RE: Object hierarchy in LilyPond?
Quoting "arjan.bos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van:Simon Dahlbacka On 5/10/06, Erik Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There's a lot of data used in lily. It would require quite some effort to build the model you're suggesting, and someone would need to maintain the model (which is changing all the time). I think all the current developers have better things to do, but I nothing stops you from writing such documentation. the only sane way to do such a thing would be to auto-generate the data by parsing the source or something so it would be updated "with the click of a button". Personally, I don't have the extra time to build such a scraping tool.. There is no need to write one. I got myself the lily source of cvs and downloaded Doxygen. This creates lots of nice graphs and object hierarchies from the .cc and .hh files. It also shows links between and even definitions of the classes. Unfortunately, you won't get very wise if you only look at the C++ class structure, since lots of the implementation is done in Scheme. This whole thread is getting very confused, since some people talk about implementation structure, whereas others talk about the context/layout object structure that the user sees when he wants to set a property. /Mats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Object hierarchy in LilyPond?
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 08:11, Simon Dahlbacka wrote: > On 5/10/06, Erik Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Monday 08 May 2006 19:30, Arjan Bos wrote: > > > On 6 mei 2006, at 21:20, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > > > > Quoting Erik Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:06, Tomas Valusek wrote: > > > > > > > > Or the context hierarchy or which engravers are included in each > > > > context > > > > or which objects are created by which engraver (or context) or ... > > > > > > What I would like to see is a model of all the data being used within > > > LilyPond, > > > > There's a lot of data used in lily. It would require quite some effort to > > build the model you're suggesting, and someone would need to maintain the > > model (which is changing all the time). I think all the current > > developers have better things to do, but I nothing stops you from writing > > such documentation. > > the only sane way to do such a thing would be to auto-generate the data by > parsing the source or something so it would be updated "with the click of a > button". Personally, I don't have the extra time to build such a scraping > tool.. Such documentation exists, see Program Reference in the manual. -- Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Object hierarchy in LilyPond?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van:Simon Dahlbacka >> On 5/10/06, Erik Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> There's a lot of data used in lily. It would require quite some effort to >> build the model you're suggesting, and someone would need to maintain the >> model (which is changing all the time). I think all the current developers >> have better things to do, but I nothing stops you from writing such >> documentation. > the only sane way to do such a thing would be to auto-generate the data by > parsing the source or something so it would be updated "with the click of a > button". Personally, I don't have the extra time to build such a scraping > tool.. There is no need to write one. I got myself the lily source of cvs and downloaded Doxygen. This creates lots of nice graphs and object hierarchies from the .cc and .hh files. It also shows links between and even definitions of the classes. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Object hierarchy in LilyPond?
On Monday 08 May 2006 19:30, Arjan Bos wrote: > On 6 mei 2006, at 21:20, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > > Quoting Erik Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:06, Tomas Valusek wrote: > > Or the context hierarchy or which engravers are included in each > > context > > or which objects are created by which engraver (or context) or ... > > What I would like to see is a model of all the data being used within > LilyPond, There's a lot of data used in lily. It would require quite some effort to build the model you're suggesting, and someone would need to maintain the model (which is changing all the time). I think all the current developers have better things to do, but I nothing stops you from writing such documentation. -- Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Object hierarchy in LilyPond?
On 6 mei 2006, at 21:20, Mats Bengtsson wrote: Quoting Erik Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:06, Tomas Valusek wrote: Hello, I'm trying to figure out an overall object hierarchy of LilyPond. The only way I've discovered so far is to traverse programmers guide and follow links. But this is very tedious, since if I want to get something done in non-default way, this approach is very confusing. I don't understand. Do you want to see, for each grob type, which tweakable grob properties it has? Or do you want to create a graph that shows which grobs that belong to which interfaces? Or the context hierarchy or which engravers are included in each context or which objects are created by which engraver (or context) or ... What I would like to see is a model of all the data being used within LilyPond, where each attribute and each entity is clearly and unambiguously defined. This should give a clear definition of the properties that can be set. In a later stage this could then be mapped to Objects to form a process model. (At least in theory). This mapping might learn us when we can set those properties (using \set or \override). --- No matter what she did with her hair it took about three minutes for it to tangle itself up again, like a garden hosepipe in a shed [Which, no matter how carefully coiled, will always uncoil overnight and tie the lawnmower to the bicycles]. -- (Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Object hierarchy in LilyPond?
Quoting Erik Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:06, Tomas Valusek wrote: Hello, I'm trying to figure out an overall object hierarchy of LilyPond. The only way I've discovered so far is to traverse programmers guide and follow links. But this is very tedious, since if I want to get something done in non-default way, this approach is very confusing. Could someone please prepare series of charts starting at the reasonable abstract level and ending with hierarchy of all LilyPond object, contexts and however tha various LilyPond parts are named? I don't understand. Do you want to see, for each grob type, which tweakable grob properties it has? Or do you want to create a graph that shows which grobs that belong to which interfaces? Or the context hierarchy or which engravers are included in each context or which objects are created by which engraver (or context) or ... /Mats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Object hierarchy in LilyPond?
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:06, Tomas Valusek wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to figure out an overall object hierarchy of LilyPond. The > only way I've discovered so far is to traverse programmers guide and > follow links. But this is very tedious, since if I want to get something > done in non-default way, this approach is very confusing. > > Could someone please prepare series of charts starting at the reasonable > abstract level and ending with hierarchy of all LilyPond object, > contexts and however tha various LilyPond parts are named? I don't understand. Do you want to see, for each grob type, which tweakable grob properties it has? Or do you want to create a graph that shows which grobs that belong to which interfaces? -- Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Object hierarchy in LilyPond?
Hello, I'm trying to figure out an overall object hierarchy of LilyPond. The only way I've discovered so far is to traverse programmers guide and follow links. But this is very tedious, since if I want to get something done in non-default way, this approach is very confusing. Could someone please prepare series of charts starting at the reasonable abstract level and ending with hierarchy of all LilyPond object, contexts and however tha various LilyPond parts are named? Thank you. Tomas Valusek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
