date:20231019

More HCA rule changes on the horizon….

1 big thing: Healey's $4 billion bet
https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-boston-6f3ae7a3-8c1a-4901-9328-76fe2c10ca4a.html?chunk=0&utm_term=emshare#story0


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[LincolnTalk] Hanscom Panel to Pursue Study of Jet Emissions’ Impact - The Bedford Citizen

More from Hanscom- ( more) bad news about local and regional environmental 
impact.
Bottom line - hold your breath, keep masking.

https://thebedfordcitizen.org/2023/10/hanscom-panel-to-pursue-study-of-jet-emissions-impact/


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Re: [LincolnTalk] Anyone know what this is?

2023-10-19 Thread Buell, Lawrence

Looks like it might be Osage orange tree.
Larry Buell
60 Tower Rd

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Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 7:50:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Anyone know what this is?

Maclura pomifera

Maclura pomifera, commonly known as the Osage orange, is a small deciduous tree 
or large shrub, native to the south-central United States. It typically grows 
about 8 to 15 metres tall. 
Wikipedia

On 10/19/2023 7:09 PM EDT Anne Warner 
mailto:warneran...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I picked it up on the ground at the Botanical Garden in Washington DC. It had 
fallen off a tree along with a bunch of others just like it. It’s about the 
size of a softball.

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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA: Zoom link for Planning Board meeting on Tuesday October 24th

Im aware that there are 6 total meetings posted since December 2022, and 5
are missing meeting minutes that must be posted within 30 days of the
meeting per the open meeting law in MA.

Since their last posted working meeting was almost 2 months ago on August
22- I’m also finding it hard to believe that the HCAWG hasn’t met to go
over what additional proposals they would like Utile to work on; and they
haven't met to review any additional proposals Utile created that the HCAWG
will be presenting to the planning board on Tuesday, as no upcoming meeting
has been posted.

At the Oct 10 meeting and the Oct 16 meeting there was not a clear
consensus on what the additional proposals should include. It was also
stated that they would like to hear proposals and input from the public.
How is that possible without a HCAWG meeting?

Since the HCAWG is a subsidiary of the Planning board, I’m asking the chair
of the planning board to confirm that there are no upcoming meetings other
than the presentation to the planning board on Tuesday. I have asked the
HCAWG directly for this information and for missing minutes and have not
gotten a response.

We would like to know before a meeting happens- not after. I’m just
requesting that you find out if they are meeting or not, and if they are
can you please have someone add the agenda to the town website.

Thank you!

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 7:42 PM Margaret Olson 
wrote:

> The HCWG meetings are posted. You can see them all on the town website, in
> the agenda section. Note that the joint meeting was a meeting for HCWG,
> Planning Board, and the Selects. All three were called to order and all
> three voted.
>
>
> ‪On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 7:13 PM ‫ٍSarah Postlethwait‬‎ 
> wrote:‬
>
>> Margaret can you please confirm if the HCAWG is meeting on their own or
>> not. I tried to request it privately and have emailed both Paula and
>> Jennifer Curtain and not received a response.
>>
>> It’s very odd that no meeting in between the last presentation and the
>> upcoming presentation has happened.
>>
>> Utile should be giving the proposals to them and they should meet to
>> review them before presenting to the planning board. Otherwise wouldn’t it
>> be a Utile presentation to the planning board?
>>
>> How can they present two additional options to the planning board if they
>> haven’t met to create or discuss these options- they didn’t even have (a
>> public) meeting after the Oct 16 presentation to come up with guidance to
>> give Utile for what is being requested.
>>
>> Furthermore, in a direct violation of MA’s open meeting law, one
>> meeting’s minutes have been made available online since the entire HCAWG’s
>> conception. Minutes are missing from the December 5, 2022, February 7,
>> 2023, March 16, 2023, August 22, 2023, and October 16, 2023 meetings. Other
>> than the October 16 meeting- every one of these should have been made
>> available by now.
>>
>> Why the secrecy?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 6:54 PM Margaret Olson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Utile crafts the proposals based on direction from the town. I think,
>>> but am not 100% sure, that that was authorized at the multi board meeting.
>>> There have been many HCA meetings and public forums recently and they are
>>> starting to merge together in my memory.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 6:08 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>>
 Margaret,
 What meeting crafted the D1 & D2?
 Is it recorded?

 --
 Sara Mattes

 On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Margaret Olson 
 wrote:

 On *Tuesday October 24th *the Planning Board will be discussing the
 new HCA options D1 and D2. The meeting starts at 7:00 pm with one other
 (likely very brief) agenda item before the HCA discussion. Come learn about
 the new options:

 https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85285483868?pwd=7IFpRj7vhxQbqxMaLAwHCnveUBFUCq.1

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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA: Zoom link for Planning Board meeting on Tuesday October 24th

2023-10-19 Thread Christine Lundblad via Lincoln

I requested details of options D1 and D2 and, to date, haven’t received them. Are they online such that one can view them?Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 19, 2023, at 7:42 PM, Margaret Olson wrote:The HCWG meetings are posted. You can see them all on the town website, in the agenda section. Note that the joint meeting was a meeting for HCWG, Planning Board, and the Selects. All three were called to order and all three voted.‪On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 7:13 PM ‫ٍSarah Postlethwait‬‎ wrote:‬Margaret can you please confirm if the HCAWG is meeting on their own or not. I tried to request it privately and have emailed both Paula and Jennifer Curtain and not received a response. It’s very odd that no meeting in between the last presentation and the upcoming presentation has happened. Utile should be giving the proposals to them and they should meet to review them before presenting to the planning board. Otherwise wouldn’t it be a Utile presentation to the planning board?How can they present two additional options to the planning board if they haven’t met to create or discuss these options- they didn’t even have (a public) meeting after the Oct 16 presentation to come up with guidance to give Utile for what is being requested. Furthermore, in a direct violation of MA’s open meeting law, one meeting’s minutes have been made available online since the entire HCAWG’s conception. Minutes are missing from the December 5, 2022, February 7, 2023, March 16, 2023, August 22, 2023, and October 16, 2023 meetings. Other than the October 16 meeting- every one of these should have been made available by now. Why the secrecy? On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 6:54 PM Margaret Olson wrote:Utile crafts the proposals based on direction from the town. I think, but am not 100% sure, that that was authorized at the multi board meeting. There have been many HCA meetings and public forums recently and they are starting to merge together in my memory. On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 6:08 PM Sara Mattes wrote:Margaret,What meeting crafted the D1 & D2?Is it recorded?
--Sara Mattes

On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Margaret Olson wrote:On Tuesday October 24th the Planning Board will be discussing the new HCA options D1 and D2. The meeting starts at 7:00 pm with one other (likely very brief) agenda item before the HCA discussion. Come learn about the new options:https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85285483868?pwd=7IFpRj7vhxQbqxMaLAwHCnveUBFUCq.1
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Anyone know what this is?

2023-10-19 Thread ROY HARVEY



 
 
   

Maclura pomifera 
 
 
   
  
 

 Maclura pomifera, commonly known as the Osage orange, is a small deciduous tree or large shrub, native to the south-central United States. It typically grows about 8 to 15 metres tall.  Wikipedia
 

  
 



  
 

   
   
   
On 10/19/2023 7:09 PM EDT Anne Warner  wrote:

   
 

   
 

   
I picked it up on the ground at the Botanical Garden in Washington DC. It had fallen off a tree along with a bunch of others just like it. It’s about the size of a softball.

   
 

   
 

   
 

   
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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA: Zoom link for Planning Board meeting on Tuesday October 24th

The HCWG meetings are posted. You can see them all on the town website, in
the agenda section. Note that the joint meeting was a meeting for HCWG,
Planning Board, and the Selects. All three were called to order and all
three voted.


‪On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 7:13 PM ‫ٍSarah Postlethwait‬‎ 
wrote:‬

> Margaret can you please confirm if the HCAWG is meeting on their own or
> not. I tried to request it privately and have emailed both Paula and
> Jennifer Curtain and not received a response.
>
> It’s very odd that no meeting in between the last presentation and the
> upcoming presentation has happened.
>
> Utile should be giving the proposals to them and they should meet to
> review them before presenting to the planning board. Otherwise wouldn’t it
> be a Utile presentation to the planning board?
>
> How can they present two additional options to the planning board if they
> haven’t met to create or discuss these options- they didn’t even have (a
> public) meeting after the Oct 16 presentation to come up with guidance to
> give Utile for what is being requested.
>
> Furthermore, in a direct violation of MA’s open meeting law, one meeting’s
> minutes have been made available online since the entire HCAWG’s
> conception. Minutes are missing from the December 5, 2022, February 7,
> 2023, March 16, 2023, August 22, 2023, and October 16, 2023 meetings. Other
> than the October 16 meeting- every one of these should have been made
> available by now.
>
> Why the secrecy?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 6:54 PM Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
>> Utile crafts the proposals based on direction from the town. I think, but
>> am not 100% sure, that that was authorized at the multi board meeting.
>> There have been many HCA meetings and public forums recently and they are
>> starting to merge together in my memory.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 6:08 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> Margaret,
>>> What meeting crafted the D1 & D2?
>>> Is it recorded?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Margaret Olson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On *Tuesday October 24th *the Planning Board will be discussing the new
>>> HCA options D1 and D2. The meeting starts at 7:00 pm with one other (likely
>>> very brief) agenda item before the HCA discussion. Come learn about the new
>>> options:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85285483868?pwd=7IFpRj7vhxQbqxMaLAwHCnveUBFUCq.1
>>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA: Zoom link for Planning Board meeting on Tuesday October 24th

Margaret can you please confirm if the HCAWG is meeting on their own or
not. I tried to request it privately and have emailed both Paula and
Jennifer Curtain and not received a response.

It’s very odd that no meeting in between the last presentation and the
upcoming presentation has happened.

Utile should be giving the proposals to them and they should meet to review
them before presenting to the planning board. Otherwise wouldn’t it be a
Utile presentation to the planning board?

How can they present two additional options to the planning board if they
haven’t met to create or discuss these options- they didn’t even have (a
public) meeting after the Oct 16 presentation to come up with guidance to
give Utile for what is being requested.

Furthermore, in a direct violation of MA’s open meeting law, one meeting’s
minutes have been made available online since the entire HCAWG’s
conception. Minutes are missing from the December 5, 2022, February 7,
2023, March 16, 2023, August 22, 2023, and October 16, 2023 meetings. Other
than the October 16 meeting- every one of these should have been made
available by now.

Why the secrecy?

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 6:54 PM Margaret Olson 
wrote:

> Utile crafts the proposals based on direction from the town. I think, but
> am not 100% sure, that that was authorized at the multi board meeting.
> There have been many HCA meetings and public forums recently and they are
> starting to merge together in my memory.
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 6:08 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> Margaret,
>> What meeting crafted the D1 & D2?
>> Is it recorded?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Margaret Olson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On *Tuesday October 24th *the Planning Board will be discussing the new
>> HCA options D1 and D2. The meeting starts at 7:00 pm with one other (likely
>> very brief) agenda item before the HCA discussion. Come learn about the new
>> options:
>>
>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85285483868?pwd=7IFpRj7vhxQbqxMaLAwHCnveUBFUCq.1
>> 
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[LincolnTalk] Fwd: Join us on WEDNESDAY for a presentation with Lawrence Buell!

Fyi
--
Sara Mattes




> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: The Walden Woods Project 
> Subject: Join us on WEDNESDAY for a presentation with Lawrence Buell!
> Date: October 19, 2023 at 4:00:16 PM EDT
> To: samat...@gmail.com
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> 
> 
> 
> Join us NEXT WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 25th, from 6:30 - 8:00 PM EST. for a free, IN 
> PERSON presentation with Lawrence Buell about his forthcoming book Henry 
> David Thoreau: Thinking Disobediently!
>  
> Doors will open at 6:30 PM for a wine and cheese reception with the author.  
> The talk will begin at 7:00 PM.
>  
> Where: The Walden Woods Project
>  
> About Lawrence Buell:
> Lawrence Buell is Powell M. Cabot Professor of American Literature Emeritus 
> at Harvard University. Considered one of the founders of the ecocriticism 
> movement, he has written and lectured worldwide on Transcendentalism, 
> American studies, and the environmental humanities. He is the author of many 
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>  
> About the book:
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> offers a highly readable entry-point for readers unfamiliar with this author, 
> agitator, naturalist, and sage that is packed with new insights sure to 
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>  
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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA: Zoom link for Planning Board meeting on Tuesday October 24th

Utile crafts the proposals based on direction from the town. I think, but
am not 100% sure, that that was authorized at the multi board meeting.
There have been many HCA meetings and public forums recently and they are
starting to merge together in my memory.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 6:08 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Margaret,
> What meeting crafted the D1 & D2?
> Is it recorded?
>
>
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
> On *Tuesday October 24th *the Planning Board will be discussing the new
> HCA options D1 and D2. The meeting starts at 7:00 pm with one other (likely
> very brief) agenda item before the HCA discussion. Come learn about the new
> options:
>
> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85285483868?pwd=7IFpRj7vhxQbqxMaLAwHCnveUBFUCq.1
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Brand new pre hung doors

2023-10-19 Thread Kip Schultz

Thanks to all inquirers. The doors have been successfully re-homed.

kip schultz
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k...@mod-habitat.com
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> On Oct 17, 2023, at 6:46 PM, Kip Schultz  wrote:
> 
> Anyone need some new doors? Trade out some crappy hollow cores in the old 
> basement for these solid core 5 panel beauties. 
> 
> Sizes:
> 
> Left hand 2’8” x 6’6”
> Left hand 2’8” x 6’6”
> Left hand 3' x 6’8”
> Left hand 2’8” x 6’6”
> 
> Free to a good home. Message me directly.
> 
> kip 
> 
> kip schultz
> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
> k...@mod-habitat.com
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> 
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA: Zoom link for Planning Board meeting on Tuesday October 24th

Margaret,
What meeting crafted the D1 & D2?
Is it recorded?



--
Sara Mattes




> On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday October 24th the Planning Board will be discussing the new HCA 
> options D1 and D2. The meeting starts at 7:00 pm with one other (likely very 
> brief) agenda item before the HCA discussion. Come learn about the new 
> options:
> 
> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85285483868?pwd=7IFpRj7vhxQbqxMaLAwHCnveUBFUCq.1 
> 
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[LincolnTalk] 35 mm Slide / Negative Scanner

2023-10-19 Thread Robert Hicks

We would love to borrow a slide / film scanner to digitize some family
slides.

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

Perfect idea-more Farrar Pond Villages, low-rise units with privacy, but a 
sense of community...with lots of green space and direct access to trails on 
lots of conservation land.
I think that is a wonderful idea to share that ambiance with more people.
Let’s do it!
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> On Oct 19, 2023, at 2:54 PM, RAandBOB  wrote:
> 
> I would like to make two points:
> – interestingly, a lot of young families have been moving in to Farrar Pond 
> village, to the extent that they have built a playground. It may be that 
> young people don’t want to spend their weekends mowing a lawn or it may be 
> that they just can’t afford a house, but at any rate, they seem to be happy 
> to move into a condo. 
> 
> – I think people are missing the point of the push for new housing. The 
> theory is that if you build a lot more housing, the overall price of the 
> existing housing stock will come down. So it doesn’t need to be moderate 
> income housing to make houses more affordable overall.
> 
> Ruth Ann
> (She, her, hers)
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>> 
>> I simply asked if we had asked them, rather than presume.
>> 
>> With little to no money we chose Lincoln ( the same $) as a very modest 
>> townhouse in Cambridge.
>> Lincoln lodgings were much smaller, but single family and with open space.
>> - just our choice.
>> I don’t assume or presume what would be anyone else’s priority.
>> Ours was a single family house.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Chris McCarthy  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sara,
>>> 
>>> I think many people would want to live in a townhouse in Lincoln. Not 
>>> everyone wants a 2 acre compound and the environmental impact that goes 
>>> along with it. That also doesn't speak to the fact that those who care for 
>>> our children, prepare and supply our food, keep our water and electricity 
>>> flowing can't even afford that if they wanted. 
>>> 
>>> I'm unfortunately no longer surprised by the massive disconnect between 
>>> multi million dollar land owners and the common person. A tale as old as 
>>> time. 
>>> 
>>> - Chris
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 06:55 Sara Mattes >> > wrote:
 To me, it hits the point- get out of the way of developers!
 
 Lincoln could change zoning to encourage townhouses.
 I wonder if any posting to advocate for HCA zoning would elect to convert 
 their own property to a townhouse configuration or support their neighbors 
 who chose to do so?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 18, 2023, at 10:09 PM, John Mendelson  > wrote:
> 
> 
> I think this misses the point.  
> 
> The legacy of restrictive zoning has had a huge impact on housing prices 
> in the region, thus making prices unaffordable locally across both 
> single-family and multi-family options. Supply and demand.  Which will 
> only get worse and have broader repercussions for our regional economy in 
> the near term unless we act.
> 
> I do also think there needs to be a cultural shift away from making 
> single-family housing the ideal, rather than just one of many attractive 
> housing types.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 3:50 PM ٍSarah Postlethwait  > wrote:
>> If the Housing Choice Act and those in charge REALLY wanted to help 
>> “empty nesters” and “first time home buyers” they would have included 
>> affordable housing as a requirement in this act. 
>> 
>> The truth is, the HCA has NO requirement for affordable housing. It 
>> allows each town to require UP TO 10%  affordable housing. 
>> The other 90% can be at market rate () unless a town is willing to 
>> bribe the developer to add more, as we did with Oriole Landing and a $1 
>> million dollar “loan” (at 0% interest and only to be repaid if they lose 
>> units of affordable housing.) 
>> 
>> The only ones benefiting from the HCA are developers. 
>> 
>> There isn’t just a housing crisis. There is an AFFORDABLE housing 
>> crisis. That missing word is important when you’re going to use 
>> diversity and equity to describe it. 
>> 
>> As far as I know, empty nesters expect their monthly housing payment to 
>> downsize at the same time their house size does.
>> 
>> But Lincoln Empty nesters you’re in luck! Oriole Landing has multiple 
>> units with immediate availability! You can move into this lovely 1156 
>> square foot unit for the low low price of $4076 a month! Pack your bags 
>> now because we hear the condo market is hot in these NIMBY towns! 🧳📦
>> 
>> Also, if there is such a huge demand for market rate condos and 
>> apartments in Lincoln and surrounding towns, why does Oriole Landing 
>> have any availability? You’d think that there would be a waiting list of 
>> people wanting to mo

Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

Nicole- you can’t age restrict the rezoned area. Doing so is against the
HCA.



On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 3:22 PM Nicole Kaplan  wrote:

> I was wondering the same thing. Or maybe make all of the units 55+?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:48 AM, Michael Dembowski 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> And taxes to offset additional services
>
> On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:32 AM, Linda McMillan 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Could we require the developer to build condos rather than rental units in
> Option C? Or any option for that matter. Don't we want more owner-occupied
> housing for young families, for seniors down- sizing, and to expand our
> diversity? Must all 625 units be rental?
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 5:34 AM Robert Ahlert  wrote:
>
>> Hi all -
>>
>> I don't think anyone is arguing whether or not to comply but rather HOW
>> we comply.
>>
>> Option C has some flaws ...
>>
>> 1. Affordable Housing - it allows parcels like Lincoln Woods to be
>> converted to 3A "HCA" zoning which means they can be redeveloped with
>> mostly (90%) market rate housing which as you can see from Oriole Landing,
>> is very expensive for a middle income resident
>> 2. Traffic - 635 units of residents (e.g 1200 people) in one area will
>> likely have 1000+ cars and while a couple of their trips per month might be
>> walking, most of them will not. We will 'likely' have a mess of cars in S.
>> Lincoln, not just at rush hour, but all day and on weekends.  Maybe that is
>> the 'lively' town center people are envisioning, but not me.
>> 3. Visual Appeal - we can have Planning Guidelines all day long but in
>> the end, we are talking about big buildings and a lot of them all in one
>> area.  Think in your mind as you read this about 21 Oriole Landing
>> buildings all in S. Lincoln.  This is realistic because 635 has to be the
>> modeled gross density (per the 3A downloadable model) which accounts for
>> wetlands, septic, and parking).  I have a visual "Lego" site plan for this
>> should anyone want to see how this could very realistically be laid out.
>> 4. Pace - Lincoln will be attractive to developers and they know the only
>> thing that has stopped them in the past is 2/3 vote at Town meeting.  That
>> will be gone once the "HCA Zoning" is enacted.  These parcels will be very
>> attractive and as much as we are told this will take decades, i just don't
>> believe it.  We need to be prepared for a lot of development in the next 5
>> to 10 years with Option C.
>> 5. Environment - this is where my understanding gets a little fuzzy but
>> by putting wetlands into HCA zoning using the State maps with 50' buffer,
>> we may even get more density that we are expecting because the State DEP
>> can trump our local conservation laws if we try to block a developer from
>> building in wetlands that were promised in HCA zoning.
>>
>> I think the HCAWG got pressed for time in August/September and felt they
>> needed to submit something for review to the State which they have done,
>> fine, no problem.
>>
>> Now they are considering new options.  But which options?  We will be
>> sending in 10 alternatives to the HCAWG team today to get feedback before
>> D1 and D2 get fully baked.  We hope they will be given time for
>> consideration before the *Oct 24 Planning board meeting* (next week!).
>> Why the rush?
>>
>> Hopefully together, we can come up with a better solution.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 8:06 PM Ken Hurd  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello LincolnTalkers,
>>>
>>> I do not wish to rub salt in anybody’s wounds, and I certainly
>>> understand the anxiety around the possibility of change, but I’d like to
>>> remind everyone why the Housing Choice Act was enacted, not in the first
>>> place, but as a last resort.
>>>
>>> In many of Boston’s surrounding suburbs, there have been decades of
>>> resistance to providing more housing using techniques such as local zoning
>>> restrictions, concerns about traffic counts, burgeoning school populations,
>>> declining property values, and increased taxes to support additional
>>> services, etc.  And now, I hear the argument that we won’t have enough
>>> affordable housing if we allow any new development.
>>>
>>> In full disclosure, when the Housing Choice Act first appeared, I was
>>> not a fan because it was such a blunt instrument.  However, I now believe
>>> its good intentions far exceed the cost of compliance if a community works
>>> in good faith to meet the challenges of providing more housing in the
>>> greater Boston area. As Bob Kupperstein stated, by the simple law of supply
>>> and demand, if all towns in the metropolitan area do their part, more
>>> housing will help take the pressure off the un-affordability of existing
>>> housing stock.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, encouraging greater diversity in the types of housing will
>>> increase the diversity of people who can and will live in Lincoln.  This
>>> will include the gamut from younger households to aging seniors who no
>>> longer want to m

Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln does it's part - RLF can propose something modest - Option C is not modest

2023-10-19 Thread Maureen Malin

Agree with need for modest refining.  Need to maintain character of Lincoln 
that brought us here. Also need at least 15% affordable. Would not rush to make 
changes esp in rezoning. Let’s see how challenges to HCA work out. 
Maureen 

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> On Oct 19, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Bijoy Misra  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's the point!  We rezone as we like and we put our own zoning rules.
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 10:51 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>> That is why if we rezone OUTSIDE of the HCA, going through our normal 
>> channels, we can have 15%… or more.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 19, 2023, at 4:47 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> The proposed HCA zoning includes a 10% affordable units requirement. Our 
>>> existing zoning has a 15% affordable requirement; the town was  not able to 
>>> prove that this is economically feasible. The HCA does permit us to have 
>>> 10% without an economic feasibility study and we will have a 10% affordable 
>>> requirement in the zoning.
>>> 
 On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 10:38 AM Barbara Peskin  
 wrote:
 Dear Lincoln, 
 I'm sorry I don't know how to reply to a thread on Lincoln Talk directly - 
 but I wanted to reply to the one that started as you see below. 
 It is misleading to say being against Option C is being against new 
 development. None of the people I have talked to dislike Option C because 
 they don't want any new development. In fact they all support reasonable 
 development. The Option C rezoning proposal is not reasonable for Lincoln.
 I hope all of us considering Option C first explore the Lincoln Station 
 area to see the variety of multi-family zoning that exists there now. Go 
 check out the Flying Nun apartments, Lincoln Woods, Ryan Estates and more. 
 This housing came through 2/3 votes at Town Meeting over many years. You 
 won't see the same level of housing in Carlisle, Weston or other similar 
 towns that also provide home to wildlife and let people live in and around 
 nature. 
 Solution: Eighty five -100 units could be added at Lincoln Mall with a 
 separate proposal from RLF at Town Meeting. In this climate, a modest 
 proposal of 85-100 units would most certainly pass by 2/3 vote. More than 
 likely RLF would have 15% of the units be affordable.
 Option C is not that modest proposal. With Option C we would be rezoning 
 the small section of Codman Rd between 117 and Lincoln Rd to allow 180 
 units of housing instead of 11. With Option C HCAWG proposed rezoning to 
 allow an estimated 454 additional housing units and estimated 900 cars. 
 Under HCA rezoning guidelines there can be no affordability requirements. 
 Add to the picture multiple new traffic lights, cars going down Tower Rd 
 via Waze, and buildings and nightlights impacting the wildlife corridor. 
 Rezoning to meet HCA state level guidelines needs to be very thoughtful, 
 and Lincoln can do better than Option C, if it chooses.
 Housing advocates, who also care about Lincoln's wildlife corridors, 
 affordable housing and aren't blind to all the housing we already have in 
 the Lincoln Station area, can vote against Option C and still have pride 
 in themselves and Lincoln. Lincoln's leaders can propose an HCA rezoning 
 option focused on the Commons that wants to expand anyway. RLF can propose 
 85-100 units at the Mall. We do not need to completely change Lincoln for 
 us, the new residents and our wildlife if we rezone and add housing 
 thoughtfully.
 
 I am replying to the post that started this way
 Hello LincolnTalkers,
 I do not wish to rub salt in anybody’s wounds, and I certainly understand 
 the anxiety around the possibility of change, but I’d like to remind 
 everyone why the Housing Choice Act was enacted, not in the first place, 
 but as a last resort.  
 In many of Boston’s surrounding suburbs, there have been decades of 
 resistance to providing more housing using techniques such as local zoning 
 restrictions, concerns about traffic counts, burgeoning school 
 populations, declining property values, and increased taxes to support 
 additional services, etc.  And now, I hear the argument that we won’t have 
 enough affordable housing if we allow any new development.
 
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[LincolnTalk] Gregory Alan Isokov-tickets sold

2023-10-19 Thread Staci Montori

Thanks for the interest. The tickets were scooped up immediately.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Tick Control

2023-10-19 Thread Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln

Same 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, October 19, 2023, 3:50 PM, RAandBOB  wrote:

I have used tick tubes with great success, spreading them about my property 
following the spacing recommended on the box.

Ruth Ann
(She, her, hers)

> On Oct 19, 2023, at 3:20 PM, Brandon Newman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good afternoon,
> During the past 2 weeks, ticks have been pretty bad in my yard. On average, I 
> am pulling off 4-6 per bathroom break for my dog which is unusual for this 
> time of year. The concerning part is how tiny they are. Has anyone had any 
> success with DIY tick control solutions in their yard? If so, what worked?
> 
> I will opt for a professional service next year. 
> 
> Nash will greatly appreciate tick free potty breaks! 
> 
> Thanks,
> -Brandon
> Page Rd/Cambridge Tpke
> <20231014_205219.jpg>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Tick Control

2023-10-19 Thread RAandBOB

I have used tick tubes with great success, spreading them about my property 
following the spacing recommended on the box.

Ruth Ann
(She, her, hers)

> On Oct 19, 2023, at 3:20 PM, Brandon Newman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good afternoon,
> During the past 2 weeks, ticks have been pretty bad in my yard. On average, I 
> am pulling off 4-6 per bathroom break for my dog which is unusual for this 
> time of year. The concerning part is how tiny they are. Has anyone had any 
> success with DIY tick control solutions in their yard? If so, what worked?
> 
> I will opt for a professional service next year. 
> 
> Nash will greatly appreciate tick free potty breaks! 
> 
> Thanks,
> -Brandon
> Page Rd/Cambridge Tpke
> <20231014_205219.jpg>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free indoor plant

2023-10-19 Thread Tom

Hi Britta,

My wife and I are interested in your plant - is it still available?

Thanks,

Tom Flint


Sent from Outlook


From: Lincoln  on behalf of Britta Das 

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 6:43 PM
To: lincoln@lincolntalk.org 
Subject: [LincolnTalk] Free indoor plant

Approximately 4.5 feet tall.
You will need to re-pot it as it has outgrown its current pot, and I’d like to 
keep the pot.
It is also top-heavy, and needs stakes to hold it up.
Please email me if you’re interested.
Thank you! Britta

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln does it's part - RLF can propose something modest - Option C is not modest

2023-10-19 Thread Bijoy Misra

That's the point!  We rezone as we like and we put our own zoning rules.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 10:51 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> That is why if we rezone OUTSIDE of the HCA, going through our normal
> channels, we can have 15%… or more.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 19, 2023, at 4:47 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
>
> 
> The proposed HCA zoning includes a 10% affordable units requirement. Our
> existing zoning has a 15% affordable requirement; the town was  not able to
> prove that this is economically feasible. The HCA does permit us to have
> 10% without an economic feasibility study and we will have a 10% affordable
> requirement in the zoning.
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 10:38 AM Barbara Peskin 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Lincoln,
>>
>> I'm sorry I don't know how to reply to a thread on Lincoln Talk directly - 
>> but I wanted to reply to the one that started as you see below.
>>
>> It is misleading to say being against Option C is being against new 
>> development. None of the people I have talked to dislike Option C because 
>> they don't want any new development. In fact they all support reasonable 
>> development. The Option C rezoning proposal is not reasonable for Lincoln.
>>
>> I hope all of us considering Option C first explore the Lincoln Station area 
>> to see the variety of multi-family zoning that exists there now. Go check 
>> out the Flying Nun apartments, Lincoln Woods, Ryan Estates and more. This 
>> housing came through 2/3 votes at Town Meeting over many years. You won't 
>> see the same level of housing in Carlisle, Weston or other similar towns 
>> that also provide home to wildlife and let people live in and around nature.
>>
>> Solution: Eighty five -100 units could be added at Lincoln Mall with a 
>> separate proposal from RLF at Town Meeting. In this climate, a modest 
>> proposal of 85-100 units would most certainly pass by 2/3 vote. More than 
>> likely RLF would have 15% of the units be affordable.
>>
>> Option C is not that modest proposal. With Option C we would be rezoning the 
>> small section of Codman Rd between 117 and Lincoln Rd to allow 180 units of 
>> housing instead of 11. With Option C HCAWG proposed rezoning to allow an 
>> estimated 454 additional housing units and estimated 900 cars. Under HCA 
>> rezoning guidelines there can be no affordability requirements. Add to the 
>> picture multiple new traffic lights, cars going down Tower Rd via Waze, and 
>> buildings and nightlights impacting the wildlife corridor. Rezoning to meet 
>> HCA state level guidelines needs to be very thoughtful, and Lincoln can do 
>> better than Option C, if it chooses.
>>
>> Housing advocates, who also care about Lincoln's wildlife corridors, 
>> affordable housing and aren't blind to all the housing we already have in 
>> the Lincoln Station area, can vote against Option C and still have pride in 
>> themselves and Lincoln. Lincoln's leaders can propose an HCA rezoning option 
>> focused on the Commons that wants to expand anyway. RLF can propose 85-100 
>> units at the Mall. We do not need to completely change Lincoln for us, the 
>> new residents and our wildlife if we rezone and add housing thoughtfully.
>>
>>
>> *I am replying to the post that started this way*
>>
>> *Hello LincolnTalkers,*
>>
>> *I do not wish to rub salt in anybody’s wounds, and I certainly understand 
>> the anxiety around the possibility of change, but I’d like to remind 
>> everyone why the Housing Choice Act was enacted, not in the first place, but 
>> as a last resort.  *
>>
>> *In many of Boston’s surrounding suburbs, there have been decades of 
>> resistance to providing more housing using techniques such as local zoning 
>> restrictions, concerns about traffic counts, burgeoning school populations, 
>> declining property values, and increased taxes to support additional 
>> services, etc.  And now, I hear the argument that we won’t have enough 
>> affordable housing if we allow any new development.*
>>
>>
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>> ~
>> Barbara Peskin
>>
>> *My Moments in Nature Photo Gallery: barbarapeskin.com
>> *
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

2023-10-19 Thread Nicole Kaplan

I was wondering the same thing. Or maybe make all of the units 55+?Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 19, 2023, at 11:48 AM, Michael Dembowski  wrote:And taxes to offset additional servicesOn Oct 19, 2023, at 11:32 AM, Linda McMillan  wrote:Could we require the developer to build condos rather than rental units in Option C? Or any option for that matter. Don't we want more owner-occupied housing for young families, for seniors down- sizing, and to expand our diversity? Must all 625 units be rental?On Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 5:34 AM Robert Ahlert  wrote:Hi all -I don't think anyone is arguing whether or not to comply but rather HOW we comply.   Option C has some flaws ...1. Affordable Housing - it allows parcels like Lincoln Woods to be converted to 3A "HCA" zoning which means they can be redeveloped with mostly (90%) market rate housing which as you can see from Oriole Landing, is very expensive for a middle income resident2. Traffic - 635 units of residents (e.g 1200 people) in one area will likely have 1000+ cars and while a couple of their trips per month might be walking, most of them will not. We will 'likely' have a mess of cars in S. Lincoln, not just at rush hour, but all day and on weekends.  Maybe that is the 'lively' town center people are envisioning, but not me.3. Visual Appeal - we can have Planning Guidelines all day long but in the end, we are talking about big buildings and a lot of them all in one area.  Think in your mind as you read this about 21 Oriole Landing buildings all in S. Lincoln.  This is realistic because 635 has to be the modeled gross density (per the 3A downloadable model) which accounts for wetlands, septic, and parking).  I have a visual "Lego" site plan for this should anyone want to see how this could very realistically be laid out.4. Pace - Lincoln will be attractive to developers and they know the only thing that has stopped them in the past is 2/3 vote at Town meeting.  That will be gone once the "HCA Zoning" is enacted.  These parcels will be very attractive and as much as we are told this will take decades, i just don't believe it.  We need to be prepared for a lot of development in the next 5 to 10 years with Option C.5. Environment - this is where my understanding gets a little fuzzy but by putting wetlands into HCA zoning using the State maps with 50' buffer, we may even get more density that we are expecting because the State DEP can trump our local conservation laws if we try to block a developer from building in wetlands that were promised in HCA zoning.I think the HCAWG got pressed for time in August/September and felt they needed to submit something for review to the State which they have done, fine, no problem. Now they are considering new options.  But which options?  We will be sending in 10 alternatives to the HCAWG team today to get feedback before D1 and D2 get fully baked.  We hope they will be given time for consideration before the Oct 24 Planning board meeting (next week!).  Why the rush?Hopefully together, we can come up with a better solution.Thanks,RobOn Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 8:06 PM Ken Hurd  wrote:Hello LincolnTalkers,I do not wish to rub salt in anybody’s wounds, and I certainly understand the anxiety around the possibility of change, but I’d like to remind everyone why the Housing Choice Act was enacted, not in the first place, but as a last resort.  In many of Boston’s surrounding suburbs, there have been decades of resistance to providing more housing using techniques such as local zoning restrictions, concerns about traffic counts, burgeoning school populations, declining property values, and increased taxes to support additional services, etc.  And now, I hear the argument that we won’t have enough affordable housing if we allow any new development.In full disclosure, when the Housing Choice Act first appeared, I was not a fan because it was such a blunt instrument.  However, I now believe its good intentions far exceed the cost of compliance if a community works in good faith to meet the challenges of providing more housing in the greater Boston area. As Bob Kupperstein stated, by the simple law of supply and demand, if all towns in the metropolitan area do their part, more housing will help take the pressure off the un-affordability of existing housing stock.   Furthermore, encouraging greater diversity in the types of housing will increase the diversity of people who can and will live in Lincoln.  This will include the gamut from younger households to aging seniors who no longer want to maintain their larger homes or multiple vehicles, from those who work here to those who share the desire to live in bucolic setting.  I do believe the Housing Choice Act Working Group has done an excellent job of parsing through the Act’s cumbersome formulas to arrive at an optimum solution that not only meets the legal requirements but also the spirit of the legislation.  As an added benefit, their recommendation comports w

Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA: Zoom link for Planning Board meeting on Tuesday October 24th

2023-10-19 Thread Danielle Pierce

Can we see the plans in advance so that we can prepare?

Thanks!

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 11:12 AM Margaret Olson 
wrote:

> On *Tuesday October 24th *the Planning Board will be discussing the new
> HCA options D1 and D2. The meeting starts at 7:00 pm with one other (likely
> very brief) agenda item before the HCA discussion. Come learn about the new
> options:
>
> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85285483868?pwd=7IFpRj7vhxQbqxMaLAwHCnveUBFUCq.1
> 
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[LincolnTalk] FS: Black Metal String Light Posts TAKEN WITH BACKUPS

2023-10-19 Thread Andrea Patton

Thank you!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

2023-10-19 Thread RAandBOB

I would like to make two points:– interestingly, a lot of young families have been moving in to Farrar Pond village, to the extent that they have built a playground. It may be that young people don’t want to spend their weekends mowing a lawn or it may be that they just can’t afford a house, but at any rate, they seem to be happy to move into a condo. – I think people are missing the point of the push for new housing. The theory is that if you build a lot more housing, the overall price of the existing housing stock will come down. So it doesn’t need to be moderate income housing to make houses more affordable overall.Ruth Ann(She, her, hers)On Oct 19, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:I simply asked if we had asked them, rather than presume.With little to no money we chose Lincoln ( the same $) as a very modest townhouse in Cambridge.Lincoln lodgings were much smaller, but single family and with open space.- just our choice.I don’t assume or presume what would be anyone else’s priority.Ours was a single family house.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 19, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Chris McCarthy  wrote:Sara,I think many people would want to live in a townhouse in Lincoln. Not everyone wants a 2 acre compound and the environmental impact that goes along with it. That also doesn't speak to the fact that those who care for our children, prepare and supply our food, keep our water and electricity flowing can't even afford that if they wanted. I'm unfortunately no longer surprised by the massive disconnect between multi million dollar land owners and the common person. A tale as old as time. - ChrisOn Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 06:55 Sara Mattes  wrote:To me, it hits the point- get out of the way of developers!Lincoln could change zoning to encourage townhouses.I wonder if any posting to advocate for HCA zoning would elect to convert their own property to a townhouse configuration or support their neighbors who chose to do so?Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 18, 2023, at 10:09 PM, John Mendelson  wrote:I think this misses the point.  The legacy of restrictive zoning has had a huge impact on housing prices in the region, thus making prices unaffordable locally across both single-family and multi-family options. Supply and demand.  Which will only get worse and have broader repercussions for our regional economy in the near term unless we act.I do also think there needs to be a cultural shift away from making single-family housing the ideal, rather than just one of many attractive housing types.On Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 3:50 PM ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:If the Housing Choice Act and those in charge REALLY wanted to help “empty nesters” and “first time home buyers” they would have included affordable housing as a requirement in this act. The truth is, the HCA has NO requirement for affordable housing. It allows each town to require UP TO 10%  affordable housing. The other 90% can be at market rate () unless a town is willing to bribe the developer to add more, as we did with Oriole Landing and a $1 million dollar “loan” (at 0% interest and only to be repaid if they lose units of affordable housing.) The only ones benefiting from the HCA are developers. There isn’t just a housing crisis. There is an AFFORDABLE housing crisis. That missing word is important when you’re going to use diversity and equity to describe it. As far as I know, empty nesters expect their monthly housing payment to downsize at the same time their house size does.But Lincoln Empty nesters you’re in luck! Oriole Landing has multiple units with immediate availability! You can move into this lovely 1156 square foot unit for the low low price of $4076 a month! Pack your bags now because we hear the condo market is hot in these NIMBY towns! 🧳📦Also, if there is such a huge demand for market rate condos and apartments in Lincoln and surrounding towns, why does Oriole Landing have any availability? You’d think that there would be a waiting list of people wanting to move in…. https://www.apartments.com/oriole-landing-lincoln-ma/em0432m/On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 2:26 PM John Mendelson  wrote:I had a very different reaction to the article.  Nowhere in the piece did I discern that the Globe's Spotlight's team's thesis is that there is a housing crisis for those looking for single-family homes.  Rather, the crux of the article (and this is just the first in a series) is summed up in the introductory paragraphs below.JohnFor Milton’s story is everywhere – it is the story of Boston’s pricey suburbs, cocooned by restrictive single-family zoning rules that make apartment and condo projects so hard to permit that they are rarely built.It is the story of a town, and region, that has for half a century doubled down on the status quo, or made zoning even more restrictive, all but guaranteeing that single-family home prices — rising more steeply here than in any other state since 1980 — will remain sho

[LincolnTalk] Free indoor plant

2023-10-19 Thread Britta Das

Approximately 4.5 feet tall.
You will need to re-pot it as it has outgrown its current pot, and I’d like to 
keep the pot.
It is also top-heavy, and needs stakes to hold it up. 
Please email me if you’re interested.
Thank you! Britta




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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA: Zoom link for Planning Board meeting on Tuesday October 24th

When does the HCAWG meet? There isn’t an agenda posted on the town
minutes/agenda page.

Thanks!

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 11:17 AM Margaret Olson 
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> I expect that this will be a report to the PB.  There may be materials in
> advance but my expectation is that we will all be hearing it for the first
> time together, including the PB members.
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 11:14 AM Danielle Pierce <
> daniellewpie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can we see the plans in advance so that we can prepare?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 11:12 AM Margaret Olson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On *Tuesday October 24th *the Planning Board will be discussing the new
>>> HCA options D1 and D2. The meeting starts at 7:00 pm with one other (likely
>>> very brief) agenda item before the HCA discussion. Come learn about the new
>>> options:
>>>
>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

2023-10-19 Thread Michael Dembowski

And taxes to offset additional servicesOn Oct 19, 2023, at 11:32 AM, Linda McMillan  wrote:Could we require the developer to build condos rather than rental units in Option C? Or any option for that matter. Don't we want more owner-occupied housing for young families, for seniors down- sizing, and to expand our diversity? Must all 625 units be rental?On Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 5:34 AM Robert Ahlert  wrote:Hi all -I don't think anyone is arguing whether or not to comply but rather HOW we comply.   Option C has some flaws ...1. Affordable Housing - it allows parcels like Lincoln Woods to be converted to 3A "HCA" zoning which means they can be redeveloped with mostly (90%) market rate housing which as you can see from Oriole Landing, is very expensive for a middle income resident2. Traffic - 635 units of residents (e.g 1200 people) in one area will likely have 1000+ cars and while a couple of their trips per month might be walking, most of them will not. We will 'likely' have a mess of cars in S. Lincoln, not just at rush hour, but all day and on weekends.  Maybe that is the 'lively' town center people are envisioning, but not me.3. Visual Appeal - we can have Planning Guidelines all day long but in the end, we are talking about big buildings and a lot of them all in one area.  Think in your mind as you read this about 21 Oriole Landing buildings all in S. Lincoln.  This is realistic because 635 has to be the modeled gross density (per the 3A downloadable model) which accounts for wetlands, septic, and parking).  I have a visual "Lego" site plan for this should anyone want to see how this could very realistically be laid out.4. Pace - Lincoln will be attractive to developers and they know the only thing that has stopped them in the past is 2/3 vote at Town meeting.  That will be gone once the "HCA Zoning" is enacted.  These parcels will be very attractive and as much as we are told this will take decades, i just don't believe it.  We need to be prepared for a lot of development in the next 5 to 10 years with Option C.5. Environment - this is where my understanding gets a little fuzzy but by putting wetlands into HCA zoning using the State maps with 50' buffer, we may even get more density that we are expecting because the State DEP can trump our local conservation laws if we try to block a developer from building in wetlands that were promised in HCA zoning.I think the HCAWG got pressed for time in August/September and felt they needed to submit something for review to the State which they have done, fine, no problem. Now they are considering new options.  But which options?  We will be sending in 10 alternatives to the HCAWG team today to get feedback before D1 and D2 get fully baked.  We hope they will be given time for consideration before the Oct 24 Planning board meeting (next week!).  Why the rush?Hopefully together, we can come up with a better solution.Thanks,RobOn Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 8:06 PM Ken Hurd  wrote:Hello LincolnTalkers,I do not wish to rub salt in anybody’s wounds, and I certainly understand the anxiety around the possibility of change, but I’d like to remind everyone why the Housing Choice Act was enacted, not in the first place, but as a last resort.  In many of Boston’s surrounding suburbs, there have been decades of resistance to providing more housing using techniques such as local zoning restrictions, concerns about traffic counts, burgeoning school populations, declining property values, and increased taxes to support additional services, etc.  And now, I hear the argument that we won’t have enough affordable housing if we allow any new development.In full disclosure, when the Housing Choice Act first appeared, I was not a fan because it was such a blunt instrument.  However, I now believe its good intentions far exceed the cost of compliance if a community works in good faith to meet the challenges of providing more housing in the greater Boston area. As Bob Kupperstein stated, by the simple law of supply and demand, if all towns in the metropolitan area do their part, more housing will help take the pressure off the un-affordability of existing housing stock.   Furthermore, encouraging greater diversity in the types of housing will increase the diversity of people who can and will live in Lincoln.  This will include the gamut from younger households to aging seniors who no longer want to maintain their larger homes or multiple vehicles, from those who work here to those who share the desire to live in bucolic setting.  I do believe the Housing Choice Act Working Group has done an excellent job of parsing through the Act’s cumbersome formulas to arrive at an optimum solution that not only meets the legal requirements but also the spirit of the legislation.  As an added benefit, their recommendation comports with the goals of Lincoln’s Comprehensive Long-Range Plan adopted unanimously in 2010.  Its highest priority was to create a walkable village c

Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA: Zoom link for Planning Board meeting on Tuesday October 24th

I expect that this will be a report to the PB.  There may be materials in
advance but my expectation is that we will all be hearing it for the first
time together, including the PB members.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 11:14 AM Danielle Pierce 
wrote:

> Can we see the plans in advance so that we can prepare?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 11:12 AM Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
>> On *Tuesday October 24th *the Planning Board will be discussing the new
>> HCA options D1 and D2. The meeting starts at 7:00 pm with one other (likely
>> very brief) agenda item before the HCA discussion. Come learn about the new
>> options:
>>
>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85285483868?pwd=7IFpRj7vhxQbqxMaLAwHCnveUBFUCq.1
>> 
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[LincolnTalk] HCA: Zoom link for Planning Board meeting on Tuesday October 24th

On *Tuesday October 24th *the Planning Board will be discussing the new HCA
options D1 and D2. The meeting starts at 7:00 pm with one other (likely
very brief) agenda item before the HCA discussion. Come learn about the new
options:

https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85285483868?pwd=7IFpRj7vhxQbqxMaLAwHCnveUBFUCq.1

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln does it's part - RLF can propose something modest - Option C is not modest

That is why if we rezone OUTSIDE of the HCA, going through our normal channels, we can have 15%… or more.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 19, 2023, at 4:47 PM, Margaret Olson wrote:The proposed HCA zoning includes a 10% affordable units requirement. Our existing zoning has a 15% affordable requirement; the town was not able to prove that this is economically feasible. The HCA does permit us to have 10% without an economic feasibility study and we will have a 10% affordable requirement in the zoning.On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 10:38 AM Barbara Peskin wrote:Dear Lincoln, I'm sorry I don't know how to reply to a thread on Lincoln Talk directly - but I wanted to reply to the one that started as you see below. It is misleading to say being against Option C is being against new development. None of the people I have talked to dislike Option C because they don't want any new development. In fact they all support reasonable development. The Option C rezoning proposal is not reasonable for Lincoln.I hope all of us considering Option C first explore the Lincoln Station area to see the variety of multi-family zoning that exists there now. Go check out the Flying Nun apartments, Lincoln Woods, Ryan Estates and more. This housing came through 2/3 votes at Town Meeting over many years. You won't see the same level of housing in Carlisle, Weston or other similar towns that also provide home to wildlife and let people live in and around nature. Solution: Eighty five -100 units could be added at Lincoln Mall with a separate proposal from RLF at Town Meeting. In this climate, a modest proposal of 85-100 units would most certainly pass by 2/3 vote. More than likely RLF would have 15% of the units be affordable.Option C is not that modest proposal. With Option C we would be rezoning the small section of Codman Rd between 117 and Lincoln Rd to allow 180 units of housing instead of 11. With Option C HCAWG proposed rezoning to allow an estimated 454 additional housing units and estimated 900 cars. Under HCA rezoning guidelines there can be no affordability requirements. Add to the picture multiple new traffic lights, cars going down Tower Rd via Waze, and buildings and nightlights impacting the wildlife corridor. Rezoning to meet HCA state level guidelines needs to be very thoughtful, and Lincoln can do better than Option C, if it chooses.Housing advocates, who also care about Lincoln's wildlife corridors, affordable housing and aren't blind to all the housing we already have in the Lincoln Station area, can vote against Option C and still have pride in themselves and Lincoln. Lincoln's leaders can propose an HCA rezoning option focused on the Commons that wants to expand anyway. RLF can propose 85-100 units at the Mall. We do not need to completely change Lincoln for us, the new residents and our wildlife if we rezone and add housing thoughtfully.I am replying to the post that started this wayHello LincolnTalkers,I do not wish to rub salt in anybody’s wounds, and I certainly understand the anxiety around the possibility of change, but I’d like to remind everyone why the Housing Choice Act was enacted, not in the first place, but as a last resort. In many of Boston’s surrounding suburbs, there have been decades of resistance to providing more housing using techniques such as local zoning restrictions, concerns about traffic counts, burgeoning school populations, declining property values, and increased taxes to support additional services, etc. And now, I hear the argument that we won’t have enough affordable housing if we allow any new development.-- ~Barbara PeskinMy Moments in Nature Photo Gallery: barbarapeskin.com
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln does it's part - RLF can propose something modest - Option C is not modest

The proposed HCA zoning includes a 10% affordable units requirement. Our
existing zoning has a 15% affordable requirement; the town was  not able to
prove that this is economically feasible. The HCA does permit us to have
10% without an economic feasibility study and we will have a 10% affordable
requirement in the zoning.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 10:38 AM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

> Dear Lincoln,
>
> I'm sorry I don't know how to reply to a thread on Lincoln Talk directly - 
> but I wanted to reply to the one that started as you see below.
>
> It is misleading to say being against Option C is being against new 
> development. None of the people I have talked to dislike Option C because 
> they don't want any new development. In fact they all support reasonable 
> development. The Option C rezoning proposal is not reasonable for Lincoln.
>
> I hope all of us considering Option C first explore the Lincoln Station area 
> to see the variety of multi-family zoning that exists there now. Go check out 
> the Flying Nun apartments, Lincoln Woods, Ryan Estates and more. This housing 
> came through 2/3 votes at Town Meeting over many years. You won't see the 
> same level of housing in Carlisle, Weston or other similar towns that also 
> provide home to wildlife and let people live in and around nature.
>
> Solution: Eighty five -100 units could be added at Lincoln Mall with a 
> separate proposal from RLF at Town Meeting. In this climate, a modest 
> proposal of 85-100 units would most certainly pass by 2/3 vote. More than 
> likely RLF would have 15% of the units be affordable.
>
> Option C is not that modest proposal. With Option C we would be rezoning the 
> small section of Codman Rd between 117 and Lincoln Rd to allow 180 units of 
> housing instead of 11. With Option C HCAWG proposed rezoning to allow an 
> estimated 454 additional housing units and estimated 900 cars. Under HCA 
> rezoning guidelines there can be no affordability requirements. Add to the 
> picture multiple new traffic lights, cars going down Tower Rd via Waze, and 
> buildings and nightlights impacting the wildlife corridor. Rezoning to meet 
> HCA state level guidelines needs to be very thoughtful, and Lincoln can do 
> better than Option C, if it chooses.
>
> Housing advocates, who also care about Lincoln's wildlife corridors, 
> affordable housing and aren't blind to all the housing we already have in the 
> Lincoln Station area, can vote against Option C and still have pride in 
> themselves and Lincoln. Lincoln's leaders can propose an HCA rezoning option 
> focused on the Commons that wants to expand anyway. RLF can propose 85-100 
> units at the Mall. We do not need to completely change Lincoln for us, the 
> new residents and our wildlife if we rezone and add housing thoughtfully.
>
>
> *I am replying to the post that started this way*
>
> *Hello LincolnTalkers,*
>
> *I do not wish to rub salt in anybody’s wounds, and I certainly understand 
> the anxiety around the possibility of change, but I’d like to remind everyone 
> why the Housing Choice Act was enacted, not in the first place, but as a last 
> resort.  *
>
> *In many of Boston’s surrounding suburbs, there have been decades of 
> resistance to providing more housing using techniques such as local zoning 
> restrictions, concerns about traffic counts, burgeoning school populations, 
> declining property values, and increased taxes to support additional 
> services, etc.  And now, I hear the argument that we won’t have enough 
> affordable housing if we allow any new development.*
>
>
> --
> ~
> Barbara Peskin
>
> *My Moments in Nature Photo Gallery: barbarapeskin.com
> *
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

Oops my bad.So, I see you are a follower of Glazer?Keep us posted!Btw - you might find some of his work from the mid early and mid 2000s interesting… and revealing.Pay special attention to footnotes and references….Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 19, 2023, at 2:50 PM, Fred Hopengarten  wrote:If the claim is that Edward Glaeser “left the Harvard Econ faculty,” that would be at odds with https://scholar.harvard.edu/glaeser/home, which says: Edward Glaeser is the Fred and Eleanor Glimp Professor of Economics and the Chairman of the Department of Economics at Harvard University, where he has taught microeconomic theory, and occasionally urban and public economics, since 1992. He has served as Director of the Taubman Center for State and Local Government, and Director of the Rappaport Institute for Greater Boston.  Fred Hopengarten, Esq.    hopengar...@post.harvard.eduSix Willarch Road      www.antennazoning.comLincoln, MA 01773   781.259.0088  From: Lincoln [mailto:lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org] On Behalf Of Sara MattesSent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 7:11 AMTo: Rich RosenbaumCc: Lincoln TalkSubject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning Ha!Glazer… every developer’s favorite economist! I believe, in fact, he left the Harvard Econ faculty to join the ( pro free- market/ pro development) Rapport Institute at the Kennedy School. Gary Taylor and I monitored, with grave concern ( back in the day)his efforts to undue local zoning that stood in the way of development.We wanted to maintain our progress move, deliberative approach to creating more housing opportunities and more affordable housing ( 2 different, but not mutually exclusive things). Glazer’s efforts are finally bearing fruit, and we are struggling to manage change, as we have always done.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 19, 2023, at 3:10 AM, Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:The Non-Profit Quarterly magazine (link below) had a related article some time ago that includes this: Edward Glaeser, an economist at Harvard University, states, simply, that to increase the stock of affordable housing, we need more housing. His argument is that the law of supply and demand will eventually create a stock of affordable housing if developers are allowed to build housing. I find it interesting that people concerned that we would not be adding enough affordable housing seem to be advocating that instead, we build no affordable housing at all. article:https://nonprofitquarterly.org/debate-how-to-increase-the-stock-of-affordable-housing/   Virus-free.www.avast.com -- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

I simply asked if we had asked them, rather than presume.With little to no money we chose Lincoln ( the same $) as a very modest townhouse in Cambridge.Lincoln lodgings were much smaller, but single family and with open space.- just our choice.I don’t assume or presume what would be anyone else’s priority.Ours was a single family house.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 19, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Chris McCarthy  wrote:Sara,I think many people would want to live in a townhouse in Lincoln. Not everyone wants a 2 acre compound and the environmental impact that goes along with it. That also doesn't speak to the fact that those who care for our children, prepare and supply our food, keep our water and electricity flowing can't even afford that if they wanted. I'm unfortunately no longer surprised by the massive disconnect between multi million dollar land owners and the common person. A tale as old as time. - ChrisOn Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 06:55 Sara Mattes  wrote:To me, it hits the point- get out of the way of developers!Lincoln could change zoning to encourage townhouses.I wonder if any posting to advocate for HCA zoning would elect to convert their own property to a townhouse configuration or support their neighbors who chose to do so?Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 18, 2023, at 10:09 PM, John Mendelson  wrote:I think this misses the point.  The legacy of restrictive zoning has had a huge impact on housing prices in the region, thus making prices unaffordable locally across both single-family and multi-family options. Supply and demand.  Which will only get worse and have broader repercussions for our regional economy in the near term unless we act.I do also think there needs to be a cultural shift away from making single-family housing the ideal, rather than just one of many attractive housing types.On Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 3:50 PM ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:If the Housing Choice Act and those in charge REALLY wanted to help “empty nesters” and “first time home buyers” they would have included affordable housing as a requirement in this act. The truth is, the HCA has NO requirement for affordable housing. It allows each town to require UP TO 10%  affordable housing. The other 90% can be at market rate () unless a town is willing to bribe the developer to add more, as we did with Oriole Landing and a $1 million dollar “loan” (at 0% interest and only to be repaid if they lose units of affordable housing.) The only ones benefiting from the HCA are developers. There isn’t just a housing crisis. There is an AFFORDABLE housing crisis. That missing word is important when you’re going to use diversity and equity to describe it. As far as I know, empty nesters expect their monthly housing payment to downsize at the same time their house size does.But Lincoln Empty nesters you’re in luck! Oriole Landing has multiple units with immediate availability! You can move into this lovely 1156 square foot unit for the low low price of $4076 a month! Pack your bags now because we hear the condo market is hot in these NIMBY towns! 🧳📦Also, if there is such a huge demand for market rate condos and apartments in Lincoln and surrounding towns, why does Oriole Landing have any availability? You’d think that there would be a waiting list of people wanting to move in…. https://www.apartments.com/oriole-landing-lincoln-ma/em0432m/On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 2:26 PM John Mendelson  wrote:I had a very different reaction to the article.  Nowhere in the piece did I discern that the Globe's Spotlight's team's thesis is that there is a housing crisis for those looking for single-family homes.  Rather, the crux of the article (and this is just the first in a series) is summed up in the introductory paragraphs below.JohnFor Milton’s story is everywhere – it is the story of Boston’s pricey suburbs, cocooned by restrictive single-family zoning rules that make apartment and condo projects so hard to permit that they are rarely built.It is the story of a town, and region, that has for half a century doubled down on the status quo, or made zoning even more restrictive, all but guaranteeing that single-family home prices — rising more steeply here than in any other state since 1980 — will remain shockingly high.The fallout from these outrageous home prices is a sort of economic climate change, steadily making much of the region uninhabitable for those of modest incomes. Expensive housing acts as a golden gate, and there is a price to be paid for living in a gated community.This is the price: Across this region, the dream of suburban life is largely foreclosed by lack of affordable options to the children of those who live in the suburbs now, to the town employees who keep municipalities humming, to newcomers who might bring new energies to town — and added diversity of class and race.One fact became obvious in the course of this review: The sense of urgency here does not match this bre

[LincolnTalk] Lincoln does it's part - RLF can propose something modest - Option C is not modest

2023-10-19 Thread Barbara Peskin

Dear Lincoln,

I'm sorry I don't know how to reply to a thread on Lincoln Talk
directly - but I wanted to reply to the one that started as you see
below.

It is misleading to say being against Option C is being against new
development. None of the people I have talked to dislike Option C
because they don't want any new development. In fact they all support
reasonable development. The Option C rezoning proposal is not
reasonable for Lincoln.

I hope all of us considering Option C first explore the Lincoln
Station area to see the variety of multi-family zoning that exists
there now. Go check out the Flying Nun apartments, Lincoln Woods, Ryan
Estates and more. This housing came through 2/3 votes at Town Meeting
over many years. You won't see the same level of housing in Carlisle,
Weston or other similar towns that also provide home to wildlife and
let people live in and around nature.

Solution: Eighty five -100 units could be added at Lincoln Mall with a
separate proposal from RLF at Town Meeting. In this climate, a modest
proposal of 85-100 units would most certainly pass by 2/3 vote. More
than likely RLF would have 15% of the units be affordable.

Option C is not that modest proposal. With Option C we would be
rezoning the small section of Codman Rd between 117 and Lincoln Rd to
allow 180 units of housing instead of 11. With Option C HCAWG proposed
rezoning to allow an estimated 454 additional housing units and
estimated 900 cars. Under HCA rezoning guidelines there can be no
affordability requirements. Add to the picture multiple new traffic
lights, cars going down Tower Rd via Waze, and buildings and
nightlights impacting the wildlife corridor. Rezoning to meet HCA
state level guidelines needs to be very thoughtful, and Lincoln can do
better than Option C, if it chooses.

Housing advocates, who also care about Lincoln's wildlife corridors,
affordable housing and aren't blind to all the housing we already have
in the Lincoln Station area, can vote against Option C and still have
pride in themselves and Lincoln. Lincoln's leaders can propose an HCA
rezoning option focused on the Commons that wants to expand anyway.
RLF can propose 85-100 units at the Mall. We do not need to completely
change Lincoln for us, the new residents and our wildlife if we rezone
and add housing thoughtfully.


*I am replying to the post that started this way*

*Hello LincolnTalkers,*

*I do not wish to rub salt in anybody’s wounds, and I certainly
understand the anxiety around the possibility of change, but I’d like
to remind everyone why the Housing Choice Act was enacted, not in the
first place, but as a last resort.  *

*In many of Boston’s surrounding suburbs, there have been decades of
resistance to providing more housing using techniques such as local
zoning restrictions, concerns about traffic counts, burgeoning school
populations, declining property values, and increased taxes to support
additional services, etc.  And now, I hear the argument that we won’t
have enough affordable housing if we allow any new development.*


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[LincolnTalk] HCA character assassinations on both sids

2023-10-19 Thread Benjamin Shiller

I feel a need to chime in and suggest that the conversation about the HCA
depend on the merits, rather than inferred motives.



Recently, there have been allegations that those rich single-family
homeowners are just trying to keep more (affordable) housing units out of
Lincoln, and are against the public good.  Is it fair to assume all they
are trying to fight against housing in Lincoln, as opposed to asking
questions about WHERE needed housing is placed, and whether option C has
real flaws?



A little while back, there were allegations that those on Codman road were
just trying to cash it.  Again, inferring motives is potentially
slanderous.



I would like to suggest that we try to have a reasoned discussion to create
the best outcome for us all in Lincoln, while doing our part to help the
very real housing crisis in Massachusetts.
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[LincolnTalk] FS: Two Tickets: Gregory Alan Isokov 10/22

2023-10-19 Thread Staci Montori

Hi LT,

(Selling for friends who can't make this concert.)
Two tickets available for *Gregory Alan Isokov*'s Sunday's 7:30 performance
at the RoadRunner in Boston.
Tickets are Premium Balcony Right: selling them as a pair for $90 or best
offer. They paid $189 for them. FYI-The venue is standing/no assigned
seating but these tickets have some sort of vip lounge access.

Email me for more details.

Best,
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[LincolnTalk] REMINDER: PUBLIC FLU CLINIC THIS SATURDAY, OCT 21

2023-10-19 Thread Dan Pereira

*REGISTRATION CLOSES FRIDAY (10/20) AT NOON*
*Town of Lincoln PUBLIC FLU VACCINE CLINIC *
*Residents and school families a**ges 9 and up.*
*Saturday October 21, 2023*
11:00 am -1:00 pm
Lincoln School - Reed Gym
6 Ballfield Road Lincoln, MA

Register here:
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All participants must download an Acton Pharmacy Vaccine Administration
Record
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

2023-10-19 Thread Fred Hopengarten

If the claim is that Edward Glaeser “left the Harvard Econ faculty,” that would 
be at odds with https://scholar.harvard.edu/glaeser/home, which says:

Edward Glaeser is the Fred and Eleanor Glimp Professor of Economics and the 
Chairman of the Department of Economics at Harvard University, where he has 
taught microeconomic theory, and occasionally urban and public economics, since 
1992. He has served as Director of the Taubman Center for State and Local 
Government, and Director of the Rappaport Institute for Greater Boston.

Fred Hopengarten, Esq. 
 hopengar...@post.harvard.edu
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Lincoln, MA 01773   781.259.0088


From: Lincoln [mailto:lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org] On Behalf Of Sara Mattes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 7:11 AM
To: Rich Rosenbaum
Cc: Lincoln Talk
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable 
housing & zoning

Ha!
Glazer… every developer’s favorite economist!

I believe, in fact, he left the Harvard Econ faculty to join the ( pro free- 
market/ pro development) Rapport Institute at the Kennedy School.

Gary Taylor and I monitored, with grave concern ( back in the day)his efforts 
to undue local zoning that stood in the way of development.
We wanted to maintain our progress move, deliberative approach to creating more 
housing opportunities and more affordable housing ( 2 different, but not 
mutually exclusive things).

Glazer’s efforts are finally bearing fruit, and we are struggling to manage 
change, as we have always done.
Sent from my iPhone



On Oct 19, 2023, at 3:10 AM, Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:

The Non-Profit Quarterly magazine (link below) had a related article some time 
ago that includes this:

Edward Glaeser, an economist at Harvard University, states, simply, that to 
increase the stock of affordable housing, we need more housing. His argument is 
that the law of supply and demand will eventually create a stock of affordable 
housing if developers are allowed to build housing.

I find it interesting that people concerned that we would not be adding enough 
affordable housing seem to be advocating that instead, we build no affordable 
housing at all.

article:
https://nonprofitquarterly.org/debate-how-to-increase-the-stock-of-affordable-housing/





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Re: [LincolnTalk] LS Boys Soccer Gold Card Fundraiser - 72 hours to go!

2023-10-19 Thread Nadia Jackson

My apologies for the typo, the card expires 8/31/24 :)
 

> On 10/19/2023 7:32 AM EDT Nadia Jackson  wrote:
>  
>  
> Hey Folks,
> The LS Boys Soccer Program is on the tail end of their biggest fundraiser, 
> the Gold Cards.
> This is a discount card that gives a dollar amount or percentage off certain 
> purchases at participating businesses until 8/31/24.
> 
> The funds raised go towards senior night, the banquet, coaching education, 
> equipment and analytics.
> 
> The discounts are as follows:
> Bullfinches Restaurant: $5 off total bill
> CJ's Gourmet Pizza: $3 off an order of $25 or more
> Franco's Trattoria: 10% off entire order
> The Tack Room: 10% off order of $50 or more
> Kings Corner: $5 off
> Mooyah: 10% off entire order
> Rossini's Pizzeria: $5 off $30 or more
> Sobre Mesa: free guacamole with order of 2 entrees
> Sudbury House of Pizza: 10% off entire order
> Verrill Farms: $5 off $30 or more
> Reasons to be Cheerful: Free Topping
> Bueno Y Sano: $5 off order of $40 or more
> Soccer Stuff:  10% off all non-sale items, excludes printing
>  
> The cards (see attached photos) are $20 per piece.  Please be in touch if you 
> are interested in one.  Sales end in 72 hours.
>  
> Thank you,
>   The LS Boys Soccer Program
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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA/Housing

The town wide vote is at the March town meeting. You can see the time line
in the HCWG's slides here:
https://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/85116

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> the character of Lincoln, are Never, never, put to a town wide vote!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

2023-10-19 Thread Chris McCarthy

Sara,

I think many people would want to live in a townhouse in Lincoln. Not
everyone wants a 2 acre compound and the environmental impact that goes
along with it. That also doesn't speak to the fact that those who care for
our children, prepare and supply our food, keep our water and electricity
flowing can't even afford that if they wanted.

I'm unfortunately no longer surprised by the massive disconnect between
multi million dollar land owners and the common person. A tale as old as
time.

- Chris

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 06:55 Sara Mattes  wrote:

> To me, it hits the point- get out of the way of developers!
>
> Lincoln could change zoning to encourage townhouses.
> I wonder if any posting to advocate for HCA zoning would elect to convert
> their own property to a townhouse configuration or support their neighbors
> who chose to do so?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 18, 2023, at 10:09 PM, John Mendelson 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I think this misses the point.
>
> The legacy of restrictive zoning has had a huge impact on housing prices
> in the region, thus making prices unaffordable locally across both
> single-family and multi-family options. Supply and demand.  Which will only
> get worse and have broader repercussions for our regional economy in the
> near term unless we act.
>
> I do also think there needs to be a cultural shift away from making
> single-family housing the ideal, rather than just one of many attractive
> housing types.
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 3:50 PM ٍSarah Postlethwait 
> wrote:
>
>> If the Housing Choice Act and those in charge REALLY wanted to help
>> “empty nesters” and “first time home buyers” they would have included
>> affordable housing as a requirement in this act.
>>
>> *The truth is, the HCA has NO requirement for affordable housing*. It
>> allows each town to require UP TO 10%  affordable housing.
>> The other 90% can be at market rate () unless a town is willing to
>> bribe the developer to add more, as we did with Oriole Landing and a $1
>> million dollar “loan” (at 0% interest and only to be repaid if they lose
>> units of affordable housing.)
>>
>> The only ones benefiting from the HCA are developers.
>>
>> There isn’t just a housing crisis. There is an AFFORDABLE housing crisis.
>> That missing word is important when you’re going to use diversity and
>> equity to describe it.
>>
>> As far as I know, empty nesters expect their monthly housing payment to
>> downsize at the same time their house size does.
>>
>> But Lincoln Empty nesters you’re in luck! *Oriole Landing has multiple
>> units with immediate availability*! You can move into this lovely 1156
>> square foot unit for the low low price of $*4076* a month! Pack your
>> bags now because we hear the condo market is hot in these NIMBY towns! 🧳📦
>>
>> Also, if there is such a huge demand for market rate condos and
>> apartments in Lincoln and surrounding towns, why does Oriole Landing have
>> any availability? You’d think that there would be a waiting list of people
>> wanting to move in….
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.apartments.com/oriole-landing-lincoln-ma/em0432m/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 2:26 PM John Mendelson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a very different reaction to the article.  Nowhere in the piece
>>> did I discern that the Globe's Spotlight's team's thesis is that there is a
>>> housing crisis for those looking for single-family homes.  Rather, the crux
>>> of the article (and this is just the first in a series) is summed up in the
>>> introductory paragraphs below.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> For Milton’s story is everywhere – it is the story of Boston’s pricey
>>> suburbs, cocooned by restrictive single-family zoning rules that make
>>> apartment and condo projects so hard to permit that they are rarely built.
>>>
>>> It is the story of a town, and region, that has for half a century
>>> doubled down on the status quo, or made zoning even more restrictive, all
>>> but guaranteeing that single-family home prices — rising more steeply here
>>> than in any other state since 1980 — will remain shockingly high.
>>>
>>> The fallout from these outrageous home prices is a sort of economic
>>> climate change, steadily making much of the region uninhabitable for those
>>> of modest incomes. Expensive housing acts as a golden gate, and there is a
>>> price to be paid for living in a gated community.
>>>
>>> This is the price: Across this region, the dream of suburban life is
>>> largely foreclosed by lack of affordable options to the children of those
>>> who live in the suburbs now, to the town employees who keep municipalities
>>> humming, to newcomers who might bring new energies to town — and added
>>> diversity of class and race.
>>>
>>> One fact became obvious in the course of this review: The sense of
>>> urgency here does not match this brewing crisis. Not even close.
>>>
>>> One reason may be that swelling property values don’t feel like a crisis
>>> for those who bought into the market years or decades

Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

It is also of note that Glazer’s push for more supply, regardless of type, is in the minority of those in this article presenting ideas and policies to address housing crisis and affordability Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 19, 2023, at 3:10 AM, Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:The Non-Profit Quarterly magazine (link below) had a related article some time ago that includes this:Edward Glaeser,
 an economist at Harvard University, states, simply, that to increase 
the stock of affordable housing, we need more housing. His argument is 
that the law of supply and demand will eventually create a stock of 
affordable housing if developers are allowed to build housing.I find it interesting that people concerned that we would not be adding enough affordable housing seem to be advocating that instead, we build no affordable housing at all. article:https://nonprofitquarterly.org/debate-how-to-increase-the-stock-of-affordable-housing/On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 8:10 PM Susanna Szeto  wrote:Unfortunately, the affordable housing units at Oriole Landing which cost $2,500 per month not including utility and our town paid $1,000,000 to the developer to secure the units to remain affordable in perpetuity is still beyond the reach of many of the people who provide valuable services to the town!  It is important that we develop housing that are truly affordable and not in name only!  According to the rule of thumb of spending 25% of one’s take home pay on housing, one has to have a monthly income of $10,000 (25% of $10,000 is $2,500) and an annual take home income of $120,000.  I know many of our teachers don’t make a six figure salary.  I wonder whom we are building the condos/apartments for?  Susanna Szeto

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

Ha!Glazer… every developer’s favorite economist!I believe, in fact, he left the Harvard Econ faculty to join the ( pro free- market/ pro development) Rapport Institute at the Kennedy School.Gary Taylor and I monitored, with grave concern ( back in the day)his efforts to undue local zoning that stood in the way of development.We wanted to maintain our progress move, deliberative approach to creating more housing opportunities and more affordable housing ( 2 different, but not mutually exclusive things).Glazer’s efforts are finally bearing fruit, and we are struggling to manage change, as we have always done.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 19, 2023, at 3:10 AM, Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:The Non-Profit Quarterly magazine (link below) had a related article some time ago that includes this:Edward Glaeser,
 an economist at Harvard University, states, simply, that to increase 
the stock of affordable housing, we need more housing. His argument is 
that the law of supply and demand will eventually create a stock of 
affordable housing if developers are allowed to build housing.I find it interesting that people concerned that we would not be adding enough affordable housing seem to be advocating that instead, we build no affordable housing at all. article:https://nonprofitquarterly.org/debate-how-to-increase-the-stock-of-affordable-housing/On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 8:10 PM Susanna Szeto  wrote:Unfortunately, the affordable housing units at Oriole Landing which cost $2,500 per month not including utility and our town paid $1,000,000 to the developer to secure the units to remain affordable in perpetuity is still beyond the reach of many of the people who provide valuable services to the town!  It is important that we develop housing that are truly affordable and not in name only!  According to the rule of thumb of spending 25% of one’s take home pay on housing, one has to have a monthly income of $10,000 (25% of $10,000 is $2,500) and an annual take home income of $120,000.  I know many of our teachers don’t make a six figure salary.  I wonder whom we are building the condos/apartments for?  Susanna Szeto

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

To me, it hits the point- get out of the way of developers!Lincoln could change zoning to encourage townhouses.I wonder if any posting to advocate for HCA zoning would elect to convert their own property to a townhouse configuration or support their neighbors who chose to do so?Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 18, 2023, at 10:09 PM, John Mendelson  wrote:I think this misses the point.  The legacy of restrictive zoning has had a huge impact on housing prices in the region, thus making prices unaffordable locally across both single-family and multi-family options. Supply and demand.  Which will only get worse and have broader repercussions for our regional economy in the near term unless we act.I do also think there needs to be a cultural shift away from making single-family housing the ideal, rather than just one of many attractive housing types.On Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 3:50 PM ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:If the Housing Choice Act and those in charge REALLY wanted to help “empty nesters” and “first time home buyers” they would have included affordable housing as a requirement in this act. The truth is, the HCA has NO requirement for affordable housing. It allows each town to require UP TO 10%  affordable housing. The other 90% can be at market rate () unless a town is willing to bribe the developer to add more, as we did with Oriole Landing and a $1 million dollar “loan” (at 0% interest and only to be repaid if they lose units of affordable housing.) The only ones benefiting from the HCA are developers. There isn’t just a housing crisis. There is an AFFORDABLE housing crisis. That missing word is important when you’re going to use diversity and equity to describe it. As far as I know, empty nesters expect their monthly housing payment to downsize at the same time their house size does.But Lincoln Empty nesters you’re in luck! Oriole Landing has multiple units with immediate availability! You can move into this lovely 1156 square foot unit for the low low price of $4076 a month! Pack your bags now because we hear the condo market is hot in these NIMBY towns! 🧳📦Also, if there is such a huge demand for market rate condos and apartments in Lincoln and surrounding towns, why does Oriole Landing have any availability? You’d think that there would be a waiting list of people wanting to move in…. https://www.apartments.com/oriole-landing-lincoln-ma/em0432m/On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 2:26 PM John Mendelson  wrote:I had a very different reaction to the article.  Nowhere in the piece did I discern that the Globe's Spotlight's team's thesis is that there is a housing crisis for those looking for single-family homes.  Rather, the crux of the article (and this is just the first in a series) is summed up in the introductory paragraphs below.JohnFor Milton’s story is everywhere – it is the story of Boston’s pricey suburbs, cocooned by restrictive single-family zoning rules that make apartment and condo projects so hard to permit that they are rarely built.It is the story of a town, and region, that has for half a century doubled down on the status quo, or made zoning even more restrictive, all but guaranteeing that single-family home prices — rising more steeply here than in any other state since 1980 — will remain shockingly high.The fallout from these outrageous home prices is a sort of economic climate change, steadily making much of the region uninhabitable for those of modest incomes. Expensive housing acts as a golden gate, and there is a price to be paid for living in a gated community.This is the price: Across this region, the dream of suburban life is largely foreclosed by lack of affordable options to the children of those who live in the suburbs now, to the town employees who keep municipalities humming, to newcomers who might bring new energies to town — and added diversity of class and race.One fact became obvious in the course of this review: The sense of urgency here does not match this brewing crisis. Not even close.One reason may be that swelling property values don’t feel like a crisis for those who bought into the market years or decades ago, they feel like a windfall. This region, Milton included, is awash in paper millionaires.But standing pat will suffocate hope — the hope of many now trying to enter this mad housing market, from empty-nesters hoping to downsize in the town they know, to newcomers seeking to buy a first home as careers and prosperity grow.On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:15 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:Yes -very inserting article.And very well written-very readable.But what is of special  note is that the article calls it a crisis for those seeking  SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.Those are the first examples they offer.And, then the pivot is to apartment developments and condos, with no equivalent documentation of demand…just the assertion.It is easy to document the demand for affordable units as there are waging lists.On the other hand, we are not docume

Re: [LincolnTalk] Excellent story on the housing crisis, affordable housing & zoning

But do they want to live in apartments and/ or condos?The story has personal stories of people looking for SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.   Perhaps a townhouse might suffice, but that is not what is being pushed by the HCA.And, has anyone bothered to poll town staff/ teachers as to the kind of housing they seek?   Or even that they might want to live here?There are other good reasons for us to continue to expand housing opportunities in Lincoln, as we have done since WWII.Let’s redouble our efforts and continue… in our own way.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 18, 2023, at 9:19 PM, Bob Kupperstein  wrote:I agree, with the comment and the article's introduction - protecting property values has practically become a divine right, and it is in direct conflict with affordable housing.I think, as the article suggests, a good test is whether the people who work in a town, who make it run, protect it, provide services, etc., can afford and have a reasonable opportunity to live where they serve.  How many of our police, firefighters, teachers, town employees, local business employees, etc. live here - or could - if they wanted to?  I think Lincoln, as well as many other suburban towns in the region, fails that test.-BobOn Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 2:27 PM John Mendelson  wrote:I had a very different reaction to the article.  Nowhere in the piece did I discern that the Globe's Spotlight's team's thesis is that there is a housing crisis for those looking for single-family homes.  Rather, the crux of the article (and this is just the first in a series) is summed up in the introductory paragraphs below.JohnFor Milton’s story is everywhere – it is the story of Boston’s pricey suburbs, cocooned by restrictive single-family zoning rules that make apartment and condo projects so hard to permit that they are rarely built.It is the story of a town, and region, that has for half a century doubled down on the status quo, or made zoning even more restrictive, all but guaranteeing that single-family home prices — rising more steeply here than in any other state since 1980 — will remain shockingly high.The fallout from these outrageous home prices is a sort of economic climate change, steadily making much of the region uninhabitable for those of modest incomes. Expensive housing acts as a golden gate, and there is a price to be paid for living in a gated community.This is the price: Across this region, the dream of suburban life is largely foreclosed by lack of affordable options to the children of those who live in the suburbs now, to the town employees who keep municipalities humming, to newcomers who might bring new energies to town — and added diversity of class and race.One fact became obvious in the course of this review: The sense of urgency here does not match this brewing crisis. Not even close.One reason may be that swelling property values don’t feel like a crisis for those who bought into the market years or decades ago, they feel like a windfall. This region, Milton included, is awash in paper millionaires.But standing pat will suffocate hope — the hope of many now trying to enter this mad housing market, from empty-nesters hoping to downsize in the town they know, to newcomers seeking to buy a first home as careers and prosperity grow.On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:15 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:Yes -very inserting article.And very well written-very readable.But what is of special  note is that the article calls it a crisis for those seeking  SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.Those are the first examples they offer.And, then the pivot is to apartment developments and condos, with no equivalent documentation of demand…just the assertion.It is easy to document the demand for affordable units as there are waging lists.On the other hand, we are not documenting demand for market rate, especially high end units.It seems there is no discussion as to how to meet the noted demand for single family homes.Also of note is the graph of where there are a lot of building permits being pulled  and where there are not, without also noting that lots of permits are being pulled where land is easier to come by, like the Denver area.The real challenge will be how to meet demand for single family homes in our area.
--Sara Mattes


On Oct 18, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Alice Waugh  wrote:The housing crisis since the 1960s and soaring prices... Chapter 40B... minimum lot sizes... triple deckers... and of course the Affordable Housing Act... this article has it all. Highly recommended to see the big picture in the Boston area with a focus on Milton.https://apps.bostonglobe.com/2023/10/special-projects/spotlight-boston-housing/milton-restrictive-zoning/I believe you can read a few Boston Globe articles per month for free if you're not a subscriber. Alice Waugh
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