying to figure out what this is due to as it may relate to the >> question above (I guess). >> Any suggestions to get out of the box would be appreciated. > On my charts when that happens, somewhere I have made an error in the > duration of a note or a chord. Typically I've got an quarter note notated as > an eighth note, for example, or there's a problem with a dotted note. I use > Lilypond to create jazz band lead sheets so there is a melody and a chord > chart simultaneously; the error can be in either. usually it's a typo- I was > typing a number of eighth notes and there was supposed to be a quarter note > but I typed it as an eighth note. -- University of Hawaii, Maui College / Mobile 760.840.8660 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Lilypond] How to get guitar chords to appear at each bar
> On Jun 9, 2019, at 6:32 PM, John Helly wrote: > > Aloha. > > With various suggestions that I'm very grateful for, I've mostly gotten > this guitar and vocal piece to score reasonably. However, I'm now stuck > trying to get the guitar chords to appear over each measure of the > verses and chorus. I've tried a variety of things but they all seem to > cause the chords to appear as part of the lyrics. I may have boxed > myself in somehow since I'm still a newbie. Is the default is for a chord to appear at its first instance and not in subsequent bars until it changes to a different chord. So if you have four bars of D, you'll get the D chord at the start of the first bar but not the subsequent bars. When it changes to a G chord, you'll get that chord listed and then not again until the next chord change. This is pretty much the norm in guitar charts in general as the page looks very busy and clunky with the same chord being repeated over each bar. > Also, I'm getting a console message saying: > > warning: forced break was overridden by some other event, should you be > using bar checks? > > I'm trying to figure out what this is due to as it may relate to the > question above (I guess). > Any suggestions to get out of the box would be appreciated. On my charts when that happens, somewhere I have made an error in the duration of a note or a chord. Typically I've got an quarter note notated as an eighth note, for example, or there's a problem with a dotted note. I use Lilypond to create jazz band lead sheets so there is a melody and a chord chart simultaneously; the error can be in either. usually it's a typo- I was typing a number of eighth notes and there was supposed to be a quarter note but I typed it as an eighth note. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
[Lilypond] How to get guitar chords to appear at each bar
Aloha. With various suggestions that I'm very grateful for, I've mostly gotten this guitar and vocal piece to score reasonably. However, I'm now stuck trying to get the guitar chords to appear over each measure of the verses and chorus. I've tried a variety of things but they all seem to cause the chords to appear as part of the lyrics. I may have boxed myself in somehow since I'm still a newbie. Also, I'm getting a console message saying: warning: forced break was overridden by some other event, should you be using bar checks? I'm trying to figure out what this is due to as it may relate to the question above (I guess). Any suggestions to get out of the box would be appreciated. J. = Song starts here == \version "2.19.82" \include "predefined-guitar-fretboards.ly" \header { } Chords = \new ChordNames { \chords { } } Diagrams = \new FretBoards { \chordmode { } } GuitarStrum = \new Voice \with { \consists "Pitch_squash_engraver" } { \relative c'' { \improvisationOn } } Song.Voice.Verse = \fixed c' { \relative c' { \GuitarStrum \break } } Song.Voice.Chorus = \fixed c' { } Song.Voice.Outro = \fixed c' { \mark \markup { \musicglyph #"scripts.coda" } } Song.Lyrics.VerseI = \lyricmode { \set stanza = #"1." } Song.Lyrics.VerseII = \lyricmode { \set stanza = #"2." } Song.Lyrics.VerseIII = \lyricmode { \set stanza = #"3." } Song.Lyrics.VerseIV = \lyricmode { \set stanza = #"4." } Song.Lyrics.VerseV = \lyricmode { \set stanza = #"5." } Song.Lyrics.VerseVI = \lyricmode { \set stanza = #"6." %fd\mark \markup { D.S. al Coda } } Song.Lyrics.Chorus = \lyricmode { \set stanza = #"C." } Song.Lyrics.Outro = \lyricmode { } \score { << %\context ChordNames { \theChords } %\context FretBoards { \theChords } \Chords \Diagrams \new Staff { \key a \minor { \GuitarStrum \break \GuitarStrum \break \GuitarStrum \break } \new Voice = "verse" { \Song.Voice.Verse \bar "||" } \new Voice = "chorus" { \Song.Voice.Chorus \bar "||" } \new Voice = "outro" { \Song.Voice.Outro \bar ":|." } } \new Lyrics \lyricsto "verse" { \Song.Lyrics.VerseI \break } \new Lyrics << \lyricsto "verse" { \Song.Lyrics.VerseII } \lyricsto "chorus" { \Song.Lyrics.Chorus } \lyricsto "outro" { \Song.Lyrics.Outro } >> \new Lyrics \lyricsto "verse" { \Song.Lyrics.VerseIII } \new Lyrics << \lyricsto "verse" { \Song.Lyrics.VerseIV } % \lyricsto "chorus" { \Song.Lyrics.Chorus } >> \new Lyrics \lyricsto "verse" { \Song.Lyrics.VerseV \break } \new Lyrics \lyricsto "verse" { \Song.Lyrics.VerseVI \break } >> \layout { } \midi { \tempo 4 = 135 } } -- University of Hawaii, Maui College / Mobile 760.840.8660 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: adding common guitar chords
Federico Bruni writes: > Hi Julien > > This is another (simpler) way. I've commented with % what is not needed: > > \version "2.19.54" > %\include "predefined-guitar-fretboards.ly" > > myChords = \relative { > \set minimumFret = #3 > 1 > } > > << > \new ChordNames { >\chordmode { g1 } > } > \new FretBoards { >%\set FretBoards.minimumFret = #3 >\myChords > } > \new TabStaff { >%\set TabStaff.minimumFret = #3 >\myChords > } Thanks, for your suggestion. I had tried something similar but I need to define new Chordname for each root note. I thought it could be calculated by lilypond once the list of intervalls has been specified along with the strings to play them with. Julien. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: adding common guitar chords
David Kastrup writes: > We have the required information in predefined fretboards. Maybe we > should have a general function for substituting chords with the > predefined shapes rather than only do that as part of fretboard display. Yes, that would be nice :-) Julien. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: adding common guitar chords
Il giorno dom 12 feb 2017 alle 22:16, Julien Cubizolles ha scritto: Hello list, I'm very new to lilypond so please forgive me if what I'm asking is obvious but I needed to type some chords commonly used on a guitar: for instance a g major chord using all 6 chords would be played with fingers at frets 355433 (from the bass). In chord mode, I could only achieve it with the following --8<---cut here---start->8--- \chordmode {\set TabStaff.minimumFret = #2 \set TabStaff.restrainOpenStrings = ##t g,,4:16.8.10.12.15^3.7.9.11.13} --8<---cut here---end--->8--- That's a lot to type for something so common. Is there a way to define such a chord and name it (with the "full" suffix for example) so that in chordmode one could use g:full, c:full and so on ? Maybe there is already a snippet for it but I couldn't find it so far. Thanks for your help, Hi Julien This is another (simpler) way. I've commented with % what is not needed: \version "2.19.54" %\include "predefined-guitar-fretboards.ly" myChords = \relative { \set minimumFret = #3 1 } << \new ChordNames { \chordmode { g1 } } \new FretBoards { %\set FretBoards.minimumFret = #3 \myChords } \new TabStaff { %\set TabStaff.minimumFret = #3 \myChords } >> ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: adding common guitar chords
Klaus Blum writes: > Hi Julien, > > Julien Cubizolles wrote >> Is there a way to define >> such a chord and name it (with the "full" suffix for example) so that in >> chordmode one could use g:full, c:full and so on ? > > you can define your chord by assembling the six "real" pitches: > > % -- > g_full = #(define-music-function (parser location) () > #{ > > #}) > > { > \new TabStaff { > \chordmode { > g1 \g_full g > } > } > } > % -- We have the required information in predefined fretboards. Maybe we should have a general function for substituting chords with the predefined shapes rather than only do that as part of fretboard display. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: adding common guitar chords
Hi Julien, Julien Cubizolles wrote > Is there a way to define > such a chord and name it (with the "full" suffix for example) so that in > chordmode one could use g:full, c:full and so on ? you can define your chord by assembling the six "real" pitches: % -- g_full = #(define-music-function (parser location) () #{ #}) { \new TabStaff { \chordmode { g1 \g_full g } } } % -- Cheers, Klaus -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/adding-common-guitar-chords-tp200057p200058.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
adding common guitar chords
Hello list, I'm very new to lilypond so please forgive me if what I'm asking is obvious but I needed to type some chords commonly used on a guitar: for instance a g major chord using all 6 chords would be played with fingers at frets 355433 (from the bass). In chord mode, I could only achieve it with the following --8<---cut here---start->8--- \chordmode {\set TabStaff.minimumFret = #2 \set TabStaff.restrainOpenStrings = ##t g,,4:16.8.10.12.15^3.7.9.11.13} --8<---cut here---end--->8--- That's a lot to type for something so common. Is there a way to define such a chord and name it (with the "full" suffix for example) so that in chordmode one could use g:full, c:full and so on ? Maybe there is already a snippet for it but I couldn't find it so far. Thanks for your help, Julien. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Problem with line breaks and guitar chords
>For sure, the code you sent is not the one you've compiled. Oops. I have so many files open that in spite of my efforts to keep everything straight and send the correct one I still sent the wrong one. Anyway, as I mentioned in my previous email I found the solution to the problem. On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote: > Hi David, > > 2014-08-15 22:40 GMT+02:00 David Bellows : > >> Wow, that looks so much better. I've attached the pdf of what happens >> when I compile the code (wasn't sure if that was allowed on the list). >> And yeah, I don't get a warning when I compile it. I guess something >> has changed from 2.18 to 2.19. > > > For sure, the code you sent is not the one you've compiled. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Problem with line breaks and guitar chords
Hey all, problem solved! While skimming the Notation Reference manual I found the \remove "Forbid_line_break_engraver" command which fixes the problem and makes everything else look nicer. On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 1:40 PM, David Bellows wrote: > Wow, that looks so much better. I've attached the pdf of what happens > when I compile the code (wasn't sure if that was allowed on the list). > And yeah, I don't get a warning when I compile it. I guess something > has changed from 2.18 to 2.19. > > And yes, I've got all sorts of cool things going on in this project. > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Abraham Lee > wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM, David Bellows >> wrote: >> >> Hello all, I'm developing a program that does various things to sounds >> including various ways of creating scores. One of the things intends to >> produce simple guitar chords with fret diagrams, chord names, and strumming >> patterns by generating a Lilypond file. I'm currently using the ragged-right >> = ##t option in the layout section and most of the time the results are >> fine. However, if you compile the following code it provides an exception as >> the last line runs way off into the margin and the last four notes are lost. >> From the documentation I'm guessing the reason this is happening is that the >> bar lines aren't being properly accounted for on my end as I am not breaking >> up durations across bar lines. While maybe, someday, I'll be able to figure >> out how to eliminate that problem on my end I was wondering if there was a >> way to get Lilypond to skip to the next line anyway without any kind of >> manual intervention. There are something like 2.5 quintillion scores that >> can be potentially produced by this software so there is no way to handle >> them manually. (Note, I've included the Lilypond file exactly as my program >> created it minus the spacing). Thanks, Dave \version "2.19.11" \header { >> dedication = "(For Some Dead Thing)" title = "Threnody" subtitle = "" >> subsubtitle = "" instrument = "Guitar" poet = "" composer = "David Bellows" >> arranger = "Kosmos Noetos" tagline = "" copyright = "© 15 August 2014" } >> \language "english" \include "predefined-guitar-fretboards.ly" \score { << >> \new ChordNames { \chordmode { c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 g4 >> g4 c4 c8 c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4:m f4 g4 f4 \bar "|." } >> } \new FretBoards { \chordmode { c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 >> g4 g4 c4 c8 c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4:m f4 g4 f4 \bar >> "|." } } \new Voice \with {\consists "Pitch_squash_engraver"} { \relative >> c'' { \improvisationOn c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 g4 g4 c4 c8 >> c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4 f4 g4 f4 } } >> >>>> >> >> >> \layout{ragged-right = ##t} \midi{} } >> ___ lilypond-user mailing list >> lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user >> >> >> David, >> >> That sounds exciting! When I ran your code, just as you gave it above, I >> didn't have _any_ problems (I guess I'm using 2.18.2, but I'm not sure why >> that would make our outputs THAT much different), not even a warning. >> >> I've attached my output. It looks fine to me! Hope you can get it working. >> >> Regards, >> Abraham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Problem with line breaks and guitar chords
Hi David, 2014-08-15 22:40 GMT+02:00 David Bellows : > Wow, that looks so much better. I've attached the pdf of what happens > when I compile the code (wasn't sure if that was allowed on the list). > And yeah, I don't get a warning when I compile it. I guess something > has changed from 2.18 to 2.19. > For sure, the code you sent is not the one you've compiled. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Problem with line breaks and guitar chords
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM, David Bellows wrote: Hello all, I'm developing a program that does various things to sounds including various ways of creating scores. One of the things intends to produce simple guitar chords with fret diagrams, chord names, and strumming patterns by generating a Lilypond file. I'm currently using the ragged-right = ##t option in the layout section and most of the time the results are fine. However, if you compile the following code it provides an exception as the last line runs way off into the margin and the last four notes are lost. From the documentation I'm guessing the reason this is happening is that the bar lines aren't being properly accounted for on my end as I am not breaking up durations across bar lines. While maybe, someday, I'll be able to figure out how to eliminate that problem on my end I was wondering if there was a way to get Lilypond to skip to the next line anyway without any kind of manual intervention. There are something like 2.5 quintillion scores that can be potentially produced by this software so there is no way to handle them manually. (Note, I've included the Lilypond file exactly as my program created it minus the spacing). Thanks, Dave \version "2.19.11" \header { dedication = "(For Some Dead Thing)" title = "Threnody" subtitle = "" subsubtitle = "" instrument = "Guitar" poet = "" composer = "David Bellows" arranger = "Kosmos Noetos" tagline = "" copyright = "© 15 August 2014" } \language "english" \include "predefined-guitar-fretboards.ly" \score { << \new ChordNames { \chordmode { c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 g4 g4 c4 c8 c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4:m f4 g4 f4 \bar "|." } } \new FretBoards { \chordmode { c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 g4 g4 c4 c8 c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4:m f4 g4 f4 \bar "|." } } \new Voice \with {\consists "Pitch_squash_engraver"} { \relative c'' { \improvisationOn c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 g4 g4 c4 c8 c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4 f4 g4 f4 } } >> \layout{ragged-right = ##t} \midi{} } ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user David, That sounds exciting! When I ran your code, just as you gave it above, I didn't have _any_ problems (I guess I'm using 2.18.2, but I'm not sure why that would make our outputs THAT much different), not even a warning. I've attached my output. It looks fine to me! Hope you can get it working. Regards, Abraham fretboards.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Problem with line breaks and guitar chords
Hello David, 2.18.2 behaves nicely with this example, though. JM Am 15.08.2014 um 22:24 schrieb David Bellows : > Hello all, > > I'm developing a program that does various things to sounds including > various ways of creating scores. One of the things intends to produce > simple guitar chords with fret diagrams, chord names, and strumming > patterns by generating a Lilypond file. I'm currently using the > ragged-right = ##t option in the layout section and most of the time > the results are fine. However, if you compile the following code it > provides an exception as the last line runs way off into the margin > and the last four notes are lost. > > From the documentation I'm guessing the reason this is happening is > that the bar lines aren't being properly accounted for on my end as I > am not breaking up durations across bar lines. While maybe, someday, > I'll be able to figure out how to eliminate that problem on my end I > was wondering if there was a way to get Lilypond to skip to the next > line anyway without any kind of manual intervention. There are > something like 2.5 quintillion scores that can be potentially produced > by this software so there is no way to handle them manually. > > (Note, I've included the Lilypond file exactly as my program created > it minus the spacing). > > Thanks, Dave > > \version "2.19.11" > \header { > dedication = "(For Some Dead Thing)" > title = "Threnody" > subtitle = "" > subsubtitle = "" > instrument = "Guitar" > poet = "" > composer = "David Bellows" > arranger = "Kosmos Noetos" > tagline = "" > copyright = "© 15 August 2014" > } > \language "english" > \include "predefined-guitar-fretboards.ly" > \score { > << > \new ChordNames { > \chordmode { > c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 g4 g4 c4 c8 c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 > f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4:m f4 g4 f4 \bar "|." > } > } > \new FretBoards { > \chordmode { > c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 g4 g4 c4 c8 c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 > f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4:m f4 g4 f4 \bar "|." > } > } > \new Voice \with {\consists "Pitch_squash_engraver"} > { > \relative c'' { > \improvisationOn > c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 g4 g4 c4 c8 c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 > f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4 f4 g4 f4 > } > } >>> > \layout{ragged-right = ##t} > \midi{} > } > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Problem with line breaks and guitar chords
Hello all, I'm developing a program that does various things to sounds including various ways of creating scores. One of the things intends to produce simple guitar chords with fret diagrams, chord names, and strumming patterns by generating a Lilypond file. I'm currently using the ragged-right = ##t option in the layout section and most of the time the results are fine. However, if you compile the following code it provides an exception as the last line runs way off into the margin and the last four notes are lost. From the documentation I'm guessing the reason this is happening is that the bar lines aren't being properly accounted for on my end as I am not breaking up durations across bar lines. While maybe, someday, I'll be able to figure out how to eliminate that problem on my end I was wondering if there was a way to get Lilypond to skip to the next line anyway without any kind of manual intervention. There are something like 2.5 quintillion scores that can be potentially produced by this software so there is no way to handle them manually. (Note, I've included the Lilypond file exactly as my program created it minus the spacing). Thanks, Dave \version "2.19.11" \header { dedication = "(For Some Dead Thing)" title = "Threnody" subtitle = "" subsubtitle = "" instrument = "Guitar" poet = "" composer = "David Bellows" arranger = "Kosmos Noetos" tagline = "" copyright = "© 15 August 2014" } \language "english" \include "predefined-guitar-fretboards.ly" \score { << \new ChordNames { \chordmode { c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 g4 g4 c4 c8 c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4:m f4 g4 f4 \bar "|." } } \new FretBoards { \chordmode { c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 g4 g4 c4 c8 c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4:m f4 g4 f4 \bar "|." } } \new Voice \with {\consists "Pitch_squash_engraver"} { \relative c'' { \improvisationOn c4 g4 g4 c4 c8 c8 g4 g8 c8 c4 c8 c4 g4 g8 g4 g4 c4 c8 c4 c4 g8 c4 c4 f4 c4 c4 g4 f8 g8 g8 c4 c4 a4 f4 g4 f4 } } >> \layout{ragged-right = ##t} \midi{} } ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Space between staff and guitar chords
Jonathan Kulp-2 wrote: > > GJO wrote: >> I have trawled around and can not find how to lower the space between a >> guitar chord letter, not symbol, and the top of the music lines. >> >> Any advice? >> >> Thanks > > Here's a snippet I created a while back that does what I think you're > asking for: > > http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=537 > > Now, it doesn't display the \lowerChords function properly on the > Snippet Repo, maybe because it's running version 2.10, but if you save > the snippet and run it in 2.12 you'll see that the chord letters are > placed much closer to the staff on the blank staff, as I've adjusted the > Y-offset. You can adjust the Y-offset value to suit your taste. I'll > attach a png so you can see how much closer the chord names are in the > 2nd staff. Hope that helps, > > Jon > > -- > Jonathan Kulp > http://www.jonathankulp.com > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > Thank you for the advice. I think I now have the chords as low as they can go down. Regards Graham -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Space-between-staff-and-guitar-chords-tp23573686p23581645.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Space between staff and guitar chords
GJO wrote: I have trawled around and can not find how to lower the space between a guitar chord letter, not symbol, and the top of the music lines. Any advice? Thanks Here's a snippet I created a while back that does what I think you're asking for: http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=537 Now, it doesn't display the \lowerChords function properly on the Snippet Repo, maybe because it's running version 2.10, but if you save the snippet and run it in 2.12 you'll see that the chord letters are placed much closer to the staff on the blank staff, as I've adjusted the Y-offset. You can adjust the Y-offset value to suit your taste. I'll attach a png so you can see how much closer the chord names are in the 2nd staff. Hope that helps, Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com <>___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Space between staff and guitar chords
I have trawled around and can not find how to lower the space between a guitar chord letter, not symbol, and the top of the music lines. Any advice? Thanks -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Space-between-staff-and-guitar-chords-tp23573686p23573686.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Custom guitar chords
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:21:42AM +0200, Marc Hohl wrote: > As a guitarist, I would call this chord B5/A, because it without the > third, it isn't really > a minor chord - but this depends on the context. > > Just a thought. It's not me who found out the chord name, anyway you are right, yes. :) pgpaKDvxhmVuV.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Custom guitar chords
First, currently the output has "Bm" for my chord, but actually I would like to have it as 'Bm \super "omit3"/A'. (No, I don't really mind about the midi output. :) ) As a guitarist, I would call this chord B5/A, because it without the third, it isn't really a minor chord - but this depends on the context. Just a thought. Marc ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Custom guitar chords
On 4/15/09 10:51 AM, "Miklos Vajna" wrote: > Hi, > > Here is a sample: > > > \version "2.12.1" > > \score { > << > \chords { > e1:sus4 g e:m b:m > } > \relative c' > { > e8. > ^\markup \fret-diagram #"f:2;6-o;5-o;4-2-2;3-2-3;2-o;1-o;" > e16( e8) e8 e16 d e8 r4 | e8 e e16 e8 e16 e8 e( b'4) | > b8 a g16 g8 fis16 fis g e8 r8. e16 | fis8 > ^\markup \fret-diagram #"f:2;5-o;4-4-3;3-4-4;2-o;1-2-1;" > fis16 e fis8 g16 fis( fis4) g16( fis e fis) > } >>> > } > > > So I'm having normal chords like 'g' and 'e:m' but I have two custom > chords as well. I have a problem and a question as well. > > First, currently the output has "Bm" for my chord, but actually I would > like to have it as 'Bm \super "omit3"/A'. (No, I don't really mind about > the midi output. :) ) Would you really like a Bm with the third missing and an A bass? If so, you could use b:m-3/+a I think you'll still need to use the chord name markup that Robin showed you, but at least you'll have the right notes. > > Second, It's a bit ugly to define the custom chords inside the notes and > not in the \chords secion. Is it possible to do something like > "^\markup" in the \chords section? I think you'll be much happier if you use the FretBoards context for your fret diagrams, instead of using markups on the notes. Please see section 2.4.1 of the Notation Reference, especially the section on Predefined fret diagrams. You can define the fret diagram for your b:m-3/+a chord once, and use it multiple times in your work. If you can't figure out how to do it, I'll be happy to give you some more guidance. As a preview, you'd add the following to the top of your file: \include "predefined-guitar-fretboards.ly" \storePredefinedDiagram \chordmode { e:sus4 } #guitar-tuning #"x;;4-3;4-4;;2-1;" Then you'd add a new context between your ChordNames context and your Staff context: \new FretBoards {e1:sus4 } HTH, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Custom guitar chords
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 09:18:21PM +0200, Robin Bannister wrote: > Like this? (verbatim) > > replaceCN = #(define-music-function (parser location new) (markup?) > #{\once \override ChordNames.ChordName #'stencil = > #(lambda (grob) (grob-interpret-markup grob $new)) #}) > > BmsusA = \markup {Bm \super "omit3"/A} > > \chords { e1:sus4 g e:m \replaceCN \BmsusA b:m } Works perfectly, thanks! :) pgp3DSHDOzrS6.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Custom guitar chords
Miklos Vajna wrote: First, currently the output has "Bm" for my chord, but actually I would like to have it as 'Bm \super "omit3"/A'. Like this? (verbatim) replaceCN = #(define-music-function (parser location new) (markup?) #{\once \override ChordNames.ChordName #'stencil = #(lambda (grob) (grob-interpret-markup grob $new)) #}) BmsusA = \markup {Bm \super "omit3"/A} \chords { e1:sus4 g e:m \replaceCN \BmsusA b:m } Cheers, Robin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Custom guitar chords
Hi, Here is a sample: \version "2.12.1" \score { << \chords { e1:sus4 g e:m b:m } \relative c' { e8. ^\markup \fret-diagram #"f:2;6-o;5-o;4-2-2;3-2-3;2-o;1-o;" e16( e8) e8 e16 d e8 r4 | e8 e e16 e8 e16 e8 e( b'4) | b8 a g16 g8 fis16 fis g e8 r8. e16 | fis8 ^\markup \fret-diagram #"f:2;5-o;4-4-3;3-4-4;2-o;1-2-1;" fis16 e fis8 g16 fis( fis4) g16( fis e fis) } >> } So I'm having normal chords like 'g' and 'e:m' but I have two custom chords as well. I have a problem and a question as well. First, currently the output has "Bm" for my chord, but actually I would like to have it as 'Bm \super "omit3"/A'. (No, I don't really mind about the midi output. :) ) Second, It's a bit ugly to define the custom chords inside the notes and not in the \chords secion. Is it possible to do something like "^\markup" in the \chords section? Thanks! pgpZbXMDx9pfm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Amazing Grace Melody and Guitar Chords
On May 2, 2008, at 10:18 PM, Thermo wrote: Does anyone have a .ly file for Amazing Grace as melody and guitar chords to share? Here's another version. amazinggraceGa.ly includes amazinggracenotesa.;y You can easily have it in any key by changing the two \transpose commands in amazinggraceGa.ly. Paul Scott amazinggracenotesa.ly Description: Binary data amazinggraceGa.ly Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Amazing Grace Melody and Guitar Chords
2008/5/3 Thermo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Does anyone have a .ly file for Amazing Grace as melody and guitar chords to > share? You might want to have a look at this ABC search engine: http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/tunefind?P=amazing+grace And then use abc2ly, and then... oh, the hell with it. Here you are: % \version "2.11.46" \header { tagline = "Lily was here 2.11.45 -- automatically converted from ABC" title = "Amazing grace" } voiceB = { c'8f'8 f'2 \times 2/3 { a'8.g'16f'8 } a'2a'8g'8 f'2d'4 c'2c'8f'8 f'2 \times 2/3 { a'8.g'16f'8 }a'2g'8 a'8 c''2. ~ c''2 a'8c''8 c''2 \times 2/3 { a'8.g'16f'8 }a'2a'8g'8 f'2d'4 c'2c'8f'8 f'2 \times 2/3 { a'8. g'16f'8 }a'2g'4 f'2. \bar "||" } voiceC = { s8a8 a2 \times 2/3 { c'8.bes16a8 } c'2c'8bes8 d'2bes4 a2a8a8 a2 \times 2/3 { c'8.bes16a8 }c'2bes8a8 e'2. ~ e'2 c'8a8 a2 \times 2/3 { c'8.bes16a8 }c'2c'8bes8 d'2bes4 a2a8a8 a2 \times 2/3 { c'8. bes16a8 }c'2bes4 a2. \bar "||" } voiceD = { r4f,2. ~ f,2. bes,2. f,2. ~ f,2. ~ f,2. c2. c2 c4 f,2. ~ f,2. bes,2. f,2. ~ f,2. c,2. f,2. \bar "||" } voicedefault = { \time 3/4 % %staves {(1 2) 3} \key f \major \partial 4 } \score{ \transpose c d \new PianoStaff << \context Staff="1" { \voicedefault << \voiceB \voiceC >> } \context Staff="3" { \voicedefault \clef bass \voiceD } >> \layout { } \midi {} } % Please don't forget to submit it to mutopiaproject.org so anyone can find it easily in the future. Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Amazing Grace Melody and Guitar Chords
Does anyone have a .ly file for Amazing Grace as melody and guitar chords to share? Thank you -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Amazing-Grace-Melody-and-Guitar-Chords-tp17031870p17031870.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: guitar chords
On 02.10.2007 (09:57), Zoltan Kota wrote: > Hi, > > I'm newbie here. I have just started to learn lilypond. It looks very nice > (altough it needs some time to learn syntax, commands and tricks). :-) > > Is it possible to add guitar chords above a staff (accompanying guitar > chords for a vocal)? Like Em, D, C, H, etc. I have played with \chords, > \chordmode, ChordNames, but I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing: You're making it too complicated. Try to add the following: versechords = \chords { e2:m d4 c2. } %etc, and replace your current score section with the following: \score { << \versechords \context ChoirStaff << \context Voice = sop \Soprano \new Lyrics \lyricsto "sop" \soptext \context Voice = ooo \Chor \new Lyrics \lyricsto "ooo" \chortext >> >> } Also, in the "ooo" section, you could replace "Oo-" with "Oo __" (two underscores), that will produce nice extenders under the whole chord passage. > I couldn't add H4 (B4) for example. b:sus4 is probably what you're after. Eyolf -- BOFH excuse #256: You need to install an RTFM interface. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
guitar chords
Hi, I'm newbie here. I have just started to learn lilypond. It looks very nice (altough it needs some time to learn syntax, commands and tricks). :-) Is it possible to add guitar chords above a staff (accompanying guitar chords for a vocal)? Like Em, D, C, H, etc. I have played with \chords, \chordmode, ChordNames, but I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing: introchords = \chordmode { e2:min d4 c2. b2. b2. e2:min d4 c2. b2. b2 } << \new ChordNames { \germanChords \introchords } \context Voice { \Intro } >> I couldn't add H4 (B4) for example. At the link below you can find my first lilypond source file, and the original, manually prepared score in jpg I would like to reproduce. It would be nice if somebody could check it and let me know my mistakes, and give some suggestions how it can be improved. http://public.box.net/s09376 Thanks Zoltan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Guitar Chords
Silly me, I have just realised that you started both threads! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Guitar+Chords-t1540476.html#a4505196 Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User forum at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Guitar Chords
I see you didn't get a reply to this, Nick. Are you still having problems? There is a related discussion in the thread 'Beginners first attempt' (sadly lacking an apostrophe) here: http://www.nabble.com/Beginners+first+attempt-t1575027.html#a4354656 If you haven't worked anything out then pick up this thread again. Colin Nick-60 wrote: > > I am trying to put some of my favorite songs on the guitar into > lilypond. I noticed that the \chordmode creates 3 note (Piano ?) chords. > Is there a way to force it to do 6 note chords by default? > > Is anyone out there using this for guitar (pop) music. I would like to > hear how detailed you have gotten with it and what challenges that the > software presented. > > Currently I am trying to enter a C#m chord 446654. And having a bit of a > challege. Any suggestions > > Nick > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Guitar+Chords-t1540476.html#a4505163 Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User forum at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Musical notation of guitar chords.
I assign my fret markup to variables like this: frIFDomSevFltNinI = \markup { \center-align { \line { F \super \line { 7 \raise #0.5 \flat 9 } } \fret-diagram-terse #"2;x;1;2;1;x;" } } frICI = \markup { \center-align { \line { C \super \line { } } \fret-diagram-terse #"x;3;2;o;1;o;" } } frIIDDimSevIII = \markup { \center-align { \line { D \super \line { dim7 } } \fret-diagram-terse #"x;x;3;4;3;4;" } } etc... And I keep them all in a separate \include file. Then I simply re-state those variables in a Lyrics Staff above the music Staff with the duration number behind the variable names. By using an \include file I can get some re-useablity of my fret board markups, and over time build up a chord library. Here is an example of an arrangement I did that uses this technique: http://www.windcrestsoftware.com/Rick/DannyBoy.pdf For the markup shown above make sure the Lyric Text context sets the word spacing to a small value like .1 otherwise the letters will be too spread out. LyricText #'word-space=0.1 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Musical-notation-of-guitar-chords.-t1561237.html#a4255157 Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User forum at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Musical notation of guitar chords.
This is the nearest thing I could figure out. It shows what I am trying to get at, but I would rather use \chords or \ChordNames -- \version "2.8.1" { \key c \major << 8 ^\markup \fret-diagram #"6-x;5-3;4-2;3-o;2-1;1-o;" ^\markup{ \fontsize #6 \bold C } >> << 8 ^\markup \fret-diagram #"6-1;5-1;4-3;3-2;2-2;1-1;" ^\markup{\fontsize #6 \bold F } >> << 8 ^\markup \fret-diagram #"6-3;5-2;4-o;3-o;2-o;1-1;" ^\markup{\fontsize #6 \bold G \super \super \fontsize #5 7 } >> } -- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Musical notation of guitar chords.
Attempting to make myself a practice sheet. I cant seem to put chord names above the fret diagrams. Any suggestions ? \version "2.8.1" { \key c \major ^\markup \fret-diagram #"6-x;5-3;4-2;3-o;2-1;1-o;" ^\markup \fret-diagram #"6-1;5-1;4-3;3-2;2-2;1-1;" \key c \major ^\markup \fret-diagram #"6-3;5-2;4-o;3-o;2-o;1-1;" } ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Guitar Chords
Here is a recent arrangement I did of Danny Boy using only the fretboard markup commands: http://www.windcrestsoftware.com/Rick/DannyBoy.pdf It uses the "terse" syntax and does the chord names with markup also, it's working out pretty good so I'll prpbably begin doing all may backlogged arrangements similarly. So I have complete control over the chord names. I'm a new LP user. I'll be adding a polyphony staff too once I get the bass line rhythm worked out, right now it only shows a melody line. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Guitar-Chords-t1542083.html#a4198156 Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User forum at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Guitar Chords
Chord Mode apparently has little utility in actually scoring notes, unless you want to use block chords. You could try to use fret diagrams with markup, or I think you are stuck manually scoring your chords on a staff. Even if "six" note chords could be specified it would still be restrictive. There are too many ways a guitar chord could be voiced, IMO. Besides, guitarists don't actually read music, do they? ;-) (just kidding, this guitarist does...) _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Guitar Chords
I am trying to put some of my favorite songs on the guitar into lilypond. I noticed that the \chordmode creates 3 note (Piano ?) chords. Is there a way to force it to do 6 note chords by default? Is anyone out there using this for guitar (pop) music. I would like to hear how detailed you have gotten with it and what challenges that the software presented. Currently I am trying to enter a C#m chord 446654. And having a bit of a challege. Any suggestions Nick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
classical notation for barre guitar chords
Hi all, I would like to write classical guitar music and am looking for a way to include a vertical line spanning either the complete staff or parts of it, to be placed in front of a chord or the first note of it, indicating a barre chord in the left hand. Is there any way? Cheers Kai ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Guitar: clef for classical Guitar notation / barr guitar chords
Did you look in the section on Clefs in the manual? /Mats Kai Gorlich wrote: Hi all, first of all many thanks for this great software. In classcial guitar notation the clef C bears an 8 directly attached to it to show that the instrument is noted an octave lower than it sounds. Is there a clef in the repository? I managed to work out the fingering but is there a way to add barrs to the notes (not tabulator, in the actual notes)? Cheers Kai ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Guitar: clef for classical Guitar notation / barr guitar chords
Hi all, first of all many thanks for this great software. In classcial guitar notation the clef C bears an 8 directly attached to it to show that the instrument is noted an octave lower than it sounds. Is there a clef in the repository? I managed to work out the fingering but is there a way to add barrs to the notes (not tabulator, in the actual notes)? Cheers Kai ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Capoed guitar chords
It is common in our church music to have both normal chords and the capoed versions (when necessary) in the music. The capoed chords are in parenthesis. I have figured out how to have both sets of chords over the staff, but I haven't figured out how to put parenthesis around the capoed chords. Is there any way to do this in lily? Thanks, dar ___ lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Guitar Chords in Tab
New Question: following is a short lilypond script which ought to illustrate the fingering for an e-form A major chord. After rendering, I get a block of tab fingerings with a large stem running through it. How do I avoid this? .lp code follows: --v 1 \score{ 2 \notes { 3 2 4 \context TabStaff 5 {\property TabStaff.minimumFret = #5 6 <>} 7 } 8 \paper{} 9 } Thank you in advance for the answer. Lyle BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 1.0 GMU/O d+@ s: a C++ UL P+> L++ E-(---) W++ N++ o--@ K- w+(--) !O !M V PS--(+) PE++ Y !PGP t+() !5 X+() R+++($) tv b++>+++ DI@ !D G e++> h---@ r++ y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- ___ lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user