[LincolnTalk] frozen ipad

[Nancy Selvage]

A frozen ipad appeared on our doorstep this morning.  I assume that it had 
slipped from a back back belonging to one of the students who waits for the 
school bus at the corner of Conant Road and Old Conant Road. A good samaritan 
must have found it and returned it to the closest house - ours.

If one of your children is missing an ipad, do email or call me at 781 259-8049.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Town Meeting- Big Picture

[ٍSarah Postlethwait]

I can agree with that Adam!
It would be great if presentations were also limited to 20 minutes.

Sarah Postlethwait

On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 4:56 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

> Another big suggestion would be move the recognition of people to the
> end.  Last town meeting we spent close to 2 hours patting people on the
> back.  Let’s get right to business and voting and then people can leave for
> the recognition because most people don’t care who the looker of the fence
> is or whatever award they give.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Dec 22, 2023, at 4:49 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Let us explore what is legal and possible.
>
> It is not simply a matter of mechanics.
> Let’s fully examine and diagnose BEFORE we prescribe.
>
> The one thing could do immediately is to implement clicker ( anonymous )
> voting but leadership is reluctant to citing budget issues.
>
> I would put that at the top
> Of my list and make cuts to accommodate.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 20, 2023, at 8:57 AM, Virginia Goodwin 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I believe the proposal is to vote after, not in advance. So any floor
> amendments would already have been established.
>
> In my mind, the pinnacle of "democracy" is the vote. Not floor amendments,
> not getting to speak your 2 minute pithy statement (which actually is quite
> limiting, because how many 2 minute statements can people really sit
> through? Very few individuals, in proportion to the total electorate, can
> even be heard in the open comment period). The vote is what gets counted,
> and ultimately what decides the issues. Therefore, we should not erect
> artificial barriers to allowing as many voters as possible to get their
> votes in.
>
> It's fine to have the open comment period, but we should expand access to
> the vote, so that it is not dependent upon physically being in the building
> at the exact right moment, which is not published in advance. Voting should
> be scheduled, across a range of times so that as many people as possible
> can all have their voices heard *in the way that gets counted*, even people
> who, through scheduling conflicts or physical limitations or whatever,
> can't physically be in the building all day.
>
> Virginia
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 9:44 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> All,
>> The point of Town Meeting format is to allow  binding amendments from the
>> floor ( you and me) and to hear oral arguments that may introduce new facts
>> and ideas.
>> While it might often seem all is already known - some may have a crystal
>> ball- I, for one, benefit from hearing good questions and others opinions.
>>
>> Returning to the amendment- inviting any and all in directly shaping the
>> actual warrant, on the floor, during town meeting is an amazing democratic
>> offering.
>> How can you vote in advance if you don’t know what is being voted on?
>>
>> This does not speak to how the meeting is conducted, only the importance
>> of being there.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:
>>
>> Paul 100% agreed.  Also, especially in Lincoln things do not just appear
>> at town meeting we have dozens of meetings and forums before hand so if you
>> have a major opinion or want something changed those are the times to do
>> it.  This is why I support we vote as soon as possible or do ballot votes
>> we should come to town meeting having already flushed out the issues.
>>
>> *Adam M Hogue*
>> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Paul Rice via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>> The 2 minute limit for speakers at town meeting has raised some
>> questions.
>> I’m not part of the group that governs town meetings but have run
>> meetings many times in the past so let me try to explain the reason for
>> limiting speakers time at meetings.
>>
>> In the 80s I attended all town meetings, early morning until early
>> evening, coming back on a weeknight because we didn’t finish. People would
>> stand and speak for 10 minutes or more often totally off subject so most
>> people would give up and just call the vote so they could go home or leave
>> before the vote.
>>
>> At this meeting I counted 20+ people at the mikes in the auditorium, also
>> some more were in the gym. At 2 minutes giving some time between speakers
>> this would take close to an hour. At 3 minutes it could be 1 1/2 hours. If
>> we are to accomplish the town’s business it important that the meeting
>> proceeds at a reasonable rate so people stay and vote.
>>
>> If you are familiar with the warrant article prior to attending the
>> meeting it should be possible to prepare a statement that is short, clear
>> and takes only 2 minutes.
>> If you have major points to make you should consider asking for a place
>> on the agenda to present a rebuttal.
>>
>> Sorry this ran so long, I usually try to keep things short and to the
>> point.
>>
>> Paul Rice
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln Historical DYK

[Alice Waugh]

Hi Magruder,

Did you want me to publish this in the Lincoln Squirrel?

Alice Waugh

Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel  and The
Lincoln Chipmunk 

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617-710-5542 (mobile)

www.watusiwords.com


On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:17 PM Magruder Donaldson 
wrote:

> Hello
> The Lincoln Historical Society has put together a DYK on the Old Town Hall
> (attached) which may be of interest to Lincoln Talkers. It is a bit longer
> than the usual DYKs we have done, and has four photos. We hope you agree
> that the occasion of a 175th birthday warrants a bit of editorial
> liberty...!
> Thanks
> Craig Donaldson and Don Hafner for the Lincoln Historical Society
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Town Meeting- Big Picture

[Adam M Hogue]

Another big suggestion would be move the recognition of people to the end.  Last town meeting we spent close to 2 hours patting people on the back.  Let’s get right to business and voting and then people can leave for the recognition because most people don’t care who the looker of the fence is or whatever award they give. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 22, 2023, at 4:49 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:Let us explore what is legal and possible.  It is not simply a matter of mechanics.Let’s fully examine and diagnose BEFORE we prescribe.The one thing could do immediately is to implement clicker ( anonymous ) voting but leadership is reluctant to citing budget issues.I would put that at the topOf my list and make cuts to accommodate.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 20, 2023, at 8:57 AM, Virginia Goodwin  wrote:I believe the proposal is to vote after, not in advance. So any floor amendments would already have been established.In my mind, the pinnacle of "democracy" is the vote. Not floor amendments, not getting to speak your 2 minute pithy statement (which actually is quite limiting, because how many 2 minute statements can people really sit through? Very few individuals, in proportion to the total electorate, can even be heard in the open comment period). The vote is what gets counted, and ultimately what decides the issues. Therefore, we should not erect artificial barriers to allowing as many voters as possible to get their votes in.It's fine to have the open comment period, but we should expand access to the vote, so that it is not dependent upon physically being in the building at the exact right moment, which is not published in advance. Voting should be scheduled, across a range of times so that as many people as possible can all have their voices heard *in the way that gets counted*, even people who, through scheduling conflicts or physical limitations or whatever, can't physically be in the building all day.VirginiaOn Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 9:44 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:All,The point of Town Meeting format is to allow  binding amendments from the floor ( you and me) and to hear oral arguments that may introduce new facts and ideas.While it might often seem all is already known - some may have a crystal ball- I, for one, benefit from hearing good questions and others opinions.Returning to the amendment- inviting any and all in directly shaping the actual warrant, on the floor, during town meeting is an amazing democratic offering.How can you vote in advance if you don’t know what is being voted on?This does not speak to how the meeting is conducted, only the importance of being there.Sent from my iPadOn Dec 20, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:Paul 100% agreed.  Also, especially in Lincoln things do not just appear at town meeting we have dozens of meetings and forums before hand so if you have a major opinion or want something changed those are the times to do it.  This is why I support we vote as soon as possible or do ballot votes we should come to town meeting having already flushed out the issues. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 20, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Paul Rice via Lincoln  wrote:The 2 minute limit for speakers at town meeting has raised some questions. I’m not part of the group that governs town meetings but have run meetings many times in the past so let me try to explain the reason for limiting speakers time at meetings. In the 80s I attended all town meetings, early morning until early evening, coming back on a weeknight because we didn’t finish. People would stand and speak for 10 minutes or more often totally off subject so most people would give up and just call the vote so they could go home or leave before the vote. At this meeting I counted 20+ people at the mikes in the auditorium, also some more were in the gym. At 2 minutes giving some time between speakers this would take close to an hour. At 3 minutes it could be 1 1/2 hours. If we are to accomplish the town’s business it important that the meeting proceeds at a reasonable rate so people stay and vote. If you are familiar with the warrant article prior to attending the meeting it should be possible to prepare a statement that is short, clear and takes only 2 minutes. If you have major points to make you should consider asking for a place on the agenda to present a rebuttal. Sorry this ran so long, I usually try to keep things short and to the point. Paul Rice-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Town Meeting- Big Picture

[Sara Mattes]

Let us explore what is legal and possible.  It is not simply a matter of mechanics.Let’s fully examine and diagnose BEFORE we prescribe.The one thing could do immediately is to implement clicker ( anonymous ) voting but leadership is reluctant to citing budget issues.I would put that at the topOf my list and make cuts to accommodate.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 20, 2023, at 8:57 AM, Virginia Goodwin  wrote:I believe the proposal is to vote after, not in advance. So any floor amendments would already have been established.In my mind, the pinnacle of "democracy" is the vote. Not floor amendments, not getting to speak your 2 minute pithy statement (which actually is quite limiting, because how many 2 minute statements can people really sit through? Very few individuals, in proportion to the total electorate, can even be heard in the open comment period). The vote is what gets counted, and ultimately what decides the issues. Therefore, we should not erect artificial barriers to allowing as many voters as possible to get their votes in.It's fine to have the open comment period, but we should expand access to the vote, so that it is not dependent upon physically being in the building at the exact right moment, which is not published in advance. Voting should be scheduled, across a range of times so that as many people as possible can all have their voices heard *in the way that gets counted*, even people who, through scheduling conflicts or physical limitations or whatever, can't physically be in the building all day.VirginiaOn Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 9:44 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:All,The point of Town Meeting format is to allow  binding amendments from the floor ( you and me) and to hear oral arguments that may introduce new facts and ideas.While it might often seem all is already known - some may have a crystal ball- I, for one, benefit from hearing good questions and others opinions.Returning to the amendment- inviting any and all in directly shaping the actual warrant, on the floor, during town meeting is an amazing democratic offering.How can you vote in advance if you don’t know what is being voted on?This does not speak to how the meeting is conducted, only the importance of being there.Sent from my iPadOn Dec 20, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:Paul 100% agreed.  Also, especially in Lincoln things do not just appear at town meeting we have dozens of meetings and forums before hand so if you have a major opinion or want something changed those are the times to do it.  This is why I support we vote as soon as possible or do ballot votes we should come to town meeting having already flushed out the issues. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 20, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Paul Rice via Lincoln  wrote:The 2 minute limit for speakers at town meeting has raised some questions. I’m not part of the group that governs town meetings but have run meetings many times in the past so let me try to explain the reason for limiting speakers time at meetings. In the 80s I attended all town meetings, early morning until early evening, coming back on a weeknight because we didn’t finish. People would stand and speak for 10 minutes or more often totally off subject so most people would give up and just call the vote so they could go home or leave before the vote. At this meeting I counted 20+ people at the mikes in the auditorium, also some more were in the gym. At 2 minutes giving some time between speakers this would take close to an hour. At 3 minutes it could be 1 1/2 hours. If we are to accomplish the town’s business it important that the meeting proceeds at a reasonable rate so people stay and vote. If you are familiar with the warrant article prior to attending the meeting it should be possible to prepare a statement that is short, clear and takes only 2 minutes. If you have major points to make you should consider asking for a place on the agenda to present a rebuttal. Sorry this ran so long, I usually try to keep things short and to the point. Paul Rice-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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[LincolnTalk] FS: Girls Red Velour Dress + Leggings

[Lauren Vaughan Yockel]

Hanna Andersson: Girls Red Velour Skater Dress + Plaid Leggings
$25 / Size 10 / Purchased last winter, but fit wasn't right for my
daughter, so it was never worn. See pics here
.
Available for porch pick up this weekend.
Lauren Yockel
Concord Rd
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[LincolnTalk] Avoid 95 north - bad accident!

[Kristen Hopson]

Major accident on 95 in Lexington has traffic backed up past Lincoln - avoid 
heading north on 95 any time soon!!! 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Building Costs - Part 2

[Sara Mattes]

Can we require the highest level of green construction and union labor?As we are bundling all housing near the train to be eco-friendly and we are a social justice community, it seems the criteria noted above are critical.I wonder if the Globe took a close look at what both Lexington and Brookline approved?I suspect not as Lexington included many districts far away from town center.And Brookline zoned for a low target number.Also, they have not looked at Bedford or Concord…also taking advantage of existing density and more proposing more dispersed areas  for rezoning, and neither looking to exceed minimum.The Globe has had some great reporting, but often not reporting all of the stories when that info  does not fit their narrative.Sent from my iPadOn Dec 22, 2023, at 10:00 AM, Robert Ahlert  wrote:Hi all -Sending out some screen shots.  This is the same article that heavily criticizes Milton for being exclusionary with its policies by the way. I am just trying to point out that whatever is built here,  will be expensive housing, especially in an HCA zone.  For example, if the RLF pursues a 'top-dollar' strategy for the Mall, that will drive up costs even further.  It's fine with me to have expensive housing but folks should know what they are signing up for.It has a nice calculator which one can use to estimate rents based on 5 choices:Where is the land? Do you use Union Labor? How much Parking? Green Energy? and lastly How much Affordable Housing?See below based on my selections for a 170 unit building, I imagine costs would be even higher on 100 units due to loss of economies of scale ...Rob-- Robert Ahlert | 781.738.1069 | robahl...@gmail.com
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[LincolnTalk] Free Bamboo/Wicker Indoor Lounge chair /Chaise

[Britta Das]

Light weight Lounge Chair with attached cushion. Very comfortable! The cushion 
material is thinning and has some threads pulled out but no holes. 
Not suitable for outdoors. 

Please email me directly with a time you could come by, we can arrange porch 
pick up. 

Thank you! 
Britta

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Building Costs

[Robert Ahlert]

The point of the article is to explain why building costs are so high
around here and therefore the high rents, which is why we have a housing
crisis.  Too much expensive housing.

The HCA zones will drive up land acquisition cost for those parcels because
those parcels will not require town approval.

I do agree that town meeting was a deterrent to developers, but in my
opinion, a good deterrent. Lots of folks disagree with me which is fine.

The zoning bylaws and site guidelines will now need to represent the tastes
of the town and serve as that oversight somehow without being too
restrictive on developers. It’s risky in my opinion. It puts a lot of
pressure on our planning board to be good decision-makers on design.

I think we should put less into HCA zoning to avoid these risks and extra
pressure on our planning board. But maybe they can handle it, we’ll see.

Rob
185 Lincoln Road

*Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | robahl...@gmail.com


On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 9:33 AM Paul Shorb  wrote:

> Thanks Rob, that article is a great explainer.
> Among other things, it seems to support the point that requiring town
> meeting approval of a particular proposed housing development, rather than
> just creating some appropriate zoning rules, is a substantial deterrent to
> a developer. The article explains why.
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 8:37 AM Robert Ahlert  wrote:
>
>> Some insight into what building costs will do to the monthly rents for
>> HCA buildings here in Lincoln …
>>
>>
>> https://apps.bostonglobe.com/2023/10/special-projects/spotlight-boston-housing/construction-costs/
>>
>> Let me know if you can’t read this and I can try to scrape to PDF
>>
>> Rob
>> 185 Lincoln Road
>> 
>>
>>
>> *Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | robahl...@gmail.com
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[LincolnTalk] Table & cage TAKEN

[brianna doo]

Thanks for your interest!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Building Costs

[Paul Shorb]

Thanks Rob, that article is a great explainer.
Among other things, it seems to support the point that requiring town
meeting approval of a particular proposed housing development, rather than
just creating some appropriate zoning rules, is a substantial deterrent to
a developer. The article explains why.

On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 8:37 AM Robert Ahlert  wrote:

> Some insight into what building costs will do to the monthly rents for HCA
> buildings here in Lincoln …
>
>
> https://apps.bostonglobe.com/2023/10/special-projects/spotlight-boston-housing/construction-costs/
>
> Let me know if you can’t read this and I can try to scrape to PDF
>
> Rob
> 185 Lincoln Road
>
>
> *Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | robahl...@gmail.com
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[LincolnTalk] Remote participation for Concord Town Meeting? - Concord Bridge

[Lynne Smith]

Concord is studying the use of clickers for town meeting.

https://theconcordbridge.org/index.php/2023/12/15/remote-participation-for-concord-town-meeting/

Lynne Smith
5 Tabor Hill Road
Lincoln, MA 01773
781-258-1175
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[LincolnTalk] Stormwater Flooding: Help MAPC collect information about December 18 flooding and damage

[Jennifer Glass via Lincoln]

The Metropolitan Area Planning Council (MAPC) is collecting data to understand 
the impact of flooding events on the region, and is looking for information 
related to Monday’s storm.  The survey is open to all members of the public. 
Scroll down for the link if you would like to provide information.
— Jennifer
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> storms.
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> In early 2023, the Metropolitan Area Planning Council (MAPC) released  
> Water,
>  Water Everywhere: The Increasing Threat of Stormwater Flooding in Greater 
> Boston. 
> 
>  One of the key recommendations in the report is to make information about 
> stormwater flooding locations more transparent to residents, businesses, and 
> municipal leaders across the region. 
>  
> The dangers of lack of this information were made unfortunately apparent this 
> past Monday, when heavy rains and winds caused extreme flooding, damage, and 
> power outages throughout New England. 
>  
> In order for residents and businesses in Greater Boston to withstand and 
> prepare for damage from stormwater, we need better data about where exactly 
> communities experience the worst flooding.  
>  
> MAPC hopes to build a comprehensive understanding of where Greater Boston 
> municipalities, residents and businesses experienced flooding this week. We 
> are looking to municipal officials, community organizations, residents, and 
> businesses in the region to complete this survey and/or share it throughout 
> their communities. 
>  
> TAKE THE SURVEY HERE 
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[LincolnTalk] Something Special is happening!

[Sara Mattes]

Yesterday, the mall was bustling.
The parking lot was full, with cars circling to find a spot.
Twisted Tree was hopping and Donelans had lines for check out.

And then, there was Something Special…really special .
It was filled with folks, sometimes there for the first time, finding 
EVERYTHING- all sorts of things for young and old, all price points, from 
practical kitchen items to the sublimely beautiful Simon Pearce glass, and the 
things for babies and children…WOW.

The book selection is eclectic and includes a great selection of local history 
books, including the comprehensive and indispensable history of Lincoln by Jack 
MacLean, “ A Rich Harvest.”

Don’t miss this unique gem in our lively business district.

It really is SOMETHING SPECIAL!

Happy holidays and wishes for peace.
 
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[LincolnTalk] Building Costs

[Robert Ahlert]

Some insight into what building costs will do to the monthly rents for HCA
buildings here in Lincoln …

https://apps.bostonglobe.com/2023/10/special-projects/spotlight-boston-housing/construction-costs/

Let me know if you can’t read this and I can try to scrape to PDF

Rob
185 Lincoln Road

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[LincolnTalk] TKN: FR Antique Steamer Trunk

[Margo Fisher-Martin]

Hi,

The steamer trunk has been claimed with many backups. If anything should
change, I will let you know.
Thank you for your interest!
Margo

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 5:35 PM Margo Fisher-Martin <
margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Beautiful antique steamer trunk.
> Great for storing blankets, linens, games etc..
> FREE!
> Reply to sender if interested.
> Margo Martin
>
>
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