Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-25 Thread Carol Bickford via Lincoln 
Heather Cox Richardson’s “Letters from an American” had an eye opening 
perspective on the history of the NRA today:

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/may-24-2022?s=r

Carol Bickford

> On May 25, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Linda McMillan  wrote:
> 
> I totally agree. The Republican Senators should be ashamed. They have been 
> stonewalling gun reform legislation because they are beholden to the gun 
> lobby. Power and money is what they are about. This week, the Governor of 
> Texas (Greg Abbot), Ted Cruz, and Trump will be speaking at the National 
> Rifle Association annual conference. How do they get up in the morning and 
> face their conscience.  Will they edit their planned remarks I wonder?
> 
>> On May 25, 2022, at 11:02 AM, dilla tingley  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, thankyou Sarah
>> Unfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation today now that 
>> the far right feels they need them to overthrow our government.  .  Dilla
>> 
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Good Evening,
>>> 
>>> I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.  The 
>>> guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would be 
>>> horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun violence.  
>>> When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time to reload. 
>>>  Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say you Justices 
>>> of the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent proponents?  The 2nd 
>>> Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns available today that 
>>> are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A well regulated  militia, 
>>> being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to 
>>> keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We have gone so far beyond 
>>> that original intent that we are all complicit at some level for the 
>>> ongoing violence here.  I say, let us protest.  Let us march.  Let us 
>>> insist that Congress, state legislatures and the Supreme Court act - now... 
>>>  We must speak out.
>>> 
>>> I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be 
>>> touched by this horrendous tragedy.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.  Sarah
>>> -- 
>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-25 Thread Richard Panetta 
Automatic weapons are basically banned so that would be very far fetched.
They cost thousands, you need a federal stamp to own one.

But yes according to Margit and the rules of LT this type of discussion
does not belong here. She has made this very clear several times

And to add to that  this type of discussion would not be welcome on the FB
discussion group either. Unless it specifically dealt with Lincoln schools.



On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 7:29 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Unless of course an unstable gunman with a fully automatic military
> grade assault rifle comes to our town, to our school…
>
> But that would never ever happen, right?
>
> Not in the ivory tower of Lincoln or the lush suburbs of Newtown, CT.
>
> It would NEVER happen here….
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 6:59 PM, Seth Rosen 
> wrote:
>
> It seems to me this string is a national political debate and not a
> Lincoln-specific topic.
>
> A town message forum focused on hyper-local issues does not seem like the
> right place for this type of back and forth.
>
> Hopefully this thread can end and this discussion can be shifted
> elsewhere.  Plenty of places for this, but this doesn’t seem like the right
> one to me…
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Excuse me-hope and prayers have gotten us nowhere!
> The bloodshed continues.
>
> Of course we are distraught and pray that we can move BEYOND hope and
> prayers to action that might, just might have a chance of stopping the
> bloodshed.
>
> I can balance sorrow and rage at the same time.
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 6:29 PM, john gregg  wrote:
>
>
> On a day of mourning instead of praising the people who saved lives like
> the border patrol officer who killed the shooter, or security officer on
> the grounds who also stopped more deaths and praying (we need more praying
> and faith for good in this world) for those who lost family members,
> children, to the selfish act of one person it has become an attack on those
> with whom this community does not like or even heaven forbid disagree with.
>
> It has also become a crisis of which people can push their agenda, that is
> this community, not pray for the lives lost and have silence to remember
> that any violence should never be tolerated. Nope, as Rahm Emmanuel
> famously was quoted.“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.
> And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you
> could not do before.”
> ― Rahm Emanuel
>
> My thoughts go to the survivors and families who lost people they loved to
> early and that the good people in this country can come together and help
> to find solutions to the many issues we have in front of us regarding
> violence and lives lost on a daily basis. This should be a case in point to
> bring a people together to have civil conversations and not cast stones
> from Ivory Towers.
>
> John Gregg
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 04:41:42 PM EDT, Sara Mattes <
> samat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> GOP response?
> Arm all teachers.
>
> NRA?
> Act of lone madman.
>
>
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Linda McMillan 
> wrote:
>
> I totally agree. The Republican Senators should be ashamed. They have been
> stonewalling gun reform legislation because they are beholden to the gun
> lobby. Power and money is what they are about. This week, the Governor of
> Texas (Greg Abbot), Ted Cruz, and Trump will be speaking at the National
> Rifle Association annual conference. How do they get up in the morning and
> face their conscience.  Will they edit their planned remarks I wonder?
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 11:02 AM, dilla tingley 
> wrote:
>
> Yes, thankyou Sarah
> Unfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation today now
> that the far right feels they need them to overthrow our
> government.  .  Dilla
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden <
> sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good Evening,
>
> I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.
> The guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would
> be horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun
> violence.  When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time
> to reload.  Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say
> you Justices of the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent
> proponents?  The 2nd Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns
> available today that are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A *well
> regulated * militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
> right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We
> have gone so far beyond that original intent that we are all complicit at
> some level for the ongoing violence

Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-25 Thread Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
Far fetched unless the gunman has a car….




Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 7:37 PM, Richard Panetta  
wrote:

Automatic weapons are basically banned so that would be very far fetched. They 
cost thousands, you need a federal stamp to own one. 
But yes according to Margit and the rules of LT this type of discussion does 
not belong here. She has made this very clear several times 
And to add to that  this type of discussion would not be welcome on the FB 
discussion group either. Unless it specifically dealt with Lincoln schools. 


On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 7:29 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:

Unless of course an unstable gunman with a fully automatic military grade 
assault rifle comes to our town, to our school…
But that would never ever happen, right?
Not in the ivory tower of Lincoln or the lush suburbs of Newtown, CT.
It would NEVER happen here….






Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 6:59 PM, Seth Rosen  wrote:

It seems to me this string is a national political debate and not a 
Lincoln-specific topic.
A town message forum focused on hyper-local issues does not seem like the right 
place for this type of back and forth.
Hopefully this thread can end and this discussion can be shifted elsewhere.  
Plenty of places for this, but this doesn’t seem like the right one to me…

On May 25, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:




Excuse me-hope and prayers have gotten us nowhere!The bloodshed continues.

Of course we are distraught and pray that we can move BEYOND hope and prayers 
to action that might, just might have a chance of stopping the bloodshed.
I can balance sorrow and rage at the same time.
--
Sara Mattes





On May 25, 2022, at 6:29 PM, john gregg  wrote:
 
On a day of mourning instead of praising the people who saved lives like the 
border patrol officer who killed the shooter, or security officer on the 
grounds who also stopped more deaths and praying (we need more praying and 
faith for good in this world) for those who lost family members, children, to 
the selfish act of one person it has become an attack on those with whom this 
community does not like or even heaven forbid disagree with. 
It has also become a crisis of which people can push their agenda, that is this 
community, not pray for the lives lost and have silence to remember that any 
violence should never be tolerated. Nope, as Rahm Emmanuel famously was 
quoted.“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by 
that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.”― 
Rahm Emanuel
My thoughts go to the survivors and families who lost people they loved to 
early and that the good people in this country can come together and help to 
find solutions to the many issues we have in front of us regarding violence and 
lives lost on a daily basis. This should be a case in point to bring a people 
together to have civil conversations and not cast stones from Ivory Towers.
John GreggOn Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 04:41:42 PM EDT, Sara Mattes 
 wrote:  
 
 GOP response?Arm all teachers.
NRA?   Act of lone madman.


--
Sara Mattes





On May 25, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Linda McMillan  wrote:

I totally agree. The Republican Senators should be ashamed. They have been 
stonewalling gun reform legislation because they are beholden to the gun lobby. 
Power and money is what they are about. This week, the Governor of Texas (Greg 
Abbot), Ted Cruz, and Trump will be speaking at the National Rifle Association 
annual conference. How do they get up in the morning and face their conscience. 
 Will they edit their planned remarks I wonder?


On May 25, 2022, at 11:02 AM, dilla tingley  wrote:
Yes, thankyou SarahUnfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation 
today now that the far right feels they need them to overthrow our government.  
.  Dilla
On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden 
 wrote:

Good Evening,
I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.  The 
guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would be 
horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun violence.  
When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time to reload.  
Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say you Justices of 
the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent proponents?  The 2nd Amendment 
does not say that eveyone can have the guns available today that are bought to 
kill innocent people.  No it says "A well regulated  militia, being necessary 
to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, 
shall not be infringed."  We have gone so far beyond that original intent that 
we are all complicit at some level for the ongoing violence here.  I say, let 
us protest.  Let us march.  Let us insist that Congress, state legislatures and 
the Supreme Court act - now...  We must speak out.
I pray

Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-25 Thread Elaine Jarvis 
well said. action is needed! Now. this has nothing to do with which political 
party you associate with. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2022, at 6:43 PM, sarah cannon holden 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good Evening,
> 
> I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.  The 
> guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would be 
> horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun violence.  
> When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time to reload.  
> Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say you Justices of 
> the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent proponents?  The 2nd 
> Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns available today that 
> are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A well regulated  militia, 
> being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to 
> keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We have gone so far beyond that 
> original intent that we are all complicit at some level for the ongoing 
> violence here.  I say, let us protest.  Let us march.  Let us insist that 
> Congress, state legislatures and the Supreme Court act - now...  We must 
> speak out.
> 
> I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be 
> touched by this horrendous tragedy.
> 
> Thank you.  Sarah
> -- 
> The LincolnTalk mailing list.
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> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/.
> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-25 Thread Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
Unless of course an unstable gunman with a fully automatic military grade 
assault rifle comes to our town, to our school…
But that would never ever happen, right?
Not in the ivory tower of Lincoln or the lush suburbs of Newtown, CT.
It would NEVER happen here….






Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 6:59 PM, Seth Rosen  wrote:

It seems to me this string is a national political debate and not a 
Lincoln-specific topic.
A town message forum focused on hyper-local issues does not seem like the right 
place for this type of back and forth.
Hopefully this thread can end and this discussion can be shifted elsewhere.  
Plenty of places for this, but this doesn’t seem like the right one to me…

On May 25, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:




Excuse me-hope and prayers have gotten us nowhere!The bloodshed continues.

Of course we are distraught and pray that we can move BEYOND hope and prayers 
to action that might, just might have a chance of stopping the bloodshed.
I can balance sorrow and rage at the same time.
--
Sara Mattes





On May 25, 2022, at 6:29 PM, john gregg  wrote:
 
On a day of mourning instead of praising the people who saved lives like the 
border patrol officer who killed the shooter, or security officer on the 
grounds who also stopped more deaths and praying (we need more praying and 
faith for good in this world) for those who lost family members, children, to 
the selfish act of one person it has become an attack on those with whom this 
community does not like or even heaven forbid disagree with. 
It has also become a crisis of which people can push their agenda, that is this 
community, not pray for the lives lost and have silence to remember that any 
violence should never be tolerated. Nope, as Rahm Emmanuel famously was 
quoted.“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by 
that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.”― 
Rahm Emanuel
My thoughts go to the survivors and families who lost people they loved to 
early and that the good people in this country can come together and help to 
find solutions to the many issues we have in front of us regarding violence and 
lives lost on a daily basis. This should be a case in point to bring a people 
together to have civil conversations and not cast stones from Ivory Towers.
John GreggOn Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 04:41:42 PM EDT, Sara Mattes 
 wrote:  
 
 GOP response?Arm all teachers.
NRA?   Act of lone madman.


--
Sara Mattes





On May 25, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Linda McMillan  wrote:

I totally agree. The Republican Senators should be ashamed. They have been 
stonewalling gun reform legislation because they are beholden to the gun lobby. 
Power and money is what they are about. This week, the Governor of Texas (Greg 
Abbot), Ted Cruz, and Trump will be speaking at the National Rifle Association 
annual conference. How do they get up in the morning and face their conscience. 
 Will they edit their planned remarks I wonder?


On May 25, 2022, at 11:02 AM, dilla tingley  wrote:
Yes, thankyou SarahUnfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation 
today now that the far right feels they need them to overthrow our government.  
.  Dilla
On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden 
 wrote:

Good Evening,
I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.  The 
guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would be 
horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun violence.  
When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time to reload.  
Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say you Justices of 
the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent proponents?  The 2nd Amendment 
does not say that eveyone can have the guns available today that are bought to 
kill innocent people.  No it says "A well regulated  militia, being necessary 
to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, 
shall not be infringed."  We have gone so far beyond that original intent that 
we are all complicit at some level for the ongoing violence here.  I say, let 
us protest.  Let us march.  Let us insist that Congress, state legislatures and 
the Supreme Court act - now...  We must speak out.
I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be 
touched by this horrendous tragedy.
Thank you.  Sarah-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-25 Thread Seth Rosen 
It seems to me this string is a national political debate and not a 
Lincoln-specific topic.

A town message forum focused on hyper-local issues does not seem like the right 
place for this type of back and forth.

Hopefully this thread can end and this discussion can be shifted elsewhere.  
Plenty of places for this, but this doesn’t seem like the right one to me…

> On May 25, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
> 
> Excuse me-hope and prayers have gotten us nowhere!
> The bloodshed continues.
> 
> Of course we are distraught and pray that we can move BEYOND hope and prayers 
> to action that might, just might have a chance of stopping the bloodshed.
> 
> I can balance sorrow and rage at the same time.
> 
> --
> Sara Mattes
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2022, at 6:29 PM, john gregg  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On a day of mourning instead of praising the people who saved lives like the 
>> border patrol officer who killed the shooter, or security officer on the 
>> grounds who also stopped more deaths and praying (we need more praying and 
>> faith for good in this world) for those who lost family members, children, 
>> to the selfish act of one person it has become an attack on those with whom 
>> this community does not like or even heaven forbid disagree with. 
>> 
>> It has also become a crisis of which people can push their agenda, that is 
>> this community, not pray for the lives lost and have silence to remember 
>> that any violence should never be tolerated. Nope, as Rahm Emmanuel famously 
>> was quoted.“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I 
>> mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do 
>> before.”
>> ― Rahm Emanuel
>> 
>> My thoughts go to the survivors and families who lost people they loved to 
>> early and that the good people in this country can come together and help to 
>> find solutions to the many issues we have in front of us regarding violence 
>> and lives lost on a daily basis. This should be a case in point to bring a 
>> people together to have civil conversations and not cast stones from Ivory 
>> Towers.
>> 
>> John Gregg
>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 04:41:42 PM EDT, Sara Mattes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> GOP response?
>>> Arm all teachers.
>>> 
>>> NRA?   
>>> Act of lone madman.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 25, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Linda McMillan  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I totally agree. The Republican Senators should be ashamed. They have been 
>> stonewalling gun reform legislation because they are beholden to the gun 
>> lobby. Power and money is what they are about. This week, the Governor of 
>> Texas (Greg Abbot), Ted Cruz, and Trump will be speaking at the National 
>> Rifle Association annual conference. How do they get up in the morning and 
>> face their conscience.  Will they edit their planned remarks I wonder?
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2022, at 11:02 AM, dilla tingley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, thankyou Sarah
>>> Unfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation today now that 
>>> the far right feels they need them to overthrow our government.  .  Dilla
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Good Evening,
>>> 
>>> I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.  The 
>>> guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would be 
>>> horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun violence.  
>>> When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time to reload. 
>>>  Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say you Justices 
>>> of the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent proponents?  The 2nd 
>>> Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns available today that 
>>> are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A well regulated  militia, 
>>> being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to 
>>> keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We have gone so far beyond 
>>> that original intent that we are all complicit at some level for the 
>>> ongoing violence here.  I say, let us protest.  Let us march.  Let us 
>>> insist that Congress, state legislatures and the Supreme Court act - now... 
>>>  We must speak out.
>>> 
>>> I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be 
>>> touched by this horrendous tragedy.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.  Sarah
>>> -- 
>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list.
>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.
>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/.
>>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.
>>> Change your subscription settings at 
>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.
>>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-25 Thread Sara Mattes 
Excuse me-hope and prayers have gotten us nowhere!
The bloodshed continues.

Of course we are distraught and pray that we can move BEYOND hope and prayers 
to action that might, just might have a chance of stopping the bloodshed.

I can balance sorrow and rage at the same time.

--
Sara Mattes




> On May 25, 2022, at 6:29 PM, john gregg  wrote:
> 
> 
> On a day of mourning instead of praising the people who saved lives like the 
> border patrol officer who killed the shooter, or security officer on the 
> grounds who also stopped more deaths and praying (we need more praying and 
> faith for good in this world) for those who lost family members, children, to 
> the selfish act of one person it has become an attack on those with whom this 
> community does not like or even heaven forbid disagree with. 
> 
> It has also become a crisis of which people can push their agenda, that is 
> this community, not pray for the lives lost and have silence to remember that 
> any violence should never be tolerated. Nope, as Rahm Emmanuel famously was 
> quoted.“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean 
> by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do 
> before.”
> ― Rahm Emanuel
> 
> My thoughts go to the survivors and families who lost people they loved to 
> early and that the good people in this country can come together and help to 
> find solutions to the many issues we have in front of us regarding violence 
> and lives lost on a daily basis. This should be a case in point to bring a 
> people together to have civil conversations and not cast stones from Ivory 
> Towers.
> 
> John Gregg
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 04:41:42 PM EDT, Sara Mattes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> GOP response?
> Arm all teachers.
> 
> NRA?   
> Act of lone madman.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sara Mattes
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Linda McMillan > > wrote:
>> 
> 
> I totally agree. The Republican Senators should be ashamed. They have been 
> stonewalling gun reform legislation because they are beholden to the gun 
> lobby. Power and money is what they are about. This week, the Governor of 
> Texas (Greg Abbot), Ted Cruz, and Trump will be speaking at the National 
> Rifle Association annual conference. How do they get up in the morning and 
> face their conscience.  Will they edit their planned remarks I wonder?
> 
>> On May 25, 2022, at 11:02 AM, dilla tingley > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, thankyou Sarah
>> Unfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation today now that 
>> the far right feels they need them to overthrow our government.  .  Dilla
>> 
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden 
>> mailto:sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Good Evening,
>> 
>> I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.  The 
>> guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would be 
>> horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun violence.  
>> When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time to reload.  
>> Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say you Justices of 
>> the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent proponents?  The 2nd 
>> Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns available today that 
>> are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A well regulated  militia, 
>> being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to 
>> keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We have gone so far beyond 
>> that original intent that we are all complicit at some level for the ongoing 
>> violence here.  I say, let us protest.  Let us march.  Let us insist that 
>> Congress, state legislatures and the Supreme Court act - now...  We must 
>> speak out.
>> 
>> I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be 
>> touched by this horrendous tragedy.
>> 
>> Thank you.  Sarah
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent- clarification of response....and, now this....

2022-05-25 Thread Sara Mattes 
Smith & Wesson shares spike after Texas shooting

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> On May 25, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
> 
> Apparently at least one reader misunderstood my comments.
> They were cynical predictions of the anticipated responses from the entities 
> named, not my advocacy of anything!
> 
> And, in fact, within the last hour, those are exactly the responses from both 
> the GOP and the NRA.
> 
> My own advocacy would be for sweeping reform-banning assault weapons, banning 
> high-capacity magazines, comprehensive background checks with a long waiting 
> period, etc.etc.
> A girl can dream.
> 
> Sara
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Sara Mattes > > wrote:
>> 
>> GOP response?
>> Arm all teachers.
>> 
>> NRA?   
>> Act of lone madman.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Linda McMillan >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I totally agree. The Republican Senators should be ashamed. They have been 
>>> stonewalling gun reform legislation because they are beholden to the gun 
>>> lobby. Power and money is what they are about. This week, the Governor of 
>>> Texas (Greg Abbot), Ted Cruz, and Trump will be speaking at the National 
>>> Rifle Association annual conference. How do they get up in the morning and 
>>> face their conscience.  Will they edit their planned remarks I wonder?
>>> 
 On May 25, 2022, at 11:02 AM, dilla tingley >>> > wrote:
 
 Yes, thankyou Sarah
 Unfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation today now 
 that the far right feels they need them to overthrow our government.  . 
  Dilla
 
 On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden 
 mailto:sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Good Evening,
 
 I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.  
 The guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution 
 would be horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun 
 violence.  When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take 
 time to reload.  Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What 
 say you Justices of the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent 
 proponents?  The 2nd Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns 
 available today that are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A 
 well regulated  militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, 
 the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  
 We have gone so far beyond that original intent that we are all complicit 
 at some level for the ongoing violence here.  I say, let us protest.  Let 
 us march.  Let us insist that Congress, state legislatures and the Supreme 
 Court act - now...  We must speak out.
 
 I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be 
 touched by this horrendous tragedy.
 
 Thank you.  Sarah
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent- clarification of response.

2022-05-25 Thread Sara Mattes 
Apparently at least one reader misunderstood my comments.
They were cynical predictions of the anticipated responses from the entities 
named, not my advocacy of anything!

And, in fact, within the last hour, those are exactly the responses from both 
the GOP and the NRA.

My own advocacy would be for sweeping reform-banning assault weapons, banning 
high-capacity magazines, comprehensive background checks with a long waiting 
period, etc.etc.
A girl can dream.

Sara




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> On May 25, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
> 
> GOP response?
> Arm all teachers.
> 
> NRA?   
> Act of lone madman.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sara Mattes
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Linda McMillan > > wrote:
>> 
>> I totally agree. The Republican Senators should be ashamed. They have been 
>> stonewalling gun reform legislation because they are beholden to the gun 
>> lobby. Power and money is what they are about. This week, the Governor of 
>> Texas (Greg Abbot), Ted Cruz, and Trump will be speaking at the National 
>> Rifle Association annual conference. How do they get up in the morning and 
>> face their conscience.  Will they edit their planned remarks I wonder?
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2022, at 11:02 AM, dilla tingley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, thankyou Sarah
>>> Unfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation today now that 
>>> the far right feels they need them to overthrow our government.  .  Dilla
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden 
>>> mailto:sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Good Evening,
>>> 
>>> I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.  The 
>>> guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would be 
>>> horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun violence.  
>>> When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time to reload. 
>>>  Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say you Justices 
>>> of the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent proponents?  The 2nd 
>>> Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns available today that 
>>> are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A well regulated  militia, 
>>> being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to 
>>> keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We have gone so far beyond 
>>> that original intent that we are all complicit at some level for the 
>>> ongoing violence here.  I say, let us protest.  Let us march.  Let us 
>>> insist that Congress, state legislatures and the Supreme Court act - now... 
>>>  We must speak out.
>>> 
>>> I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be 
>>> touched by this horrendous tragedy.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.  Sarah
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-25 Thread Sara Mattes 
GOP response?
Arm all teachers.

NRA?   
Act of lone madman.



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> On May 25, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Linda McMillan  wrote:
> 
> I totally agree. The Republican Senators should be ashamed. They have been 
> stonewalling gun reform legislation because they are beholden to the gun 
> lobby. Power and money is what they are about. This week, the Governor of 
> Texas (Greg Abbot), Ted Cruz, and Trump will be speaking at the National 
> Rifle Association annual conference. How do they get up in the morning and 
> face their conscience.  Will they edit their planned remarks I wonder?
> 
>> On May 25, 2022, at 11:02 AM, dilla tingley > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, thankyou Sarah
>> Unfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation today now that 
>> the far right feels they need them to overthrow our government.  .  Dilla
>> 
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden 
>> mailto:sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Good Evening,
>> 
>> I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.  The 
>> guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would be 
>> horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun violence.  
>> When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time to reload.  
>> Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say you Justices of 
>> the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent proponents?  The 2nd 
>> Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns available today that 
>> are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A well regulated  militia, 
>> being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to 
>> keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We have gone so far beyond 
>> that original intent that we are all complicit at some level for the ongoing 
>> violence here.  I say, let us protest.  Let us march.  Let us insist that 
>> Congress, state legislatures and the Supreme Court act - now...  We must 
>> speak out.
>> 
>> I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be 
>> touched by this horrendous tragedy.
>> 
>> Thank you.  Sarah
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-25 Thread Linda McMillan 
I totally agree. The Republican Senators should be ashamed. They have been 
stonewalling gun reform legislation because they are beholden to the gun lobby. 
Power and money is what they are about. This week, the Governor of Texas (Greg 
Abbot), Ted Cruz, and Trump will be speaking at the National Rifle Association 
annual conference. How do they get up in the morning and face their conscience. 
 Will they edit their planned remarks I wonder?

> On May 25, 2022, at 11:02 AM, dilla tingley  wrote:
> 
> Yes, thankyou Sarah
> Unfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation today now that 
> the far right feels they need them to overthrow our government.  .  Dilla
> 
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden 
> mailto:sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Good Evening,
> 
> I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.  The 
> guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would be 
> horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun violence.  
> When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time to reload.  
> Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say you Justices of 
> the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent proponents?  The 2nd 
> Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns available today that 
> are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A well regulated  militia, 
> being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to 
> keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We have gone so far beyond that 
> original intent that we are all complicit at some level for the ongoing 
> violence here.  I say, let us protest.  Let us march.  Let us insist that 
> Congress, state legislatures and the Supreme Court act - now...  We must 
> speak out.
> 
> I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be 
> touched by this horrendous tragedy.
> 
> Thank you.  Sarah
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-25 Thread dilla tingley 
Yes, thankyou Sarah
Unfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation today now that
the far right feels they need them to overthrow our government.  .
Dilla

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden <
sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good Evening,
>
> I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.
> The guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would
> be horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun
> violence.  When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time
> to reload.  Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say
> you Justices of the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent
> proponents?  The 2nd Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns
> available today that are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A *well
> regulated * militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
> right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We
> have gone so far beyond that original intent that we are all complicit at
> some level for the ongoing violence here.  I say, let us protest.  Let us
> march.  Let us insist that Congress, state legislatures and the Supreme
> Court act - now...  We must speak out.
>
> I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be
> touched by this horrendous tragedy.
>
> Thank you.  Sarah
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-24 Thread Sonja Johansson 
Well said, Sarah.
Sonja Johansson

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden <
sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good Evening,
>
> I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.
> The guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would
> be horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun
> violence.  When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time
> to reload.  Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say
> you Justices of the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent
> proponents?  The 2nd Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns
> available today that are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A *well
> regulated * militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
> right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We
> have gone so far beyond that original intent that we are all complicit at
> some level for the ongoing violence here.  I say, let us protest.  Let us
> march.  Let us insist that Congress, state legislatures and the Supreme
> Court act - now...  We must speak out.
>
> I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be
> touched by this horrendous tragedy.
>
> Thank you.  Sarah
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[LincolnTalk] Original Intent

2022-05-24 Thread sarah cannon holden 
Good Evening,

I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.  The
guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would be
horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun violence.
When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time to
reload.  Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say you
Justices of the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent proponents?
The 2nd Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns available
today that are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A *well
regulated * militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We
have gone so far beyond that original intent that we are all complicit at
some level for the ongoing violence here.  I say, let us protest.  Let us
march.  Let us insist that Congress, state legislatures and the Supreme
Court act - now...  We must speak out.

I pray for the 14 children, their teacher - and all the lives that will be
touched by this horrendous tragedy.

Thank you.  Sarah
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