zLinux backup solutions

2016-11-09 Thread Neal Scheffler
To get a clean backup of our zLinux servers we currently shutdown the
zLinux server and do full volume backups of its disks.

Is there some other method / product available that we could use to get a
clean backup without having to take an outage on the zLinux server?

Thanks,
Neal

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Re: zLinux backup solutions

2016-11-09 Thread Scott Rohling
Yes - a logical backup solution --   TSM is an IBM solutionyou need
a backup client which can read your filesystems and send them to a server
for archiving/retrieval  

A physical backup of the hard drives will always require a quiesced system
for a clean backup.

Scott Rohling

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Neal Scheffler  wrote:

> To get a clean backup of our zLinux servers we currently shutdown the
> zLinux server and do full volume backups of its disks.
>
> Is there some other method / product available that we could use to get a
> clean backup without having to take an outage on the zLinux server?
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
>
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Re: zLinux backup solutions

2016-11-09 Thread Scott Rohling
I should have added that we will do a physical backup of zLinux in some
cases without quiescing - but it is always supplemented with a logical
backup..   The physical restore will normally give you a working zLinux ...
 any corrupted/missing/changed files can be restored via the logical backup
to bring things 'up to date'.

Scott Rohling

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Scott Rohling 
wrote:

> Yes - a logical backup solution --   TSM is an IBM solutionyou
> need a backup client which can read your filesystems and send them to a
> server for archiving/retrieval  
>
> A physical backup of the hard drives will always require a quiesced system
> for a clean backup.
>
> Scott Rohling
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Neal Scheffler  wrote:
>
>> To get a clean backup of our zLinux servers we currently shutdown the
>> zLinux server and do full volume backups of its disks.
>>
>> Is there some other method / product available that we could use to get a
>> clean backup without having to take an outage on the zLinux server?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Neal
>>
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Re: zLinux backup solutions

2016-11-09 Thread Steffen Maier
[disclaimer: FCP rather than FICON point of view assumed in the 
following so there might be differences]


If your workload could live with an atomically consistent but "dirty" 
disk content, you could use online block device snapshot technologies. 
Maybe inside Linux with LVM snapshot. Storage servers can also do this 
for you without Linux CPU cycles and even more so they can support 
snapshot consistency groups which you need if some filesystem (or raw 
RDBMS table space) spans multiple volumes (such as with LVM striping).


There might be backup software solutions exploiting above, but that's 
beyond my knowledge.


On restarting your workload (such as Linux boot) after a restore of such 
snapshot content, the workload will see some consistent atomic disk 
content, but the content is not clean as in closed application files or 
as in unmounted filesystems. So the application/filesystem (or whatever 
read/writes from/to disks) needs to cope with that, e.g. by replaying a 
journal.


I suppose if you not only collect disk snapshots but before doing so 
suspend the Linux to disk (potentially with hypervisor support), you 
could resume such Linux with those disk snapshots and apps/fs would not 
even notice (because they slept and then wake up with the old state as 
if nothing happened inbetween). Suspending is of course already some 
kind of disruption or temporary outage taking some time as opposed to 
what I mentioned above.


On 11/09/2016 06:42 PM, Scott Rohling wrote:

I should have added that we will do a physical backup of zLinux in some
cases without quiescing - but it is always supplemented with a logical
backup..   The physical restore will normally give you a working zLinux ...
 any corrupted/missing/changed files can be restored via the logical backup
to bring things 'up to date'.

Scott Rohling

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Scott Rohling 
wrote:


Yes - a logical backup solution --   TSM is an IBM solutionyou
need a backup client which can read your filesystems and send them to a
server for archiving/retrieval  

A physical backup of the hard drives will always require a quiesced system
for a clean backup.

Scott Rohling

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Neal Scheffler  wrote:


To get a clean backup of our zLinux servers we currently shutdown the
zLinux server and do full volume backups of its disks.

Is there some other method / product available that we could use to get a
clean backup without having to take an outage on the zLinux server?

Thanks,
Neal



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Re: zLinux backup solutions

2016-11-09 Thread Marcy Cortes
There are other vendors as well
Symantec Netbackup
Innovation Data Processings FDR product.

Perhaps you can use the same thing as what is used with your x86 servers?

There may be more.


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Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] zLinux backup solutions

Yes - a logical backup solution --   TSM is an IBM solutionyou need
a backup client which can read your filesystems and send them to a server for 
archiving/retrieval  

A physical backup of the hard drives will always require a quiesced system for 
a clean backup.

Scott Rohling

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Neal Scheffler  wrote:

> To get a clean backup of our zLinux servers we currently shutdown the 
> zLinux server and do full volume backups of its disks.
>
> Is there some other method / product available that we could use to 
> get a clean backup without having to take an outage on the zLinux server?
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
>
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Linux on z Systems: new documentation for SLES12 SP2

2016-11-09 Thread Dorothea Matthaeus




The following Linux on z Systems publications for SUSE Linux Enterprise
Sever 12 SP2 are now available at IBM Knowledge Center and developerWorks:

http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/linuxonibm/liaaf/lnz_r_s122.html
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/linux390/documentation_suse.html




This document describes the device drivers available to SUSE Linux
Enterprise Server 12 SP2 as a KVM guest for the control of z Systems
devices and attachments.
It also provides information on commands and parameters relevant to
configuring Linux on z Systems as a KVM guest.


This publication describes the device drivers and features available to
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 SP2 for the control of z Systems devices
and attachments.
It also provides information on commands and parameters relevant to
configuring Linux on z Systems.


This message reference document contains the messages that IBM z Systems
specific kernel modules issue on the console and write to the syslog.






Dorothea Matthaeus
Linux on z Systems Information Development
IBM Deutschland Research and Development GmbH


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