Re: [LincolnTalk] Town Meeting Moments

[Sara Mattes]

Let me remind all that the TM was packed for that vote, and the proponents for 
funding could not reach a 2/3 majority…the outcome was hardly the outcome of 
the work of a small number “vocal minority” at a Town Meeting where “a few 
people showed up.”
There were suggestions that the Fire Department needed to eb called because the 
room was so packed!
Perhaps we need a deep dive to understand how that process went awry?
We have yet to do that and that lack of understanding has haunted us ever since.

If we teased it apart, we discover some inconvenient very complicated  truths 
and hopefully, it might clear the air.



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> On Dec 20, 2023, at 3:46 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:
> 
> Yes and there was the famous meeting where few people showed up and voted 
> down state funding for the school and cost us 60 plus million dollars because 
> the vocal minority showed up.  So we can thank our high tax bills on this 
> horrible process.
> 
> Adam M Hogue
> Cell: (978) 828-6184 
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:19 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah-thank you for filling in blanks and adding more nuance.
>> I hope others read this and add their memories too.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:06 PM, iearler...@verizon.net wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was at that meeting. And after listening to Dr. Wang and others, the 
>>> petition was amended to accept the Peace Pole as a gift from the people of 
>>> Japan, rather than the government. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 09:02:10 PM EST, Sara Mattes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> During some of those extended debates, I sometimes learned a lot.
>>> 
>>> There was a famous meeting in the mid 1980s where the town was asked to 
>>> accept a “Peace Pole” form Japan.
>>> It was a Citizens Petition that no one expected to be very controversial.
>>> Who would/could be against a Peace Pole?
>>> 
>>> It was my ignorance not to realize that many who had come from China or had 
>>> descended from those who had, had very strong feelings about Japan.
>>> Dr. An Wang was one of them.
>>> He stood before us explain his powerful emotions at the thought-how it 
>>> triggers memories of the brutal treatment he and his family had endured, 
>>> and that other Chinese had endured at the hands of the Japanese during WWII.
>>> We had a history lesson, but it did not end there.
>>> Other got up and spoke to the need to heal -if the Japanese could reach out 
>>> to us, after what they had endured too, surely we could all reach out teach 
>>> other.
>>> The discussion went on for some time…back and forth.
>>> By the end of the meeting, Dr. Wang expressed his appreciation of our 
>>> willingness to listen and that now he felt it was the right thing to do-to 
>>> accept the Peace Pole.
>>> 
>>> You will find that pole planted in the SW corner of the town pocket park 
>>> across from the mall that the Garden Club loving cares for.
>>> 
>>> At this recent Town Meeting, most were held to a strict 2 minutes, not goin 
>>> on for 10.
>>> In fact, one former town official has his mike cut as he hit the 2.5 minute 
>>> mark!
>>> 
>>> I, for one, am willing to listen to my fellow citizens, all 15 or more.
>>> Who knows, I might learn something.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 19, 2023, at 8:33 PM, RAandBOB  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> No question annual town meeting could use some improvements. But with 
>>> regard to the line at the mike, imagine each of those 15 people wanting to 
>>> talk for 10 minutes. I have been to many a town meeting where that did 
>>> happen, and believe me, it’s almost beyond enduring.
>>> 
>>> Ruth Ann
>>> (She, her, hers)
>>> 
 On Dec 19, 2023, at 7:49 PM, Terri via Lincoln  
 wrote:
 
 
 Does anyone know what the COST of the Clickers ARE or the breakdown of how 
 many we need? 
 
 The December 2nd Town Meeting was 100%  proof of how inefficient our Town 
 voting process is.  If you have questions about what I am referring to... 
 please watch the video of  the Dec 2nd Meeting especially if you left 
 early or missed it. 
 It's an eye sore not to mention disheartening.. to watch  > 15 
 fellow residents standing in line  at the Mic waiting patiently to be 
 "allowed" to speak.. and then abruptly  told to sit down.  Sad indeed. 
 
 
 Theresa Kafina
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 10:38:06 AM EST, ٍSarah Postlethwait 
  wrote:
 
 
 Like all things in Lincoln- if you want it, you’ll have to fight for it. 
 
 The moderator is against change in general, and it seems that the 
 “clickers” are unlikely to be purchased until after March, if at all. 
 There was debate about town meeting being a time to “stand and make your 
 voice heard” and the clickers make it anonymous.
 
 Sarah Holden Cannon and Kim Bodner said that we need a cooling off per

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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA revolt in Milton

[ٍSarah Postlethwait]

Absolutely no one is refusing to accept that Option C won at the December
town meeting. That is an absurd claim.

People are, however, questioning the entire town meeting process and the
ability for a few people to have such a weighted effect on how the votes
will turn out.

Did you know that only 13% of registered voters casted a ballot in the
second CCBC vote and HCA vote? (CCBC was the first topic and the HCA was
the last for those who didn’t attend).

The March town election had a 24% voter turn out, and the last presidential
election had an 86% voter turn out.
Obviously the citizens of this town want to participate- but sitting
through an 8 hour town meeting isn’t something most are able to do.
Especially if they don’t even have a chance of having their voice heard
after waiting for hours at town meeting.

People are also still not convinced that option C is the best option for
Lincoln and are considering voting NO in March- particularly since the
accompanying bylaws have not been released yet.

This is still an important and ongoing conversation, and the citizens of
Lincoln really need to pay attention to the details of one of the biggest
rezoning laws being  proposed in Lincoln in decades.

Sarah Postlethwait
Lewis St



On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 12:37 PM Laura Glynn  wrote:

> I may be wrong (as usual) but the refusal of the opponents to Option C to
> accept that Option C was duly passed at a duly called and held town meeting
> is eerily similar to those who still claim Biden did not win the duly held
> 2020 election
>
> I have lived in Lincoln for only 30 years.  The New England town meeting
> is the purest form of democracy that exists today and I treasure it.
> Convenience should not be the overriding  goal of government.
>
> In my opinion the issues can’t be very important to you if it isn’t worth
> your time to show up and listen to your neighbors and then vote taking into
> account the discussion.  These meetings are announced far in advance.  No
> one had to hitch a horse and wagon to go through snowy dirt roads to get
> there (as used to be the case).  Except for the truly bedridden everyone
> makes time for Dr appointments, holidays, religious assemblies etc. and
>  showing up at a meeting in your own town is not an outrageous ask or
> burden.
>
> The right to vote is a right but also a privilege.
>
> If our system of government is offensive to you then I am sorry you moved
> to the wrong town.
>
> There is a simple solution.  You can always vote with your feet.
>
> There are 23 homes listed for sale in Milton.
>
> Please stop maligning a system of government that has worked well for
> centuries.  It may be that new technology (clickers) can expedite the
> voting at the meeting but the exchange of views and ideas in person at the
> meeting and before the vote is the essential component of the town meeting
>
> Lincoln talk is not a substitute for the town meeting
>
> So again, we had a duly called and held town meeting at which Option C was
> duly adopted after a motion duly made and seconded as voted by over a
> majority of those who cared enough to devote their time to listening and
> exchanging views and then voting.
>
> I am honestly shocked at the idea that we are to change our system of
> government to make it more convenient for a few with busy schedules
>
> Ok, let the firestorm proceed!
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
>
>> In yesterday’s Globe, a story on how residents of Milton have enough
>> signatures to force a town wide ballot question on HCA.
>>
>> The link is below.
>> If it’s behind a pay wall for you, essentially:
>> “We’re very pleased with the energy around this effort,” Swenson said.
>> The goal of the drive is to force a vote, defeat the zoning article, and
>> put town officials back to work to develop a consensus zoning plan that
>> can earn wider support.
>>
>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/12/19/metro/milton-state-housing-law/
>>
>> Other towns have done similarly, some opting out, others suing the
>> state.
>>
>> Also:
>> I have yet to hear an answer as to why our housing numbers are lumped
>> into those of an Air Force base and why we have not attempted to change
>> that?
>>
>> Regarding town meeting voting. It’s inexcusable, not to mention
>> disrespectful, to residents and a major reason that those with families
>> cannot/do not attend, for a single vote to take an hour and a half of
>> waiting.
>>
>> I would also suggest that large three or four story condo buildings and
>> hundreds of additional cars is a radical change to our town.
>>
>> Tom Kennedy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA revolt in Milton

[Fuat Koro]

It looks like Miltion has representative town meeting.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 2:14 PM Scott Clary  wrote:

> Very similar to what is transpiring in Lincoln.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Scott Clary
> 617-968-5769
>
> Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 10:57 AM  wrote:
>
>> In yesterday’s Globe, a story on how residents of Milton have enough
>> signatures to force a town wide ballot question on HCA.
>>
>> The link is below.
>> If it’s behind a pay wall for you, essentially:
>> “We’re very pleased with the energy around this effort,” Swenson said.
>> The goal of the drive is to force a vote, defeat the zoning article, and
>> put town officials back to work to develop a consensus zoning plan that
>> can earn wider support.
>>
>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/12/19/metro/milton-state-housing-law/
>>
>> Other towns have done similarly, some opting out, others suing the
>> state.
>>
>> Also:
>> I have yet to hear an answer as to why our housing numbers are lumped
>> into those of an Air Force base and why we have not attempted to change
>> that?
>>
>> Regarding town meeting voting. It’s inexcusable, not to mention
>> disrespectful, to residents and a major reason that those with families
>> cannot/do not attend, for a single vote to take an hour and a half of
>> waiting.
>>
>> I would also suggest that large three or four story condo buildings and
>> hundreds of additional cars is a radical change to our town.
>>
>> Tom Kennedy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA revolt in Milton

[Scott Stewart via Lincoln]

 re: let the firestorm proceed! 
Agree, 100% with Laura and everything she said!
This forum has turned into an echo chamber.  I've lost any, and all, interest 
in anything that comes for the ~12 or so people that feel compelled to post 
almost daily with the same rhetoric.  
There is a simple solution.  You can always vote with your feet.  
There are 23 homes listed for sale in Milton.
Thanks Laura!
Best Regards,Scott Stewart

On Wednesday, 20 December 2023 at 12:37:41 pm GMT-5, Laura Glynn 
 wrote:  
 
 I may be wrong (as usual) but the refusal of the opponents to Option C to 
accept that Option C was duly passed at a duly called and held town meeting is 
eerily similar to those who still claim Biden did not win the duly held 2020 
election
I have lived in Lincoln for only 30 years.  The New England town meeting is the 
purest form of democracy that exists today and I treasure it.  Convenience 
should not be the overriding  goal of government.  
In my opinion the issues can’t be very important to you if it isn’t worth your 
time to show up and listen to your neighbors and then vote taking into account 
the discussion.  These meetings are announced far in advance.  No one had to 
hitch a horse and wagon to go through snowy dirt roads to get there (as used to 
be the case).  Except for the truly bedridden everyone makes time for Dr 
appointments, holidays, religious assemblies etc. and  showing up at a meeting 
in your own town is not an outrageous ask or burden. 
The right to vote is a right but also a privilege.  
If our system of government is offensive to you then I am sorry you moved to 
the wrong town.  
There is a simple solution.  You can always vote with your feet.  
There are 23 homes listed for sale in Milton.
Please stop maligning a system of government that has worked well for 
centuries.  It may be that new technology (clickers) can expedite the voting at 
the meeting but the exchange of views and ideas in person at the meeting and 
before the vote is the essential component of the town meeting
Lincoln talk is not a substitute for the town meeting
So again, we had a duly called and held town meeting at which Option C was duly 
adopted after a motion duly made and seconded as voted by over a majority of 
those who cared enough to devote their time to listening and exchanging views 
and then voting. 
I am honestly shocked at the idea that we are to change our system of 
government to make it more convenient for a few with busy schedules
Ok, let the firestorm proceed! 
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

In yesterday’s Globe, a story on how residents of Milton have enough 
signatures to force a town wide ballot question on HCA.

The link is below.
If it’s behind a pay wall for you, essentially:
“We’re very pleased with the energy around this effort,” Swenson said. 
The goal of the drive is to force a vote, defeat the zoning article, and 
put town officials back to work to develop a consensus zoning plan that 
can earn wider support.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/12/19/metro/milton-state-housing-law/

Other towns have done similarly, some opting out, others suing the 
state.

Also:
I have yet to hear an answer as to why our housing numbers are lumped 
into those of an Air Force base and why we have not attempted to change 
that?

Regarding town meeting voting. It’s inexcusable, not to mention 
disrespectful, to residents and a major reason that those with families 
cannot/do not attend, for a single vote to take an hour and a half of 
waiting.

I would also suggest that large three or four story condo buildings and 
hundreds of additional cars is a radical change to our town.

Tom Kennedy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Town Meeting Moments

[Leslie Turek]

As I recall, that vote wasn't at a town meeting, it was through the voting
process afterward. Where the people voting didn't approve of the design
that was being presented, and perhaps didn't fully understand the
implication that rejecting the design would also reject the state funding.
Leslie Turek

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 3:49 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

> Yes and there was the famous meeting where few people showed up and voted
> down state funding for the school and cost us 60 plus million dollars
> because the vocal minority showed up.  So we can thank our high tax bills
> on this horrible process.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:19 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Ah-thank you for filling in blanks and adding more nuance.
> I hope others read this and add their memories too.
>
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:06 PM, iearler...@verizon.net wrote:
>
> I was at that meeting. And after listening to Dr. Wang and others, the
> petition was amended to accept the Peace Pole as a gift from the people of
> Japan, rather than the government.
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 09:02:10 PM EST, Sara Mattes <
> samat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> During some of those extended debates, I sometimes learned a lot.
>
> There was a famous meeting in the mid 1980s where the town was asked to
> accept a “Peace Pole” form Japan.
> It was a Citizens Petition that no one expected to be very controversial.
> Who would/could be against a Peace Pole?
>
> It was my ignorance not to realize that many who had come from China or
> had descended from those who had, had very strong feelings about Japan.
> Dr. An Wang was one of them.
> He stood before us explain his powerful emotions at the thought-how it
> triggers memories of the brutal treatment he and his family had endured,
> and that other Chinese had endured at the hands of the Japanese during WWII.
> We had a history lesson, but it did not end there.
> Other got up and spoke to the need to heal -if the Japanese could reach
> out to us, after what they had endured too, surely we could all reach out
> teach other.
> The discussion went on for some time…back and forth.
> By the end of the meeting, Dr. Wang expressed his appreciation of our
> willingness to listen and that now he felt it was the right thing to do-to
> accept the Peace Pole.
>
> You will find that pole planted in the SW corner of the town pocket park
> across from the mall that the Garden Club loving cares for.
>
> At this recent Town Meeting, most were held to a strict 2 minutes, not
> goin on for 10.
> In fact, one former town official has his mike cut as he hit the 2.5
> minute mark!
>
> I, for one, am willing to listen to my fellow citizens, all 15 or more.
> Who knows, I might learn something.
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2023, at 8:33 PM, RAandBOB  wrote:
>
> No question annual town meeting could use some improvements. But with
> regard to the line at the mike, imagine each of those 15 people wanting to
> talk for 10 minutes. I have been to many a town meeting where that did
> happen, and believe me, it’s almost beyond enduring.
>
> Ruth Ann
> (She, her, hers)
>
> On Dec 19, 2023, at 7:49 PM, Terri via Lincoln 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Does anyone know what the COST of the Clickers ARE or the breakdown of how
> many we need?
>
> The December 2nd Town Meeting was 100%  proof of how inefficient our Town
> voting process is.  If you have questions about what I am referring to...
> please watch the video of  the Dec 2nd Meeting especially if you left early
> or missed it.
> *It's an eye sore.*... not to mention *disheartening.*. to watch  >
> 15 fellow residents standing in line  at the Mic waiting patiently to be
> "allowed" to speak.. and then abruptly  told to sit down.  Sad indeed.
>
>
> Theresa Kafina
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 10:38:06 AM EST, ٍSarah Postlethwait <
> sa...@bayhas.com> wrote:
>
>
> Like all things in Lincoln- if you want it, you’ll have to fight for it.
>
> The moderator is against change in general, and it seems that the
> “clickers” are unlikely to be purchased until after March, if at all. There
> was debate about town meeting being a time to “stand and make your voice
> heard” and the clickers make it anonymous.
>
> Sarah Holden Cannon and Kim Bodner said that we need a cooling off period
> after the Dec 2 town meeting. (I fully disagree- this is a perfect time to
> fix the process. The HCA vote was clearly rushed because the other two
> issues took so much of the day and the people in power had their finger on
> the scale. A fair meeting would not allow room for the atrocities that
> happened on Dec 2.)
>
> It sounds like there will be a forum at some point to discuss the issue.
> Then it will get kicked down the road more. Jim seemed on board for minor
> changes, but the others marked it up to “the vocal minority” outweighing
> those who are happy with the process.
>
> I ac

Re: [LincolnTalk] Town Meeting Moments

[Joan Kimball]

And in Mandarin Chinese,  Dick Bolt responded to An Wang. It was a
> memorable time in our lives.
>
> Joan
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 3:49 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:
>
>> Yes and there was the famous meeting where few people showed up and voted
>> down state funding for the school and cost us 60 plus million dollars
>> because the vocal minority showed up.  So we can thank our high tax bills
>> on this horrible process.
>>
>> *Adam M Hogue*
>> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:19 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> Ah-thank you for filling in blanks and adding more nuance.
>> I hope others read this and add their memories too.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:06 PM, iearler...@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> I was at that meeting. And after listening to Dr. Wang and others, the
>> petition was amended to accept the Peace Pole as a gift from the people of
>> Japan, rather than the government.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 09:02:10 PM EST, Sara Mattes <
>> samat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> During some of those extended debates, I sometimes learned a lot.
>>
>> There was a famous meeting in the mid 1980s where the town was asked to
>> accept a “Peace Pole” form Japan.
>> It was a Citizens Petition that no one expected to be very controversial.
>> Who would/could be against a Peace Pole?
>>
>> It was my ignorance not to realize that many who had come from China or
>> had descended from those who had, had very strong feelings about Japan.
>> Dr. An Wang was one of them.
>> He stood before us explain his powerful emotions at the thought-how it
>> triggers memories of the brutal treatment he and his family had endured,
>> and that other Chinese had endured at the hands of the Japanese during WWII.
>> We had a history lesson, but it did not end there.
>> Other got up and spoke to the need to heal -if the Japanese could reach
>> out to us, after what they had endured too, surely we could all reach out
>> teach other.
>> The discussion went on for some time…back and forth.
>> By the end of the meeting, Dr. Wang expressed his appreciation of our
>> willingness to listen and that now he felt it was the right thing to do-to
>> accept the Peace Pole.
>>
>> You will find that pole planted in the SW corner of the town pocket park
>> across from the mall that the Garden Club loving cares for.
>>
>> At this recent Town Meeting, most were held to a strict 2 minutes, not
>> goin on for 10.
>> In fact, one former town official has his mike cut as he hit the 2.5
>> minute mark!
>>
>> I, for one, am willing to listen to my fellow citizens, all 15 or more.
>> Who knows, I might learn something.
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 8:33 PM, RAandBOB  wrote:
>>
>> No question annual town meeting could use some improvements. But with
>> regard to the line at the mike, imagine each of those 15 people wanting to
>> talk for 10 minutes. I have been to many a town meeting where that did
>> happen, and believe me, it’s almost beyond enduring.
>>
>> Ruth Ann
>> (She, her, hers)
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 7:49 PM, Terri via Lincoln 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Does anyone know what the COST of the Clickers ARE or the breakdown of
>> how many we need?
>>
>> The December 2nd Town Meeting was 100%  proof of how inefficient our Town
>> voting process is.  If you have questions about what I am referring to...
>> please watch the video of  the Dec 2nd Meeting especially if you left early
>> or missed it.
>> *It's an eye sore.*... not to mention *disheartening.*. to watch  >
>> 15 fellow residents standing in line  at the Mic waiting patiently to be
>> "allowed" to speak.. and then abruptly  told to sit down.  Sad indeed.
>>
>>
>> Theresa Kafina
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 10:38:06 AM EST, ٍSarah Postlethwait <
>> sa...@bayhas.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Like all things in Lincoln- if you want it, you’ll have to fight for it.
>>
>> The moderator is against change in general, and it seems that the
>> “clickers” are unlikely to be purchased until after March, if at all. There
>> was debate about town meeting being a time to “stand and make your voice
>> heard” and the clickers make it anonymous.
>>
>> Sarah Holden Cannon and Kim Bodner said that we need a cooling off period
>> after the Dec 2 town meeting. (I fully disagree- this is a perfect time to
>> fix the process. The HCA vote was clearly rushed because the other two
>> issues took so much of the day and the people in power had their finger on
>> the scale. A fair meeting would not allow room for the atrocities that
>> happened on Dec 2.)
>>
>> It sounds like there will be a forum at some point to discuss the issue.
>> Then it will get kicked down the road more. Jim seemed on board for minor
>> changes, but the others marked it up to “the vocal minority” outweighing
>> those who are happy with the process.
>>
>> I actually like the idea of town meeting. But I really needs to be mo

Re: [LincolnTalk] Town Meeting Moments

[Adam M Hogue]

Yes and there was the famous meeting where few people showed up and voted down state funding for the school and cost us 60 plus million dollars because the vocal minority showed up.  So we can thank our high tax bills on this horrible process.Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:19 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:Ah-thank you for filling in blanks and adding more nuance.I hope others read this and add their memories too.
--Sara Mattes


On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:06 PM, iearler...@verizon.net wrote:
I was at that meeting. And after listening to Dr. Wang and others, the petition was amended to accept the Peace Pole as a gift from the people of Japan, rather than the government. 





On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 09:02:10 PM EST, Sara Mattes  wrote:



During some of those extended debates, I sometimes learned a lot.There was a famous meeting in the mid 1980s where the town was asked to accept a “Peace Pole” form Japan.It was a Citizens Petition that no one expected to be very controversial.Who would/could be against a Peace Pole?It was my ignorance not to realize that many who had come from China or had descended from those who had, had very strong feelings about Japan.Dr. An Wang was one of them.He stood before us explain his powerful emotions at the thought-how it triggers memories of the brutal treatment he and his family had endured, and that other Chinese had endured at the hands of the Japanese during WWII.We had a history lesson, but it did not end there.Other got up and spoke to the need to heal -if the Japanese could reach out to us, after what they had endured too, surely we could all reach out teach other.The discussion went on for some time…back and forth.By the end of the meeting, Dr. Wang expressed his appreciation of our willingness to listen and that now he felt it was the right thing to do-to accept the Peace Pole.You will find that pole planted in the SW corner of the town pocket park across from the mall that the Garden Club loving cares for.At this recent Town Meeting, most were held to a strict 2 minutes, not goin on for 10.In fact, one former town official has his mike cut as he hit the 2.5 minute mark!I, for one, am willing to listen to my fellow citizens, all 15 or more.Who knows, I might learn something.
--Sara Mattes


On Dec 19, 2023, at 8:33 PM, RAandBOB  wrote:No question annual town meeting could use some improvements. But with regard to the line at the mike, imagine each of those 15 people wanting to talk for 10 minutes. I have been to many a town meeting where that did happen, and believe me, it’s almost beyond enduring.Ruth Ann(She, her, hers)On Dec 19, 2023, at 7:49 PM, Terri via Lincoln  wrote:
Does anyone know what the COST of the Clickers ARE or the breakdown of how many we need? The December 2nd Town Meeting was 100%  proof of how inefficient our Town voting process is.  If you have questions about what I am referring to... please watch the video of  the Dec 2nd Meeting especially if you left early or missed it. It's an eye sore not to mention disheartening.. to watch  > 15 fellow residents standing in line  at the Mic waiting patiently to be "allowed" to speak.. and then abruptly  told to sit down.  Sad indeed. Theresa Kafina





On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 10:38:06 AM EST, ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:



Like all things in Lincoln- if you want it, you’ll have to fight for it. The moderator is against change in general, and it seems that the “clickers” are unlikely to be purchased until after March, if at all. There was debate about town meeting being a time to “stand and make your voice heard” and the clickers make it anonymous.Sarah Holden Cannon and Kim Bodner said that we need a cooling off period after the Dec 2 town meeting. (I fully disagree- this is a perfect time to fix the process. The HCA vote was clearly rushed because the other two issues took so much of the day and the people in power had their finger on the scale. A fair meeting would not allow room for the atrocities that happened on Dec 2.) It sounds like there will be a forum at some point to discuss the issue. Then it will get kicked down the road more. Jim seemed on board for minor changes, but the others marked it up to “the vocal minority” outweighing those who are happy with the process. I actually like the idea of town meeting. But I really needs to be more accessible to more people. And people who aren’t able to spend their entire day there should still be able to have their vote counted. I think that the only way the select board and moderator will even consider changing anything is if another town is doing it already. So if you can find proof of other towns with 

[LincolnTalk] Lost car remote key in Mt Misery and fields

[Liz Wilkinson]

Please keep your eye out on the trails for my remote car key (Yes, I do
have a spare :). If you find them, please let me know or drop them at the
police station and they'll give me a call.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA revolt in Milton

[Scott Clary]

Very similar to what is transpiring in Lincoln.

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

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On Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 10:57 AM  wrote:

> In yesterday’s Globe, a story on how residents of Milton have enough
> signatures to force a town wide ballot question on HCA.
>
> The link is below.
> If it’s behind a pay wall for you, essentially:
> “We’re very pleased with the energy around this effort,” Swenson said.
> The goal of the drive is to force a vote, defeat the zoning article, and
> put town officials back to work to develop a consensus zoning plan that
> can earn wider support.
>
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/12/19/metro/milton-state-housing-law/
>
> Other towns have done similarly, some opting out, others suing the
> state.
>
> Also:
> I have yet to hear an answer as to why our housing numbers are lumped
> into those of an Air Force base and why we have not attempted to change
> that?
>
> Regarding town meeting voting. It’s inexcusable, not to mention
> disrespectful, to residents and a major reason that those with families
> cannot/do not attend, for a single vote to take an hour and a half of
> waiting.
>
> I would also suggest that large three or four story condo buildings and
> hundreds of additional cars is a radical change to our town.
>
> Tom Kennedy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Speaking time at town meeting

[Bijoy Misra]

I agree that the town meeting format needs change.  Individual expression
in the meeting
was necessary when the meeting was the only forum.  I would think that
information
tables can be set up by individuals or groups to disseminate a point of
view.  It should be
open and all voices should be heard.  The tables can be open for two hours.
The ballots should be electronic.  We must conserve time
Best regards,
Bijoy Misra

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 9:07 AM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

> Paul 100% agreed.  Also, especially in Lincoln things do not just appear
> at town meeting we have dozens of meetings and forums before hand so if you
> have a major opinion or want something changed those are the times to do
> it.  This is why I support we vote as soon as possible or do ballot votes
> we should come to town meeting having already flushed out the issues.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Dec 20, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Paul Rice via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> The 2 minute limit for speakers at town meeting has raised some
> questions.
> I’m not part of the group that governs town meetings but have run meetings
> many times in the past so let me try to explain the reason for limiting
> speakers time at meetings.
>
> In the 80s I attended all town meetings, early morning until early
> evening, coming back on a weeknight because we didn’t finish. People would
> stand and speak for 10 minutes or more often totally off subject so most
> people would give up and just call the vote so they could go home or leave
> before the vote.
>
> At this meeting I counted 20+ people at the mikes in the auditorium, also
> some more were in the gym. At 2 minutes giving some time between speakers
> this would take close to an hour. At 3 minutes it could be 1 1/2 hours. If
> we are to accomplish the town’s business it important that the meeting
> proceeds at a reasonable rate so people stay and vote.
>
> If you are familiar with the warrant article prior to attending the
> meeting it should be possible to prepare a statement that is short, clear
> and takes only 2 minutes.
> If you have major points to make you should consider asking for a place on
> the agenda to present a rebuttal.
>
> Sorry this ran so long, I usually try to keep things short and to the
> point.
>
> Paul Rice
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[LincolnTalk] Fwd: HCA revolt in Milton

[Laura Glynn]

Name now included

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From: Laura Glynn 
Date: Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA revolt in Milton
To: 
CC: 


I may be wrong (as usual) but the refusal of the opponents to Option C to
accept that Option C was duly passed at a duly called and held town meeting
is eerily similar to those who still claim Biden did not win the duly held
2020 election

I have lived in Lincoln for only 30 years.  The New England town meeting is
the purest form of democracy that exists today and I treasure it.
Convenience should not be the overriding  goal of government.

In my opinion the issues can’t be very important to you if it isn’t worth
your time to show up and listen to your neighbors and then vote taking into
account the discussion.  These meetings are announced far in advance.  No
one had to hitch a horse and wagon to go through snowy dirt roads to get
there (as used to be the case).  Except for the truly bedridden everyone
makes time for Dr appointments, holidays, religious assemblies etc. and
 showing up at a meeting in your own town is not an outrageous ask or
burden.

The right to vote is a right but also a privilege.

If our system of government is offensive to you then I am sorry you moved
to the wrong town.

There is a simple solution.  You can always vote with your feet.

There are 23 homes listed for sale in Milton.

Please stop maligning a system of government that has worked well for
centuries.  It may be that new technology (clickers) can expedite the
voting at the meeting but the exchange of views and ideas in person at the
meeting and before the vote is the essential component of the town meeting

Lincoln talk is not a substitute for the town meeting

So again, we had a duly called and held town meeting at which Option C was
duly adopted after a motion duly made and seconded as voted by over a
majority of those who cared enough to devote their time to listening and
exchanging views and then voting.

I am honestly shocked at the idea that we are to change our system of
government to make it more convenient for a few with busy schedules

Ok, let the firestorm proceed!

Laura Glynn

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

> In yesterday’s Globe, a story on how residents of Milton have enough
> signatures to force a town wide ballot question on HCA.
>
> The link is below.
> If it’s behind a pay wall for you, essentially:
> “We’re very pleased with the energy around this effort,” Swenson said.
> The goal of the drive is to force a vote, defeat the zoning article, and
> put town officials back to work to develop a consensus zoning plan that
> can earn wider support.
>
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/12/19/metro/milton-state-housing-law/
>
> Other towns have done similarly, some opting out, others suing the
> state.
>
> Also:
> I have yet to hear an answer as to why our housing numbers are lumped
> into those of an Air Force base and why we have not attempted to change
> that?
>
> Regarding town meeting voting. It’s inexcusable, not to mention
> disrespectful, to residents and a major reason that those with families
> cannot/do not attend, for a single vote to take an hour and a half of
> waiting.
>
> I would also suggest that large three or four story condo buildings and
> hundreds of additional cars is a radical change to our town.
>
> Tom Kennedy


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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA revolt in Milton

[Laura Glynn]

I may be wrong (as usual) but the refusal of the opponents to Option C to
accept that Option C was duly passed at a duly called and held town meeting
is eerily similar to those who still claim Biden did not win the duly held
2020 election

I have lived in Lincoln for only 30 years.  The New England town meeting is
the purest form of democracy that exists today and I treasure it.
Convenience should not be the overriding  goal of government.

In my opinion the issues can’t be very important to you if it isn’t worth
your time to show up and listen to your neighbors and then vote taking into
account the discussion.  These meetings are announced far in advance.  No
one had to hitch a horse and wagon to go through snowy dirt roads to get
there (as used to be the case).  Except for the truly bedridden everyone
makes time for Dr appointments, holidays, religious assemblies etc. and
 showing up at a meeting in your own town is not an outrageous ask or
burden.

The right to vote is a right but also a privilege.

If our system of government is offensive to you then I am sorry you moved
to the wrong town.

There is a simple solution.  You can always vote with your feet.

There are 23 homes listed for sale in Milton.

Please stop maligning a system of government that has worked well for
centuries.  It may be that new technology (clickers) can expedite the
voting at the meeting but the exchange of views and ideas in person at the
meeting and before the vote is the essential component of the town meeting

Lincoln talk is not a substitute for the town meeting

So again, we had a duly called and held town meeting at which Option C was
duly adopted after a motion duly made and seconded as voted by over a
majority of those who cared enough to devote their time to listening and
exchanging views and then voting.

I am honestly shocked at the idea that we are to change our system of
government to make it more convenient for a few with busy schedules

Ok, let the firestorm proceed!

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

> In yesterday’s Globe, a story on how residents of Milton have enough
> signatures to force a town wide ballot question on HCA.
>
> The link is below.
> If it’s behind a pay wall for you, essentially:
> “We’re very pleased with the energy around this effort,” Swenson said.
> The goal of the drive is to force a vote, defeat the zoning article, and
> put town officials back to work to develop a consensus zoning plan that
> can earn wider support.
>
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/12/19/metro/milton-state-housing-law/
>
> Other towns have done similarly, some opting out, others suing the
> state.
>
> Also:
> I have yet to hear an answer as to why our housing numbers are lumped
> into those of an Air Force base and why we have not attempted to change
> that?
>
> Regarding town meeting voting. It’s inexcusable, not to mention
> disrespectful, to residents and a major reason that those with families
> cannot/do not attend, for a single vote to take an hour and a half of
> waiting.
>
> I would also suggest that large three or four story condo buildings and
> hundreds of additional cars is a radical change to our town.
>
> Tom Kennedy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] doll bed or cradle

[Claire Mount]

all sets   thanks sscm

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 12:53 PM Claire Mount  wrote:

> anyone have a doll 's cradle or bed?  my granddaughter is coming and  that
> would be nice if i had one.  thanksclaire
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Retail/Mall-Viability/Profitablity

[Bob Kupperstein]

Sara,

I think the answer is right there in the Charity Navigator report that
you linked:

Financial Metrics
Full Credit

Partial Credit

No Credit
Liabilities to Assets: Ratio - 70.52%0 out of 15 points



The Liabilities to Assets Ratio is determined by Total Liabilities divided
by Total Assets (most recent IRS Form 990). This ratio is an indicator of
an organization's solvency and/or long-term sustainability.



On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 11:48 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Here is another statement about revenues.
> It appears that except for the COVID year, the revenues exceeded expenses
> for the RLF.
> How could that be if the tenants, who have been there for some time
> (Something Special has been there 47 years!) were paying enough rent to
> make the total operation profitable.
> Do we know what the profit margins are at other malls?
> At least ours is in the black, so that must not be a main driver for their
> desire to rezone and sell.
>
> Rich Rosenbaum 
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:19 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Has anybody asks them how they are doing and what changes in the
> environment would hurt/help them?
> How are they doing now?
> Lots of new foot traffic a plus?
> RIse in rents a dela killer?
>
> I have not seen them asked and/or invited to meetings, so how do we know?
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2023, at 4:01 PM, Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:
>
> I would note that mall 'viability' goes beyond its P&L statement. Do the
> stores get enough foot traffic to remain viable?
> Is the mall considered high enough quality space to attract new retail
> tenants? Keep the ones we have?
>
> I don't know the exact answer to these questions but a mall without
> tenants won't remain profitable.
>
> As has been pointed out, the challenges we face are complex and
> multidimensional and (in my opinion) cannot be reduced to any single factor.
>
> Rich Rosenbaum
> member of town committees but speaking as a citizen of Lincoln
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 3:33 PM Karla Gravis 
> wrote:
>
>> I would like to address this statement in the email below:
>>
>> “The facts are that the Mall needs help to remain viable”
>>
>> Let's not conflate the RLF finances with the Mall finances.
>>
>> The 990 filings indicate that the Mall itself has been consistently
>> profitable over the last five years
>> 
>> :
>>
>>- 2018: $80,399
>>- 2019: $191,279
>>- 2020: $122,519
>>- 2021: $111,795
>>- 2022: $164,571
>>
>> Now, in terms of the RLF finances, if there is a concern about its
>> sustainability, perhaps there should be a reflection about its cost
>> structure. The Concord Land Conservation Trust, which oversees double
>> the acreage (more than 1,000 vs more than 500 acres in Lincoln), has
>> expenses of $187K versus $334K for the RLF/LLCT
>> 
>> .
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Outage Map | Eversource

[V Saleme]

Completely agree- I also believe you omitted the word ‘offended’. Next time
please.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:07 AM Christopher Eliot 
wrote:

> It is pointlessly inflammatory to connect global conspiracy theories with
> a discussion of local power outages and tree trimming.
>
>
> On Dec 20, 2023, at 9:39 AM, V Saleme  wrote:
>
> Completely agree!
> More power outages, (bring it) = less productivity, therefore less tax
> base going to fund forever wars and conflicts around the world resulting in
> less Human suffering.
>
> Vic
> Lincoln Ma, ‘home of the potholed speed hump’
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 9:24 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Losing power for a few days is a minor inconvenience compared to the
>> human suffering world wide which sadly is being supported by our tax
>> dollars. Let’s get real !
>> Carol Ryan
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Debra Daugherty 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> We had no significant outage of electricity in Battle Road Farm. Of
>> course, our electric lines are underground.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:07 AM V Saleme  wrote:
>>
>>> My daughter and I enjoy the three or four times a year we have to be in
>>> a hotel for multiple nights.
>>>
>>> Would be nice however to create a fund - preferably from those who wish
>>> to save the trees, to offset the nightly hotel expenses.
>>>
>>> I’m happy to set that fund in motion. Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Vic
>>> Lincoln MA, ‘home of the potholed speed hump’
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:57 AM Christopher Eliot 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Almost all power outages are caused by falling trees.  The best way to
 prevent these is to cut all the trees that are near power lines.  However,
 people in Lincoln want to protect our trees, so it becomes a balance
 between protecting trees and protecting power lines. The power companies
 know how to inspect the lines and can identify nearby trees that may cause
 a problem.

 Then it is basically one or the other: save the trees or save the power.

 I expect the company listens to local opinion and chooses a level of
 trimming based on that. It should really be a town decision how to balance
 tree trimming vs risk of power loss. If the BOS sent a letter to Eversource
 asking for more or less trimming, it would probably have an effect.

 I have a couple of small UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) units.
 These are basically small battery backup units that look like a giant plug
 strip. I use them on my internet service and computers to provide a half
 hour of backup power.  This means nothing has to be shut down or reset
 during one of the common 10 second outages. A UPS can also be used to
 recharge phones, but I’ve got a large battery in the garage that can be
 used to recharge phones.

 Someone should create a device to convert power from lawn-mower
 batteries into something useful in emergencies. I keep a couple of those
 around.

 > We don't know those towns have no outages. I assumed Eversource was
 > reporting only on towns they served and had no information about
 towns they
 > don't serve.
 > Leslie Turek
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[LincolnTalk] HCA revolt in Milton

[tom]

In yesterday’s Globe, a story on how residents of Milton have enough 
signatures to force a town wide ballot question on HCA.


The link is below.
If it’s behind a pay wall for you, essentially:
“We’re very pleased with the energy around this effort,” Swenson said. 
The goal of the drive is to force a vote, defeat the zoning article, and 
put town officials back to work to develop a consensus zoning plan that 
can earn wider support.


https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/12/19/metro/milton-state-housing-law/

Other towns have done similarly, some opting out, others suing the 
state.


Also:
I have yet to hear an answer as to why our housing numbers are lumped 
into those of an Air Force base and why we have not attempted to change 
that?


Regarding town meeting voting. It’s inexcusable, not to mention 
disrespectful, to residents and a major reason that those with families 
cannot/do not attend, for a single vote to take an hour and a half of 
waiting.


I would also suggest that large three or four story condo buildings and 
hundreds of additional cars is a radical change to our town.


Tom Kennedy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Outage Map | Eversource

[Christopher Eliot]

It is pointlessly inflammatory to connect global conspiracy theories with a 
discussion of local power outages and tree trimming. 

> On Dec 20, 2023, at 9:39 AM, V Saleme  wrote:
> 
> Completely agree!
> More power outages, (bring it) = less productivity, therefore less tax base 
> going to fund forever wars and conflicts around the world resulting in less 
> Human suffering.
> 
> Vic
> Lincoln Ma, ‘home of the potholed speed hump’
> 
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 9:24 AM Carol Ryan  > wrote:
>> Losing power for a few days is a minor inconvenience compared to the human 
>> suffering world wide which sadly is being supported by our tax dollars. 
>> Let’s get real !
>> Carol Ryan
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Debra Daugherty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> We had no significant outage of electricity in Battle Road Farm. Of course, 
>>> our electric lines are underground.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:07 AM V Saleme >> > wrote:
 My daughter and I enjoy the three or four times a year we have to be in a 
 hotel for multiple nights.
 
 Would be nice however to create a fund - preferably from those who wish to 
 save the trees, to offset the nightly hotel expenses. 
 
 I’m happy to set that fund in motion. Thanks in advance
 
 Vic
 Lincoln MA, ‘home of the potholed speed hump’
 
 On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:57 AM Christopher Eliot >>> > wrote:
> Almost all power outages are caused by falling trees.  The best way to 
> prevent these is to cut all the trees that are near power lines.  
> However, people in Lincoln want to protect our trees, so it becomes a 
> balance between protecting trees and protecting power lines. The power 
> companies know how to inspect the lines and can identify nearby trees 
> that may cause a problem.
> 
> Then it is basically one or the other: save the trees or save the power.
> 
> I expect the company listens to local opinion and chooses a level of 
> trimming based on that. It should really be a town decision how to 
> balance tree trimming vs risk of power loss. If the BOS sent a letter to 
> Eversource asking for more or less trimming, it would probably have an 
> effect.
> 
> I have a couple of small UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) units. These 
> are basically small battery backup units that look like a giant plug 
> strip. I use them on my internet service and computers to provide a half 
> hour of backup power.  This means nothing has to be shut down or reset 
> during one of the common 10 second outages. A UPS can also be used to 
> recharge phones, but I’ve got a large battery in the garage that can be 
> used to recharge phones.
> 
> Someone should create a device to convert power from lawn-mower batteries 
> into something useful in emergencies. I keep a couple of those around.
> 
> > We don't know those towns have no outages. I assumed Eversource was
> > reporting only on towns they served and had no information about towns 
> > they
> > don't serve.
> > Leslie Turek
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Town Meeting- Big Picture

[Virginia Goodwin]

I believe the proposal is to vote after, not in advance. So any floor
amendments would already have been established.

In my mind, the pinnacle of "democracy" is the vote. Not floor amendments,
not getting to speak your 2 minute pithy statement (which actually is quite
limiting, because how many 2 minute statements can people really sit
through? Very few individuals, in proportion to the total electorate, can
even be heard in the open comment period). The vote is what gets counted,
and ultimately what decides the issues. Therefore, we should not erect
artificial barriers to allowing as many voters as possible to get their
votes in.

It's fine to have the open comment period, but we should expand access to
the vote, so that it is not dependent upon physically being in the building
at the exact right moment, which is not published in advance. Voting should
be scheduled, across a range of times so that as many people as possible
can all have their voices heard *in the way that gets counted*, even people
who, through scheduling conflicts or physical limitations or whatever,
can't physically be in the building all day.

Virginia


On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 9:44 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> All,
> The point of Town Meeting format is to allow  binding amendments from the
> floor ( you and me) and to hear oral arguments that may introduce new facts
> and ideas.
> While it might often seem all is already known - some may have a crystal
> ball- I, for one, benefit from hearing good questions and others opinions.
>
> Returning to the amendment- inviting any and all in directly shaping the
> actual warrant, on the floor, during town meeting is an amazing democratic
> offering.
> How can you vote in advance if you don’t know what is being voted on?
>
> This does not speak to how the meeting is conducted, only the importance
> of being there.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 20, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:
>
> Paul 100% agreed.  Also, especially in Lincoln things do not just appear
> at town meeting we have dozens of meetings and forums before hand so if you
> have a major opinion or want something changed those are the times to do
> it.  This is why I support we vote as soon as possible or do ballot votes
> we should come to town meeting having already flushed out the issues.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Dec 20, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Paul Rice via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> The 2 minute limit for speakers at town meeting has raised some
> questions.
> I’m not part of the group that governs town meetings but have run meetings
> many times in the past so let me try to explain the reason for limiting
> speakers time at meetings.
>
> In the 80s I attended all town meetings, early morning until early
> evening, coming back on a weeknight because we didn’t finish. People would
> stand and speak for 10 minutes or more often totally off subject so most
> people would give up and just call the vote so they could go home or leave
> before the vote.
>
> At this meeting I counted 20+ people at the mikes in the auditorium, also
> some more were in the gym. At 2 minutes giving some time between speakers
> this would take close to an hour. At 3 minutes it could be 1 1/2 hours. If
> we are to accomplish the town’s business it important that the meeting
> proceeds at a reasonable rate so people stay and vote.
>
> If you are familiar with the warrant article prior to attending the
> meeting it should be possible to prepare a statement that is short, clear
> and takes only 2 minutes.
> If you have major points to make you should consider asking for a place on
> the agenda to present a rebuttal.
>
> Sorry this ran so long, I usually try to keep things short and to the
> point.
>
> Paul Rice
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Retail/Mall-Viability/Profitablity

[Rich Rosenbaum]

I’m not sure how my name got at the end of this post, but this is not my
statement.



On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 11:48 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Here is another statement about revenues.
> It appears that except for the COVID year, the revenues exceeded expenses
> for the RLF.
> How could that be if the tenants, who have been there for some time
> (Something Special has been there 47 years!) were paying enough rent to
> make the total operation profitable.
> Do we know what the profit margins are at other malls?
> At least ours is in the black, so that must not be a main driver for their
> desire to rezone and sell.
>
> Rich Rosenbaum 
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:19 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Has anybody asks them how they are doing and what changes in the
> environment would hurt/help them?
> How are they doing now?
> Lots of new foot traffic a plus?
> RIse in rents a dela killer?
>
> I have not seen them asked and/or invited to meetings, so how do we know?
>
>
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>
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[LincolnTalk] Town Meeting- Big Picture

[Sara Mattes]

All,The point of Town Meeting format is to allow  binding amendments from the floor ( you and me) and to hear oral arguments that may introduce new facts and ideas.While it might often seem all is already known - some may have a crystal ball- I, for one, benefit from hearing good questions and others opinions.Returning to the amendment- inviting any and all in directly shaping the actual warrant, on the floor, during town meeting is an amazing democratic offering.How can you vote in advance if you don’t know what is being voted on?This does not speak to how the meeting is conducted, only the importance of being there.Sent from my iPadOn Dec 20, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:Paul 100% agreed.  Also, especially in Lincoln things do not just appear at town meeting we have dozens of meetings and forums before hand so if you have a major opinion or want something changed those are the times to do it.  This is why I support we vote as soon as possible or do ballot votes we should come to town meeting having already flushed out the issues. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 20, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Paul Rice via Lincoln  wrote:The 2 minute limit for speakers at town meeting has raised some questions. I’m not part of the group that governs town meetings but have run meetings many times in the past so let me try to explain the reason for limiting speakers time at meetings. In the 80s I attended all town meetings, early morning until early evening, coming back on a weeknight because we didn’t finish. People would stand and speak for 10 minutes or more often totally off subject so most people would give up and just call the vote so they could go home or leave before the vote. At this meeting I counted 20+ people at the mikes in the auditorium, also some more were in the gym. At 2 minutes giving some time between speakers this would take close to an hour. At 3 minutes it could be 1 1/2 hours. If we are to accomplish the town’s business it important that the meeting proceeds at a reasonable rate so people stay and vote. If you are familiar with the warrant article prior to attending the meeting it should be possible to prepare a statement that is short, clear and takes only 2 minutes. If you have major points to make you should consider asking for a place on the agenda to present a rebuttal. Sorry this ran so long, I usually try to keep things short and to the point. Paul Rice-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Outage Map | Eversource

[V Saleme]

Completely agree!
More power outages, (bring it) = less productivity, therefore less tax base
going to fund forever wars and conflicts around the world resulting in less
Human suffering.

Vic
Lincoln Ma, ‘home of the potholed speed hump’

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 9:24 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:

> Losing power for a few days is a minor inconvenience compared to the human
> suffering world wide which sadly is being supported by our tax dollars.
> Let’s get real !
> Carol Ryan
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 20, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Debra Daugherty 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> We had no significant outage of electricity in Battle Road Farm. Of
> course, our electric lines are underground.
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:07 AM V Saleme  wrote:
>
>> My daughter and I enjoy the three or four times a year we have to be in a
>> hotel for multiple nights.
>>
>> Would be nice however to create a fund - preferably from those who wish
>> to save the trees, to offset the nightly hotel expenses.
>>
>> I’m happy to set that fund in motion. Thanks in advance
>>
>> Vic
>> Lincoln MA, ‘home of the potholed speed hump’
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:57 AM Christopher Eliot 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Almost all power outages are caused by falling trees.  The best way to
>>> prevent these is to cut all the trees that are near power lines.  However,
>>> people in Lincoln want to protect our trees, so it becomes a balance
>>> between protecting trees and protecting power lines. The power companies
>>> know how to inspect the lines and can identify nearby trees that may cause
>>> a problem.
>>>
>>> Then it is basically one or the other: save the trees or save the power.
>>>
>>> I expect the company listens to local opinion and chooses a level of
>>> trimming based on that. It should really be a town decision how to balance
>>> tree trimming vs risk of power loss. If the BOS sent a letter to Eversource
>>> asking for more or less trimming, it would probably have an effect.
>>>
>>> I have a couple of small UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) units. These
>>> are basically small battery backup units that look like a giant plug strip.
>>> I use them on my internet service and computers to provide a half hour of
>>> backup power.  This means nothing has to be shut down or reset during one
>>> of the common 10 second outages. A UPS can also be used to recharge phones,
>>> but I’ve got a large battery in the garage that can be used to recharge
>>> phones.
>>>
>>> Someone should create a device to convert power from lawn-mower
>>> batteries into something useful in emergencies. I keep a couple of those
>>> around.
>>>
>>> > We don't know those towns have no outages. I assumed Eversource was
>>> > reporting only on towns they served and had no information about towns
>>> they
>>> > don't serve.
>>> > Leslie Turek
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Outage Map | Eversource

[Carol Ryan]

Losing power for a few days is a minor inconvenience compared to the human suffering world wide which sadly is being supported by our tax dollars. Let’s get real !Carol RyanSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 20, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Debra Daugherty  wrote:We had no significant outage of electricity in Battle Road Farm. Of course, our electric lines are underground.On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:07 AM V Saleme  wrote:My daughter and I enjoy the three or four times a year we have to be in a hotel for multiple nights.Would be nice however to create a fund - preferably from those who wish to save the trees, to offset the nightly hotel expenses. I’m happy to set that fund in motion. Thanks in advanceVicLincoln MA, ‘home of the potholed speed hump’On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:57 AM Christopher Eliot  wrote:Almost all power outages are caused by falling trees.  The best way to prevent these is to cut all the trees that are near power lines.  However, people in Lincoln want to protect our trees, so it becomes a balance between protecting trees and protecting power lines. The power companies know how to inspect the lines and can identify nearby trees that may cause a problem.

Then it is basically one or the other: save the trees or save the power.

I expect the company listens to local opinion and chooses a level of trimming based on that. It should really be a town decision how to balance tree trimming vs risk of power loss. If the BOS sent a letter to Eversource asking for more or less trimming, it would probably have an effect.

I have a couple of small UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) units. These are basically small battery backup units that look like a giant plug strip. I use them on my internet service and computers to provide a half hour of backup power.  This means nothing has to be shut down or reset during one of the common 10 second outages. A UPS can also be used to recharge phones, but I’ve got a large battery in the garage that can be used to recharge phones.

Someone should create a device to convert power from lawn-mower batteries into something useful in emergencies. I keep a couple of those around.

> We don't know those towns have no outages. I assumed Eversource was
> reporting only on towns they served and had no information about towns they
> don't serve.
> Leslie Turek
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Speaking time at town meeting

[Adam M Hogue]

Paul 100% agreed.  Also, especially in Lincoln things do not just appear at town meeting we have dozens of meetings and forums before hand so if you have a major opinion or want something changed those are the times to do it.  This is why I support we vote as soon as possible or do ballot votes we should come to town meeting having already flushed out the issues. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 20, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Paul Rice via Lincoln  wrote:The 2 minute limit for speakers at town meeting has raised some questions. I’m not part of the group that governs town meetings but have run meetings many times in the past so let me try to explain the reason for limiting speakers time at meetings. In the 80s I attended all town meetings, early morning until early evening, coming back on a weeknight because we didn’t finish. People would stand and speak for 10 minutes or more often totally off subject so most people would give up and just call the vote so they could go home or leave before the vote. At this meeting I counted 20+ people at the mikes in the auditorium, also some more were in the gym. At 2 minutes giving some time between speakers this would take close to an hour. At 3 minutes it could be 1 1/2 hours. If we are to accomplish the town’s business it important that the meeting proceeds at a reasonable rate so people stay and vote. If you are familiar with the warrant article prior to attending the meeting it should be possible to prepare a statement that is short, clear and takes only 2 minutes. If you have major points to make you should consider asking for a place on the agenda to present a rebuttal. Sorry this ran so long, I usually try to keep things short and to the point. Paul Rice-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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[LincolnTalk] Speaking time at town meeting

[Paul Rice via Lincoln]

The 2 minute limit for speakers at town meeting has raised some questions. 
I’m not part of the group that governs town meetings but have run meetings many 
times in the past so let me try to explain the reason for limiting speakers 
time at meetings. 

In the 80s I attended all town meetings, early morning until early evening, 
coming back on a weeknight because we didn’t finish. People would stand and 
speak for 10 minutes or more often totally off subject so most people would 
give up and just call the vote so they could go home or leave before the vote. 

At this meeting I counted 20+ people at the mikes in the auditorium, also some 
more were in the gym. At 2 minutes giving some time between speakers this would 
take close to an hour. At 3 minutes it could be 1 1/2 hours. If we are to 
accomplish the town’s business it important that the meeting proceeds at a 
reasonable rate so people stay and vote. 

If you are familiar with the warrant article prior to attending the meeting it 
should be possible to prepare a statement that is short, clear and takes only 2 
minutes. 
If you have major points to make you should consider asking for a place on the 
agenda to present a rebuttal. 

Sorry this ran so long, I usually try to keep things short and to the point. 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Outage Map | Eversource

[Debra Daugherty]

We had no significant outage of electricity in Battle Road Farm. Of course,
our electric lines are underground.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:07 AM V Saleme  wrote:

> My daughter and I enjoy the three or four times a year we have to be in a
> hotel for multiple nights.
>
> Would be nice however to create a fund - preferably from those who wish to
> save the trees, to offset the nightly hotel expenses.
>
> I’m happy to set that fund in motion. Thanks in advance
>
> Vic
> Lincoln MA, ‘home of the potholed speed hump’
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:57 AM Christopher Eliot 
> wrote:
>
>> Almost all power outages are caused by falling trees.  The best way to
>> prevent these is to cut all the trees that are near power lines.  However,
>> people in Lincoln want to protect our trees, so it becomes a balance
>> between protecting trees and protecting power lines. The power companies
>> know how to inspect the lines and can identify nearby trees that may cause
>> a problem.
>>
>> Then it is basically one or the other: save the trees or save the power.
>>
>> I expect the company listens to local opinion and chooses a level of
>> trimming based on that. It should really be a town decision how to balance
>> tree trimming vs risk of power loss. If the BOS sent a letter to Eversource
>> asking for more or less trimming, it would probably have an effect.
>>
>> I have a couple of small UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) units. These
>> are basically small battery backup units that look like a giant plug strip.
>> I use them on my internet service and computers to provide a half hour of
>> backup power.  This means nothing has to be shut down or reset during one
>> of the common 10 second outages. A UPS can also be used to recharge phones,
>> but I’ve got a large battery in the garage that can be used to recharge
>> phones.
>>
>> Someone should create a device to convert power from lawn-mower batteries
>> into something useful in emergencies. I keep a couple of those around.
>>
>> > We don't know those towns have no outages. I assumed Eversource was
>> > reporting only on towns they served and had no information about towns
>> they
>> > don't serve.
>> > Leslie Turek
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Outage Map | Eversource

[V Saleme]

My daughter and I enjoy the three or four times a year we have to be in a
hotel for multiple nights.

Would be nice however to create a fund - preferably from those who wish to
save the trees, to offset the nightly hotel expenses.

I’m happy to set that fund in motion. Thanks in advance

Vic
Lincoln MA, ‘home of the potholed speed hump’

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:57 AM Christopher Eliot 
wrote:

> Almost all power outages are caused by falling trees.  The best way to
> prevent these is to cut all the trees that are near power lines.  However,
> people in Lincoln want to protect our trees, so it becomes a balance
> between protecting trees and protecting power lines. The power companies
> know how to inspect the lines and can identify nearby trees that may cause
> a problem.
>
> Then it is basically one or the other: save the trees or save the power.
>
> I expect the company listens to local opinion and chooses a level of
> trimming based on that. It should really be a town decision how to balance
> tree trimming vs risk of power loss. If the BOS sent a letter to Eversource
> asking for more or less trimming, it would probably have an effect.
>
> I have a couple of small UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) units. These
> are basically small battery backup units that look like a giant plug strip.
> I use them on my internet service and computers to provide a half hour of
> backup power.  This means nothing has to be shut down or reset during one
> of the common 10 second outages. A UPS can also be used to recharge phones,
> but I’ve got a large battery in the garage that can be used to recharge
> phones.
>
> Someone should create a device to convert power from lawn-mower batteries
> into something useful in emergencies. I keep a couple of those around.
>
> > We don't know those towns have no outages. I assumed Eversource was
> > reporting only on towns they served and had no information about towns
> they
> > don't serve.
> > Leslie Turek
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[LincolnTalk] deCordova I Store **Holiday Shopping Hours This Week**

[Mary Balogh]

HAPPY HOLIDAYS from the deCordova Store!
Our hours for the remainder of this week are:

*WEDNESDAY 12/20:  10am - 4pm*
*THURSDAY 12/21: 10am - 7pm**
*FRIDAY 12/22:  10am - 7pm**
*SATURDAY 12/23: 10am - 5pm*
*SUNDAY 12/24:  10am - 2pm*

** The Twisted Tree Café will be open until 7pm for warm beverages and
other treats!*

We will be CLOSED on Monday, 12/25 and Tuesday, 12/26. We will be
OPEN starting Wednesday, 12/27/23.


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The Trustees | *deCordova Sculpture Park and Museum*
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Outage Map | Eversource

[Christopher Eliot]

Almost all power outages are caused by falling trees.  The best way to prevent 
these is to cut all the trees that are near power lines.  However, people in 
Lincoln want to protect our trees, so it becomes a balance between protecting 
trees and protecting power lines. The power companies know how to inspect the 
lines and can identify nearby trees that may cause a problem.

Then it is basically one or the other: save the trees or save the power.

I expect the company listens to local opinion and chooses a level of trimming 
based on that. It should really be a town decision how to balance tree trimming 
vs risk of power loss. If the BOS sent a letter to Eversource asking for more 
or less trimming, it would probably have an effect.

I have a couple of small UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) units. These are 
basically small battery backup units that look like a giant plug strip. I use 
them on my internet service and computers to provide a half hour of backup 
power.  This means nothing has to be shut down or reset during one of the 
common 10 second outages. A UPS can also be used to recharge phones, but I’ve 
got a large battery in the garage that can be used to recharge phones.

Someone should create a device to convert power from lawn-mower batteries into 
something useful in emergencies. I keep a couple of those around.

> We don't know those towns have no outages. I assumed Eversource was
> reporting only on towns they served and had no information about towns they
> don't serve.
> Leslie Turek
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