Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.4

2012-03-15 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Wilbert Berendsen wbs...@xs4all.nl wrote:
 Tab and Shift-tab handle the indent, Ctrl+I inserts a plain Tab.

Yeah, I think Ctrl-I as in re-indent the selected part was a
LilyPondTool/jEdit thing.

Speaking of confusing shortcuts: Ctrl-D used to mean comment this
line (that's the default in Kate I think), now it means Delete -
I've inadvertently lost a few lines because of that :-)

 To keep Frescobaldi simple its indenting defaults to the
 LilyPond-recommended way of indenting. But you can override the
 behaviour by placing document variables in the document (see
 manual-editor-document variables).

Wow. Wouldn't have thought of that.

 I put much love in the PDF view to make it better than the old one (I
 hope ;-) You can copy images: drag a square with the right button or
 Shift-left button, and then choose Copy to Image in the context menu
 or the Edit menu. It even copies images in a specified DPI setting,
 instead of the current scale! You can drag both the image or the
 image's file, and also specify the antialiasing, background color
 (which in the Copy to Image dialog defaults to white :-) and whether
 to auto-crop the image.

OK. I had missed the menu entry.

 And did you notice the magnifying glass? Ctrl+Click in the Music View!

I did not. I only used Ctrl-mousewheel (it wouldn't have occured to me ;)

 The old pdf view did not support finding point and click objects (due to
 Okular limitations), but the new one has: Ctrl+J highlights the object
 the text cursor is at.

Yes, that must be the most welcome new feature.

Plus, since I rarely have a mouse (I'm running ratpoison these days),
I've come to realize that Frescobaldi can be easily be controlled with
the keyboard only!

 I tried to make the config pages simple and not too crowded. But I think
 an 'Editor' page is needed, with settings related to editing behaviour,
 indenting etc.

That's what I'd be expecting to see, indeed.

 Please take a look at the snippets manager, it is quite powerful and
 also powers the File-New from template menu. It has support for python
 scripts as well and some nice default snippets. A larger library could
 be put on the Frescobaldi website.

Yeah, I should consider using it for quick tuplets and stuff.

 There is: see www.frescobaldi.org/download . The Windows installer
 works very well! I have no Mac to test and build a Mac installer.
 But users are using Frescobaldi on Mac OS X and it works.

Cool. I hope to see a Mac application available for download soon!

 Yes there are many French translators, and I can't see which which
 translations are the best. It would be nice if someone with good
 understanding of LilyPond and Frescobaldi and translating desktop
 applications could 'govern' the French translation :-)

Well, I'd be happy to :-)

Keep up the good work!

Cheers,
V.

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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.4

2012-03-14 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote:
 I think this is a matter of default settings and easily adjustable.

It probably is (not sure about the PDF background, though); I was just
testifying about the first-look appearance, with default colors.

 Ctrl+H or Edit- Replace

Indeed. Since it wasn't to be found where I was used to, I overlooked it.
(It's Ctrl-R on my distro.)

 Well there is a terminal in tools menu.

Ditto. (Still can't find it in 2.0.2, it must be a recent addition.)

 It is, go to LilyPond Preferences and set Save If Possible.

Oh, yet another thing Wilbert had already thought of. (I had seen this
option but didn't quite understand it before.)

 - the PDF preview offers less features than before (thanks to the kpdf
 component I could just select an area with the right-button and copy
 it as an image).

 I can do that with current version.

I stand corrected. (I guess I hadn't even tried as soon as I saw it
wasn't KDE's PDF component anymore...)

 Are we talking about the same program? There's been a Windows port for
 a time now. I gave a talk for my colleagues and installed Fresco+Lily
 in minutes for all.

Nice. (Wilbert should definitely provide self-contained Lily+Fresco
bundles, that has the potential to be a huge success!)

Okay then, I guess I'll have to go and write a new review for the LilyReport :-)

Thanks for your reply,
Valentin.

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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.4

2012-03-14 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/3/14 Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net:
 On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote:
 I think this is a matter of default settings and easily adjustable.

 It probably is (not sure about the PDF background, though);

Attached. :-)
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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.4

2012-03-14 Thread Wilbert Berendsen
Hi all,

Thanks go to Valentin for taking the time for a consise first
review :-) Here are some answers to questions and additions.

Also note that F2 is only one year old and should be developed further,
I think it has a very solid code foundation right now with Python and
Qt4. :)

Op Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:07:41 +0100
Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net schreef:

 - aesthetically speaking, the difference is huge and the interface
 looks a lot less pretty (pinkish background in the PDF preview: wtf?).

This can be adjusted (of course :-) although I'm all in favor of a
better default value!

 - the source code window sports less pleasant colors (plain
 blue/red/black instead of KDE's pastel tones).

The default colors can be changed. I based my colors on the KDE ones,
but I probably used to have a different color scheme in KDE :-)

There is theme support for the color scheme. But I probably should
implement importing/exporting schemes, so some nice color schemes could
make it to the Frescobaldi website!

 - the search function is now just that: no searchreplace.

There is Edit-Replace. It also support regular expressions and
replacing in the selection.

 - no more tabs on the side and the bottom: making frames
 appear/disappear is a lot less intuitive: you have to **close**
 frames, not merely **hide** them (I was used to hiding the log window,
 but closing it makes less sense to me -- sure, I could just use the
 keyboard shortcut but then I'd have to learn it first ;-)

Yes the tabs were nice, but the Qt-provided dock widgets are more
flexible in layout: you can drag the tools in rows or columns, or drop
one tool on another to make a tabbed tool view.

 - no more terminal frame (unlike LilyPondTool, where the log window
 may be used as a terminal emulator).

There is a command Tools-Open Command Prompt that opens a terminal
window in the correct directory. But a built-in console could be
implemented, maybe even combining a operating system shell and a Python
shell to test new Frescobaldi features.

 - no more integrated file browser (the documents frame isn't half
 as useful)

A filebrowser would certainly be nice. Currently I just use Ctrl+O :)
and also the Sessions menu.

 - the new Compile but don't save behavior is quite surprising (and
 I've found myself loosing more than one score because of it). I'm not
 saying it's bad or absurd, it's just unexpected (and should be
 optional IMO).

This behaviour is the same as in Frescobaldi 1, but you can force
Frescobaldi to save a document first by checking the Save
document if possible option in the LilyPond preferences. This saves
the document if it is modified and has already a filename.

 - the intelligent-indenting awesomeness now looks a bit less
 intelligent. (Where's my Ctrl-I?)

Tab and Shift-tab handle the indent, Ctrl+I inserts a plain Tab.

To keep Frescobaldi simple its indenting defaults to the
LilyPond-recommended way of indenting. But you can override the
behaviour by placing document variables in the document (see
manual-editor-document variables).

 - the PDF preview offers less features than before (thanks to the kpdf
 component I could just select an area with the right-button and copy
 it as an image).

I put much love in the PDF view to make it better than the old one (I
hope ;-) You can copy images: drag a square with the right button or
Shift-left button, and then choose Copy to Image in the context menu
or the Edit menu. It even copies images in a specified DPI setting,
instead of the current scale! You can drag both the image or the
image's file, and also specify the antialiasing, background color
(which in the Copy to Image dialog defaults to white :-) and whether
to auto-crop the image.

And did you notice the magnifying glass? Ctrl+Click in the Music View!

The old pdf view did not support finding point and click objects (due to
Okular limitations), but the new one has: Ctrl+J highlights the object
the text cursor is at.

 - the MIDI player looks gorgeous (but I never use it).

It has some nice features: it displays the current measure number and
the time. You can quickly find music by dragging the timer knob.

 - the Preferences window has more colors and icons, but somehow feels
 less complete (a lot of the old one was Kate's preferences, where you
 could fine-tune your level of indenting, etc.)

I tried to make the config pages simple and not too crowded. But I think
an 'Editor' page is needed, with settings related to editing behaviour,
indenting etc.

 That being said, there still are a lot of nice touches and
 afterthoughts that embody the Frescobaldi spirit and show how
 generously and intelligently you care about your users' every need or
 whim: snippets, special chars, run LilyPond with English messages,
 etc. It's so brillantly thought it's disarming.

Please take a look at the snippets manager, it is quite powerful and
also powers the File-New from template menu. It has support for python
scripts as well and some 

Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.4

2012-03-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Wilbert Berendsen wbs...@xs4all.nl wrote:
 And did you notice the magnifying glass? Ctrl+Click in the Music View!

Very cool!
May i suggest making it's default settings 600 px wide and 350% zoom?

cheers,
Janek

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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.4

2012-03-14 Thread Wilbert Berendsen
Op Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:07:06 +0100
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com schreef:

 Very cool!
 May i suggest making it's default settings 600 px wide and 350% zoom?

What is a nice magnifier size and scale depends on the screen size. I
use Frescobaldi on an Asus EEEPC with 1024*600 :) So I think one must
just go once through the Frescobaldi settings pages and hack it all up
to your liking :)

With best!

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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.4

2012-03-14 Thread Wilbert Berendsen
Op Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:18:47 +0100
Wilbert Berendsen wbs...@xs4all.nl schreef:

  - no more integrated file browser (the documents frame isn't half
  as useful)  
 
 A filebrowser would certainly be nice. Currently I just use Ctrl+O :)
 and also the Sessions menu.

Replying to self: Frescobaldi 1.2 had no filebrowser; you probably are
thinking of the Kate filebrowser back in the old days when LilyKDE
(Frescobaldi's predecessor) was a Kate plugin.

But I have been thinking of adding a fileview of the current document's
directory, where clicking a .LY file would open it, and
clicking PDF's or MIDI's would open them. This would ease dragging
files out of Frescobaldi. Although you can also drag the PDF or MIDI
just by dragging the icon from the toolbar or MIDI player.

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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.4

2012-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Wilbert Berendsen wbs...@xs4all.nl writes:

 Op Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:07:06 +0100
 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com schreef:

 Very cool!
 May i suggest making it's default settings 600 px wide and 350% zoom?

 What is a nice magnifier size and scale depends on the screen size.

xdpyinfo
[...]
screen #0:
  dimensions:1280x800 pixels (339x212 millimeters)
  resolution:96x96 dots per inch
[...]

 I use Frescobaldi on an Asus EEEPC with 1024*600 :) So I think one
 must just go once through the Frescobaldi settings pages and hack it
 all up to your liking :)

Most windowing systems provide the respective data for a good first
educated guess.

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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.4

2012-03-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:43 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
 Wilbert Berendsen wbs...@xs4all.nl writes:

 Op Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:07:06 +0100
 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com schreef:

 Very cool!
 May i suggest making it's default settings 600 px wide and 350% zoom?

 What is a nice magnifier size and scale depends on the screen size.

True.

 xdpyinfo
 [...]
 screen #0:
  dimensions:    1280x800 pixels (339x212 millimeters)
  resolution:    96x96 dots per inch
 [...]

 I use Frescobaldi on an Asus EEEPC with 1024*600 :) So I think one
 must just go once through the Frescobaldi settings pages and hack it
 all up to your liking :)

 Most windowing systems provide the respective data for a good first
 educated guess.

That would be nice.

cheers,
Janek

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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.4

2012-03-13 Thread Francisco Vila
I did not use (or do not remember to) the KDE version and do not
'miss' all those things, but

2012/3/13 Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net:
 - aesthetically speaking, the difference is huge and the interface
 looks a lot less pretty (pinkish background in the PDF preview: wtf?).

I think this is a matter of default settings and easily adjustable.

 - the source code window sports less pleasant colors (plain
 blue/red/black instead of KDE's pastel tones).

Same.

 - the search function is now just that: no searchreplace.

Ctrl+H or Edit- Replace

 - no more terminal frame (unlike LilyPondTool, where the log window
 may be used as a terminal emulator).

Well there is a terminal in tools menu.

 - the new Compile but don't save behavior is quite surprising (and
 I've found myself loosing more than one score because of it). I'm not
 saying it's bad or absurd, it's just unexpected (and should be
 optional IMO).

It is, go to LilyPond Preferences and set Save If Possible.

 - the intelligent-indenting awesomeness now looks a bit less
 intelligent. (Where's my Ctrl-I?)

I have configured Ctrl-Alt-I for tools-Indent and everything indents
nicely at a keystroke

 - the PDF preview offers less features than before (thanks to the kpdf
 component I could just select an area with the right-button and copy
 it as an image).

I can do that with current version.

 Now, I can't wait to see a Windows and Mac port (that could embed a
 ready-to-run LilyPond distribution, by the way)!

Are we talking about the same program? There's been a Windows port for
a time now. I gave a talk for my colleagues and installed Fresco+Lily
in minutes for all.

Cheers,
-- 
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www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com

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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.4

2012-03-12 Thread Wilbert Berendsen
Op Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:50:40 +0100
Wilbert Berendsen wbs...@xs4all.nl schreef:

 the first commit is of Nov 11, 2012

sorry, must be 2010 or course :)

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