Re: New User Linux on z10 question

2011-04-07 Thread David Boyes
 Yes you can have 12 LPARs sharing a single IFL.  Whether it works very
 well
 is an It Depends.

Well put. I'd pose it as: 

With VM: can be handled by part of one person, part time dynamically with rare 
purchases of real resources. Changes are seldom disruptive.
 
Without VM: requires intervention of software *and* hardware team and purchase 
of real resources for every increase in workload. 

Which do they want to do? 


Somehow they always pick with VM. 8-)

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Re: New User Linux on z10 question

2011-04-07 Thread Hughes, Jim
How do you spell Least expensive path?


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Subject: Re: New User Linux on z10 question

 Yes you can have 12 LPARs sharing a single IFL.  Whether it works very
 well
 is an It Depends.

Well put. I'd pose it as: 

With VM: can be handled by part of one person, part time dynamically
with rare purchases of real resources. Changes are seldom disruptive.
 
Without VM: requires intervention of software *and* hardware team and
purchase of real resources for every increase in workload. 

Which do they want to do? 


Somehow they always pick with VM. 8-)

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Re: Backing up SLES 11 SP1 and Oracle

2011-04-07 Thread David Boyes
 My available tape drives are IBM 3480 (yes, you read that correctly!).

With drives that small, you're better off backing up to disk (if you have it) 
and using an alternate method to back up over the network. At 180M per tape, 
you'll be doing this forever.

 I am looking for advice on which software package(s) I need on SLES 11
 SP 1 to be able to detect, and back up to, my 3480's.  Total data,
 right now, would be 10 - 12 GB (the oracle DB has not yet been
 populated).

Install a Bacula server on one of your distributed hosts that has access to 
larger capacity tapes and install the Bacula client on this LPAR. Much easier.
 
If you must do the backups from here, Bacula server and client can deal with 
3480s directly on the Linux LPAR. Make sure that the tapes are moved over, then 
activate them by echo 1  the appropriate device address node in /proc. Echo 
0 to the device node when you take them away. 

 Anyone know if Oracle can 'back up' to these drives?  Or do I need to
 have Oracle back up to disk first, and then back that data up to the
 3480?  I'm having trouble finding this info int he Oracle manuals.  And
 if Oracle backs up to disk, such as an lvm, can I back that up
 directly, or is there something else I need to do, first.

RMAN to disk works fine (in your case, NFS mounting a chunk of disk on another 
host would be smartest). You probably could do it directly to tape, but Linux 
and multivolume tape is not straightforward, and RMAN doesn't cope very well 
with it. 

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Problm running automated update for SLES11

2011-04-07 Thread Tobias Doerkes
Hi all,

i am playing around with the Automated Upgrade from SUSE Linux Enterprise 
Server 10 SP3 to 11 SP1. I suppose some of you already got it up and running. 
i am struggling to get to installation image ipled.

The same image is used without any problems for SLES 11 SP1 installation.

Has someone seen this before?

Loading Installation System (101632 kB) -   0%  1%  2%  3%  
4%  5%  6%  7%  8%  9% 10% 11% 12% 13%  
   14% 15% 16% 17% 18% 19% 20% 21% 22% 23%  
   24% 25% 26% 27% 28% 29% 30% 31% 32% 33%  
   34% 35% 36% 37% 38% 39% 40% 41% 42% 43%  
   44% 45% 46% 47% 48% 49% 50% 51% 52% 53%  
   54% 55% 56% 57% 58% 59% 60% 61% 62% 63%  
   64% 65% 66% 67% 68% 69% 70% 71% 72% 73%  
   74% 75% 76% 77% 78% 79% 80% 81% 82% 83%  
   84% 85% 86% 87% 88% 89% 90% 91% 92% 93%  
   94% 95% 96% 97% 98% 99%100%  
udevd¬35|: do not reference parent sysfs directories directly, that may break wi
th a future kernel, 
please fix it in /etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules:27   

*** An error occurred during the installation.  

Main Menu   

1) Start Installation   
2) Settings 
3) Expert   
4) Exit or Reboot   

   

Any help appreciated.

Kind regards,
Tobias Doerkes.
  
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Re: New User Linux on z10 question

2011-04-07 Thread David Boyes
 How do you spell Least expensive path?

People: (N * (salary + 33% avg benefits, repeating for the life of the job)) 
increasing over the increase in workload on top of hardware costs.
 
ZVM: (proportional to workload increase), can be planned in advance with 
justification, relatively static personnel costs. 

Do the math. z/VM almost always comes out cheaper. 

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Re: Backing up SLES 11 SP1 and Oracle

2011-04-07 Thread David Stuart
Thanks David, 

More research...  


Dave 





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david.stu...@ventura.org David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net 4/7/2011 6:49 
AM 
 My available tape drives are IBM 3480 (yes, you read that correctly!).

With drives that small, you're better off backing up to disk (if you have it) 
and using an alternate method to back up over the network. At 180M per tape, 
you'll be doing this forever.

 I am looking for advice on which software package(s) I need on SLES 11
 SP 1 to be able to detect, and back up to, my 3480's.  Total data,
 right now, would be 10 - 12 GB (the oracle DB has not yet been
 populated).

Install a Bacula server on one of your distributed hosts that has access to 
larger capacity tapes and install the Bacula client on this LPAR. Much easier.
 
If you must do the backups from here, Bacula server and client can deal with 
3480s directly on the Linux LPAR. Make sure that the tapes are moved over, then 
activate them by echo 1  the appropriate device address node in /proc. Echo 
0 to the device node when you take them away. 

 Anyone know if Oracle can 'back up' to these drives?  Or do I need to
 have Oracle back up to disk first, and then back that data up to the
 3480?  I'm having trouble finding this info int he Oracle manuals.  And
 if Oracle backs up to disk, such as an lvm, can I back that up
 directly, or is there something else I need to do, first.

RMAN to disk works fine (in your case, NFS mounting a chunk of disk on another 
host would be smartest). You probably could do it directly to tape, but Linux 
and multivolume tape is not straightforward, and RMAN doesn't cope very well 
with it. 

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Re: read-only

2011-04-07 Thread Carsten Otte
 We are using multipath daemon Carsten...

The configuration looks good to me. And you're mounting /dev/mapper/*, and
you see those filesystems
remounted readonly after recovery? I sense a great disturbance in the
Force. If that is so, I think it's about
time to think about opening a service request.

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Re: New User Linux on z10 question

2011-04-07 Thread Carsten Otte
 While 12 LPARs can share one IFL they cannot share any memory. Each LPAR
must have its own dedicated memory. That's the main reason to run z/VM, to
share memory. When
 I asked why Xen did not support System z, I was told that they didn't see
any point in competing with z/VM.

Xen is architecture dependend code all the way through. I know it also runs
on Power, but the only commonality
between Power and x86 is probably the printk routine...

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Re: Problm running automated update for SLES11

2011-04-07 Thread Mark Post
 On 4/7/2011 at 10:31 AM, Tobias Doerkes tdoer...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 Hi all,
 
 i am playing around with the Automated Upgrade from SUSE Linux Enterprise 
 Server 10 SP3 to 11 SP1. I suppose some of you already got it up and 
 running. i am struggling to get to installation image ipled.
 
 The same image is used without any problems for SLES 11 SP1 installation.
 
 Has someone seen this before?
 
 Loading Installation System (101632 kB) -   0%  1%  2%  
 3%  

This looks like the SLES10 installation initrd, not SLES11 or SLES11 SP1.  When 
the IPL process starts, what version of the kernel is shown?


Mark Post

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Linux, VSWITCH, and??

2011-04-07 Thread Hughes, Jim
Here is our NICDEF statement in our Linux machine.
NICDEF BC0 TYPE QDIO DEV 3 LAN SYSTEM VSWZVM01

Here is our RedHat Parm statements related to networking. When Redhat
starts up, it is asking us for a portname.  Color us confused.

NETTYPE=eth NETWORK=172.16.32.0
CHANDEV=eth0,0xBC0,0xBC1,0xBC2

Thanks for your patience.
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Re: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

2011-04-07 Thread Justin Payne

Do you mean your conf file, and not parm?

I've always used the following in my parms:

NETTYPE=qeth

Never used CHANDEV myself. I used SUBCHANNELS:

SUBCHANNELS=0.0.0600,0.0.0601,0.0.0602

On 04/07/2011 02:25 PM, Hughes, Jim wrote:

Here is our NICDEF statement in our Linux machine.
NICDEF BC0 TYPE QDIO DEV 3 LAN SYSTEM VSWZVM01

Here is our RedHat Parm statements related to networking. When Redhat
starts up, it is asking us for a portname.  Color us confused.

NETTYPE=eth NETWORK=172.16.32.0
CHANDEV=eth0,0xBC0,0xBC1,0xBC2

Thanks for your patience.
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Re: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

2011-04-07 Thread Gary Detro
I think the chandev.conf file was used in older version of SuSE (maybe 7
or 8).   But went away with later versions.


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To:
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Date:
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Subject:
Re: Linux, VSWITCH, and??
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Do you mean your conf file, and not parm?

I've always used the following in my parms:

NETTYPE=qeth

Never used CHANDEV myself. I used SUBCHANNELS:

SUBCHANNELS=0.0.0600,0.0.0601,0.0.0602

On 04/07/2011 02:25 PM, Hughes, Jim wrote:
 Here is our NICDEF statement in our Linux machine.
 NICDEF BC0 TYPE QDIO DEV 3 LAN SYSTEM VSWZVM01

 Here is our RedHat Parm statements related to networking. When Redhat
 starts up, it is asking us for a portname.  Color us confused.

 NETTYPE=eth NETWORK=172.16.32.0
 CHANDEV=eth0,0xBC0,0xBC1,0xBC2

 Thanks for your patience.
 ___
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Re: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

2011-04-07 Thread Frankovich, Bob
I'm pretty sure PORTNAME is optional (at least in RHEL 5).  My CONF has 
PORTNAME=   in it


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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
Hughes, Jim
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:25 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

Here is our NICDEF statement in our Linux machine.
NICDEF BC0 TYPE QDIO DEV 3 LAN SYSTEM VSWZVM01

Here is our RedHat Parm statements related to networking. When Redhat
starts up, it is asking us for a portname.  Color us confused.

NETTYPE=eth NETWORK=172.16.32.0
CHANDEV=eth0,0xBC0,0xBC1,0xBC2

Thanks for your patience.
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Re: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

2011-04-07 Thread Hughes, Jim
Would someone share their Network related PARM statements with us?  We
are connecting the Linux machine to the VSWITCH used by the rest of the
tcpip stacks on the z/vm system.


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Subject: Re: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

I'm pretty sure PORTNAME is optional (at least in RHEL 5).  My CONF has 
PORTNAME=   in it


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Hughes, Jim
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:25 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

Here is our NICDEF statement in our Linux machine.
NICDEF BC0 TYPE QDIO DEV 3 LAN SYSTEM VSWZVM01

Here is our RedHat Parm statements related to networking. When Redhat
starts up, it is asking us for a portname.  Color us confused.

NETTYPE=eth NETWORK=172.16.32.0
CHANDEV=eth0,0xBC0,0xBC1,0xBC2

Thanks for your patience.
___
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Re: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

2011-04-07 Thread Justin Payne

Jim,

Here you go:

DASD=100-101,200
HOSTNAME=z06.z900.redhat.com
NETTYPE=qeth
IPADDR=192.168.5.56
SUBCHANNELS=0.0.0600,0.0.0601,0.0.0602
NETWORK=192.168.5.0
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
SEARCHDNS=z900.redhat.com:rdu.redhat.com
BROADCAST=192.168.5.255
GATEWAY=192.168.5.254
DNS=172.16.52.28:10.11.255.27
MTU=1500
PORTNAME=UNASSIGNED
LAYER2=0


On 04/07/2011 03:11 PM, Hughes, Jim wrote:

Would someone share their Network related PARM statements with us?  We
are connecting the Linux machine to the VSWITCH used by the rest of the
tcpip stacks on the z/vm system.


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Frankovich, Bob
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:43 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

I'm pretty sure PORTNAME is optional (at least in RHEL 5).  My CONF has
PORTNAME=   in it


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Hughes, Jim
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:25 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

Here is our NICDEF statement in our Linux machine.
NICDEF BC0 TYPE QDIO DEV 3 LAN SYSTEM VSWZVM01

Here is our RedHat Parm statements related to networking. When Redhat
starts up, it is asking us for a portname.  Color us confused.

NETTYPE=eth NETWORK=172.16.32.0
CHANDEV=eth0,0xBC0,0xBC1,0xBC2

Thanks for your patience.
___
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Re: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

2011-04-07 Thread Justin Payne

Jim,

Sorry about the previous email. I must clarify that we always use a parm
file and a conf file. Here is my parm file:

ramdisk_size=4 root=/dev/ram0 ro ip=off
CMSDASD=191 CMSCONFFILE=GSS6.conf
vnc


And here is my GSS6.conf file:

DASD=100-102
HOSTNAME=z06.z900.redhat.com
NETTYPE=qeth
IPADDR=192.168.5.56
SUBCHANNELS=0.0.0600,0.0.0601,0.0.0602
NETWORK=192.168.5.0
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
SEARCHDNS=z900.redhat.com:rdu.redhat.com
BROADCAST=192.168.5.255
GATEWAY=192.168.5.254
DNS=172.16.52.28:10.11.255.27
MTU=1500
PORTNAME=UNASSIGN
LAYER2=0
PORTNO=0

Here is my vswitch definition:

NICDEF 600 TYPE QDIO LAN SYSTEM VSW1

Thanks,
Justin

On 04/07/2011 03:11 PM, Hughes, Jim wrote:

Would someone share their Network related PARM statements with us?  We
are connecting the Linux machine to the VSWITCH used by the rest of the
tcpip stacks on the z/vm system.


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-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
Frankovich, Bob
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:43 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

I'm pretty sure PORTNAME is optional (at least in RHEL 5).  My CONF has
PORTNAME=   in it


-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
Hughes, Jim
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:25 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Linux, VSWITCH, and??

Here is our NICDEF statement in our Linux machine.
NICDEF BC0 TYPE QDIO DEV 3 LAN SYSTEM VSWZVM01

Here is our RedHat Parm statements related to networking. When Redhat
starts up, it is asking us for a portname.  Color us confused.

NETTYPE=eth NETWORK=172.16.32.0
CHANDEV=eth0,0xBC0,0xBC1,0xBC2

Thanks for your patience.
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Re: read-only

2011-04-07 Thread Richard Troth
If you're trying to use coalesced SAN volumes (and I believe you said
that you are), then you want to INclude block devices under
/dev/mapper and EXclude the rest.  Something like ...

filter = [ a|/dev/mapper/.*|, r|.*| ]

Someone should confirm that I have the syntax correct.  I can never
remember regex.  :-SIn a prior life, I used something like it with
consistent success.

Alternatively, this should work, but requires that the disk ID logic
presents the coalesced DM devices and not the individual paths ...

filter = [ a|/dev/disk/by-id/.*|, r|.*| ]

If the coalesced -vs- path req is met, then the latter may be more to
your liking.

-- R;   
Rick Troth
Velocity Software
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