Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Donald Fonseca]

Hello John,

I am not sure why you added my email to your rant. I addressed my email to Jay 
in regards to pronouncements he made and a flyer he sent to residents in 
pursuit of public office. I am curious as to his understanding of certain 
matters and I choose to clarify before making any judgement.  Please do not add 
me to your delusion etc.

Regards,

Donald

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From: john gregg 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 12:31:03 AM
To: Donald Fonseca 
Cc: JAY DWYER ; Bryce Wells ; 
Listserv, Listserv 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal 
experience)

We can look at the data and talk about MCAS of which again I am not a fan of 
and whether CRT is or is not in the schools in one form or another and get 
nowhere.  What I can tell you is that my conversation with my child is that he 
feels that he is not challenged enough in most classes except one and feels 
some of his classmates feel the same. I can also say that I have heard from 
parents that they would rather fly below the radar than actually bring their 
concerns to the School Committee because they do not feel their voice is 
represented at the table.

Our choice is to take the extra time and money to utilize resources outside of 
school and as Bryce rightfully said, that is our choice to do so but not 
everyone feels the need to seek that help, or are concerned with the state of 
our school. We have taken the responsibility into our own hands, I will leave 
that to others to judge but we feel it is needed to put in place the proper 
education focusing on critical thinking. This is where I think people are 
getting lost in the weeds, we should not be accepting that “meeting 
expectations” is the bar we set for our children. It should be about exceeding 
expectations and getting the most out of every brain to think for themselves 
and I do not think that is part of the curriculum. Both parents and kids feel 
intimidated and sometimes threatened for being concerned or voicing an opinion 
that may ruffle some feathers. I personally am way past that, think what you 
may I am focused on making sure my child gets the best education he can even if 
it means the extra work which we will gladly do to ensure his success in life.

 I have lived here a long time and the concept that Lincoln is a welcoming town 
does not hold water for me but that is fine, we moved here for the school 
system and LSHS. We have the same voice as anyone else, I find using the 
example of CRT to call out anyone as part of the game. If one person has a 
concern that we are using a form of learning that should not be in schools it 
should be open for discussion instead of subtly trying to make the conversation 
about racism which is what that is obviously trying to do. The LPS school page 
has several pages of resources for families, look and judge for yourself.

For a community that boasts about inclusion and diversity if we look honestly 
we are not “meeting expectations” but it is accepted, so maybe this is the new 
norm for our education system but not for my child, and my guess is not the 
norm for many who send their kids to Birches,Fenn or any other option in the 
area. So fire away, but this conversation should be about having diversity on 
the School Committee and that includes diversity in solutions, thoughts or 
evaluations of where the problems may rest and what the adults in the room can 
do to make LPS, including Hanscom as they are part of our education community, 
excel like Lexington and Weston.

And for those who say voice your concerns to the powers that be, I have made my 
voice heard but understand it is up to us as the parents to provide the tools 
and resources to ensure the best for our child as maybe our ways of meeting the 
goals do not align.

Best Regards,
John

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On Mar 24, 2022, at 9:50 PM, Donald Fonseca  wrote:


Hello Mr Dwyer,

Do you care to explain what you understand critical race theory to be? Please 
also explain where in Lincoln it is taught and how this might have contributed 
to the suggested low achievement in Lincoln schools.

Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Donald

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Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Donald Fonseca]

Hello Mr Dwyer,

Do you care to explain what you understand critical race theory to be? Please 
also explain where in Lincoln it is taught and how this might have contributed 
to the suggested low achievement in Lincoln schools.

Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Donald

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From: Lincoln  on behalf of JAY DWYER 

Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 8:59:53 AM
To: Bryce Wells 
Cc: Listserv, Listserv 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal 
experience)

Hi Bryce,

Thanks for bringing up your questions and concerns in the well reasoned manner.

You are correct, I do not have a background in education other than being 
educated in two systems. The first one was a public school where I was not 
thriving. The second one was a parochial school whic which challenge me in 
after three years of that I was able to go to any school and feel comfortable 
that I was not behind.

I’m glad that your boys had a positive experience in the Lincoln schools and 
beyond. Part of that is from the school of course but I always think that the 
most important part is a family environment and attention to the value of 
schoolwork provided by the parents. You did your job!

The reason I am running is because I saw it from the outside at Lincoln school 
enrollment has been declining the last 10 years population of the town has been 
increasing. The information you shared about friends going to private schools 
is common.
The question that is not asked is “if cost was no object would you keep your 
child in Lincoln schools or go to a private school? “
I think we all know the answer to that question.

I know it worked for me and for many many other people so it is not anecdotal 
information. Rigorous work and accountability whether it was on the sports 
fields or in the classroom is a recipe for success.

I fully realize that as outsider I will not be invited to sit at the cool kids 
table.

If I can help the students of Lincoln become more successful in building a 
strong foundation for the future I will eat in the corner table by myself.

I’m OK with that.

If you want somebody who is willing to question the establishment asked for 
your vote on March 28 for Lincoln school committee.

Joseph Dwyer
603.560.1787 c



On Mar 22, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Bryce Wells  wrote:


Jay,

I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived) 
problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it galling 
that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the problem, but that's 
another issue for another time.  My recommendation is that you at least start 
with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the school's performance 
therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.

More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this multi-pronged 
plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to start there and see 
WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY think they should be 
solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my attention... and vote.

Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's eristic 
pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT data), both my 
boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were well prepared for high 
school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is there room for improvement?  
Always.

Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or other 
private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a deeply personal 
one) communicated that they wanted their child in a same-sex learning 
environment or they valued the private education experience or they wanted to 
provide more avenues for their child outside of LS.

Thanks for listening.

Bryce


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER 
mailto:jaysp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why ?

Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com


59% proficient in math
61% proficient in english

What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?

You get an F for failure.

We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.

People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of Lincoln 
schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
You know many families that have done this.

We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she “liked 
that her son was not pushed too hard in school”

This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future grades and in 
life.

I have a solution they will not cost any money.

1) Written homework every night that is graded and handed back the next morning 
with a traditional % grade.

2) The final exam every week on what you learned that week.

3) A report card every Monday morning with average scores of Homeworks and 
grade on the final exam with a rank in class.

I experience this program for three years in 6/7 and e

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[RAandBOB]

When I was on the school committee 35 years ago or so, the same question came 
up every year. We researched it that time and the answer was that many parents 
send their child to private school after grade 5 or 6 for several reasons: 1) 
they want an extended day program with sports.  2) everyone in their family has 
always gone to that particular private school. 3) They believe that single sex 
education is more productive during the hormone-crazed years in junior high 
school. 4) A few, of course, do change schools because their child is not 
thriving. 

Ruth Ann Hendrickson
(She, her, hers)

> On Mar 24, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
> 
> All,
> The reason I suggested looking a longitudinal trends is it would reveal 
> whether or not this is a new phenomena.
> Don’t look at population trends as this is an argument about whether or not 
> the parents of school age children elect to send their kids to private vs 
> public school.
> So, you need the numbers of school age kids and where they are enrolled in 
> school.
> 
> I was always told that approximately 25% of Lincoln kids exited the public 
> schools for some other form of ed., usually private.
> 
> Is this urban myth or not?
> 
> Data should be the basis, not what we think..
> 
> --
> Sara Mattes
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Richard Panetta  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Allen,
>> 
>> I would beg to differ. I’ll try and find the numbers but the enrollment goes 
>> up and down. When I was in school we barely had 40 kids in our Brooks  
>> graduating class. 25% then went on to private school. The enrollment then 
>> went up around when Smith was renovated I believe.   
>> 
>> And is there an increase in empty nesters? With The commons coming online 
>> and the increased tax rate here is that number increasing or decreasing? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 5:24 PM Pastor Allen  wrote:
>>> Sara is right: a lower birth rate and the resulting increasing percentage 
>>> of “Empty Nesters” and retired households in town are the biggest factor in 
>>> declining school enrollment - there are simply far fewer kids here than 
>>> there used to be.  …This trend has been obvious for decades.
>>> 
>>> The number of students leaving for private schools may be a factor, but I 
>>> would argue is insignificant in light of the general shrinking of the 
>>> available school-aged population.  ( I will agree, though, that the town’s 
>>> increasing average income and home values suggests that more families can 
>>> afford private schools nowadays.)
>>> 
>>> -Allen Vander Meulen
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 24, 2022, at 16:45, Sara Mattes  wrote:
> 
 Mr. Dwyer,
 As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to 
 conclusions and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe, 
 what data have you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for 
 private schools?
 What have the numbers been over the years, decades?
 Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion.
 
 Regards,
 Sara Mattes
 --
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> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER  wrote:
> 
> Hi Fuat,
> 
> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”.
> 
> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating 
> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by 
> the number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car 
> leaded what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 
> years as the population has grown.
> 
> Something is amiss !
> 
> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased 
> with the product.
> 
> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school 
> committee on March 28.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jay Dwyer
> 603.560.1787 c
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Bryce, 
>> 
>> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our 
>> education, discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you 
>> highlighted: 
>> 
>> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various 
>> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the 
>> absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think 
>> our education is good (or bad). "
>> 
>> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the 
>> School Committee should be able to help us understand what our 
>> data-driven evaluation criteria are. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Fuat Koro
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Jay,
>>> 
>>> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a 
>>> (perceived)

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[LincolnTalk] Lincoln School Project: Town Meeting Starts at 9:30am Sharp!

[kim bodnar]

*Town Meeting will start with the dedication of the Harriet Todd Lecture
Hall.* We respectfully ask residents to be signed in and seated a few
minutes before 9:30 so that we can begin promptly and celebrate together.

*A few Town Meeting reminders:*

   - Voters can check in starting at 8:00am.
   - Residents are invited to walk through the renovated Middle School
   between 8:00am - 9:00am. Get checked in and then enjoy roaming the
   building! Students and faculty will be on hand to direct you and answer
   questions.
   - The Girl Scouts will be selling light refreshments.
   - *PLEASE - NO FOOD OR DRINK OTHER THAN WATER IN THE AUDITORIUM!* Help
   us protect the beautiful new seating and carpeting.
   - New photos have been added to the March gallery - check it out!
   
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[LincolnTalk] Sing with Mystic this spring!

[Annamaria San Antonio]

Greetings Lincoln Neighbors,


Do you love to sing, and would you like to be part of an AMAZING,
life-changing experience?


Mystic Chorale is a non-audition based choir whose members range from
singing-in-the-shower, lovers of music, to world-class artists and
musicians.  Our director, Nick Page, is retiring in November at the end of
the Fall season.  So, only two more seasons under his extraordinary
leadership.


I really mean it when I say "life-changing" as I know the tremendous
positive impact being a member has made in my life since I joined in 1994.

If you've been to a Mystic concert, or even sung with Mystic, here's
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Check out the info below.

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Come experience an amazing season with beloved Mystic Chorale Founder and
Artistic Director Nick Page, who after 32 years with the chorus will be
moving to Missouri after Mystic’s fall 2022 season. Nick: “For my last two
seasons with the Mystic I want to pull out all the stops. We will create
magnificence!” The season promises to lift the spirits and souls of singers
and audience alike.

The chorus will be joined by the amazing Donnell Patterson and will feature
the talented Louise Grasmere on vocals. The program for ARISE! will
include *Moon
is Walking*; *Glory, Glory Hallelujah*; *Every Day is a Day of Thanksgiving*
and Linda Hirschhorn’s *Lo V’Chayil* *(Not By Might, But With Love)*, with
lift- us-all-to-the-sky percussion. Drums will also be central to a rousing
South African *Haleluya*. Fittingly, the chorus will also sing *A Parting
Glass*, a Celtic good-bye song. This spring is sure to be both exhilarating
and stirring as the chorus begins to bid Nick farewell.

10 weeks of rehearsals begin on Tuesday, April 5th, 7:30-9:30 pm at First
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Re: [LincolnTalk] INFO: It’s spring! Do you know where your septic system is?

[Claire Mount]

wonderful lol
claire mount

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 5:32 PM RAandBOB  wrote:

> Did you know that you can destroy your septic system by improper use and
> lack of maintenance? And that it will cost you $10,000 - $50,000 to replace
> it?
>
> Your septic tank is a living biological system. You can kill it by pouring
> chemicals down the drain. Your septic field consists of porous soil that
> allows the liquid effluent to slowly move into the soil to be cleaned. You
> can clog the pores by pouring grease, latex paint, etc. down the drain.
>
> Moreover, a failed septic system can pollute the ground water, especially
> important if your property is in one of the special zones that supply water
> to our public drinking water well and pond.
>
> You can find everything you need to know about protecting your septic
> system in the new educational document prepared for your benefit by the
> Board of Health and the Water Commissioners. Find it on the town website at:
>
>
> http://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/72106/Care-of-Septic-Systems-FINAL-1-20-22
>
> If you have questions, feel free to contact the Board of Health or the
> Water Department.
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[LincolnTalk] Grandparent request... a nice break from politics

[Sara Mattes]

Grandkids are visiting over Easter Weekend.
I have been asked to seek out the following.
Any help out there?

"The biggest help would be if you could borrow a car seat for James, meaning we 
don't have to bring one. The brand is not critical. It should be forward-facing 
and have its own harness. Here's a link  
to a good 
article about the various stages of car seat.. If you could borrow a base for 
Charlie's car seat, it makes getting him in and out much easier. Since it would 
need to work with his seat, the brand needs to be Chicco Keyfit (LINK 
).”


That’s it.

Thanks,
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Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Fuat Koro]

Anne - I found the database from the Department of Education very helpful.

In addition to MCAS scores, there was a section on "accountability"
relative to targets listed at the school level. Lincoln -- without Hanscom
-- was at 82 percentile in 2019, the last year the data was published due
to Covid. 34 schools out of 1846 were listed as "schools of recognition".
Of course we can debate whether this particular performance indicator and
associated targets are the right ones or if the Department of Education is
a credible source.

Ultimately, my sense is we don't lack performance indicators or data.
Rather, we need to choose a framework we can align on. I sincerely hope the
School Committee can guide the conversation on a data-driven approach to
quality of education.

Fuat Koro

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 5:16 PM Anne Wang  wrote:

> Just to clarify, the link that John gave for MCAS scores was for the
> entire district (Hanscom + Lincoln).  However, roughly 1/3 of Hanscom
> students enter and leave the district every year with almost all students
> staying no more than 3 years so MCAS scores are not a good representation
> of the quality of the education there.  A better comparison to Sudbury
> where the student population is more consistent would be the Lincoln
> School:
> https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/mcas/achievement_level.aspx?linkid=32&orgcode=01570025&orgtypecode=6&;.
> These scores are very similar to Sudbury.
>
> Anne
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 4:45 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> Mr. Dwyer,
>> As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to
>> conclusions and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe,
>> what data have you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for
>> private schools?
>> What have the numbers been over the years, decades?
>> Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sara Mattes
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Fuat,
>>
>> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”.
>>
>> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating
>> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the
>> number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded
>> what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the
>> population has grown.
>>
>> Something is amiss !
>>
>> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased
>> with the product.
>>
>> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school
>> committee on March 28.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Jay Dwyer
>> 603.560.1787 c
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Bryce,
>>
>> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our
>> education, discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you
>> highlighted:
>>
>> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various
>> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the
>> absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our
>> education is good (or bad). "
>>
>> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School
>> Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven
>> evaluation criteria are.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Fuat Koro
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Jay,
>>>
>>> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a
>>> (perceived) problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I
>>> find it galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for
>>> the problem, but that's another issue for another time.  My recommendation
>>> is that you at least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the
>>> school's performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
>>>
>>> More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this
>>> multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to
>>> start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY
>>> think they should be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my
>>> attention... and vote.
>>>
>>> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's
>>> eristic pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT
>>> data), both my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were
>>> well prepared for high school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is
>>> there room for improvement?  Always.
>>>
>>> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or
>>> other private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a
>>> deeply personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a
>>> same-sex learning environment or they valued the private education
>>> experience or they wanted to provide more avenues for their child outs

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Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Sara Mattes]

All,
The reason I suggested looking a longitudinal trends is it would reveal whether 
or not this is a new phenomena.
Don’t look at population trends as this is an argument about whether or not the 
parents of school age children elect to send their kids to private vs public 
school.
So, you need the numbers of school age kids and where they are enrolled in 
school.

I was always told that approximately 25% of Lincoln kids exited the public 
schools for some other form of ed., usually private.

Is this urban myth or not?

Data should be the basis, not what we think..

--
Sara Mattes




> On Mar 24, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Richard Panetta  wrote:
> 
> Allen,
> 
> I would beg to differ. I’ll try and find the numbers but the enrollment goes 
> up and down. When I was in school we barely had 40 kids in our Brooks  
> graduating class. 25% then went on to private school. The enrollment then 
> went up around when Smith was renovated I believe.   
> 
> And is there an increase in empty nesters? With The commons coming online and 
> the increased tax rate here is that number increasing or decreasing? 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 5:24 PM Pastor Allen  > wrote:
> Sara is right: a lower birth rate and the resulting increasing percentage of 
> “Empty Nesters” and retired households in town are the biggest factor in 
> declining school enrollment - there are simply far fewer kids here than there 
> used to be.  …This trend has been obvious for decades.
> 
> The number of students leaving for private schools may be a factor, but I 
> would argue is insignificant in light of the general shrinking of the 
> available school-aged population.  ( I will agree, though, that the town’s 
> increasing average income and home values suggests that more families can 
> afford private schools nowadays.)
> 
> -Allen Vander Meulen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 16:45, Sara Mattes > > wrote:
>> 
>> Mr. Dwyer,
>> As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to conclusions 
>> and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe, what data have 
>> you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for private schools?
>> What have the numbers been over the years, decades?
>> Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sara Mattes
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Fuat,
>>> 
>>> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”.
>>> 
>>> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating 
>>> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the 
>>> number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded 
>>> what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the 
>>> population has grown.
>>> 
>>> Something is amiss !
>>> 
>>> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased 
>>> with the product.
>>> 
>>> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school 
>>> committee on March 28.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Jay Dwyer
>>> 603.560.1787 c
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro >>> > wrote:
 
 
 Bryce, 
 
 My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education, 
 discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted: 
 
 "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various 
 publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the 
 absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our 
 education is good (or bad). "
 
 Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School 
 Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven 
 evaluation criteria are. 
 
 Regards,
 Fuat Koro
 
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln 
 mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org>> wrote:
 Jay,
 
 I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived) 
 problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it 
 galling that you are using Niche.com  as your primary 
 source for the problem, but that's another issue for another time.  My 
 recommendation is that you at least start with the state-mandate 
 proficiency exams and the school's performance therein... btw, I have no 
 idea where LPS ranks.
 
 More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this 
 multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to 
 start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY 
 think they should be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my 
 attention... and vote.  
 

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem !

[Joan Kimball]

After reading Scott's email, I wondered  how Jay's concern about CRT
(Critical Race Theory --a subject taught in colleges and graduate schools)
has to do with his running for a seat on the Lincoln K-8 school committee.

I didn't receive Jay's flier and feel we all be able to understand.

Thanks,
Joan

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 4:31 PM JAY DWYER  wrote:

>
>
> “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation
> where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the
> content of their character.” MLK Jr.
>
> If you agree with this quote, as I do, vote for Joseph Dwyer for school
> committee on March 28.
>
> Jay Dwyer
> jaysp...@gmail.com
> 603.560.1787 c
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2022, at 5:32 PM, Scott Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Jay,
>
> I'd like to sincerely thank you for taking the time and money to send me
> your flyer today.
>
> *Instead of investing in Critical Race Therory, Jay will...*
>
> To be honest when I saw your concern about CRT, I immediately drove to
> Town Hall to vote *against* you.  I wasn't even sure who I would vote for
> in the other town races.
>
> I'd probably enourage anyone else to do a little more research than I did
> before heading to Town Hall, but in the end I'm happy to have been
> motivated to vote early today.
>
> You really did get someone out to vote today and I appreciate that!
>
> School committees across the country are finding themselves entangled in a
> CRT culture war that doesn't appear to have any benefits for kids.  No
> thanks, Jay!
>
>
> https://www.npr.org/2021/07/02/1012696188/how-critical-race-theory-went-from-harvard-law-to-fox-news
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Scott
>
>
> On Tuesday, 22 March 2022, 01:35:01 pm GMT-4, JAY DWYER <
> jaysp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Why ?
>
> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
>
>
> 59% proficient in math
> 61% proficient in english
>
> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
>
> You get an F for failure.
>
> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.
>
> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of
> Lincoln schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
> You know many families that have done this.
>
> We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she
> “liked that her son was not pushed too hard in school”
>
> This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future grades
> and in life.
>
> I have a solution they will not cost any money.
>
> 1) Written homework every night that is graded and handed back the next
> morning with a traditional % grade.
>
> 2) The final exam every week on what you learned that week.
>
> 3) A report card every Monday morning with average scores of Homeworks and
> grade on the final exam with a rank in class.
>
> I experience this program for three years in 6/7 and eighth grade. I went
> through Central Catholic high school in Lawrence it was easy. I graduated
> with a degree in economics from Georgetown university and felt 100%
> confident that I could learn anything.
>
> If these ideas makes sense to you I ask for your vote on March 28 for
> Lincoln school committee.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Joseph Dwyer
>
> Lincoln School Board Candidate
> 6 Emerson Rd
> Lincoln, Ma 01773
> jaysp...@gmail.com
> 603.560.1787 c
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Richard Panetta]

A quick look shows a decline of less than 100 students in the past 20 years
from mass.edu’s site. The question is where did those students go? We’re
they home schooled, go to private school or a natural decline in residency?



On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 5:24 PM Pastor Allen  wrote:

> Sara is right: a lower birth rate and the resulting increasing percentage
> of “Empty Nesters” and retired households in town are the biggest factor in
> declining school enrollment - there are simply far fewer kids here than
> there used to be.  …This trend has been obvious for decades.
>
> The number of students leaving for private schools may be a factor, but I
> would argue is insignificant in light of the general shrinking of the
> available school-aged population.  ( I will agree, though, that the town’s
> increasing average income and home values suggests that more families can
> afford private schools nowadays.)
>
> -Allen Vander Meulen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 24, 2022, at 16:45, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Mr. Dwyer,
> As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to
> conclusions and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe,
> what data have you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for
> private schools?
> What have the numbers been over the years, decades?
> Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Sara Mattes
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER  wrote:
>
> Hi Fuat,
>
> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”.
>
> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating
> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the
> number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded
> what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the
> population has grown.
>
> Something is amiss !
>
> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased
> with the product.
>
> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school
> committee on March 28.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jay Dwyer
> 603.560.1787 c
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro  wrote:
>
> 
> Bryce,
>
> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education,
> discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted:
>
> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various
> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the
> absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our
> education is good (or bad). "
>
> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School
> Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven
> evaluation criteria are.
>
> Regards,
> Fuat Koro
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> Jay,
>>
>> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived)
>> problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it
>> galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the
>> problem, but that's another issue for another time.  My recommendation is
>> that you at least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the
>> school's performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
>>
>> More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this
>> multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to
>> start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY
>> think they should be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my
>> attention... and vote.
>>
>> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's
>> eristic pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT
>> data), both my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were
>> well prepared for high school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is
>> there room for improvement?  Always.
>>
>> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or
>> other private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a
>> deeply personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a
>> same-sex learning environment or they valued the private education
>> experience or they wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside
>> of LS.
>>
>> Thanks for listening.
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER  wrote:
>>
>>> Why ?
>>>
>>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
>>>
>>>
>>> 59% proficient in math
>>> 61% proficient in english
>>>
>>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
>>>
>>> You get an F for failure.
>>>
>>> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.
>>>
>>> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of
>>> Lincoln schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
>>> You know ma

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Richard Panetta]

Allen,

I would beg to differ. I’ll try and find the numbers but the enrollment
goes up and down. When I was in school we barely had 40 kids in our Brooks
 graduating class. 25% then went on to private school. The enrollment then
went up around when Smith was renovated I believe.

And is there an increase in empty nesters? With The commons coming online
and the increased tax rate here is that number increasing or decreasing?



On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 5:24 PM Pastor Allen  wrote:

> Sara is right: a lower birth rate and the resulting increasing percentage
> of “Empty Nesters” and retired households in town are the biggest factor in
> declining school enrollment - there are simply far fewer kids here than
> there used to be.  …This trend has been obvious for decades.
>
> The number of students leaving for private schools may be a factor, but I
> would argue is insignificant in light of the general shrinking of the
> available school-aged population.  ( I will agree, though, that the town’s
> increasing average income and home values suggests that more families can
> afford private schools nowadays.)
>
> -Allen Vander Meulen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 24, 2022, at 16:45, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Mr. Dwyer,
> As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to
> conclusions and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe,
> what data have you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for
> private schools?
> What have the numbers been over the years, decades?
> Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Sara Mattes
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER  wrote:
>
> Hi Fuat,
>
> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”.
>
> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating
> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the
> number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded
> what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the
> population has grown.
>
> Something is amiss !
>
> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased
> with the product.
>
> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school
> committee on March 28.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jay Dwyer
> 603.560.1787 c
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro  wrote:
>
> 
> Bryce,
>
> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education,
> discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted:
>
> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various
> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the
> absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our
> education is good (or bad). "
>
> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School
> Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven
> evaluation criteria are.
>
> Regards,
> Fuat Koro
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> Jay,
>>
>> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived)
>> problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it
>> galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the
>> problem, but that's another issue for another time.  My recommendation is
>> that you at least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the
>> school's performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
>>
>> More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this
>> multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to
>> start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY
>> think they should be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my
>> attention... and vote.
>>
>> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's
>> eristic pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT
>> data), both my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were
>> well prepared for high school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is
>> there room for improvement?  Always.
>>
>> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or
>> other private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a
>> deeply personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a
>> same-sex learning environment or they valued the private education
>> experience or they wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside
>> of LS.
>>
>> Thanks for listening.
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER  wrote:
>>
>>> Why ?
>>>
>>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
>>>
>>>
>>> 59% proficient in math
>>> 61% proficient in english
>>>
>>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
>>>
>>> You get an F for failure.
>>>
>>> We spent $13 million

[LincolnTalk] INFO: It’s spring! Do you know where your septic system is?

[RAandBOB]

Did you know that you can destroy your septic system by improper use and lack 
of maintenance? And that it will cost you $10,000 - $50,000 to replace it?

Your septic tank is a living biological system. You can kill it by pouring 
chemicals down the drain. Your septic field consists of porous soil that allows 
the liquid effluent to slowly move into the soil to be cleaned. You can clog 
the pores by pouring grease, latex paint, etc. down the drain.

Moreover, a failed septic system can pollute the ground water, especially 
important if your property is in one of the special zones that supply water to 
our public drinking water well and pond.

You can find everything you need to know about protecting your septic system in 
the new educational document prepared for your benefit by the Board of Health 
and the Water Commissioners. Find it on the town website at:

http://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/72106/Care-of-Septic-Systems-FINAL-1-20-22

If you have questions, feel free to contact the Board of Health or the Water 
Department.

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Poland?

[Stephanie Smoot]

If your Polish, Russian and/or Ukrainian was good, you could probably be
quite helpful.  But  I'm seeing mostly requests for money.  What have
others heard?
Regards,
*Stephanie Smoot*

857 368-9175  work
781 941-6842  personal cell
*617 595-5217 *work cell
126 Chestnut Circle
Lincoln, MA 01773





Virus-free.
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On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 4:43 PM susan winship 
wrote:

> Anyone have any idea of how to volunteer in Poland?
> Susan
> Susan Winship, LICSW
> Executive Director
> South Sudanese Enrichment for Families
> PO Box 492
> Lincoln, MA 01773
> 781-424-8774
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Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Pastor Allen]

Sara is right: a lower birth rate and the resulting increasing percentage of 
“Empty Nesters” and retired households in town are the biggest factor in 
declining school enrollment - there are simply far fewer kids here than there 
used to be.  …This trend has been obvious for decades.

The number of students leaving for private schools may be a factor, but I would 
argue is insignificant in light of the general shrinking of the available 
school-aged population.  ( I will agree, though, that the town’s increasing 
average income and home values suggests that more families can afford private 
schools nowadays.)

-Allen Vander Meulen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 24, 2022, at 16:45, Sara Mattes  wrote:
> 
> Mr. Dwyer,
> As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to conclusions 
> and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe, what data have 
> you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for private schools?
> What have the numbers been over the years, decades?
> Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion.
> 
> Regards,
> Sara Mattes
> --
> Sara Mattes
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Fuat,
>> 
>> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”.
>> 
>> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating 
>> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the 
>> number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded 
>> what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the 
>> population has grown.
>> 
>> Something is amiss !
>> 
>> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased 
>> with the product.
>> 
>> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school 
>> committee on March 28.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Jay Dwyer
>> 603.560.1787 c
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bryce, 
>>> 
>>> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education, 
>>> discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted: 
>>> 
>>> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various 
>>> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the 
>>> absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our 
>>> education is good (or bad). "
>>> 
>>> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School 
>>> Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven 
>>> evaluation criteria are. 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Fuat Koro
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln 
>>>  wrote:
 Jay,
 
 I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived) 
 problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it 
 galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the 
 problem, but that's another issue for another time.  My recommendation is 
 that you at least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the 
 school's performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
 
 More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this 
 multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to 
 start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY 
 think they should be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my 
 attention... and vote.  
 
 Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's eristic 
 pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT data), 
 both my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were well 
 prepared for high school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is there 
 room for improvement?  Always.  
 
 Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or other 
 private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a deeply 
 personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a same-sex 
 learning environment or they valued the private education experience or 
 they wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside of LS.  
 
 Thanks for listening.
 
 Bryce
 
 
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER  wrote:
> Why ?
> 
> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
> 
> 
> 59% proficient in math
> 61% proficient in english 
> 
> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
> 
> You get an F for failure.
> 
> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.
> 
> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of 
> Lincoln schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
> You know many families that have done this.
> 
> We are not traditionally rigorous in te

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Anne Wang]

Just to clarify, the link that John gave for MCAS scores was for the entire
district (Hanscom + Lincoln).  However, roughly 1/3 of Hanscom students
enter and leave the district every year with almost all students staying no
more than 3 years so MCAS scores are not a good representation of the
quality of the education there.  A better comparison to Sudbury where the
student population is more consistent would be the Lincoln School:
https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/mcas/achievement_level.aspx?linkid=32&orgcode=01570025&orgtypecode=6&;.
These scores are very similar to Sudbury.

Anne

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 4:45 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Mr. Dwyer,
> As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to
> conclusions and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe,
> what data have you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for
> private schools?
> What have the numbers been over the years, decades?
> Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Sara Mattes
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER  wrote:
>
> Hi Fuat,
>
> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”.
>
> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating
> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the
> number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded
> what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the
> population has grown.
>
> Something is amiss !
>
> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased
> with the product.
>
> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school
> committee on March 28.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jay Dwyer
> 603.560.1787 c
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro  wrote:
>
> 
> Bryce,
>
> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education,
> discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted:
>
> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various
> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the
> absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our
> education is good (or bad). "
>
> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School
> Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven
> evaluation criteria are.
>
> Regards,
> Fuat Koro
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> Jay,
>>
>> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived)
>> problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it
>> galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the
>> problem, but that's another issue for another time.  My recommendation is
>> that you at least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the
>> school's performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
>>
>> More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this
>> multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to
>> start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY
>> think they should be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my
>> attention... and vote.
>>
>> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's
>> eristic pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT
>> data), both my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were
>> well prepared for high school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is
>> there room for improvement?  Always.
>>
>> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or
>> other private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a
>> deeply personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a
>> same-sex learning environment or they valued the private education
>> experience or they wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside
>> of LS.
>>
>> Thanks for listening.
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER  wrote:
>>
>>> Why ?
>>>
>>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
>>>
>>>
>>> 59% proficient in math
>>> 61% proficient in english
>>>
>>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
>>>
>>> You get an F for failure.
>>>
>>> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.
>>>
>>> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of
>>> Lincoln schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
>>> You know many families that have done this.
>>>
>>> We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she
>>> “liked that her son was not pushed too hard in school”
>>>
>>> This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future grades
>>> and in life.
>>>
>>> I have a solution they will not cost any money.
>>>
>>> 1) Written homework every night that is gr

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem !

[Sara Mattes]

And how do you propose we achieve this dream?

Sara Mattes
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> On Mar 23, 2022, at 7:27 PM, JAY DWYER  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation 
> where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content 
> of their character.” MLK Jr.
> 
> If you agree with this quote, as I do, vote for Joseph Dwyer for school 
> committee on March 28.
> 
> Jay Dwyer
> jaysp...@gmail.com
> 603.560.1787 c
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 5:32 PM, Scott Stewart  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> I'd like to sincerely thank you for taking the time and money to send me 
>> your flyer today. 
>> 
>> Instead of investing in Critical Race Therory, Jay will...
>> 
>> To be honest when I saw your concern about CRT, I immediately drove to Town 
>> Hall to vote against you.  I wasn't even sure who I would vote for in the 
>> other town races.  
>> 
>> I'd probably enourage anyone else to do a little more research than I did 
>> before heading to Town Hall, but in the end I'm happy to have been motivated 
>> to vote early today.
>> 
>> You really did get someone out to vote today and I appreciate that!
>> 
>> School committees across the country are finding themselves entangled in a 
>> CRT culture war that doesn't appear to have any benefits for kids.  No 
>> thanks, Jay!
>> 
>> https://www.npr.org/2021/07/02/1012696188/how-critical-race-theory-went-from-harvard-law-to-fox-news
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 22 March 2022, 01:35:01 pm GMT-4, JAY DWYER  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Why ?
>> 
>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
>> 
>> 
>> 59% proficient in math
>> 61% proficient in english 
>> 
>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
>> 
>> You get an F for failure.
>> 
>> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.
>> 
>> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of Lincoln 
>> schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
>> You know many families that have done this.
>> 
>> We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she 
>> “liked that her son was not pushed too hard in school”
>> 
>> This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future grades and 
>> in life.
>> 
>> I have a solution they will not cost any money.
>> 
>> 1) Written homework every night that is graded and handed back the next 
>> morning with a traditional % grade.
>> 
>> 2) The final exam every week on what you learned that week.
>> 
>> 3) A report card every Monday morning with average scores of Homeworks and 
>> grade on the final exam with a rank in class.
>> 
>> I experience this program for three years in 6/7 and eighth grade. I went 
>> through Central Catholic high school in Lawrence it was easy. I graduated 
>> with a degree in economics from Georgetown university and felt 100% 
>> confident that I could learn anything.
>> 
>> If these ideas makes sense to you I ask for your vote on March 28 for 
>> Lincoln school committee.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Joseph Dwyer
>> 
>> Lincoln School Board Candidate
>> 6 Emerson Rd
>> Lincoln, Ma 01773
>> jaysp...@gmail.com 
>> 603.560.1787 c
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Sara Mattes]

Mr. Dwyer,
As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to conclusions and 
answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe, what data have you 
used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for private schools?
What have the numbers been over the years, decades?
Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion.

Regards,
Sara Mattes
--
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> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER  wrote:
> 
> Hi Fuat,
> 
> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”.
> 
> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating 
> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the 
> number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded 
> what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the 
> population has grown.
> 
> Something is amiss !
> 
> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased 
> with the product.
> 
> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school 
> committee on March 28.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jay Dwyer
> 603.560.1787 c
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Bryce, 
>> 
>> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education, 
>> discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted: 
>> 
>> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various 
>> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the 
>> absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our 
>> education is good (or bad). "
>> 
>> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School 
>> Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven 
>> evaluation criteria are. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Fuat Koro
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln 
>> mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org>> wrote:
>> Jay,
>> 
>> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived) 
>> problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it 
>> galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the problem, 
>> but that's another issue for another time.  My recommendation is that you at 
>> least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the school's 
>> performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
>> 
>> More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this multi-pronged 
>> plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to start there and 
>> see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY think they should 
>> be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my attention... and vote.  
>> 
>> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's eristic 
>> pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT data), both 
>> my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were well prepared 
>> for high school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is there room for 
>> improvement?  Always.  
>> 
>> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or other 
>> private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a deeply 
>> personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a same-sex 
>> learning environment or they valued the private education experience or they 
>> wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside of LS.  
>> 
>> Thanks for listening.
>> 
>> Bryce
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER > > wrote:
>> Why ?
>> 
>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 59% proficient in math
>> 61% proficient in english 
>> 
>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
>> 
>> You get an F for failure.
>> 
>> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.
>> 
>> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of Lincoln 
>> schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
>> You know many families that have done this.
>> 
>> We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she 
>> “liked that her son was not pushed too hard in school”
>> 
>> This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future grades and 
>> in life.
>> 
>> I have a solution they will not cost any money.
>> 
>> 1) Written homework every night that is graded and handed back the next 
>> morning with a traditional % grade.
>> 
>> 2) The final exam every week on what you learned that week.
>> 
>> 3) A report card every Monday morning with average scores of Homeworks and 
>> grade on the final exam with a rank in class.
>> 
>> I experience this program for three years in 6/7 and eighth grade. I went 
>> through Central Catholic high school in Lawrence it was easy. I graduated 
>> with a degree in economics from Georgetown university and felt 100% 
>> confident that I could learn anything.

[LincolnTalk] Poland?

[susan winship]

Anyone have any idea of how to volunteer in Poland?
Susan
Susan Winship, LICSW
Executive Director
South Sudanese Enrichment for Families
PO Box 492
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Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem !

[JAY DWYER]

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation 
where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of 
their character.” MLK Jr.

If you agree with this quote, as I do, vote for Joseph Dwyer for school 
committee on March 28.

Jay Dwyer
jaysp...@gmail.com
603.560.1787 c



> On Mar 23, 2022, at 5:32 PM, Scott Stewart  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jay,
> 
> I'd like to sincerely thank you for taking the time and money to send me your 
> flyer today. 
> 
> Instead of investing in Critical Race Therory, Jay will...
> 
> To be honest when I saw your concern about CRT, I immediately drove to Town 
> Hall to vote against you.  I wasn't even sure who I would vote for in the 
> other town races.  
> 
> I'd probably enourage anyone else to do a little more research than I did 
> before heading to Town Hall, but in the end I'm happy to have been motivated 
> to vote early today.
> 
> You really did get someone out to vote today and I appreciate that!
> 
> School committees across the country are finding themselves entangled in a 
> CRT culture war that doesn't appear to have any benefits for kids.  No 
> thanks, Jay!
> 
> https://www.npr.org/2021/07/02/1012696188/how-critical-race-theory-went-from-harvard-law-to-fox-news
>  
> 
> Best Regards,
> Scott
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 22 March 2022, 01:35:01 pm GMT-4, JAY DWYER  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Why ?
> 
> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
> 
> 
> 59% proficient in math
> 61% proficient in english 
> 
> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
> 
> You get an F for failure.
> 
> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.
> 
> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of Lincoln 
> schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
> You know many families that have done this.
> 
> We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she 
> “liked that her son was not pushed too hard in school”
> 
> This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future grades and 
> in life.
> 
> I have a solution they will not cost any money.
> 
> 1) Written homework every night that is graded and handed back the next 
> morning with a traditional % grade.
> 
> 2) The final exam every week on what you learned that week.
> 
> 3) A report card every Monday morning with average scores of Homeworks and 
> grade on the final exam with a rank in class.
> 
> I experience this program for three years in 6/7 and eighth grade. I went 
> through Central Catholic high school in Lawrence it was easy. I graduated 
> with a degree in economics from Georgetown university and felt 100% confident 
> that I could learn anything.
> 
> If these ideas makes sense to you I ask for your vote on March 28 for Lincoln 
> school committee.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Joseph Dwyer
> 
> Lincoln School Board Candidate
> 6 Emerson Rd
> Lincoln, Ma 01773
> jaysp...@gmail.com
> 603.560.1787 c
> 
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[JAY DWYER]

Hi Fuat,

“There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”.

I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating performance. 
In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the number of 
students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded what did 
decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the population 
has grown.

Something is amiss !

People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased with 
the product.

If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school 
committee on March 28.

Thank you,

Jay Dwyer
603.560.1787 c



> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bryce, 
> 
> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education, 
> discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted: 
> 
> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various 
> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the absence 
> of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our education 
> is good (or bad). "
> 
> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School 
> Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven 
> evaluation criteria are. 
> 
> Regards,
> Fuat Koro
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln 
>>  wrote:
>> Jay,
>> 
>> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived) 
>> problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it 
>> galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the problem, 
>> but that's another issue for another time.  My recommendation is that you at 
>> least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the school's 
>> performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
>> 
>> More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this multi-pronged 
>> plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to start there and 
>> see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY think they should 
>> be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my attention... and vote.  
>> 
>> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's eristic 
>> pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT data), both 
>> my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were well prepared 
>> for high school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is there room for 
>> improvement?  Always.  
>> 
>> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or other 
>> private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a deeply 
>> personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a same-sex 
>> learning environment or they valued the private education experience or they 
>> wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside of LS.  
>> 
>> Thanks for listening.
>> 
>> Bryce
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER  wrote:
>>> Why ?
>>> 
>>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 59% proficient in math
>>> 61% proficient in english 
>>> 
>>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
>>> 
>>> You get an F for failure.
>>> 
>>> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.
>>> 
>>> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of 
>>> Lincoln schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
>>> You know many families that have done this.
>>> 
>>> We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she 
>>> “liked that her son was not pushed too hard in school”
>>> 
>>> This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future grades 
>>> and in life.
>>> 
>>> I have a solution they will not cost any money.
>>> 
>>> 1) Written homework every night that is graded and handed back the next 
>>> morning with a traditional % grade.
>>> 
>>> 2) The final exam every week on what you learned that week.
>>> 
>>> 3) A report card every Monday morning with average scores of Homeworks and 
>>> grade on the final exam with a rank in class.
>>> 
>>> I experience this program for three years in 6/7 and eighth grade. I went 
>>> through Central Catholic high school in Lawrence it was easy. I graduated 
>>> with a degree in economics from Georgetown university and felt 100% 
>>> confident that I could learn anything.
>>> 
>>> If these ideas makes sense to you I ask for your vote on March 28 for 
>>> Lincoln school committee.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joseph Dwyer
>>> 
>>> Lincoln School Board Candidate
>>> 6 Emerson Rd
>>> Lincoln, Ma 01773
>>> jaysp...@gmail.com
>>> 603.560.1787 c
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> https:

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[JAY DWYER]

Hi Bryce,

Thanks for bringing up your questions and concerns in the well reasoned manner.

You are correct, I do not have a background in education other than being 
educated in two systems. The first one was a public school where I was not 
thriving. The second one was a parochial school whic which challenge me in 
after three years of that I was able to go to any school and feel comfortable 
that I was not behind. 

I’m glad that your boys had a positive experience in the Lincoln schools and 
beyond. Part of that is from the school of course but I always think that the 
most important part is a family environment and attention to the value of 
schoolwork provided by the parents. You did your job!

The reason I am running is because I saw it from the outside at Lincoln school 
enrollment has been declining the last 10 years population of the town has been 
increasing. The information you shared about friends going to private schools 
is common.
The question that is not asked is “if cost was no object would you keep your 
child in Lincoln schools or go to a private school? “
I think we all know the answer to that question.

I know it worked for me and for many many other people so it is not anecdotal 
information. Rigorous work and accountability whether it was on the sports 
fields or in the classroom is a recipe for success.

I fully realize that as outsider I will not be invited to sit at the cool kids 
table.

If I can help the students of Lincoln become more successful in building a 
strong foundation for the future I will eat in the corner table by myself.

I’m OK with that.

If you want somebody who is willing to question the establishment asked for 
your vote on March 28 for Lincoln school committee.

Joseph Dwyer
603.560.1787 c



> On Mar 22, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Bryce Wells  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jay,
> 
> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived) 
> problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it 
> galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the problem, 
> but that's another issue for another time.  My recommendation is that you at 
> least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the school's 
> performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
> 
> More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this multi-pronged 
> plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to start there and 
> see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY think they should 
> be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my attention... and vote.  
> 
> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's eristic 
> pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT data), both 
> my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were well prepared for 
> high school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is there room for 
> improvement?  Always.  
> 
> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or other 
> private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a deeply 
> personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a same-sex 
> learning environment or they valued the private education experience or they 
> wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside of LS.  
> 
> Thanks for listening.
> 
> Bryce
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER  wrote:
>> Why ?
>> 
>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
>> 
>> 
>> 59% proficient in math
>> 61% proficient in english 
>> 
>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
>> 
>> You get an F for failure.
>> 
>> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.
>> 
>> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of Lincoln 
>> schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
>> You know many families that have done this.
>> 
>> We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she 
>> “liked that her son was not pushed too hard in school”
>> 
>> This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future grades and 
>> in life.
>> 
>> I have a solution they will not cost any money.
>> 
>> 1) Written homework every night that is graded and handed back the next 
>> morning with a traditional % grade.
>> 
>> 2) The final exam every week on what you learned that week.
>> 
>> 3) A report card every Monday morning with average scores of Homeworks and 
>> grade on the final exam with a rank in class.
>> 
>> I experience this program for three years in 6/7 and eighth grade. I went 
>> through Central Catholic high school in Lawrence it was easy. I graduated 
>> with a degree in economics from Georgetown university and felt 100% 
>> confident that I could learn anything.
>> 
>> If these ideas makes sense to you I ask for your vote on March 28 for 
>> Lincoln school committee.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Joseph Dwyer
>> 
>> Lincoln School Board Candidate
>> 6 Emerson Rd
>> 

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Fuat Koro]

Bryce,

My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education,
discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted:

"Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various
publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the
absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our
education is good (or bad). "

Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School
Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven
evaluation criteria are.

Regards,
Fuat Koro

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Jay,
>
> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived)
> problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it
> galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the
> problem, but that's another issue for another time.  My recommendation is
> that you at least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the
> school's performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
>
> More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this
> multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to
> start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY
> think they should be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my
> attention... and vote.
>
> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's eristic
> pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT data),
> both my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were well
> prepared for high school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is there
> room for improvement?  Always.
>
> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or other
> private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a deeply
> personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a same-sex
> learning environment or they valued the private education experience or
> they wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside of LS.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Bryce
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER  wrote:
>
>> Why ?
>>
>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
>>
>>
>> 59% proficient in math
>> 61% proficient in english
>>
>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
>>
>> You get an F for failure.
>>
>> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.
>>
>> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of
>> Lincoln schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
>> You know many families that have done this.
>>
>> We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she
>> “liked that her son was not pushed too hard in school”
>>
>> This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future grades
>> and in life.
>>
>> I have a solution they will not cost any money.
>>
>> 1) Written homework every night that is graded and handed back the next
>> morning with a traditional % grade.
>>
>> 2) The final exam every week on what you learned that week.
>>
>> 3) A report card every Monday morning with average scores of Homeworks
>> and grade on the final exam with a rank in class.
>>
>> I experience this program for three years in 6/7 and eighth grade. I went
>> through Central Catholic high school in Lawrence it was easy. I graduated
>> with a degree in economics from Georgetown university and felt 100%
>> confident that I could learn anything.
>>
>> If these ideas makes sense to you I ask for your vote on March 28 for
>> Lincoln school committee.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Joseph Dwyer
>>
>> Lincoln School Board Candidate
>> 6 Emerson Rd
>> Lincoln, Ma 01773
>> jaysp...@gmail.com
>> 603.560.1787 c
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Town land along Old County Rd

[llas902551--- via Lincoln]

I heard there  is lots of poison ivy. Don't know if infectious this time of 
year. B careful.LL

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Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[john gregg via Lincoln]

 
Bryce,
It is not a perceived problem, my child has expressed to me that he does not 
feel challenged and does not think he is being pushed outside of one subject 
where the teacher assigns more work, that is not perceived, that is a reality 
for me as a parent. I am not a fan of MCAS and standardized scores but this is 
the data we have that is real and tangible in comparison to Sudbury, apples to 
apples. I wish there was more accountability and if you look at the data for 
7th and 8th graders you will see a gap between the two districts that is real. 
We need less in the two categories of "Partially Meeting" or "Not Meeting" 
expectations, I hope we would all agree on that bit of information. 
Lincoln MCAS 2021: 
https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/mcas/achievement_level.aspx?linkid=32&orgcode=0157&orgtypecode=5&;

Sudbury MCAS 2021: 
https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/mcas/achievement_level.aspx?linkid=32&orgcode=0288&orgtypecode=5&;

I also do not see it as a problem that someone who is not an educator but is 
expressing concern over the state of our education system should not be 
criticized but encouraged even if you disagree, it means people are invested in 
improving what we already have in our schools and there is certainly nothing 
wrong with trying to push the kids a little more in Middle School grades 6-8. 
That is when we should be challenging our kids with critical thinking, with 
realistic expectations to always try and get better. I take my son to Math 
tutoring because he is interested in science from Mr Trant which requires math 
skills to get ahead in science. I also have had to reach out to my mother who 
is a retired Special Needs Teacher to read a book a month with my son and go 
over his reading comprehension skills via zoom calls. Kids should want to be 
pushed academically and athletically, it is healthy. Myself as a parent having 
to push my child to get extra help can be frustrating because, well he is a 
teenager and dad asking him to do more work does not always fly but it is 
required to play his sports.
I do agree that these ideas should be brought to Becky McFall and Sharon Hobbs, 
these are honest discussions that should be had and brought forward by the 
School Committee who should be advocating for the parents and students who 
attend the school. I would imagine if you took an anonymous survey you will 
find many more parents are concerned, with many feeling isolated so as to not 
rock the boat in this community. Time to put the personal feelings on the back 
burner and put the kids first, there is absolutely no reason why Lincoln should 
not be competing with districts like Weston instead of ranking Lincoln School 
at #162 in Massachusetts Elementary Schools and ranked #58 in Massachusetts 
Middle Schools. We can do and be better, and unless us adults can agree to take 
those steps we will fail our children by not listening to each other instead of 
taking shots at each other. 
Best Regards,John


On Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 01:59:50 PM EDT, Bryce Wells via Lincoln 
 wrote:  
 
 Jay,
I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived) 
problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it galling 
that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the problem, but that's 
another issue for another time.  My recommendation is that you at least start 
with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the school's performance 
therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this multi-pronged 
plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to start there and see 
WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY think they should be 
solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my attention... and vote.  

Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's eristic 
pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT data), both my 
boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were well prepared for high 
school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is there room for improvement?  
Always.  
Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or other 
private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a deeply personal 
one) communicated that they wanted their child in a same-sex learning 
environment or they valued the private education experience or they wanted to 
provide more avenues for their child outside of LS.  
Thanks for listening.
Bryce

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER  wrote:

Why ?

Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com


59% proficient in math
61% proficient in english 

What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?

You get an F for failure.

We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.

People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of Lincoln 
schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
You know 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Text of gas restrictions warrant article and motion

[Sara Mattes]

now I am really confused…could this be read to suggest that the act of 
constructing needs to be fossil-fuel free?I sure hope not.
--
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> On Mar 24, 2022, at 3:30 PM, Fred Hopengarten  
> wrote:
> 
> From a proponent prior email: The more precise link I meant to post is here: 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ydZLj5NgIobTmnVK58E6dhssQ5JhoGKE2F-ad39HzAY/edit
>  
> 
>  
> So I read the proposed Article 31. 
>  
> Comments:
> ·It allows amendments to the general bylaws, not just the zoning 
> bylaws. This should be forbidden. It is a terrible idea to hide 
> constructionmatters in general bylaws, as they are rarely read by potential 
> homeowners, builders, developers and architects. Want to hide the salami? Put 
> it in the general bylaws. Construction rules should be in the building code. 
> Articles put forward by 8th graders are put in the general bylaws.
>  
> Just how obscure are the general bylaws, so as to justify the concern that 
> they are rarely read? Well, here’s one general bylaw.
>  
> Article XI, Section 2. Town Seal and Sealed Instruments A. The design of the 
> Town Seal shall be: a circle, in the border the words "Lincoln. Incorporated 
> in 1746 as a precinct; in 1754 as a Town"; in the center, a shield, in the 
> chief or upper part of which on a cross, gules, a fleur-de-lis, gold, from 
> the old seal of Lincoln, England, and in the base of the shield a view of the 
> present Town Hall; crest, the old chestnut tree standing upon the Common in 
> Lincoln; in saltire two shepherd's crooks.
>  
> And here’s the Town Seal:
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Does the present Town Seal look like the present Town Hall? No, because it is 
> Bemis Hall. THAT’S how obscure the general bylaws are.
>  
>  
> ·Article 31 would “restrict construction projects that do not qualify 
> as fossil-fuel-free.” English is my first language, yet I wonder: What does 
> this say?
>  
> It “restricts”  (but does not prohibit – the first negative in the sentence)  
> . . .
> That “do not qualify” (this is the second negative in the sentence) . . .
> As “fossil-fuel-free” (this is the third negative in sentence) . . .
>  
> Why did they write a sentence in the triple negative? It is not good drafting.
>  
> ·Now on to the cross-reference. Article 31 defines “fossil-fuel-free” 
> with wording that is very odd.
>  
> “the term “fossil-fuel-free” shall mean new building construction or major 
> renovation that results in an entire building or an entire condominium unit 
> that does not utilize coal, oil, natural gas, other fuel hydrocarbons 
> (including synthetic equivalents), or other fossil fuels in support of its 
> operation (including for heating or cooking) after construction,”
>  
> If they meant to define “projects” as “new building construction or major 
> renovation,” they didn’t. There is no definition of “projects.” Will the 
> construction of a fire pit, or a brick pizza oven, result in “an entire 
> building” that is not fossil-free?
>  
> ·And “fossil-fuel-free” (a negative term) is defined as a result 
> “that does not utilize fuel hydrocarbons.” A double negative.
>  
> So what does this mean after you get through the four negatives?
> 1.  Restricts (a negative)
> 2.  Do not qualify (a negative)
> 3.  Fossil-fuel-free (a negative: no fossil fuels)
> 4.  Not fuel hydrocarbons (a negative)
>  
> Do you find this confusing? If you do, it is not yet ready for Town Meeting.
>  
> Wood pellets and biomass are good renewables. And then there is the public 
> policy issue. Does Article 31 ban wood pellets or biomass as a fuel to heat a 
> project? Wood pellets and biomass are widely seen as a good source of fuel 
> because these sources are completely renewable. Does Article 31 deal with 
> renewable hydrocarbon fuel? What have the proponents got against those two 
> renewable sources of heat? 
>  
> Finally – Each year my backyard forest leaves a lot of wood on the ground – 
> which I burn while watching football and hockey games, and burn to grill 
> salmon.
>  
> Article 31 speaks to “heating or cooking.”  Does it ban a fireplace and 
> wood-fired grill? Should we make Dad a criminal?
>  
> After wading through four negatives, trying to figure out what a “project” 
> is, and worrying about a fireplace and a grill, I oppose Article 31.
>  
> I am reminded of the military expression – “Those who want to have fun talk 
> about strategy and tactics. Those who are serious talk about logistics.” The 
> logistics for reducing carbon emissions involve seeking an amendment to the 
> state building code, or the International Residential Code(IRC). Do that and 
> you’ll see a robust and well-informed discussion. Want to make a statement 
> with little impact? Want to make a real difference? Work on the State 
> Building Code or the IRC. Creating a special building code for Li

Re: [LincolnTalk] Local or known photo restoration company?

[Sara Mattes]

Me too-please include me in all responses.
Thanks.
Sara 
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> Hi Folks,
>  I'm looking for a local or known photo restoration company.
> 
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[LincolnTalk] Referral Wanted -Upholstery Cleaner whose products do not leave a strong perfume or chemical odor

[Marie Keutmann]

I am looking for an upholstery cleaner to clean a couch and several
armchairs and whose products do not leave a strong odor which could
exacerbate my allergies.
Marie Keutmann
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[LincolnTalk] Local or known photo restoration company?

[Nadia Jackson]

Hi Folks,
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Garden Help

[Corey Nimmer]

Hi Robin,

If you’re still looking for some help with your garden I’d love to chat about 
it when it’s convenient for you. I have a strong back and a lot of interest in 
ecological garden design, along with experience in landscaping, knowledge of 
native plants, and a degree in natural resource conservation. 

I run a photography business, have a 6 month old baby, and have to work on our 
farm (I live at Matlock Farm on Lexington Rd.) so 2-4 hours per week is 
probably the extent of my availability, but I’d love the opportunity to learn 
some things from you and to work on such a beautiful garden (I’ve never seen it 
in person but have heard it’s amazing!) 

My cell number is 617-319-3913 or email works fine for correspondence. Thanks 
for your consideration, hope to hear from you soon! 

Best, 

Corey

Corey Nimmer
Owner/Photographer
Corey Flint Photography
www.coreyflint.com
(617) 319-3913




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[LincolnTalk] Recommending our nanny!!

[Sasha Dages]

We are moving at the beginning on May and our incredible nanny--who we
truly love and are really going to miss--will be looking for a new family
to join. She would ideally like 40 hours a week. She lives in Waltham, has
her own car, and is such a warm, kind, trustworthy person. Both of my kids
(1.5 and 4) love her and look forward to seeing her everyday. I'm happy to
share more and she can provide other references as well.

If you're interested, send me an email with what you're looking for, and
I'll connect you.
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[LincolnTalk] Helping Ukraine

[Lynne Smith]

If you want to help Ukraine with a donation, please read this letter from a Wayland resident.  You may need to cut and paste the organization website name into your browser.


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[LincolnTalk] Updated ISO studio, large room : providing help with petcare

[Andrea Reynes]

ISO room: (previously posted) Long time Lincoln resident willing to provide
petcare for reduced rent. Andrea Reynes has a 20 plus years professional
petsitting business for large and small animals.
Quiet, responsible tenant.
Local well established references, including landlord of 24 years.
cheval1...@gmail.com
781-259-8396.

Kind Regards,

Andrea Reynes


Andrea Reynes
Animal Journalist
Animal Care
Lincoln,MA
781-259-8396
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[LincolnTalk] LCOA&HS Activities March 28 through April 1

[Gagne, Amy]

Hello to Everyone:

Come and visit us at Bemis Hall!
Monday, March 28
 9:30  French Conversation via Zoom with Maurice
10:00-12   Wellness Clinic at Lincoln Woods
(new tai chi session starts week of April 4)

Tuesday, March 29
  9:30-11:00 Knitting Group at Bemis Hall
11:15Stretch and Flex exercise at Bemis
12:15Active Aging exercise at Bemis

Wednesday, March 30
11:00   Line Dancing at Bemis Hall
(new tai Chi session starts week of April 4)
 3:00   Open Art Studio at Bemis Hall

Thursday, March 31
  9:00-12:00 Veterans Office Hours at Bemis Hall
11:15Stretch and Flex exercise at Bemis
12:15Active Aging exercise at Bemis

Friday, April 1
10:00German Conversation via Zoom
10:00SAIL Class with Derry via Zoom

  Lots of news to read in the April Newsletter..Sign up for lunches, trips or 
the "NEW" Salon Day!!

Amy Gagne
Assistant Director
Council On Aging & Human Services
Bemis Hall
15 Bedford Road (mailing address 16 Lincoln Road)
Lincoln, MA 01773
781-259-8811  x102
Email: gag...@lincolntown.org
Weekly Office Hours:  Tuesday through Friday
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Support for Planning Board Incumbents

[Joan Kimball]

We too support the incumbants, Margaret Olson and Steve Gladstone because
of their outstanding work on the planning board.  We second Dilla Tingley
in sending thanks to Allen Vander Meulen for writing such a good letter on
their behalf.

We hope you will join us  in voting for Margaret Olson and Steve Gladstone!

Joan and John Kimball




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> I applaud Allen Vander Meulen for his wonderful letter supporting the
> excellent work of Margaret Olsen and Steve Gladstone and I also urge
> everyone to vote for them for reelection.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Plumber recommendation

[Danielle Pierce]

Fred Brooks- +1 (978) 793-3809.

He is a miracle worker.  We had an emergency plumbing need. Fred amazingly 
managed to fit us in just an hour later. While here, he fixed a bunch of other 
little things very quickly. We will be using him again soon.  Extremely 
impressed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Leo Gill  wrote:
> 
> 
> greetings LT, 
> Today, I am posting in search of a quality plumber. I would like to put an 
> additional spigot outside my home. I am looking for a plumber with the 
> ability to complete such a task without breaking the bank. I appreciate all 
> recommendations.
> Regards,
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[LincolnTalk] FS - Yale University Wedgwood dinner plates

[cldl]

I am selling 9 Yale University dinner plates issued in 1949 and no longer made. 
If you want an extra chipped plate of Timothy Dwight College it is free. All 9 
are in excellent condition - only displayed on a wall, never used for meals.  
Several of these plates recently sold in the Yale Alumnae Magazine for $65.00 a 
plate - Plates on google and Replacements are equally priced. I am asking for 
$50.00 per plate or best realistic offer.  I would prefer to sell them as a 
group.

2 x - Yale College Fence and College with Elm Tree

1x - Connecticut Hall 1752

3x -  Davenport College

1x - Sheffield Hall 1859-1931

2x -  Yale College 1718 - from the Greenwood-Johnston engraving 1745

Wedgwood, through Boston ceramic importer Jones, McDuffee and Stratton, issued 
a set of plates for the Yale University in 1931: twelve different views, 
transfer printed in blue on a 10.5 inch diameter Queensware (earthenware) 
plate, with a floral border and slightly scalloped edge. These plates proved so 
popular with alumni/ae that they were reissued several times, and matching 
salad plates, bread plates, cups and saucers, platters, teapot, creamer and 
sugar bowl were also made, making Yale's china one of the most extensive 
services of collegiate china ever made by Wedgwood. 

If you are interested, call me at 781-259-0494.
Thank you - Diane



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[LincolnTalk] Pierce House Video Project

[Geoffrey Hargreaves-Heald]

Hello LincolnTalk

I'm trying to gather materials for a video about the Pierce House: its
history and architecture, as well as its use for town events and as a
venue. The intended audience for this video is Lincoln residents. It's
possible that it could become part of a series (with a name like "Portraits
of Lincoln"), whose goal is to provide a simple appreciation of some of the
places and people of Lincoln, including town employees.

I'd thought that Pierce House materials would be abundant and easy to get
hold of, but it hasn't turned out that way.

Despite the great efforts of town archivist Virginia Rundell, and help from
Jim Cunningham, Lincoln A/V, PH Director Victoria Otis, former PH manager
Richard Silver, Pierce House committee member Gus Browne and chair Terry
Green, and from Lincoln Historical Society president Sara Mattes, and town
historian Jack MacLean, I still have a ways to go.

This is a request for any photographs (or film/videos) you may have that
help "tell the story" of the Pierce House history. This would include (but
not be limited to) photographs of the property:


   - prior to construction (Jack has provided one that may work but more
   are welcome);
   - with the house under construction;
   - in use by the Pierce family (including the barn); and
   - in use by the Town prior to establishment of the park.

Please respond back directly to me if you have anything you think could
help.

Many thanks.

Geoff Hargreaves-Heald
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[LincolnTalk] ISO Help hauling TV, etc. to Transfer Station

[Lynne Smith]

I have several heavy items I’d like to take to the Transfer Station in the next 
few weeks. I will pay 2 people $200 for this assistance. I think it will not 
take more than 2 hours so that’s $50 per hour.  A truck or large SUV would be 
helpful but not essential. Great job for strong high schoolers who can help on 
Wednesday or Saturday when the Transfer Station is open.  Please reply only to 
me:  ly...@smith.net .

Lynne Smith
5 Tabor Hill Road
Lincoln, MA 01773
cell:  781-258-1175
ly...@smith.net



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[LincolnTalk] Support for Planning Board Incumbents

[dilla tingley]

I applaud Allen Vander Meulen for his wonderful letter supporting the
excellent work of Margaret Olsen and Steve Gladstone and I also urge
everyone to vote for them for reelection.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Safety of electric vehicle batteries

[Richard Panetta]

Roy,

Thank you for your research of my question . This does address some of my
concerns on EVs

I appreciate you looking into it this

Rich

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 10:56 PM ROY HARVEY  wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> I spoke today (3/23) with Lieutenant Ben Juhola, Training Coordinator of
> the Lincoln Fire Department (LFD), about EV fire safety.  He told me the
> following (any transcription errors are mine):
>
>- All members of the LFD have been certified through the fire academy
>on fire behavior, vehicle fires, house fires, propane / natural gas fires,
>mobile home fires, brush fires, multiple story fires, tanker and
>transportation mode fires, and electrical fires, among others.
>
>
>- It takes about 2,000 to 4,000 gallons or more to put out a typical
>EV fire, which may need to be cooled as well as smothered.  (A typical
>combustion-engine car fire takes about 500 to 2,000 gallons of water.)
>- Engine 2 carries 1,900 gallons of water; Engine 3 carries 750
>gallons.
>- Each truck carries 1500 feet of hose to pump additional water from a
>hydrant.
>- Engine 2 and Engine 3 also carry fire-fighting foam.
>- LFD has pre-existing plans for each home in town for how to respond
>to a call, including which trucks to send and where to station them.
>- There have been no EV fires in Lincoln to date.
>- LFD doesn’t have specific recommendations for EV owners regarding
>fire safety.
>- EV owners may notify LFD that they park an EV at their home.
>
> I am grateful to Lt Juhola for this information and to the entire Fire
> Department for their preparedness and dedication.
>
> Separately, note that the RMV offers "EV' plates for electric vehicles,
> which can help firefighters identify EVs.
>
> I hope this answers your questions on EV fire safety; if not, feel free to
> contact me.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Roy Harvey
>
>
>
>
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