Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
Kurt: > On 2008/08/18 2:52 PM, "Neil Puttock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ... unfortunately, it's not clear from the regression > tests for ancient music > > since they are so small and the change in > spacing is barely visible unless you > > have a fair sized example. > > I happen to have a fair-sized example at hand -- the Salve Regina antiphon > (from 1st Vespers of the Feast of the Blessed Trinity to None on Saturday > before the 1st Sunday of Advent) that I transcribed for use as a headword to > the ancient music section of the GDP manual. > > I'd be happy to send it and a copy of my source document and the more > ornamented version from the LU, if you think it would help in regression > testing. > > >From what I've seen, the longer the melisma, the worse it's affected. > > Kurt You can use Tdiessancti.ly (page 409--410 in [1]) or Theac.ly (page 805) available from [2]. Unfortunately the ornaments didn't work that well so I omitted them. Regards /Karl [1] http://www.musicasacra.com/pdf/liberusualis.pdf [2] http://turkos.aspodata.se/noter/palestrina/dies_sanctificatus/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
On 2008/08/18 2:52 PM, "Neil Puttock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... unfortunately, it's not clear from the regression tests for ancient music > since they are so small and the change in spacing is barely visible unless you > have a fair sized example. I happen to have a fair-sized example at hand -- the Salve Regina antiphon (from 1st Vespers of the Feast of the Blessed Trinity to None on Saturday before the 1st Sunday of Advent) that I transcribed for use as a headword to the ancient music section of the GDP manual. I'd be happy to send it and a copy of my source document and the more ornamented version from the LU, if you think it would help in regression testing. >From what I've seen, the longer the melisma, the worse it's affected. Kurt ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
2008/8/12 Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 2008/08/11 11:13 AM, "Dominic Neumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Thanks Kurt! I already solved some problems, for example by using >> \finalis, \divisioMinima and so on. >> The main remaining problem is the bad positioning of notes and lyrics >> when two or more noteheads are nearly in one place. After these places >> is too much space until the next notehead is printed. >> >> Now I updated from 2.11.44 to 2.11.55 hoping that it helps. But the output of >> http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/Ancient-notation.ht >> ml >> looks other than online. Online there are not those ugly spaces, but >> on my system there are. [It´s Windows XP Pro, LilyPond version >> 2.11.55] >> (see attachment for this). >> >> Any ideas? > > It appears to have happened sometime between versions 2.11.51 (when the > online output was generated) and 2.11.55 (the most current development > version). I'm getting similar results on Mac OS X (10.4), using the same > dev version. Hi Joe, your fix for #600 "packed-spacing definition may put notes outside the staff", seems to be preventing the spacing from being properly packed; unfortunately, it's not clear from the regression tests for ancient music since they are so small and the change in spacing is barely visible unless you have a fair sized example. Is it possible to have the fix and keep the correct spacing? Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
Okay, I´ll try to play around with different versions. In the current case that´s not such a problem for me, because there are some chants I have to produce NOW and they have to look good. After that I probably won´t use gregorian chant that soon. Dominic 2008/8/12 Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 2008/08/11 11:13 AM, "Dominic Neumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Thanks Kurt! I already solved some problems, for example by using >> \finalis, \divisioMinima and so on. >> The main remaining problem is the bad positioning of notes and lyrics >> when two or more noteheads are nearly in one place. After these places >> is too much space until the next notehead is printed. >> >> Now I updated from 2.11.44 to 2.11.55 hoping that it helps. But the output of >> http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/Ancient-notation.ht >> ml >> looks other than online. Online there are not those ugly spaces, but >> on my system there are. [It´s Windows XP Pro, LilyPond version >> 2.11.55] >> (see attachment for this). >> >> Any ideas? > > It appears to have happened sometime between versions 2.11.51 (when the > online output was generated) and 2.11.55 (the most current development > version). I'm getting similar results on Mac OS X (10.4), using the same > dev version. > > This cycle of progress-regress is tiresome but to be expected since we're > working with a development version of the program. Ancient notation -- and > Gregorian-type chant in particular -- has been neglected for quite some > time, so even the modest advances that I've seen since version 2.8 (or so) > are refreshing. > > You may also consider downgrading to the current stable version, 2.10.33. I > have attached an example of that version's output. (Assuming that you *can* > downgrade: it works fine on my Macintosh, but I can't test on WinXP. The > only computer available to me that runs Windows XP is my work computer, and > my employer (the State of California) penalizes inappropriate personal use > of State property.) > > I'm sorry that I can't offer better help -- but I'm kind of stuck in the > same situation as you, hoping that LilyPond's output doesn't regress too > much. Maybe some of the gurus on this list (who have more experience with > spacing issues) can help us out ...? > > Kurtis > > PS: There's always Grégoire (http://gregoire.tele.free.fr/) -- but it's even > older than LilyPond (even though it was purpose-built for producing > Gregorian chant). It doesn't have a layout engine; you integrate the > results into your favorite word processor / DTP program. > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
I wonder why it doesn´t work whereas there is an online version where it works. I´ve got the most recent version of LilyPond. Which version is used at http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation? Or are there special command-line options improving the output? Dominic 2008/8/11 Joseph Haig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thanks! I've been looking for a copy of this chant without success, > although you appear to have missed the second line. Possibly, this is > deliberate as the music is the same as the first line. I hope someone > can solve the problem of the spacing. > > 2008/8/11 Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Thanks Kurt! I already solved some problems, for example by using >> \finalis, \divisioMinima and so on. >> The main remaining problem is the bad positioning of notes and lyrics >> when two or more noteheads are nearly in one place. After these places >> is too much space until the next notehead is printed. >> >> Now I updated from 2.11.44 to 2.11.55 hoping that it helps. But the output of >> http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/Ancient-notation.html >> looks other than online. Online there are not those ugly spaces, but >> on my system there are. [It´s Windows XP Pro, LilyPond version >> 2.11.55] >> (see attachment for this). >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Dominic >> >> 2008/8/11 Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> On 2008/07/29 8:04 AM, "Dominic Neumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Hello! I don't know if anyone else has answered this -- I haven't been >>> getting digests for the past week or so -- so I figured I should toss my hat >>> into the discussion ... especially since I have some recent experience in >>> setting Gregorian chant. >>> I´m new to gregorian typesetting but I´ve seen that there´s already support for it in LilyPond. Can you tell me how I can add a double bar at the end? >>> >>> Replace \bar "||" with \finalis. I would also use \divisioMinima instead of >>> \breathe ... but that's just me. >>> And there is a wrong note at the end? How can I delete it? >>> >>> It looks to me like LilyPond is trying to interpret \bar in terms of >>> gregorian-init.ly, and is failing. (The diagnostic messages from the >>> console would be helpful to determine if that's really the case.) Replacing >>> \bar "||" with \finalis should delete it. >>> Is it at all a good idea to start typesetting gregorian chants with LilyPond or are there too many diffulcuties by now? >>> >>> Yes, there are some difficulties, but you can see a small example of what >>> the current development version of LilyPond can do at the "Ancient Notation" >>> section of the GDP site: >>> >>> http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/Ancient-notation. >>> html >>> >>> Like the rest of the documentation, you can click on the image to see the >>> LilyPond source that created it. Some things to note: I did not include any >>> tweaks because I wanted to see how LilyPond handled unmodified input, so I >>> would be better informed while working on this section; the output is not >>> perfect by any means, but it looks much better than the output produced by >>> the current production version (last time I checked, anyway); there are some >>> odd collisions (especially the last phrase, which runs into the last finalis >>> (double bar). >>> >>> I hope that will be enough to get you started. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> You're welcome, >>> >>> Kurtis >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> lilypond-user mailing list >> lilypond-user@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user >> >> > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
Greetings - On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008/07/29 8:04 AM, "Dominic Neumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > Hello! I don't know if anyone else has answered this -- I haven't been > getting digests for the past week or so -- so I figured I should toss my > hat > into the discussion ... especially since I have some recent experience in > setting Gregorian chant. > I stopped getting the digests, as well. Is something broken? Ralph ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
On 2008/07/29 8:04 AM, "Dominic Neumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, Hello! I don't know if anyone else has answered this -- I haven't been getting digests for the past week or so -- so I figured I should toss my hat into the discussion ... especially since I have some recent experience in setting Gregorian chant. > > I´m new to gregorian typesetting but I´ve seen that there´s already > support for it in LilyPond. > Can you tell me how I can add a double bar at the end? Replace \bar "||" with \finalis. I would also use \divisioMinima instead of \breathe ... but that's just me. > > And there is a wrong note at the end? How can I delete it? It looks to me like LilyPond is trying to interpret \bar in terms of gregorian-init.ly, and is failing. (The diagnostic messages from the console would be helpful to determine if that's really the case.) Replacing \bar "||" with \finalis should delete it. > > Is it at all a good idea to start typesetting gregorian chants with > LilyPond or are there too many diffulcuties by now? Yes, there are some difficulties, but you can see a small example of what the current development version of LilyPond can do at the "Ancient Notation" section of the GDP site: http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/Ancient-notation. html Like the rest of the documentation, you can click on the image to see the LilyPond source that created it. Some things to note: I did not include any tweaks because I wanted to see how LilyPond handled unmodified input, so I would be better informed while working on this section; the output is not perfect by any means, but it looks much better than the output produced by the current production version (last time I checked, anyway); there are some odd collisions (especially the last phrase, which runs into the last finalis (double bar). I hope that will be enough to get you started. > > Thanks, You're welcome, Kurtis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to move noteheads to the left? (was: Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?)
As nobody has answered by now, I´ve been going on searching a solution
myself. The way I did it now is not what I would call a "clean
solution", but it produces an output that´s at least a little bit
better. The price we have to pay is much manual work.
If I put
\once \override NoteHead #'extra-offset = #'(1 . 0)
before EVERY not of a melisma and
\once \override NoteHead #'extra-offset = #'(#-2 . 0)
before the note after the melisma, it´s a bit better.
I also added
\once \override LyricText #'X-offset = #-3
before the syllable that belongs to the note after the melisma.
This works reasonably. Now I wanted to improve the handling of it
because the many \once \override commands are not that nice to look
at. I tried to introduce a music function for it, taking the value of
the x-offset:
moveNH =
#(define-music-function (parser location offset)
(number?)
#{
\once \override NoteHead #'extra-offset = #'($offset . 0)
#})
But I get a warning, that extra off-set hat to be of the type "pair of
numbers". It seems that I cannot only set one part of the pair from
outside, but I don´t want to say \moveNH #'(2 . 0) instead of \moveNH
#2 !
How can I solve this?
Dominic
2008/8/1 Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/7/31 Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> 2008/7/30 Joseph Haig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> An even more
>>> unfortunate side effect of this is that if you have long melimata the
>>> spacing gets messed up, because lilypond allocates a certain amount of
>>> space for each neume even though they are clustered together. You can
>>> see this in your example, where the notes above 'unheil' have too much
>>> space between them.
>>
>> That´s really ugly and I hope to find a way to solve it. Without that
>> problem the chant results are considerable - maybe because I don´t
>> have difficult constructs to typeset. Unaesthetic source code is
>> annoying, but unaesthetic output is unacceptable ...
>>
>
> As I have to complete some chants in the next days, I am willing to
> work with some tweaks to solve this, because I cannot wait for the
> time when LilyPond will do it itself. By now, I´m only able to move
> the lyrics to better positioned under a melismata. I only set \once
> \override LyricText #'X-offset = #-1 before the corresponding syllable
> and this works quite good. But moving the next notehead to left isn´t
> possible by now.
>
> I tried to set \once \override NoteHead #'X-offset = #-1 before the
> note being printed after the melisma, but it only takes effect if you
> give positive values to it. The the offset gets bigger, but giving
> negative values doesn´t change anything.
> \once \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #5 obviously only works in
> polyphonic contexts, not here.
>
> What can I do?
>
> Dominic
>
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How to move noteheads to the left? (was: Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?)
2008/7/31 Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/7/30 Joseph Haig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> An even more >> unfortunate side effect of this is that if you have long melimata the >> spacing gets messed up, because lilypond allocates a certain amount of >> space for each neume even though they are clustered together. You can >> see this in your example, where the notes above 'unheil' have too much >> space between them. > > That´s really ugly and I hope to find a way to solve it. Without that > problem the chant results are considerable - maybe because I don´t > have difficult constructs to typeset. Unaesthetic source code is > annoying, but unaesthetic output is unacceptable ... > As I have to complete some chants in the next days, I am willing to work with some tweaks to solve this, because I cannot wait for the time when LilyPond will do it itself. By now, I´m only able to move the lyrics to better positioned under a melismata. I only set \once \override LyricText #'X-offset = #-1 before the corresponding syllable and this works quite good. But moving the next notehead to left isn´t possible by now. I tried to set \once \override NoteHead #'X-offset = #-1 before the note being printed after the melisma, but it only takes effect if you give positive values to it. The the offset gets bigger, but giving negative values doesn´t change anything. \once \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #5 obviously only works in polyphonic contexts, not here. What can I do? Dominic ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
2008/7/30 Joseph Haig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/7/29 Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Okay, then it breaks already after the fourth note ... this doesn´t help >> much. >> Now I added some more \noBreak commands after other notes and now it >> fits into one line. >> That´s not what I would call a "clean solution" ... :-/ >> > > I haven't played with chant in lilypond for a while, but I think I > remember that it still uses the default time signature (4/4) and note > length (crochet or quarter-note) even though these don't mean anything > in this notation. What you are seeing is the line being broken at the > (unprinted) bar lines, which occur every 4 crochet notes. (Note that > the podatus on 'un-' of 'unheil' is two notes.) > An even more > unfortunate side effect of this is that if you have long melimata the > spacing gets messed up, because lilypond allocates a certain amount of > space for each neume even though they are clustered together. You can > see this in your example, where the notes above 'unheil' have too much > space between them. That´s really ugly and I hope to find a way to solve it. Without that problem the chant results are considerable - maybe because I don´t have difficult constructs to typeset. Unaesthetic source code is annoying, but unaesthetic output is unacceptable ... > > I found that there was no real 'clean solution'. I tended to have a > lot of \bar "" commands after various notes more or less around the > place where I expected line breaks to occur. Unfortunately, I don't > think chant is very high on the list of priorities with the developers > and, to be fair, there probably isn't really a compelling reason why > it should be. I did have a look at it once but I don't know enough > about scheme, python or chant notation to be able to get very far. You´re right with the default time signature working inside. I tried to fight it with the same weapons: I´ve set \time 1/4 at the beginning and so I don´t have to type many times \bar "" and this really works well! Dominic ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
2008/7/29 Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Okay, then it breaks already after the fourth note ... this doesn´t help much. > Now I added some more \noBreak commands after other notes and now it > fits into one line. > That´s not what I would call a "clean solution" ... :-/ > I haven't played with chant in lilypond for a while, but I think I remember that it still uses the default time signature (4/4) and note length (crochet or quarter-note) even though these don't mean anything in this notation. What you are seeing is the line being broken at the (unprinted) bar lines, which occur every 4 crochet notes. (Note that the podatus on 'un-' of 'unheil' is two notes.) An even more unfortunate side effect of this is that if you have long melimata the spacing gets messed up, because lilypond allocates a certain amount of space for each neume even though they are clustered together. You can see this in your example, where the notes above 'unheil' have too much space between them. I found that there was no real 'clean solution'. I tended to have a lot of \bar "" commands after various notes more or less around the place where I expected line breaks to occur. Unfortunately, I don't think chant is very high on the list of priorities with the developers and, to be fair, there probably isn't really a compelling reason why it should be. I did have a look at it once but I don't know enough about scheme, python or chant notation to be able to get very far. Regards, Joe ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
2008/7/29 Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Okay, then it breaks already after the fourth note ... this doesn´t help much. > Now I added some more \noBreak commands after other notes and now it > fits into one line. > That´s not what I would call a "clean solution" ... :-/ You can use system-count to control exactly how many lines the music should be fitted in, e.g. system-count = #1 in the \paper or \layout section. Perhaps you also want to have ragged-last = ##f to have the last line fill the page width. This needs to go in the \layout section to work. -- Sven Axelsson ++[>++>+++>++>++ ><-]>.+..>+.>+.<<-.>>+.>.<<. +++.>-.<<++.>>.<++.>>>++..>>.<. <>___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
Okay, then it breaks already after the fourth note ... this doesn´t help much.
Now I added some more \noBreak commands after other notes and now it
fits into one line.
That´s not what I would call a "clean solution" ... :-/
Dominic
2008/7/29 Thomas Scharkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I don't have an annswer, but just ad a \noBreak after the c.
> Thomas
>
>> Thanks for your quick answer - it works good!
>>
>> Now I´ve got the problem, that I cannot press this short piece into
>> one line. I use a special paper size because these songs will be
>> printed in a small songbook. Can you give me a hint why I can scale
>> everything down but LilyPond inserts a break everytime even if there´s
>> obviously enough space to print it in only one line?
>>
>> Is there a simple way to place the star symbol exactly under the
>> breathe symbol?
>>
>> Thanks, Dominic
>>
>>
>> \version "2.11.44"
>> \include "gregorian-init.ly"
>>
>> #(set-global-staff-size 10)
>>
>> \score {
>> <<
>> \new VaticanaVoice = "cantus" {
>> \clef "vaticana-do3"
>> f f d c \[ f \pes g \] f \breathe
>> g g a f f \finalis
>> \break
>> }
>> \new Lyrics \lyricsto "cantus" {
>> Ich fürch -- te kein Un -- _ "heil: *"
>> du bist ja bei mir.
>> }
>> >>
>> }
>>
>> \paper {
>> line-width = 9\cm
>> paper-width = 94\mm
>> paper-height = 135\mm
>> top-margin = 2\mm
>> bottom-margin = 2\mm
>> head-separation = 0\mm
>> foot-separation = 0\mm
>> page-top-space = 0\mm
>> between-system-space = 0\mm
>> between-system-padding = 2\mm
>>
>> ragged-bottom = ##t
>> ragged-last-bottom = ##f
>> print-page-number = ##f
>> }
>>
>> 2008/7/29 Joseph Haig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > Support for Gregorian Chant is not great in Lilypond, unfortunately,
>> > but you can use it for simple things.
>> >
>> > For bar lines, you want to use the special commands that are set up
>> > by gregorian-init.ly. Specifically, the double bar line is
>> > \finalis. See section 7.7.9 (Divisiones) for the whole list. I
>> > think you will still need to use \bar "" to indicate places where
>> > the line can be split.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > 2008/7/29 Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I´m new to gregorian typesetting but I´ve seen that there´s already
>> >> support for it in LilyPond. Can you tell me how I can add a double
>> >> bar at the end?
>> >>
>> >> And there is a wrong note at the end? How can I delete it?
>> >>
>> >> Is it at all a good idea to start typesetting gregorian chants with
>> >> LilyPond or are there too many diffulcuties by now?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Dominic
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> \version "2.11.44"
>> >> \include "gregorian-init.ly"
>> >>
>> >> \score {
>> >><<
>> >>\new VaticanaVoice = "cantus" {
>> >>\clef "vaticana-do3"
>> >>f f d c \[ f \pes g \] f \breathe
>> >>g g a f f \bar "||"
>> >>}
>> >>\new Lyrics \lyricsto "cantus" {
>> >>Ich fürch -- te kein Un -- _ "heil: *"
>> >>du bist ja bei mir.
>> >>}
>> >>>>
>> >> }
>> >>
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Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
I don't have an annswer, but just ad a \noBreak after the c.
Thomas
> Thanks for your quick answer - it works good!
>
> Now I´ve got the problem, that I cannot press this short piece into
> one line. I use a special paper size because these songs will be
> printed in a small songbook. Can you give me a hint why I can scale
> everything down but LilyPond inserts a break everytime even if there´s
> obviously enough space to print it in only one line?
>
> Is there a simple way to place the star symbol exactly under the
> breathe symbol?
>
> Thanks, Dominic
>
>
> \version "2.11.44"
> \include "gregorian-init.ly"
>
> #(set-global-staff-size 10)
>
> \score {
> <<
> \new VaticanaVoice = "cantus" {
> \clef "vaticana-do3"
> f f d c \[ f \pes g \] f \breathe
> g g a f f \finalis
> \break
> }
> \new Lyrics \lyricsto "cantus" {
> Ich fürch -- te kein Un -- _ "heil: *"
> du bist ja bei mir.
> }
> >>
> }
>
> \paper {
> line-width = 9\cm
> paper-width = 94\mm
> paper-height = 135\mm
> top-margin = 2\mm
> bottom-margin = 2\mm
> head-separation = 0\mm
> foot-separation = 0\mm
> page-top-space = 0\mm
> between-system-space = 0\mm
> between-system-padding = 2\mm
>
> ragged-bottom = ##t
> ragged-last-bottom = ##f
> print-page-number = ##f
> }
>
> 2008/7/29 Joseph Haig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Support for Gregorian Chant is not great in Lilypond, unfortunately,
> > but you can use it for simple things.
> >
> > For bar lines, you want to use the special commands that are set up
> > by gregorian-init.ly. Specifically, the double bar line is
> > \finalis. See section 7.7.9 (Divisiones) for the whole list. I
> > think you will still need to use \bar "" to indicate places where
> > the line can be split.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > 2008/7/29 Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I´m new to gregorian typesetting but I´ve seen that there´s already
> >> support for it in LilyPond. Can you tell me how I can add a double
> >> bar at the end?
> >>
> >> And there is a wrong note at the end? How can I delete it?
> >>
> >> Is it at all a good idea to start typesetting gregorian chants with
> >> LilyPond or are there too many diffulcuties by now?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Dominic
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> \version "2.11.44"
> >> \include "gregorian-init.ly"
> >>
> >> \score {
> >><<
> >>\new VaticanaVoice = "cantus" {
> >>\clef "vaticana-do3"
> >>f f d c \[ f \pes g \] f \breathe
> >>g g a f f \bar "||"
> >>}
> >>\new Lyrics \lyricsto "cantus" {
> >>Ich fürch -- te kein Un -- _ "heil: *"
> >>du bist ja bei mir.
> >>}
> >>>>
> >> }
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Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
Thanks for your quick answer - it works good!
Now I´ve got the problem, that I cannot press this short piece into
one line. I use a special paper size because these songs will be
printed in a small songbook. Can you give me a hint why I can scale
everything down but LilyPond inserts a break everytime even if there´s
obviously enough space to print it in only one line?
Is there a simple way to place the star symbol exactly under the breathe symbol?
Thanks, Dominic
\version "2.11.44"
\include "gregorian-init.ly"
#(set-global-staff-size 10)
\score {
<<
\new VaticanaVoice = "cantus" {
\clef "vaticana-do3"
f f d c \[ f \pes g \] f \breathe
g g a f f \finalis
\break
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "cantus" {
Ich fürch -- te kein Un -- _ "heil: *"
du bist ja bei mir.
}
>>
}
\paper {
line-width = 9\cm
paper-width = 94\mm
paper-height = 135\mm
top-margin = 2\mm
bottom-margin = 2\mm
head-separation = 0\mm
foot-separation = 0\mm
page-top-space = 0\mm
between-system-space = 0\mm
between-system-padding = 2\mm
ragged-bottom = ##t
ragged-last-bottom = ##f
print-page-number = ##f
}
2008/7/29 Joseph Haig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Support for Gregorian Chant is not great in Lilypond, unfortunately,
> but you can use it for simple things.
>
> For bar lines, you want to use the special commands that are set up by
> gregorian-init.ly. Specifically, the double bar line is \finalis.
> See section 7.7.9 (Divisiones) for the whole list. I think you will
> still need to use \bar "" to indicate places where the line can be
> split.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe
>
> 2008/7/29 Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I´m new to gregorian typesetting but I´ve seen that there´s already
>> support for it in LilyPond.
>> Can you tell me how I can add a double bar at the end?
>>
>> And there is a wrong note at the end? How can I delete it?
>>
>> Is it at all a good idea to start typesetting gregorian chants with
>> LilyPond or are there too many diffulcuties by now?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dominic
>>
>>
>>
>> \version "2.11.44"
>> \include "gregorian-init.ly"
>>
>> \score {
>><<
>>\new VaticanaVoice = "cantus" {
>>\clef "vaticana-do3"
>>f f d c \[ f \pes g \] f \breathe
>>g g a f f \bar "||"
>>}
>>\new Lyrics \lyricsto "cantus" {
>>Ich fürch -- te kein Un -- _ "heil: *"
>>du bist ja bei mir.
>>}
>>>>
>> }
>>
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Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?
Support for Gregorian Chant is not great in Lilypond, unfortunately,
but you can use it for simple things.
For bar lines, you want to use the special commands that are set up by
gregorian-init.ly. Specifically, the double bar line is \finalis.
See section 7.7.9 (Divisiones) for the whole list. I think you will
still need to use \bar "" to indicate places where the line can be
split.
Regards,
Joe
2008/7/29 Dominic Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> I´m new to gregorian typesetting but I´ve seen that there´s already
> support for it in LilyPond.
> Can you tell me how I can add a double bar at the end?
>
> And there is a wrong note at the end? How can I delete it?
>
> Is it at all a good idea to start typesetting gregorian chants with
> LilyPond or are there too many diffulcuties by now?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dominic
>
>
>
> \version "2.11.44"
> \include "gregorian-init.ly"
>
> \score {
><<
>\new VaticanaVoice = "cantus" {
>\clef "vaticana-do3"
>f f d c \[ f \pes g \] f \breathe
>g g a f f \bar "||"
>}
>\new Lyrics \lyricsto "cantus" {
>Ich fürch -- te kein Un -- _ "heil: *"
>du bist ja bei mir.
>}
>>>
> }
>
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