Re: arabic tabs?
Indeeed the code is helpful for my purposes to rember oud fingering! I can produce midi files as well. (First I had some problems, no idea what I did wrong, started again from scratch and it worked.) I am enthusiastic with this extension!!! One (may be) problem is that one cannot mix the spellings, i. e. cis and cs. I can live with the new spelling of accidentals with your code and find it very pleasing and shorter as well. But I ( and for shure many others) do have old code, the want still to use and an extension or mix would be nice. A conversion is tedious. is and s ( as in as) is present in many other parts of code so a simple replace all is unrewarding. If the developers can be convinced to integrate this code additionally to the old way for simultaneously use is very questionable. To summarize, I am very satisfied with that extension and could not find any bugs in my first attampts, beside the incompatibility problem described above. Just for completeness of information: In the arabic world there are different areas/schools/traditional lines that play notes slightly higher or lower than notated. For that there will be used arrows up or down in the music. For instance see http://maqamworld.com/maqamat/sikah.html at the bottom of the page Maqam Sikah Baladi you see such arrows. I think that compares to the blue note in the Blues, where the notation will give just an idea. Maybe there is a oposibility to add such arrows to the sheet? Persian qauartertones are generally played flatter, Turkish quartertones generally are played sharper, arabic ones are in the middle. But that is not a question of the notation. That is a regional difference in taste. Even in arabic music there is a west arabic and an east arabic style. Well, I myself am just happy to find the correct quartertone in playing oud, regardless of persian/turkish/arabic! The tabs will help me in this! Thanks again and have a nice weekend, BB On 13.08.2015 21:52, Thomas Morley wrote: Glad to hear my coding works for you. Though, I've no knowledge in microtonal music at all. All I did was to let the TabStaff print positions like 1½ etc. I've even no clue, whether the result is correct and would need you and others for feedback about it. But if you have a look into makam.ly you see how pitches and names are defined. You could do similiar to create own names and pitches. TabStaff_should_ then display them correctly, if not report it. No idea about midi, though... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: arabic tabs?
On 14 Aug 2015, at 15:18, BB bb-543...@telecolumbus.net wrote: Persian qauartertones are generally played flatter, Turkish quartertones generally are played sharper, arabic ones are in the middle. But that is not a question of the notation. That is a regional difference in taste. Even in arabic music there is a west arabic and an east arabic style. Well, I myself am just happy to find the correct quartertone in playing oud, regardless of persian/turkish/arabic! The tabs will help me in this! The Persian microtones are about the same as Arabic, given variations and adaptations. In E53, try raising two commas and lower 3. In Turkish E53 description lower/raise one comma, which is 4/6 relative the flats/sharps, which lower/raise 5 commmas. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: arabic tabs?
2015-08-12 13:49 GMT+02:00 BB bb-543...@telecolumbus.net:
Thank you very much for your Help with your code! Your code works fine,
here is an example code:
oud = \stringTuning f a d' g' c'' f''
% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rast_%28maqam%29
RastC = {
\relative c'
{
c d eqf f g a bqf c |
c d eqf f g a bqf c |
}
%\break
}
\new Staff
% \clef G_8
^Rast on C
\RastC
\new TabStaff
\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #oud
\tabFullNotation
\RastC
\new Staff
% \clef G_8
^Rast on D
\transpose c d
\RastC
\new TabStaff
\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #oud
\tabFullNotation
\transpose c d
\RastC
The mnemonic is great compared to makam.ly and arabic.ly. So I always give
your solution preference ove the other both. Should become part of lilypond,
2.10.1 Common notation for non-Western music!
the use goes far bejond only just oriental music notation! One might use it
for music with extended quarter-tone music. What is bejond that ? How to
notate sixth-tone?
I can work with the turkish way of notation, but I would prefer the arabic
notation of quarter tones. Is that possible to change in a somple way?
Glad to hear my coding works for you.
Though, I've no knowledge in microtonal music at all.
All I did was to let the TabStaff print positions like 1½ etc.
I've even no clue, whether the result is correct and would need you
and others for feedback about it.
But if you have a look into makam.ly you see how pitches and names are
defined. You could do similiar to create own names and pitches.
TabStaff _should_ then display them correctly, if not report it.
No idea about midi, though...
Just for information , the word makam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makam
is used for the turkish way of notation, whereas the word maqam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_maqam
is used by the arabs for the arab way of notation. (In the wikipedia article
for maqam the notation is not consistent, as it uses turish/arabic notation
mixed. Better have a look at
http://maqamworld.com/
for the arabic way of notation.
So, the file makam.ly at least is a misnomer! Should be maqam.ly. (Not
really important, but may be inetresting in detail.)
Thanks again,
BB
On 10.08.2015 23:52, Thomas Morley wrote:
Hi,
attached you'll find my attempt for a such a tab.
It's based on `determine-frets' from translation-functions.scm
There's surely wide room for improvements and maybe the one or other glitch
...
Cheers,
Harm
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Re: arabic tabs?
On 13 Aug 2015, at 17:51, BB bb-543...@telecolumbus.net wrote: Thanks for the interesting links! There are other differences: Turkish music is typically notated a 4th above sounding. In AEU notation, the sharp is erroneously given 4 commas—the E53 sharp has value 5 commas. In Arab music, the microtonal values are larger than in Turkish music. In E53, try raising with 2 commas, lowering 3. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: arabic tabs?
Thanks for the interesting links! Regards, BB On 12.08.2015 18:09, Hans Åberg wrote: On 12 Aug 2015, at 15:54, BB bb-543...@telecolumbus.net wrote: I tried to to rivet on differences in turkish/arab way of noatation, but I am sure I missed the point. For someone interested, here is a much better (short) description: http://www.oud.eclipse.co.uk/notation.html For Arab maqam, there is http://www.maqamworld.com/ A Turkish makam notation system often described is called AEU (Arel-Ezgi-Uzdilek), as on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makam Also see Ozan Yarman, http://www.musicstudies.org/Abjad_JIMS_071203.pdf ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: arabic tabs?
On 12 Aug 2015, at 15:54, BB bb-543...@telecolumbus.net wrote: I tried to to rivet on differences in turkish/arab way of noatation, but I am sure I missed the point. For someone interested, here is a much better (short) description: http://www.oud.eclipse.co.uk/notation.html For Arab maqam, there is http://www.maqamworld.com/ A Turkish makam notation system often described is called AEU (Arel-Ezgi-Uzdilek), as on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makam Also see Ozan Yarman, http://www.musicstudies.org/Abjad_JIMS_071203.pdf ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: arabic tabs?
Thank you very much for your Help with your code! Your code works
fine, here is an example code:
oud = \stringTuning f a d' g' c'' f''
% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rast_%28maqam%29
RastC = {
\relative c'
{
c d eqf f g a bqf c |
c d eqf f g a bqf c |
}
%\break
}
\new Staff
% \clef G_8
^Rast on C
\RastC
\new TabStaff
\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #oud
\tabFullNotation
\RastC
\new Staff
% \clef G_8
^Rast on D
\transpose c d
\RastC
\new TabStaff
\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #oud
\tabFullNotation
\transpose c d
\RastC
The mnemonic is great compared to makam.ly and arabic.ly. So I always
give your solution preference ove the other both. Should become part of
lilypond,
2.10.1 Common notation for non-Western music!
the use goes far bejond only just oriental music notation! One might use
it for music with extended quarter-tone music. What is bejond that ? How
to notate sixth-tone?
I can work with the turkish way of notation, but I would prefer the
arabic notation of quarter tones. Is that possible to change in a somple
way?
Just for information , the word makam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makam
is used for the turkish way of notation, whereas the word maqam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_maqam
is used by the arabs for the arab way of notation. (In the wikipedia
article for maqam the notation is not consistent, as it uses
turish/arabic notation mixed. Better have a look at
http://maqamworld.com/
for the arabic way of notation.
So, the file makam.ly at least is a misnomer! Should be maqam.ly. (Not
really important, but may be inetresting in detail.)
Thanks again,
BB
On 10.08.2015 23:52, Thomas Morley wrote:
Hi,
attached you'll find my attempt for a such a tab.
It's based on `determine-frets' from translation-functions.scm
There's surely wide room for improvements and maybe the one or other glitch ...
Cheers,
Harm
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Re: arabic tabs?
I tried to to rivet on differences in turkish/arab way of noatation, but I am sure I missed the point. For someone interested, here is a much better (short) description: http://www.oud.eclipse.co.uk/notation.html Important to notice to avoid mail storms about more or less cents: ... the symbols really only 'represent' the notes rather than fix a specific pitch for them .. On 12.08.2015 13:49, BB wrote: the word makam (pl. makamlar) is used for the turkish way of notation, whereas the word maqam (pl. maqamat) is used by the arabs for the arab way of notation. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: arabic tabs?
2015-08-09 14:31 GMT+02:00 BB bb-543...@telecolumbus.net:
I found two possibilities to write arabic accidentals in the Notation
reference.
2.10.1 Common notation for non-Western music
\include makam.ly
with English names (c d ...),
and
2.10.2 Arabic music
using the Italian names ( do re ...)
Both hard to remember the different postfixes, but works anyway. I myself
prefer the English name version.
As a nonarabic Oud player I am interested in tabs with quarter tones. I was
thinking about how to do this and found, that one might set a sign for half
flat oder half sharp before the fret number in the tab. So I will be
remembered to take care for that quarter tones. Well, fretless instruments
do not have frets, but an equivalent finger set.
Does anybody have such a solution or another one?
Regards,
BB
Hi,
attached you'll find my attempt for a such a tab.
It's based on `determine-frets' from translation-functions.scm
There's surely wide room for improvements and maybe the one or other glitch ...
Cheers,
Harm
\version 2.19.24
#(define-public
(my-determine-frets context notes specified-info . rest)
Determine string numbers and frets for playing @var{notes}
as a chord, given specified information @var{specified-info}.
@var{specified-info} is a list with two list elements,
specified strings @code{defined-strings} and
specified fingerings @code{defined-fingers}. Only a fingering of@tie{}0
will affect the fret selection, as it specifies an open string.
If @code{defined-strings} is @code{'()}, the context property
@code{defaultStrings} will be used as a list of defined strings.
Will look for predefined fretboards if @code{predefinedFretboardTable}
is not @code {#f}. If @var{rest} is present, it contains the
@code{FretBoard} grob, and a fretboard will be
created. Otherwise, a list of @code{(string fret finger)} lists will
be returned.
;; helper functions
(define (string-frets-placement-list string-frets string-count)
Convert @var{string-frets} to @code{fret-diagram-verbose}
dot placement entries.
(let* ((placements (list-vector
(map (lambda (x) (list 'mute x))
(iota string-count 1)
(for-each (lambda (sf)
(let* ((string (car sf))
(fret (cadr sf))
(finger (caddr sf)))
(vector-set!
placements
(1- string)
(if (= 0 fret)
(list 'open string)
(if finger
(list 'place-fret string fret finger)
(list 'place-fret string fret))
string-frets)
(vector-list placements)))
(define (placement-list-string-frets placement-list)
Convert @var{placement-list} to string-fret list.
(map (lambda (x) (if (eq? (car x) 'place-fret)
(cdr x)
(list (cadr x) 0)))
(filter (lambda (l) (or (eq? (car l) 'place-fret)
(eq? (car l) 'open)))
placement-list)))
(define (entry-count art-list)
Count the number of entries in a list of articulations.
(length (filter (lambda (x) (not (null? x)))
art-list)))
(define (string-number event)
Get the string-number from @var{event}. Return @var{#f}
if no string-number is present.
(let ((num (ly:event-property event 'string-number)))
(and (integer? num) (positive? num) num)))
(define (determine-frets-and-strings
notes
defined-strings
defined-fingers
minimum-fret
maximum-stretch
tuning)
Determine the frets and strings used to play the notes in
@var{notes}, given @var{defined-strings} and @var{defined-fingers}
along with @var{minimum-fret}, @var{maximum-stretch}, and
@var{tuning}. Returns a list of @code{(string fret finger) lists.
(define restrain-open-strings (ly:context-property context
'restrainOpenStrings
#f))
(define specified-frets '())
(define free-strings (iota (length tuning) 1))
(define (calc-fret pitch string tuning)
Calculate the fret to play @var{pitch} on @var{string} with
@var{tuning}.
(* 2 (- (ly:pitch-tones pitch) (ly:pitch-tones (list-ref tuning (1- string))
(define (note-pitch note)
Get the pitch (in semitones) from @var{note}.
(ly:event-property note 'pitch))
(define (note-finger ev)
Get the fingering from @var{ev}. Return @var{#f}
if no fingering is present.
(let* ((articulations (ly:event-property ev 'articulations))
(finger-found #f))
(for-each (lambda (art)
(let* ((num (ly:event-property art 'digit)))
(if (and
arabic tabs?
I found two possibilities to write arabic accidentals in the Notation reference. 2.10.1 Common notation for non-Western music \include makam.ly with English names (c d ...), and 2.10.2 Arabic music using the Italian names ( do re ...) Both hard to remember the different postfixes, but works anyway. I myself prefer the English name version. As a nonarabic Oud player I am interested in tabs with quarter tones. I was thinking about how to do this and found, that one might set a sign for half flat oder half sharp before the fret number in the tab. So I will be remembered to take care for that quarter tones. Well, fretless instruments do not have frets, but an equivalent finger set. Does anybody have such a solution or another one? Regards, BB ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
