Re: [LincolnTalk] On yesterday's HCA meeting

[RAandBOB]

It upsets me a great deal when I hear aspersions like this cast on town boards. The development on Mary’s Way was seen by the town as a way to protect the town from 40 B developments for several years ahead. It also allowed us to provide some much needed moderate income housing and add to the net zero housing stock. I was on the water commission while this project was being considered, and, after doing due diligence to ensure that the water supply could support the new project and requiring them to put individual water metering on each unit, we approved for the above reasons. I personally know most of the people on the other town boards and not one of them is anything less than honestly devoted to the welfare of the town.Ruth Ann Hendrickson(She, her, hers)On Oct 12, 2023, at 2:48 PM, Susanna Szeto  wrote:Follow the money and maybe we can find the reason!On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:20 PM, Cathy O'Brien  wrote:This sounds like it is being “fast tracked”Very similar to “oriole landing” approval of their development I think it Was approved in 9 months- fastest development approval in LincolnCommon denominator- CIVICOIn full disclosure I am the largest abutter to oriole landingBut I truly believe there is shenanigans with some sort of secret relationship with in LincolnNO development moves this fast in Lincoln Why is ONE developer been the SOLE company to be the finalist in the 2 largest housing increase in a small amount of time for such a small town…And if I recall… CIVICO was involved in building the school….There is something not right about this….Cathy obrien3 Mary’s way On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 6:29 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:I encourage all those interested who were not able to attend to
watch the Q&A portion of the HCA meeting last night once it is uploaded.

The committee spent a lot of time reviewing what has been
accomplished to date and discussing amongst themselves but little time was dedicated to public debate. Few of the
public questions were actually answered by the committee, at times the mic was
just passed on to the next question without any response. This is similar to
previous meetings, where there is little room for resident debate. In my
opinion, the outreach has been one-directional. The working group is composed only of people who sit on other boards, are town employees, or work for the
RLF. There is no opportunity for a regular resident or member-at-large to be
part of the decision-making. There are outstanding resident questions that the
committee hasn’t answered.The town legal counsel was present during the meeting. When asked
why the Committee was contradicting his counsel as stated on public record, he
indicated that he had changed his mind on the enforceability of compliance. He
did not provide any facts to explain this reversal. He said that his new stance
had come from a collaborative effort with his partners. This was very surprising to
hear, as this very same law firm is defending the town of Holden, which has
decided not to comply with the HCA. Our lawyer's partners at his firm, KP Law, wrote a motion to
dismiss the action against Holden. We should not be rushing to
comply just because “non-compliance is a risk” given our own lawyer's firm
seems to be giving other towns the opposite message to what they are telling
us. There are other towns like Weston which seem to be comfortable taking a
wait-and-see approach.The committee repeated its claim that we will lose millions in
grant money by not complying. However, we have never received any money from
the grants named in the actual HCA legislation. When this was brought up, the
committee did not respond. The committee claims we should comply because we
could use one of the grant programs to update the Village Center septic system
to benefit a private developer. I struggle to understand why the town would
need to fund this private enterprise. Wouldn’t we be setting a terrible
precedent?The committee continues to quote a pandemic-era traffic study and
a flawed financial analysis to claim there is "no impact" to current
residents. The financial analysis used a cost per student of $6.3K, when our
school's cost per student is at least 4 times that. 
















This  report from the
Department of Education puts LPS (excluding Hanscom) at $27K per pupil. The
town with the lowest cost per pupil in the state is at $13K, nowhere close to
the $6K. Using accurate numbers for that financial analysis would imply steep tax increases for current Lincoln residents. Let's remember that in this
case, we are talking about apartments being rented starting at $4K a month.I strongly believe in providing full transparency on the impact of
rezoning to the town. If there is a tax and traffic impact, we need to be clear
on it. The town may decide to take on these costs in the spirit of increasing
housing, but it should be up to each resident to decide that for themselves,
after being provided an accurate cost/benefit analysis. Resident

Re: [LincolnTalk] The World Around Us

[Jeffrey C. Mizrahi via Lincoln]

Most definitely...J

On 10/12/2023 9:57 PM, Ellen Waldron wrote:

I couldn’t agree more!

ellen

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 12, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln 
 wrote:



While we spend our time debating about a structure of a local 
community center or whether we change the peaceful rural setting of 
Lincoln with new zoning, we need to put this all in perspective with 
what is going on in the world around us. The atrocities being 
suffered by innocent people of all ages in Israel is unspeakable. As 
I watch the video footage on CNN I cannot understand how the brains 
of fellow human beings can get them to murder people, behead 
children, and then be laughing as well?? How could these horrors be 
perpetuated by our fellow human beings with whom we share so much of 
our DNA? I am grieving for all my friends and colleagues in Israel 
who are suffering right now and because of this the size of a 
community center that supposedly draws people together or zoning that 
will bring more diversity into our "peaceful" town has very little 
meaning to me right now.
We must speak out loudly against these horrible happenings and not 
remain silent--even as we write on Lincoln Talk...


Lynn DeLisi
125 South Great Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] The World Around Us

[Ellen Waldron]

I couldn’t agree more!

ellen 

Sent from my iPhone


> On Oct 12, 2023, at 2:49 PM, Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> While we spend our time debating about a structure of a local community 
> center or whether we change the peaceful rural setting of Lincoln with new 
> zoning, we need to put this all in perspective with what is going on in the 
> world around us. The atrocities being suffered by innocent people of all ages 
> in Israel is unspeakable. As I watch the video footage on CNN I cannot 
> understand how the brains of fellow human beings can get them to murder 
> people, behead children, and then be laughing as well?? How could these 
> horrors be perpetuated by our fellow human beings with whom we share so much 
> of our DNA? I am grieving for all my friends and colleagues in Israel who are 
> suffering right now and because of this the size of a community center that 
> supposedly draws people together or zoning that will bring more diversity 
> into our "peaceful" town has very little meaning to me right now.
> We must speak out loudly against these horrible happenings and not remain 
> silent--even as we write on Lincoln Talk...
> 
> Lynn DeLisi
> 125 South Great Rd
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[LincolnTalk] Bollywood with Lana dance event this Sunday at Codman!

[Lana]

Announcement!!! 💃💃💃

Drop in Bollywood dance event this Sunday,
October 15 at 5:30PM at the beautiful Codman farm barn, 58 Codman rd,
Lincoln. $20

 We will start with 15 minute Bollywood dance workshop, then dance BollyX
for an hour. This is a follow along class, everyone is welcome, no previous
dance experience is required. Wear sneakers and bring a water bottle, there
will be some serious cardio!
🤩💃😁

 Please don’t hesitate to message me if you have any questions!

Lana

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[LincolnTalk] 5th and 6th Grade Girls Basketball

[Elizabeth Butler Everitt]

Hi everyone -

If you have a 5th or 6th grader interested in playing on a Lincoln
basketball team (playing in the girls Sudbury League
), we'd
love to have them join!

The last few years, we've had a great group of 3rd and 4th graders playing
- and half are in 5th grade this year. We will probably have space to have
a few more players this year - 5th or 6th graders. It would be great to get
a few 6th graders, who I think missed their inaugural basketball year
because of the pandemic.

Send me an email if interested, and I will make sure you can get put on the
Lincoln team.

Thanks,
Liz
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Snow Plowing Recomendations

[ddowning09]

I've used Dave Aster in North Lincoln for 20 years. He's reliable and 
reasonable. He plows all around Lincoln.5083537360...Dan
 Original message From: Nicole Kaplan  Date: 
10/12/23  2:49 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: lincoln@lincolntalk.org Subject: 
[LincolnTalk] Snow Plowing Recomendations Good morning Lincoln Neighbors!I need 
to get a couple quotes for snow plow services (including some shoveling and 
salt application) Any recommendations for someone reliable would be 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] On yesterday's HCA meeting

[Margo Fisher-Martin]

Hi,

>From also being an attendee at that HCA meeting, the takeaway for me was
that we DO need to look at the process. I appreciate all of the hard work
of the committees and boards, but some thing is ineffective about the
process, because all of the resident input collected was only based on a
few hundred people total. This means that few people attended the SOTT
meeting. Many do not check the Lincoln website and are not on the Lincoln
Talk. I agree though- many of us need to step up and think and work
constructively together. I do not blame the board members and again I
appreciate the huge amount of work and time they’ve invested. I can
understand after all of their hard work why they would want to push option
C through, but I hope they/we can continue to creatively think of other
options. There is still time before the December meeting. Also, the state
is pushing this law to beef up ridership on the failing MBTA system- which
will not happen unless the MBTA steps up the services they provide.

Respectfully,
Cookie Martin

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 2:52 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:

> Airing grievances about the process and the unfairness of the law itself.
> I do not think as a good strategy.
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 2:50 PM Susanna Szeto  wrote:
>
>> Follow the money and maybe we can find the reason!
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:20 PM, Cathy O'Brien 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> This sounds like it is being “fast tracked”
>>
>> Very similar to “oriole landing” approval of their development I think it
>> Was approved in 9 months- fastest development approval in Lincoln
>>
>> Common denominator- CIVICO
>>
>> In full disclosure I am the largest abutter to oriole landing
>>
>> But I truly believe there is shenanigans with some sort of secret
>> relationship with in Lincoln
>>
>> NO development moves this fast in Lincoln
>>
>>
>> Why is ONE developer been the SOLE company to be the finalist in the 2
>> largest housing increase in a small amount of time for such a small town…
>>
>> And if I recall… CIVICO was involved in building the school….
>>
>> There is something not right about this….
>>
>>
>> Cathy obrien
>> 3 Mary’s way
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 6:29 PM Karla Gravis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I encourage all those interested who were not able to attend to watch
>>> the Q&A portion of the HCA meeting last night once it is uploaded.
>>>
>>>
>>>- The committee spent a lot of time reviewing what has been
>>>accomplished to date and discussing amongst themselves but little time 
>>> was
>>>dedicated to public debate. Few of the public questions were actually
>>>answered by the committee, at times the mic was just passed on to the 
>>> next
>>>question without any response. This is similar to previous meetings, 
>>> where
>>>there is little room for resident debate. In my opinion, the outreach has
>>>been one-directional. The working group is composed only of people who 
>>> sit
>>>on other boards, are town employees, or work for the RLF. There is no
>>>opportunity for a regular resident or member-at-large to be part of the
>>>decision-making. There are outstanding resident questions that the
>>>committee hasn’t answered.
>>>- The town legal counsel was present during the meeting. When asked
>>>why the Committee was contradicting his counsel as stated on public 
>>> record,
>>>he indicated that he had changed his mind on the enforceability of
>>>compliance. He did not provide any facts to explain this reversal. He 
>>> said
>>>that his new stance had come from a collaborative effort with his
>>>partners. This was very surprising to hear, as this very same law firm is
>>>defending the town of Holden, which has decided not to comply with the 
>>> HCA.
>>>Our lawyer's partners at his firm, KP Law, wrote a motion to dismiss the
>>>action against Holden. We should not be rushing to comply just because
>>>“non-compliance is a risk” given our own lawyer's firm seems to be giving
>>>other towns the opposite message to what they are telling us. There are
>>>other towns like Weston which seem to be comfortable taking a 
>>> wait-and-see
>>>approach.
>>>- The committee repeated its claim that we will lose millions in
>>>grant money by not complying. However, we have never received any money
>>>from the grants named in the actual HCA legislation. When this was 
>>> brought
>>>up, the committee did not respond. The committee claims we should comply
>>>because we could use one of the grant programs to update the Village 
>>> Center
>>>septic system to benefit a private developer. I struggle to understand 
>>> why
>>>the town would need to fund this private enterprise. Wouldn’t we be 
>>> setting
>>>a terrible precedent?
>>>- The committee continues to quote a pandemic-era traffic study and
>>>a flawed financial analysis to claim there is "no impact" to current
>>>residents. The financial ana

Re: [LincolnTalk] On yesterday's HCA meeting

[Robert Ahlert]

Airing grievances about the process and the unfairness of the law itself. I
do not think as a good strategy.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 2:50 PM Susanna Szeto  wrote:

> Follow the money and maybe we can find the reason!
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:20 PM, Cathy O'Brien 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> This sounds like it is being “fast tracked”
>
> Very similar to “oriole landing” approval of their development I think it
> Was approved in 9 months- fastest development approval in Lincoln
>
> Common denominator- CIVICO
>
> In full disclosure I am the largest abutter to oriole landing
>
> But I truly believe there is shenanigans with some sort of secret
> relationship with in Lincoln
>
> NO development moves this fast in Lincoln
>
>
> Why is ONE developer been the SOLE company to be the finalist in the 2
> largest housing increase in a small amount of time for such a small town…
>
> And if I recall… CIVICO was involved in building the school….
>
> There is something not right about this….
>
>
> Cathy obrien
> 3 Mary’s way
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 6:29 PM Karla Gravis 
> wrote:
>
>> I encourage all those interested who were not able to attend to watch the
>> Q&A portion of the HCA meeting last night once it is uploaded.
>>
>>
>>- The committee spent a lot of time reviewing what has been
>>accomplished to date and discussing amongst themselves but little time was
>>dedicated to public debate. Few of the public questions were actually
>>answered by the committee, at times the mic was just passed on to the next
>>question without any response. This is similar to previous meetings, where
>>there is little room for resident debate. In my opinion, the outreach has
>>been one-directional. The working group is composed only of people who sit
>>on other boards, are town employees, or work for the RLF. There is no
>>opportunity for a regular resident or member-at-large to be part of the
>>decision-making. There are outstanding resident questions that the
>>committee hasn’t answered.
>>- The town legal counsel was present during the meeting. When asked
>>why the Committee was contradicting his counsel as stated on public 
>> record,
>>he indicated that he had changed his mind on the enforceability of
>>compliance. He did not provide any facts to explain this reversal. He said
>>that his new stance had come from a collaborative effort with his
>>partners. This was very surprising to hear, as this very same law firm is
>>defending the town of Holden, which has decided not to comply with the 
>> HCA.
>>Our lawyer's partners at his firm, KP Law, wrote a motion to dismiss the
>>action against Holden. We should not be rushing to comply just because
>>“non-compliance is a risk” given our own lawyer's firm seems to be giving
>>other towns the opposite message to what they are telling us. There are
>>other towns like Weston which seem to be comfortable taking a wait-and-see
>>approach.
>>- The committee repeated its claim that we will lose millions in
>>grant money by not complying. However, we have never received any money
>>from the grants named in the actual HCA legislation. When this was brought
>>up, the committee did not respond. The committee claims we should comply
>>because we could use one of the grant programs to update the Village 
>> Center
>>septic system to benefit a private developer. I struggle to understand why
>>the town would need to fund this private enterprise. Wouldn’t we be 
>> setting
>>a terrible precedent?
>>- The committee continues to quote a pandemic-era traffic study and a
>>flawed financial analysis to claim there is "no impact" to current
>>residents. The financial analysis used a cost per student of $6.3K, when
>>our school's cost per student is at least 4 times that.  This
>>  report
>>from the Department of Education puts LPS (excluding Hanscom) at $27K per
>>pupil. The town with the lowest cost per pupil in the state is at $13K,
>>nowhere close to the $6K. Using accurate numbers for that financial
>>analysis would imply steep tax increases for current Lincoln residents.
>>Let's remember that in this case, we are talking about apartments being
>>rented starting at $4K a month.
>>- I strongly believe in providing full transparency on the impact of
>>rezoning to the town. If there is a tax and traffic impact, we need to be
>>clear on it. The town may decide to take on these costs in the spirit of
>>increasing housing, but it should be up to each resident to decide that 
>> for
>>themselves, after being provided an accurate cost/benefit analysis.
>>Residents have volunteered to conduct this analysis, but the committee has
>>not taken them up on the offer, so far.
>>- There seems to be a reluctance from the committee to provide more
>>than o

[LincolnTalk] The World Around Us

[Lynn DeLisi, M.D. via Lincoln]

While we spend our time debating about a structure of a local community center 
or whether we change the peaceful rural setting of Lincoln with new zoning, we 
need to put this all in perspective with what is going on in the world around 
us. The atrocities being suffered by innocent people of all ages in Israel is 
unspeakable. As I watch the video footage on CNN I cannot understand how the 
brains of fellow human beings can get them to murder people, behead children, 
and then be laughing as well?? How could these horrors be perpetuated by our 
fellow human beings with whom we share so much of our DNA? I am grieving for 
all my friends and colleagues in Israel who are suffering right now and because 
of this the size of a community center that supposedly draws people together or 
zoning that will bring more diversity into our "peaceful" town has very little 
meaning to me right now.We must speak out loudly against these horrible 
happenings and not remain silent--even as we write on Lincoln Talk...
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Re: [LincolnTalk] On yesterday's HCA meeting

[Terri via Lincoln]

 Thank you Karla for your excellent summary of the HCA meeting. Most 
appreciated. I agree with all your comments... 100%.The MAJOR CHANGE facing 
this town's landscape is quite shocking and SAD.   
We all owe it to the next generation(s) to protect Lincoln.  They will 
certainly Thank us... in the same way we  thank those that work so hard to 
protect local landscapes .. like Walden Pond and Codman Farm, so we may savor 
their beauty. 

How we can allow this to happen is beyond comprehension.  

Theresa KafinaGiles Road

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 06:29:16 PM EDT, Karla Gravis 
 wrote:  
 
 
I encourage all those interested who were not able to attend towatch the Q&A 
portion of the HCA meeting last night once it is uploaded.


   
   - The committee spent a lot of time reviewing what has beenaccomplished to 
date and discussing amongst themselves but little time was dedicated to public 
debate. Few of thepublic questions were actually answered by the committee, at 
times the mic wasjust passed on to the next question without any response. This 
is similar toprevious meetings, where there is little room for resident debate. 
In myopinion, the outreach has been one-directional. The working group is 
composed only of people who sit on other boards, are town employees, or work 
for theRLF. There is no opportunity for a regular resident or member-at-large 
to bepart of the decision-making. There are outstanding resident questions that 
thecommittee hasn’t answered.
   - The town legal counsel was present during the meeting. When askedwhy the 
Committee was contradicting his counsel as stated on public record, heindicated 
that he had changed his mind on the enforceability of compliance. Hedid not 
provide any facts to explain this reversal. He said that his new stancehad come 
from a collaborative effort with his partners. This was very surprising tohear, 
as this very same law firm is defending the town of Holden, which hasdecided 
not to comply with the HCA. Our lawyer's partners at his firm, KP Law, wrote a 
motion todismiss the action against Holden. We should not be rushing tocomply 
just because “non-compliance is a risk” given our own lawyer's firmseems to be 
giving other towns the opposite message to what they are tellingus. There are 
other towns like Weston which seem to be comfortable taking await-and-see 
approach.
   - The committee repeated its claim that we will lose millions ingrant money 
by not complying. However, we have never received any money fromthe grants 
named in the actual HCA legislation. When this was brought up, thecommittee did 
not respond. The committee claims we should comply because wecould use one of 
the grant programs to update the Village Center septic systemto benefit a 
private developer. I struggle to understand why the town wouldneed to fund this 
private enterprise. Wouldn’t we be setting a terribleprecedent?
   - The committee continues to quote a pandemic-era traffic study anda flawed 
financial analysis to claim there is "no impact" to currentresidents. The 
financial analysis used a cost per student of $6.3K, when ourschool's cost per 
student is at least 4 times that. This  report from theDepartment of Education 
puts LPS (excluding Hanscom) at $27K per pupil. Thetown with the lowest cost 
per pupil in the state is at $13K, nowhere close tothe $6K. Using accurate 
numbers for that financial analysis would imply steep tax increases for current 
Lincoln residents. Let's remember that in thiscase, we are talking about 
apartments being rented starting at $4K a month.
   - I strongly believe in providing full transparency on the impact ofrezoning 
to the town. If there is a tax and traffic impact, we need to be clearon it. 
The town may decide to take on these costs in the spirit of increasinghousing, 
but it should be up to each resident to decide that for themselves,after being 
provided an accurate cost/benefit analysis. Residents havevolunteered to 
conduct this analysis, but the committee has not taken them upon the offer, so 
far.
   - There seems to be a reluctance from the committee to provide morethan one 
option for residents to vote on. There is another option that wouldentail 
rezoning areas where condos are already extant and the probability 
ofredevelopment is much lower. The committee is very reluctant to follow 
thispath. I am unclear as to why we do not want to present more than one option 
upto vote, when we do so for other big projects like the school or the 
communitycenter.



Given such an important decision that may change the landscape ofour town for 
decades to come, we owe it to ourselves to look at these issuesmore carefully. 
I struggle to understand why we are rushing to submit aproposal to the state 
when we still have time before the deadline, other townsare delaying and the 
guidelines could continue to change. The proposal wouldn'teven be increasing 
affordable housing materially.

Karla Gravis

Weston Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] On yesterday's HCA meeting

[Susanna Szeto]

Follow the money and maybe we can find the reason!On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:20 PM, Cathy O'Brien  wrote:This sounds like it is being “fast tracked”Very similar to “oriole landing” approval of their development I think it Was approved in 9 months- fastest development approval in LincolnCommon denominator- CIVICOIn full disclosure I am the largest abutter to oriole landingBut I truly believe there is shenanigans with some sort of secret relationship with in LincolnNO development moves this fast in Lincoln Why is ONE developer been the SOLE company to be the finalist in the 2 largest housing increase in a small amount of time for such a small town…And if I recall… CIVICO was involved in building the school….There is something not right about this….Cathy obrien3 Mary’s way On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 6:29 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:I encourage all those interested who were not able to attend to
watch the Q&A portion of the HCA meeting last night once it is uploaded.

The committee spent a lot of time reviewing what has been
accomplished to date and discussing amongst themselves but little time was dedicated to public debate. Few of the
public questions were actually answered by the committee, at times the mic was
just passed on to the next question without any response. This is similar to
previous meetings, where there is little room for resident debate. In my
opinion, the outreach has been one-directional. The working group is composed only of people who sit on other boards, are town employees, or work for the
RLF. There is no opportunity for a regular resident or member-at-large to be
part of the decision-making. There are outstanding resident questions that the
committee hasn’t answered.The town legal counsel was present during the meeting. When asked
why the Committee was contradicting his counsel as stated on public record, he
indicated that he had changed his mind on the enforceability of compliance. He
did not provide any facts to explain this reversal. He said that his new stance
had come from a collaborative effort with his partners. This was very surprising to
hear, as this very same law firm is defending the town of Holden, which has
decided not to comply with the HCA. Our lawyer's partners at his firm, KP Law, wrote a motion to
dismiss the action against Holden. We should not be rushing to
comply just because “non-compliance is a risk” given our own lawyer's firm
seems to be giving other towns the opposite message to what they are telling
us. There are other towns like Weston which seem to be comfortable taking a
wait-and-see approach.The committee repeated its claim that we will lose millions in
grant money by not complying. However, we have never received any money from
the grants named in the actual HCA legislation. When this was brought up, the
committee did not respond. The committee claims we should comply because we
could use one of the grant programs to update the Village Center septic system
to benefit a private developer. I struggle to understand why the town would
need to fund this private enterprise. Wouldn’t we be setting a terrible
precedent?The committee continues to quote a pandemic-era traffic study and
a flawed financial analysis to claim there is "no impact" to current
residents. The financial analysis used a cost per student of $6.3K, when our
school's cost per student is at least 4 times that. 
















This  report from the
Department of Education puts LPS (excluding Hanscom) at $27K per pupil. The
town with the lowest cost per pupil in the state is at $13K, nowhere close to
the $6K. Using accurate numbers for that financial analysis would imply steep tax increases for current Lincoln residents. Let's remember that in this
case, we are talking about apartments being rented starting at $4K a month.I strongly believe in providing full transparency on the impact of
rezoning to the town. If there is a tax and traffic impact, we need to be clear
on it. The town may decide to take on these costs in the spirit of increasing
housing, but it should be up to each resident to decide that for themselves,
after being provided an accurate cost/benefit analysis. Residents have
volunteered to conduct this analysis, but the committee has not taken them up
on the offer, so far.There seems to be a reluctance from the committee to provide more
than one option for residents to vote on. There is another option that would
entail rezoning areas where condos are already extant and the probability of
redevelopment is much lower. The committee is very reluctant to follow this
path. I am unclear as to why we do not want to present more than one option up
to vote, when we do so for other big projects like the school or the community
center.

Given such an important decision that may change the landscape of
our town for decades to come, we owe it to ourselves to look at these issues
more carefully. I struggle to understand why we are rushing to submit a
proposal to the state when we stil

[LincolnTalk] a post about an upcoming concert November 11 at First Parish

[miranda loud]

Hi,

I am writing with my Music Director hat on at First Parish Lincoln to see
how we can mention this fun Night on Broadway concert coming up in Lincoln
Talk, ideally several times leading up to the concert. This would be the
text to include which also includes a link to buy advance tickets with more
info about the concert. I can't remember how it works with events on the
listserv since we'd love to have it mentioned regularly leading up to
November 11.

Thank you so much!


Miranda
(Music Director, First Parish in Lincoln)
www.fplincoln.org

*To put in the listserv:*

Don't miss Live in Lincoln Center at First Parish's upcoming concert on
Saturday November 11 at 7:30 featuring three wonderful singers, pianist
Timothy Steele and David Elliot as M.C. in
A Night on Broadway - favorite songs from musicals from 1940 to the present.
Tickets are $30 and available in advance (recommended) and at the door with
refreshments and mingling at the intermission.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/a-night-on-broadway-tickets-728304216517?aff=oddtdtcreator


she/her/hers
"We live among relatives, not resources." - Daniel Wildcat
“Everything in the universe has a rhythm, everything dances.” – Maya Angelou
www.mirandaloudartist.com
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[LincolnTalk] Snow Plowing Recomendations

[Nicole Kaplan]

Good morning Lincoln Neighbors!

I need to get a couple quotes for snow plow services (including some shoveling 
and salt application) Any recommendations for someone reliable would be 
appreciated! 

Thanks,
Nicole Kaplan

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[LincolnTalk] Free sofa

[Denise Bienfang via Lincoln]

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[LincolnTalk] Lincoln-Sudbury Regional Highschool SC Updates

[Lucy Maulsby]

Dear Lincoln,



Please find listed below are upcoming October 2023 LSRH school holidays,
School Committee meetings and a link to the most recent News & Happenings
updates from Principal/Superintendent Stephens available on the LSRH
website.





Many Thanks!



Lucy Maulsby

L-S School Committee





*Lincoln-Sudbury Regional Highschool Committee (LSSC) Meetings: October
2023 *



Monday October 9: No School



Tuesday October 24: LSSC Meeting (7pm Remote)







News & Happenings Updates from Principal/Superintendent Stephens

are available through the LSRH website





*This listing of event & meeting highlights represents intended
planning-to-date —Topics may shift and/or additional discussion may ensue —
Further updates will be forthcoming as available. *
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Shaina scheduled to be on the BBC

[Sara Mattes]

Can you provide a recording for those of us who have missed it…or a link to 
which BBC show?

Thanks 
--
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> On Oct 12, 2023, at 10:05 AM, Stephen R. Low  
> wrote:
> 
> I believe that our daughter Shaina will be interviewed on the BBC this hour 
> (10-11 am)
>  
> https://www.bbc.com/news
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Steve Low
>  
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act

[Robert Ahlert]

1000% agree with Allen and just add that any other Options we consider D,
E, F, etc need to have enough distinction in them and pros/cons need to be
fairly developed.  Traffic impact for each option D, E, F should be paid
for if necessary to get an objective understanding of those impacts.

Rob

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 10:47 AM Allen Vander Meulen 
wrote:

> The Planning Board is correct in that a detailed traffic study is not
> possible without a known quantity for use as a model - i.e., a development
> proposal.  But, we don’t need a detailed study.  Many of these challenges
> have troubled us for years and are already well known (and/or easy to
> foresee).
>
> Ruth Ann Hendrickson is correct enumerating what the potential issues are
> (and developing possible solutions) is a worthwhile endeavor.  A
> well-structured and wholistic study will provide a clearer understanding of
> the challenges we’re likely to face, and the costs and benefits of
> addressing them (and how best to do so).  As Ruth Ann said, this will allow
> us to have plans already in place when that first developer knocks on the
> door, which will be a huge advantage.
>
> In closing, I have closely followed the town’s response to the Housing
> Choice Act since it was signed into law in January, 2021.  Developing and
> vetting the zoning-change proposals, and gaining the approvals needed to
> comply with the HCA, is a very complex and daunting task.  The HCAWG,
> Planning and Select Boards, Town Administration, and many other
> contributors, have done a superb and thorough job. If approved at Town
> Meeting next year, their recommendations will be of immense benefit to all
> of us in the years to come.
>
> - Allen Vander Meulen
>
> > On Oct 11, 2023, at 20:56, RAandBOB  wrote:
> >
> > I am largely in favor of the recommendations from the HCA study
> committee. But I did not like Planning Board‘s response to traffic issues.
> Usually, she said, they deal with traffic issues case by case basis, as the
> developments before the planning board. In this case, however, the Town is
> opening up the possibility for a large of development in a small area.
> >
> > I think the Planning Board should look at the overall picture and
> develop mitigation plans. For example, perhaps Lewis Street should be
> closed in the middle so that developments in the rear have to exit onto Rte
> 117. Can we negotiate with the State to improve the rail station and to
> ensure that the gates are not down when the train is in the station?
> Long-term planning such as this needs to be thought through before the
> first developer knocks on the door.
> >
> > Ruth Ann Hendrickson
> > (She, her, hers)
> > 2253 Concord Rd.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act

[Allen Vander Meulen]

The Planning Board is correct in that a detailed traffic study is not possible 
without a known quantity for use as a model - i.e., a development proposal.  
But, we don’t need a detailed study.  Many of these challenges have troubled us 
for years and are already well known (and/or easy to foresee).

Ruth Ann Hendrickson is correct enumerating what the potential issues are (and 
developing possible solutions) is a worthwhile endeavor.  A well-structured and 
wholistic study will provide a clearer understanding of the challenges we’re 
likely to face, and the costs and benefits of addressing them (and how best to 
do so).  As Ruth Ann said, this will allow us to have plans already in place 
when that first developer knocks on the door, which will be a huge advantage.

In closing, I have closely followed the town’s response to the Housing Choice 
Act since it was signed into law in January, 2021.  Developing and vetting the 
zoning-change proposals, and gaining the approvals needed to comply with the 
HCA, is a very complex and daunting task.  The HCAWG, Planning and Select 
Boards, Town Administration, and many other contributors, have done a superb 
and thorough job. If approved at Town Meeting next year, their recommendations 
will be of immense benefit to all of us in the years to come.

- Allen Vander Meulen

> On Oct 11, 2023, at 20:56, RAandBOB  wrote:
> 
> I am largely in favor of the recommendations from the HCA study committee. 
> But I did not like Planning Board‘s response to traffic issues. Usually, she 
> said, they deal with traffic issues case by case basis, as the developments 
> before the planning board. In this case, however, the Town is opening up the 
> possibility for a large of development in a small area. 
> 
> I think the Planning Board should look at the overall picture and develop 
> mitigation plans. For example, perhaps Lewis Street should be closed in the 
> middle so that developments in the rear have to exit onto Rte 117. Can we 
> negotiate with the State to improve the rail station and to ensure that the 
> gates are not down when the train is in the station? Long-term planning such 
> as this needs to be thought through before the first developer knocks on the 
> door.
> 
> Ruth Ann Hendrickson
> (She, her, hers)
> 2253 Concord Rd.
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[LincolnTalk] Shaina scheduled to be on the BBC

[Stephen R. Low]

I believe that our daughter Shaina will be interviewed on the BBC this hour
(10-11 am)

 

https://www.bbc.com/news

 

 

Regards,
Steve Low

 

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