Re: free LilyPond advertising
Some more usability notes. I'm only a folk singer and guitar player, but a professional typesetter. My first notation program was some crap that I got with an used Mac (forgot the name, it was discontinued). On Linux I tried some very early version of LilyPond but never got it to work (font issues, AFAIR). The same with MusiXTeX. For some years I worked with Harmony Assistant by Myriad. It's a rather cheap shareware and very good for its price - it has interesting audio features and its notation output is at least usable for print - but ugly in comparison to Finale or LilyPond. I can't play keyboard, therefore MIDI keyboard input is no way; placing notes with a mouse needs forever; character keyboard input is usable and fast, but limited. I really liked how I could copy paste passages and transpose (parts of) them with a few keystrokes. Lyrics handling was nasty and got other bugs to workaround with every version. You still find a lot of samples in my Liederliste homepage. Can't remember why I tried LilyPond in 2005 again - I guess I was looking for better printable notes. (I do a Unitarian church magazine that features a song in every issue.) Using TeX for some years and programming since age 14 I had no threshold using the command line interface. Until now I've good templates for my usual kind of work - folk songs with one or two voices or choir settings. For lyrics I sometimes have to use dirty tricks (e.g. if the number of syllables differs in a repeat), but otherwise I'm very happy. Note and chord input works often blindly typing and is rather fast. But LilyPond code is kind of a write only format - even with only one measure per line and some remarks inbetween it gets very hard to read or to find some stuff, and I miss a relation between the same measure in different voices, that makes debugging sometimes very hard. (point click often doesn't work right.) My former girlfriend, an Irish folk fiddler, could hardly read notes and was used to write down her tunes as c d e f g with spacing indicating note length. When I gave her a simple LilyPond template, she could stick with most of her habits and learned to use simple stuff like \repeat very fast, even if she didn't understand most computer stuff. So LilyPond *maybe* even good for beginners. ;-) My choir director uses Finale, and I guess he doesn't tweak much, so some parts of our choir notes are rather ugly, esp. lyrics alignment (as proven by the OP). No, I don't think I can convince him to use LilyPond ;-) And as I'm used to LilyPond's soft, classical engraving, I find Finale's just a bit too cool and pointy. And I guess his printer is too low-res... What I miss using LilyPond: - EPS or PDF output without unneccessary whitespace and without additional files! (for placement in a layout app or processing with TeX) - possibilities to tweak the MIDI for nicer results (not LilyPond's scope, I know) - automatic pickup measures in line breaks (no, Harmony can't do that, but I saw it in Capella) - save transposed parts as source - some special chord notation (after reading the latest discussion on jazz chords I guess my ideas are doable, though...) - simpler possibilities for additional lyrics below the scores (song sheets) - sound prehear with cursor in the note preview - better overview in longer parts (don't know how - code folding, measure counter...?) The last two would be features of an editor/previewer and not of LilyPond itself. Maybe jEdit/LPT can already do that, but most Java apps are just too slow on my old Mac G4, and I hate this typical Java GUI (Swing?)... Greetlings from Lake Constance --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
On 24 Feb 2008, at 21:46, Nicolas Sceaux wrote: I use a home made emacs mode, named lyqi, which makes it possible to enter notes and change their duration, alteration, octave, etc, with few key strokes, and with audio feedback. The page, with some source code, can be found here: http://nicolas.sceaux.free.fr/lilypond/lyqi.html I'm using a key map described here: http://nicolas.sceaux.free.fr/index.php/2006/07/01/8 On Mac OS X, keyboard layouts can be created using Ukelele http:// scripts.sil.org/ukelele, though I don't know if the sound generation is possible. :-) Hans Åberg ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
2008/2/25, Hans Aberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 24 Feb 2008, at 21:46, Nicolas Sceaux wrote: I'm using a key map described here: http://nicolas.sceaux.free.fr/index.php/2006/07/01/8 On Mac OS X, keyboard layouts can be created using Ukelele http:// scripts.sil.org/ukelele, though I don't know if the sound generation is possible. :-) As far as I can see, what Nicolas describes is definitely *not* possible with a OS keyboard layout; his interesting solution uses processing features of Emacs. (My homebrew OSX keymap is interesting, too, but doesn't speak LilyPond...) -- Grüßlinge vom Südsee! fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
On 25 Feb 2008, at 13:23, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: On Mac OS X, keyboard layouts can be created using Ukelele http:// scripts.sil.org/ukelele, though I don't know if the sound generation is possible. :-) As far as I can see, what Nicolas describes is definitely *not* possible with a OS keyboard layout; his interesting solution uses processing features of Emacs. (My homebrew OSX keymap is interesting, too, but doesn't speak LilyPond...) Producing strings might be possible. More advanced thing probably belong to the editor, not the keyboard map. Some like to use such with TeX, so perhaps TeXShop might do it. Otherwise, there is an AquaEmacs for the Aqua GUI, and an emacs-21 in Fink for X11, though I am not sure they handle UTF-8 well. Hans Åberg ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
Le samedi 23 février 2008 à 21:39 -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys a écrit : 2008/2/23, Andrew Hawryluk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-1.html Excellent analysis! I like these articles too! Rachmaninoff's prelude benchmarking is done with the same quality as in the essay on lilypond.org. Can someone (one of you documentation guys?) link to this from the website? as a news entry on the front-page and from the essay? Done! I also added a link in About - Publications. Cheers, John ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
Le dimanche 24 février 2008 à 20:31 -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys a écrit : Ok, here's the rub: we have this mechanism called concave beams, see http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/input/regression/collated-files#beam-concave.ly: [hmmm, the #filename links are broken; we get the full path name now. Is this something recent? John?] This has been so since a 2.11.x release (I don't remember), and I don't get this with compiling myself, this happens only with GUB. Since I don't build with GUB (yet), I don't know the cause of this problem; I've tried something in lys-to-tely.py, I'm not sure at all it will work. Cheers, John ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Le 25 févr. 08 à 14:11, Hans Aberg a écrit : On 25 Feb 2008, at 13:23, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: On Mac OS X, keyboard layouts can be created using Ukelele http:// scripts.sil.org/ukelele, though I don't know if the sound generation is possible. :-) As far as I can see, what Nicolas describes is definitely *not* possible with a OS keyboard layout; his interesting solution uses processing features of Emacs. (My homebrew OSX keymap is interesting, too, but doesn't speak LilyPond...) Producing strings might be possible. More advanced thing probably belong to the editor, not the keyboard map. Some like to use such with TeX, so perhaps TeXShop might do it. Otherwise, there is an AquaEmacs for the Aqua GUI, and an emacs-21 in Fink for X11, though I am not sure they handle UTF-8 well. It's not just about producing strings. It's also about parsing the previous content (to find out, say, the current duration, or octave), and remembering previous typings (accidentals for instance). It's also about modifying the previous content (change an alteration, a duration, an octave), or even a whole region of text (transposition for instance). All these things belong to the editor, as does the assoiated key map. But this is quite far from the original topic. nicolas ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
Here's the .ly files I used.
Waouh thanks !
Thanks for your newspaper !
Good good advertisement !
To prove that LilyPond is formidable, beam can be adapted easily with :
\once \override Beam #'positions = #'(-y1 . -y2)
%%---
RightHandTwo = \relative c'' {
bes, ees4 r \change Staff = LH \stemUp bes16 ees f g bes \change
Staff = RH \stemDown ees f bes
r8\pp bes,16(\( c) ees f fis aes g ees8 des16 c ces bes ees\)
r8 ees,16(\( f) ees' bes c f ees c8 bes16 aes bes c g\)
r8 c,16(\( e)
\once \override Beam #'positions = #'(-4.7 . -3.7) {f g aes bes}
\once \override Beam #'positions = #'(-3.7 . -4.7) {c aes8 g16}
aes f bes bes,\)
s8
}
%%
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On 25 Feb 2008, at 21:34, Nicolas Sceaux wrote: It's not just about producing strings. It's also about parsing the previous content (to find out, say, the current duration, or octave), and remembering previous typings (accidentals for instance). It's also about modifying the previous content (change an alteration, a duration, an octave), or even a whole region of text (transposition for instance). All these things belong to the editor, as does the assoiated key map. Have you thought about it in this terms: What syntax in LilyPond would minimize this Emacs programming? Hans Åberg ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
Am 24.02.2008 um 14:29 schrieb till: Andrew Hawryluk-2 wrote: OK. maybe this isn't advertising, but as a recovering Finale user I have been taking notes about what it was like to try LilyPond for the first time. The first three installments of those writings are now posted on my site and, of course, the LilyPond output looks marvellous: http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-1.html Really nice, thank you for that! I was just wondering what is it then that you like so much in Finale? You said both are good, but for different things. What is this thing? Is it that it is easier to correct typesetting errors in Finale? Greetings Till Being in a similar situation, it's a lot quicker to get something into finale and see it on paper, or hear a rough sketch in MIDI. In terms of pure notation, what takes 10 minutes in lilypond often takes 5 in Finale. But, when it comes to fixing things, because finale needs to have so many things fixed, usually across every part or every page of a score, what takes 20 minutes in lilypond can take 80 minutes in finale. So, for just getting something quick, that doesn't really have to look good, finale is definitely faster, but for something beautiful that's easy to fix, lilypond is definitely preferred, at least on my end. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Hi James, for just getting something quick, that doesn't really have to look good, finale is definitely faster Several years ago, I would have called myself a Finale expert: in addition to over a decade of use (typesetting well over a hundred scores, including my Master's Thesis, starting with Finale v2), I was even paid as a Finale tutor while I was doing my Master's (1994-7). Therefore, I feel like I can speak from a pretty good place of competence in this regard... With the one possible exception of playing the music into Finale from a MIDI keyboard, my experience is PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE of yours: using just a computer with (QWERTY) keyboard and mouse, I can get *any* score into Lilypond at least as quickly as I could into Finale, and most scores I figure I get the notes on to the page in 25-50% of the time required for Finale. The tweaking -- which ALWAYS takes longer with Finale -- just cements Lilypond's advantage. So, I'm curious... 1. Are you simply talking about Step-Time Entry (or whatever they currently call note-entry using a MIDI keyboard), or with QWERTY keyboard and mouse? 2. If you still find Finale faster at note-entry without a MIDI keyboard, what is slowing you down? (e.g., Do you not have good standard templates set up? Is there something about the syntax that consistently trips you up or confuses you?) Best regards, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
Hi Joseph, Another third-party view What makes Finale and Sibelius nice in many situations is that they are not just notation tools but _composition_ tools, which allow you to enter into a dialogue between notation, playback and performance. As a result, it tends to smooth the passage between experimental and sketching stages of composition and producing the final score. Lilypond is more suitable for a case where you already know precisely what you want to notate. Good point. I do *all* of my composition with paper and pen(cil), and only use the computer for engraving -- therefore, none of the [undeniable] benefits you mention are applicable to me (i.e., my compositional process). Cheers, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
till wrote: I was just wondering what is it then that you like so much in Finale? You said both are good, but for different things. What is this thing? Is it that it is easier to correct typesetting errors in Finale? Another third-party view What makes Finale and Sibelius nice in many situations is that they are not just notation tools but _composition_ tools, which allow you to enter into a dialogue between notation, playback and performance. As a result, it tends to smooth the passage between experimental and sketching stages of composition and producing the final score. Lilypond is more suitable for a case where you already know precisely what you want to notate. To take an example, recently I was working with a friend on some songs: I used Rosegarden to sketch out the notes and rhythms and to play around with some ideas we wanted tested, and then later used Lilypond to produce the final notation. With Finale, a step would have been removed in that process. Further benefits of Finale/Sibelius: you can concern yourself purely with what the score looks like and not have to worry about the underlying data structures (this is a disadvantage sometimes, too); typo spotting and correction is indeed easier (the close relationship with playback helps here); and it's much easier to be very precise with the visuals of your notation. I'm very, very fussy about the precise placement of dynamic marks and other such notation and this is non-trivial with Lilypond. Of course, Lilypond has some BIG advantages. For example, what other notation program can understand and logically and correctly interpret a 7/10 time signature? Perhaps not a big issue for a lot of people, but it does say a lot about the power and flexibility of Lilypond's data structures. -- Joe ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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I was just wondering what is it then that you like so much in Finale? You said both are good, but for different things. What is this thing? Is it that it is easier to correct typesetting errors in Finale? Yes, I left most of that discussion for later, but to be brief, Finale's advantages for myself include: - I already know how to do almost everything that I regularly need and have gotten pretty fast, but on LP I'm still a bubmling beginner who has to look stuff up all the time. - For single-note melodic passages, my LilyPond typing skills are only marginally slower than entering the data into Finale by any method, but for piano music with large chords (and especially in keys with many sharps/flats) I am much faster entering a whole chord at time from MIDI keyboard. - Instantly playback (proofread) whatever passage you just entered, not the entire MIDI file - Some multi-staff editing operations are much easier in Finale, e.g. in a score with a dozen staves I want to insert four empty measures after measure 43. - Compatablilty with the rest of the world. I was once able to reduce an hour of orchestral music to an eight piece ensemble without entering any notes because the composer was willing to send me his Finale files. After that experience I will probably never uninstall Finale. Of course, as I begin to understand the best ways to do things in LilyPond it gets easier and easier, but these are some of the hurdles that a recovering Finale user goes through. Cheers, Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
Le 24 févr. 08 à 18:27, Andrew Hawryluk a écrit : I was just wondering what is it then that you like so much in Finale? You said both are good, but for different things. What is this thing? Is it that it is easier to correct typesetting errors in Finale? Yes, I left most of that discussion for later, but to be brief, Finale's advantages for myself include: - [...] - Instantly playback (proofread) whatever passage you just entered, not the entire MIDI file Note that using a clever enough editor, you can have instant audio feedback when entering notes for LilyPond too. And indeed this is very useful. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Nicolas Sceaux wrote: Note that using a clever enough editor, you can have instant audio feedback when entering notes for LilyPond too. And indeed this is very useful. Can you give some examples and some comparisons? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Le 24 févr. 08 à 19:56, Joseph Wakeling a écrit : Nicolas Sceaux wrote: Note that using a clever enough editor, you can have instant audio feedback when entering notes for LilyPond too. And indeed this is very useful. Can you give some examples and some comparisons? I use a home made emacs mode, named lyqi, which makes it possible to enter notes and change their duration, alteration, octave, etc, with few key strokes, and with audio feedback. The page, with some source code, can be found here: http://nicolas.sceaux.free.fr/lilypond/lyqi.html I'm using a key map described here: http://nicolas.sceaux.free.fr/index.php/2006/07/01/8 Using that, I've entered all the scores that can be found there (save Giulio Cesare, that I've typeset before, using denemo). I would not enter music without it now, because of the speed I acquired, except keyboard music maybe (lyqi lacks polyphony support). It would be great if the canonical LilyPond editor, jEdit+LilyPondTool, had such a feature, for the few people that have tried quick insert mode find it very valuable for these two advantages: speed and instant pitch error check. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
Some more usability notes. I'm only a folk singer and guitar player, but a professional typesetter. My first notation program was some crap that I got with an used Mac (forgot the name, it was discontinued). On Linux I tried some very early version of LilyPond but never got it to work (font issues, AFAIR). The same with MusiXTeX. For some years I worked with Harmony Assistant by Myriad. It's a rather cheap shareware and very good for its price - it has interesting audio features and its notation output is at least usable for print - but ugly in comparison to Finale or LilyPond. I can't play keyboard, therefore MIDI keyboard input is no way; placing notes with a mouse needs forever; character keyboard input is usable and fast, but limited. I really liked how I could copy paste passages and transpose (parts of) them with a few keystrokes. Lyrics handling was nasty and got other bugs to workaround with every version. You still find a lot of samples in my Liederliste homepage. Can't remember why I tried LilyPond in 2005 again - I guess I was looking for better printable notes. (I do a Unitarian church magazine that features a song in every issue.) Using TeX for some years and programming since age 14 I had no threshold using the command line interface. Until now I've good templates for my usual kind of work - folk songs with one or two voices or choir settings. For lyrics I sometimes have to use dirty tricks (e.g. if the number of syllables differs in a repeat), but otherwise I'm very happy. Note and chord input works often blindly typing and is rather fast. But LilyPond code is kind of a write only format - even with only one measure per line and some remarks inbetween it gets very hard to read or to find some stuff, and I miss a relation between the same measure in different voices, that makes debugging sometimes very hard. (point click often doesn't work right.) My former girlfriend, an Irish folk fiddler, could hardly read notes and was used to write down her tunes as c d e f g with spacing indicating note length. When I gave her a simple LilyPond template, she could stick with most of her habits and learned to use simple stuff like \repeat very fast, even if she didn't understand most computer stuff. So LilyPond *maybe* even good for beginners. ;-) My choir director uses Finale, and I guess he doesn't tweak much, so some parts of our choir notes are rather ugly, esp. lyrics alignment (as proven by the OP). No, I don't think I can convince him to use LilyPond ;-) And as I'm used to LilyPond's soft, classical engraving, I find Finale's just a bit too cool and pointy. And I guess his printer is too low-res... What I miss using LilyPond: - EPS or PDF output without unneccessary whitespace and without additional files! (for placement in a layout app or processing with TeX) - possibilities to tweak the MIDI for nicer results (not LilyPond's scope, I know) - automatic pickup measures in line breaks (no, Harmony can't do that, but I saw it in Capella) - save transposed parts as source - some special chord notation (after reading the latest discussion on jazz chords I guess my ideas are doable, though...) - simpler possibilities for additional lyrics below the scores (song sheets) - sound prehear with cursor in the note preview - better overview in longer parts (don't know how - code folding, measure counter...?) The last two would be features of an editor/previewer and not of LilyPond itself. Maybe jEdit/LPT can already do that, but most Java apps are just too slow on my old Mac G4, and I hate this typical Java GUI (Swing?)... Greetlings from Lake Constance --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Ok, here's the rub: we have this mechanism called concave beams, see http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/input/regression/collated-files#beam-concave.ly: Beams whose inside notes get closer to the beam than the edge notes should be horizontal. This is pretty obvious for single-voice notes; for chords it gets hairier: which part of the chord notes do we use to decide this? Right now, we use the notes farthest away from the beam. We could use the top notes (the highest is the melody?) instead. What do you think? [hmmm, the #filename links are broken; we get the full path name now. Is this something recent? John?] 2008/2/24, Werner LEMBERG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK. maybe this isn't advertising, but as a recovering Finale user I have been taking notes about what it was like to try LilyPond for the first time. The first three installments of those writings are now posted on my site and, of course, the LilyPond output looks marvellous: http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-1.html *Very* nice, especially the references to lilypond bugs :-) Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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On 24.02.2008, at 16:36, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi James, for just getting something quick, that doesn't really have to look good, finale is definitely faster Several years ago, I would have called myself a Finale expert: in addition to over a decade of use (typesetting well over a hundred scores, including my Master's Thesis, starting with Finale v2), I was even paid as a Finale tutor while I was doing my Master's (1994-7). Therefore, I feel like I can speak from a pretty good place of competence in this regard... With the one possible exception of playing the music into Finale from a MIDI keyboard, my experience is PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE of yours: using just a computer with (QWERTY) keyboard and mouse, I can get *any* score into Lilypond at least as quickly as I could into Finale, and most scores I figure I get the notes on to the page in 25-50% of the time required for Finale. The tweaking -- which ALWAYS takes longer with Finale -- just cements Lilypond's advantage. So, I'm curious... 1. Are you simply talking about Step-Time Entry (or whatever they currently call note-entry using a MIDI keyboard), or with QWERTY keyboard and mouse? 2. If you still find Finale faster at note-entry without a MIDI keyboard, what is slowing you down? (e.g., Do you not have good standard templates set up? Is there something about the syntax that consistently trips you up or confuses you?) Best regards, Kieren. oh, I don't (didn't) use the MIDI entry much. I used mostly the simple entry, with keyboard commands modified from igor engraver. I think it's just that I have to completely re-work the way I think to put music into lilypond. Oh, I get the stuff into lilypond easily enough, lilypond requires me to adapt to it to put music in, while finale adapts to me to put music in (i.e., I can change the QWERTY keyboard commands to something that makes sense to me in finale.) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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2008/2/23, Andrew Hawryluk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK. maybe this isn't advertising, but as a recovering Finale user I have been taking notes about what it was like to try LilyPond for the first time. The first three installments of those writings are now posted on my site and, of course, the LilyPond output looks marvellous: http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-1.html Excellent analysis! Is the .ly file available for further scrutiny? The flat beams in the upper right of the 2nd line look like a bug. Can someone (one of you documentation guys?) link to this from the website? as a news entry on the front-page and from the essay? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: free LilyPond advertising
OK. maybe this isn't advertising, but as a recovering Finale user I have been taking notes about what it was like to try LilyPond for the first time. The first three installments of those writings are now posted on my site and, of course, the LilyPond output looks marvellous: http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-1.html *Very* nice, especially the references to lilypond bugs :-) Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
