TupletBracket behaviour

2007-01-30 Thread Vivian Barty-Taylor 
When the size of a TupletBracket gets too small, it disappears leaving just the 
TupletNumber. While I can see that this might be attractive in some 
circumstances I would like to switch it off (so the TupletBracket always 
prints.) Is there a way to do this? At the moment, I'm putting small increases 
in horizontal spacing into my score each time this happens, but this is very 
fiddly. There must be a neater way.

I've searched through the properties for TupletBracket but am honestly a bit 
lost.

Many thanks,
Vivian.





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Re: TupletBracket behaviour

2007-01-30 Thread Mats Bengtsson 

I've never seen this happen and I couldn't construct an
example myself where it happened. I hope you are aware
of the fact that no tuplet bracket is printed by default if
there's a beam of the same length, but from your description
it seems fairly clear that this is not the problem here.

If you can make up a small example that illustrates the problem,
it will be much easier to figure out a solution. There is a property
minimum-length that's listed if you click on the spanner-interface
link but it doesn't seem to work for TupletBracket objects.

  /Mats

Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:

When the size of a TupletBracket gets too small, it disappears leaving 
just the TupletNumber. While I can see that this might be attractive 
in some circumstances I would like to switch it off (so the 
TupletBracket always prints.) Is there a way to do this? At the 
moment, I'm putting small increases in horizontal spacing into my 
score each time this happens, but this is very fiddly. There must be a 
neater way.


I've searched through the properties for TupletBracket but am honestly 
a bit lost.


Many thanks,
Vivian.


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Re: TupletBracket behaviour

2007-01-31 Thread Vivian Barty-Taylor 
Dear Mats,
I'm using 2.10.12 for Mac OSX.
Please find attached .ly file and PDF (in case your Lilypond does something 
different.) The "problem" only occurs in tuplets where the first note is 
shorter than the second and with values of #'shortest-duration-space less than 
1.1 (the TupletBracket doesn't print).

I'll experiment with the minimum-length property you mention.

Many thanks,

Vivian.

- Original Message 
From: Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Vivian Barty-Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Tuesday, 30 January, 2007 9:00:30 PM
Subject: Re: TupletBracket behaviour

I've never seen this happen and I couldn't construct an
example myself where it happened. I hope you are aware
of the fact that no tuplet bracket is printed by default if
there's a beam of the same length, but from your description
it seems fairly clear that this is not the problem here.

If you can make up a small example that illustrates the problem,
it will be much easier to figure out a solution. There is a property
minimum-length that's listed if you click on the spanner-interface
link but it doesn't seem to work for TupletBracket objects.

   /Mats

Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:

> When the size of a TupletBracket gets too small, it disappears leaving 
> just the TupletNumber. While I can see that this might be attractive 
> in some circumstances I would like to switch it off (so the 
> TupletBracket always prints.) Is there a way to do this? At the 
> moment, I'm putting small increases in horizontal spacing into my 
> score each time this happens, but this is very fiddly. There must be a 
> neater way.
>
> I've searched through the properties for TupletBracket but am honestly 
> a bit lost.
>
> Many thanks,
> Vivian.
>
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Re: TupletBracket behaviour

2007-01-31 Thread Mats Bengtsson 
Looking at the implementation, it turns out that the check to see if the 
bracket
should be printed compares the width of the bracket with the width of 
the number.

So, one ugly workaround to get the bracket printed is to do
\override TupletNumber #'X-extent = #'(0 . 0)
but the disadvantage is that the bracket will then run into the number.

  /Mats

Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:

Dear Mats,
I'm using 2.10.12 for Mac OSX.
Please find attached .ly file and PDF (in case your Lilypond does 
something different.) The "problem" only occurs in tuplets where the 
first note is shorter than the second and with values of 
#'shortest-duration-space less than 1.1 (the TupletBracket doesn't print).


I'll experiment with the minimum-length property you mention.

Many thanks,

Vivian.

- Original Message 
From: Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Vivian Barty-Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Tuesday, 30 January, 2007 9:00:30 PM
Subject: Re: TupletBracket behaviour

I've never seen this happen and I couldn't construct an
example myself where it happened. I hope you are aware
of the fact that no tuplet bracket is printed by default if
there's a beam of the same length, but from your description
it seems fairly clear that this is not the problem here.

If you can make up a small example that illustrates the problem,
it will be much easier to figure out a solution. There is a property
minimum-length that's listed if you click on the spanner-interface
link but it doesn't seem to work for TupletBracket objects.

   /Mats

Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:

> When the size of a TupletBracket gets too small, it disappears leaving
> just the TupletNumber. While I can see that this might be attractive
> in some circumstances I would like to switch it off (so the
> TupletBracket always prints.) Is there a way to do this? At the
> moment, I'm putting small increases in horizontal spacing into my
> score each time this happens, but this is very fiddly. There must be a
> neater way.
>
> I've searched through the properties for TupletBracket but am honestly
> a bit lost.
>
> Many thanks,
> Vivian.
>
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Re: TupletBracket behaviour

2007-01-31 Thread Vivian Barty-Taylor 
Dear Mats and other,
As we would say in Dutch, "dat valt mee" - roughly translated as "that could be 
worse"! I can always change the X-extent of the TupletNumber at different 
points in the score, and it's going to be a lot less work than making minute 
changes in spacing every time it occurs.
All the best,
Vivian.

- Original Message 
From: Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Vivian Barty-Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Wednesday, 31 January, 2007 9:58:34 AM
Subject: Re: TupletBracket behaviour

Looking at the implementation, it turns out that the check to see if the 
bracket
should be printed compares the width of the bracket with the width of 
the number.
So, one ugly workaround to get the bracket printed is to do
\override TupletNumber #'X-extent = #'(0 . 0)
but the disadvantage is that the bracket will then run into the number.

   /Mats

Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:
> Dear Mats,
> I'm using 2.10.12 for Mac OSX.
> Please find attached .ly file and PDF (in case your Lilypond does 
> something different.) The "problem" only occurs in tuplets where the 
> first note is shorter than the second and with values of 
> #'shortest-duration-space less than 1.1 (the TupletBracket doesn't print).
>
> I'll experiment with the minimum-length property you mention.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Vivian.
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Vivian Barty-Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 January, 2007 9:00:30 PM
> Subject: Re: TupletBracket behaviour
>
> I've never seen this happen and I couldn't construct an
> example myself where it happened. I hope you are aware
> of the fact that no tuplet bracket is printed by default if
> there's a beam of the same length, but from your description
> it seems fairly clear that this is not the problem here.
>
> If you can make up a small example that illustrates the problem,
> it will be much easier to figure out a solution. There is a property
> minimum-length that's listed if you click on the spanner-interface
> link but it doesn't seem to work for TupletBracket objects.
>
>/Mats
>
> Vivian Barty-Taylor wrote:
>
> > When the size of a TupletBracket gets too small, it disappears leaving
> > just the TupletNumber. While I can see that this might be attractive
> > in some circumstances I would like to switch it off (so the
> > TupletBracket always prints.) Is there a way to do this? At the
> > moment, I'm putting small increases in horizontal spacing into my
> > score each time this happens, but this is very fiddly. There must be a
> > neater way.
> >
> > I've searched through the properties for TupletBracket but am honestly
> > a bit lost.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Vivian.
> >
> > 
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