Re: Anacrusis in multiple tunes on page
Patrick or Cynthia Karl mac.com> writes:
>
> Recently you posted:
>
> What I am trying to do is is to put multiple tunes on a single page
> as for a "set" of tunes for a dance. The problem that I'm having is
> that many of these tunes start both the "A" part and the "B" part
> with an anacrusis and end the part with a shorter measure to
> make the number of beats work out.
> and Keith OHara responded:
> >
> > From what you wrote I see no problem,
> I think what he means is that your "more or less minimal example".
> doesn't throw any warning or error messages in LilyPond 2.18.0.
I also meant that I saw no problem for LilyPond 2.18 to handle what
he described in text. In traditional music, all the measures are the
same length, but sometimes the logical "A" and "B" parts begin a
fraction of a measure early, or repeats happen in the middle of a
measure.
> music = \relative b' {
> \partial 4 c4
> c1
> \break
> \partial 4 d4
> d1 }
This looks like it has five beats in a measure. We don't want to dance
to that. We want to finish the first tune in time to start the pickup
for the next tune in rhythm, so the tunes fit into a set.
\relative b' {
\partial 4 c4
c2. \bar"!" \break
d4 d1 }
Maybe new LilyPond will allow you to put \partial in the middle of a
piece, but we do not want to use \partial in the middle of a piece.
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Re: Anacrusis in multiple tunes on page
Recently you posted:
> It seems clear to me that I am mis-formatting something.
>
> What I am trying to do is is to put multiple tunes on a single page
> as for a "set" of tunes for a dance. The problem that I'm having is
> that many of these tunes start both the "A" part and the "B" part
> with an anacrusis and end the part with a shorter measure to
> make the number of beats work out.
>
> Partial works fine for the initial anacrusis, but if the piece has multiple
> parts, each with an anacrusis, the processor complains about the
> subsequent \partial directives. It also doesn't much like a \partial
> at the end of the section.
>
> I've tried just leaving them out, but the programmer in me does not
> like the warning messages that result.
>
> I've noticed that I can account for the missing beats with "s" and the
> missing time, but this results in unnecessary whitespace and throws
> the overall note spacing out.
>
> Is there an alternative to "s" that would allow Lilypond to account for
> the missing beats without adding space that I do not want?
>
> More or less minimal example follows -- I've left in the directive blocks
> on the off chance that there's something there or missing from there
> that would influence the problem.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Don
and Keith Ohara responded:
> From what you wrote I see no problem,
I think what he means is that your "more or less minimal example" doesn't throw
any warning or error messages in LilyPond 2.18.0. Here is a minimal example:
\version "2.18.0"
\paper { ragged-right = ##t }
music = \relative b' {
\partial 4 c4
c1
\break
\partial 4 d4
d1
}
\score {
\music
\layout {}
}
which does throw the warning:
Interpreting music...
SpuriousPartialWarning.ly:11:3: warning: trying to use \partial after the start
of a piece
\partial 4 d4
I think the difference is that your anacruces(?) are in different scores, while
mine are in the same score.
The good news is that the above snippet doesn't throw any warning messages at
2.19.15. So you could upgrade to that or wait for 2.20 to be released.
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Re: Anacrusis in multiple tunes on page
Don Gingrich internode.on.net> writes:
> Partial works fine for the initial anacrusis, but if the piece has multiple
> parts, each with an anacrusis, the processor complains about the
> subsequent \partial directives. It also doesn't much like a \partial
> at the end of the section.
>
> I've tried just leaving them out, but the programmer in me does not
> like the warning messages that result.
>
>From what you wrote I see no problem, and in traditional music,
I would expect you need only the \partial at the beginning of each tune,
because the meter continues unbroken within the peice.
So I am guessing that you might think that you need to use partial
whenever a visible measure is incomplete. You can end repeats
and place barlines mid-measure whenever you like.
<<
\new ChordNames { s4 g2.*3 d2. s2 }
\new Voice \transpose c c' {
\time 3/4 \partial 4
\repeat volta 2 { c'4 g2. g2.
g2 }
b4 d2. d2 \bar "|." } >>
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RE: Anacrusis
Mr. Payne: Read the documentation. It is an addition to 2.17 that is not in 2.16.2 which is the one that I regularly use. Mark From: Nick Payne [mailto:nick.pa...@internode.on.net] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:56 PM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Anacrusis On 08/09/13 15:02, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: Mr. Payne, Perfect! Thank you. I assume that the "-5/16" means that the measure starts 5/16 before the end. Correct? See the NR section on upbeats: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/displaying-rhythms# upbeats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Anacrusis
Jim:
Thank you for your reply and the second way to accomplish the partial
measure.
Mark
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From: Jim Long [mailto:lilyp...@umpquanet.com]
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To: Mark Stephen Mrotek
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Anacrusis
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 08:28:52PM -0700, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote:
> Hello:
>
> A partial measure contains 1 and 1/16 beat. How is that notated in the
> command "\partial?"
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mark
You say 1 and 1/16 *beat*, but I suspect you mean one quarter
*note* and one 16th *note*, correct? In 4/4 time, one 16th of a beat would
be a 64th note.
Assuming that you mean five 16th notes (one and one-quarter beats), the way
to do it with partial is
\partial note-duration * multiplier
or
\partial 16*5
Jim
\version "2.16.2"
\score {
\new Staff \relative e' {
\partial 16*5
e16 e e e e
a4 a a2
}
}
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Re: Anacrusis
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 08:28:52PM -0700, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote:
> Hello:
>
> A partial measure contains 1 and 1/16 beat. How is that notated in the
> command "\partial?"
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mark
You say 1 and 1/16 *beat*, but I suspect you mean one quarter
*note* and one 16th *note*, correct? In 4/4 time, one 16th of a
beat would be a 64th note.
Assuming that you mean five 16th notes (one and one-quarter
beats), the way to do it with partial is
\partial note-duration * multiplier
or
\partial 16*5
Jim
\version "2.16.2"
\score {
\new Staff \relative e' {
\partial 16*5
e16 e e e e
a4 a a2
}
}
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Re: Anacrusis
On 08/09/13 15:02, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: Mr. Payne, Perfect! Thank you. I assume that the "-5/16" means that the measure starts 5/16 before the end. Correct? See the NR section on upbeats: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/displaying-rhythms#upbeats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Anacrusis
Mr. Payne,
Perfect! Thank you. I assume that the "-5/16" means that the measure starts
5/16 before the end. Correct?
Mark
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Nick Payne
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 9:41 PM
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Anacrusis
On 08/09/13 13:28, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote:
Hello:
A partial measure contains 1 and 1/16 beat. How is that notated in the
command "\partial?"
Use Timing.measurePosition instead:
\version "2.17.25"
\relative c'' {
\set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment -5/16)
c4 c16 |
c1 c c
}
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Re: Anacrusis
On 08/09/13 13:28, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote:
Hello:
A partial measure contains 1 and 1/16 beat. How is that notated in the
command "\partial?"
Use Timing.measurePosition instead:
\version "2.17.25"
\relative c'' {
\set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment -5/16)
c4 c16 |
c1 c c
}
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RE: Anacrusis
Carl: Thank you for your reply and the reference. I shall read it. Mark From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 8:43 PM To: Mailinglist lilypond-user Subject: Re: Anacrusis On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: Hello: A partial measure contains 1 and 1/16 beat. How is that notated in the command "\partial?" Try \partial 16*17 *sigh*. Disregard my nonsense. I was thinking of something else. You're probably going to have to look at tweaking the time administration properties to trigger a bar when you want it. See http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/special-rhythmic-concer ns#time-administration. There might be a more direct way, but that's what comes to mind now that I've actually thought about it. Cadenza might also work here. Basically, declare a partial measure (\partial 4), then before you get to the end of the quarter note anacrusis, tell LilyPond to back up the measure position a 16th note using the commands in the linked section. Cheers, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anacrusis
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Mark Stephen Mrotek > wrote: > >> Hello: >> >> ** ** >> >> A partial measure contains 1 and 1/16 beat. How is that notated in the >> command “\partial?” >> >> ** >> > > Try \partial 16*17 > > *sigh*. Disregard my nonsense. I was thinking of something else. You're probably going to have to look at tweaking the time administration properties to trigger a bar when you want it. See http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/special-rhythmic-concerns#time-administration. There might be a more direct way, but that's what comes to mind now that I've actually thought about it. Cadenza might also work here. Basically, declare a partial measure (\partial 4), then before you get to the end of the quarter note anacrusis, tell LilyPond to back up the measure position a 16th note using the commands in the linked section. Cheers, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anacrusis
Manuel wrote: > Paul, are > > > anacrusis > > upbeat > > pickup > > > all commonly understood terms in english speaking countries? FWIW, as an American musician, I've never come across "anacrusis", but I'm not a professional musician or a composer. Tim Reeves ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
