Re: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce the entry level cost for Linux on Z?
I FIND THIS DISCUSSION TROUBLING. It will not likely ever affect me of my installation, has we haven't (and unfortunately are not likely to) used zLinux and Z/VM. But, is the z/OS MIPS/MSU pricing model (IMO, one of the major drags on the platform) really being extended into this arena. > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of > David Boyes > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 11:07 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce > the entry level cost for Linux on Z? > > Given that IBM is now allowing 3rd party vendors to use the SCRT processing > infrastructure to collect usage data, the thought occurred to me: could this > be used to do usage-based pricing for Linux and Linux-based applications? > Some mapping of Linux features/functions to SMF type 70 and 89 records > would have to be done, and the various distributors would need to register > application types, but all the other infrastructure is there and the usage > data > reporting piece already exists for Linux (it's a Java app). > > > > The idea here is that if the distributors could get accurate usage data, they > could offer usage-based pricing, which would lower the entry level for > getting started with Linux on Z and avoid some of the sticker shock. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 > or visit > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http- > 3A__www.marist.edu_htbin_wlvindex-3FLINUX- > 2D390=DwIGaQ=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQb- > Je7sw=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w=SR7LQpnyDBjYGjTye0BPguO45lA > V8a33Cvq2BCEgJF8=26_h4XZw2Jz5zF5YAXnL9oWnZZW8QGjW_g5REqzZIV > w= > > -- > > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http- > 3A__wiki.linuxvm.org_=DwIGaQ=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8L > drrvxQb- > Je7sw=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w=SR7LQpnyDBjYGjTye0BPguO45lA > V8a33Cvq2BCEgJF8=cnNnWeCd2jXKq-6r8v6xIfG5Bwkml- > gQWCEpt3TnTzM= -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: MQ on zLinux authenticated to AD?
Please don't go private on this, there may be (are) others interested. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Moeur Tim C Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:03 AM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: MQ on zLinux authenticated to AD? Sure, I'll contact you offline and spare the forum the gory details. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Stewart Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:31 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: MQ on zLinux authenticated to AD? If you don't mind, could you share your steps? We had a customer that tried a year+ ago and their experience wasn't pretty... Thanks, Lee On 4/9/2010 12:16 PM, Moeur Tim C wrote: I am in the process of rolling that out. I've done it successfully on a proof-of-concept machine several months ago, and I'm now replicating those steps to deploy a test machine that my real users will hit. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Stewart Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:22 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: MQ on zLinux authenticated to AD? Is anyone running MQ on Linux on Z, but getting it to authenticate against Windows Active Directory? If so, how? Lee -- Lee Stewart, Senior SE Sirius Computer Solutions Phone: (303) 996-7122 Email: lee.stew...@siriuscom.com Web: www.siriuscom.com - - For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 - - For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Lee Stewart, Senior SE Sirius Computer Solutions Phone: (303) 996-7122 Email: lee.stew...@siriuscom.com Web: www.siriuscom.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: FTP/TLS from zOS problems
Set up gsktrace on z/OS and find the exect error. Search the archives on IBMTCP-L or IBM-MAIN Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Donald Russell Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:54 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: FTP/TLS from zOS problems Well, the 234 is just the response after the client sent AUTH TLS instead of a userid. But, a search for ftp auth tls error codes lead me to this IBM manual... Communications Server IP User's Guide and Commands which listed the error codes... 17FTP_AUTHENTICATION Security authentication or negotiation failure, incorrect specification of security keywords. Sounds interesting, but doesn't offer many clues... sounds like the problem could be in the SYSFTPD DD statements... Is something misconfigured? On the client? On the server? Is the certificate bad? (Same cert is acceptable to a web browser for https connections, though I do have to click past a warning when using IE) I'm leaning toward MVS no longer trusts my cert, or doesn't trust who signed the cert... That lead me to adding CLIENTERRCODES EXTENDED to those control statements. FTP now exits with an RC of 1710 instead of 10234... Much better :-) 17 means the same as above, 10 means OPEN... hmmm Well, I'll keep digging. Cheers On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 09:08, Stewart Thomas J stewartthom...@johndeere.com wrote: If I remember correctly, what you want to do is search for FTP client reply code 234 on a web search engine. I think you need to break this into mmnnn, where mm is a command code and nnn is the FTP client reply code. Most of these are standard codes, so 234 is documented in the RFC for the AUTH TLS FTP subcommand. Tom Stewart Mainframe OS, Networking Security www.johndeere.com -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Donald Russell Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:57 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: FTP/TLS from zOS problems When I try to use FTPS from zOS to RHEL zLinux I get these messages after connecting: 220 (vsFTPd 2.0.5) AUTH TLS 234 Proceed with negotiation. Authentication negotiation failed Unable to successfully negotiate required authentication Std Return Code = 10234, Error Code = 00017 FTP Complete: RC = 10234 Where can I find the meanings of these error codes? The puzzling thing for me right now is this USED to work... I'd get Authentication successful, and the transfer would continue with no problems. Anyway, tracking down the root cause of the failure will probably help. :-) Thanks - - For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 - - For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IBM Solutions Edition for Enterprise Linux
This is not helpful when facing the some of these systems are 30 or 40 years old and IBM = lots and lots and LOTS of money mentality. As inaccurate as both of these perceptions might be. Last I heard was you could do an IFL and z/VM plus a zLinux support in the neighborhood of 100K. Which is out of our price range for management mentioned above. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Elliott Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:20 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Solutions Edition for Enterprise Linux I don't see prices in that link, only $CALL. What is a lot? David: IBM rarely publishes System z prices. You really need to contact your IBM System z rep or System z BP to get a number. The price depends on how many IFLs etc. you acquire and on whether it is a z10 BC or z10 EC and whether it is a stand-alone machine or additional IFLs on a machine with CPs. As Marcy said, the prices have come down a lot and the price is even more attractive now. Jim -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
Thanks, I've forwarded this to my boss, as I have many of these notes. We had the Gartner report issued last week. Didn't tell us much we didn't already know, but now its official. On the positive side, we met with our business partner, Mainline, and we may be closer to looking at zVM and IFL loaner agreements. I just really need to finish my z/OS 1.7 to 1.9 upgrade so I have time to look at something new. My work life is a series of interruptions punctuated by short spurts of progress :) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Erik N Johnson Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:19 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? Dave, I would encourage you to contact some folks at NIU about PeopleSoft. We recently migrated from our own in-house solution which we called webconnect to peoplesoft, mostly to facilitate the surplussing of our ESA/390s and it has been ghastly. We have ended up with scores of students forced to delay their graduation. Others have had other problems. My advice: If you go PeopleSoft, get their analysts in a room, lock the door, and beat them with a clue-bat for about 2 weeks before you let them go. Erik Johnson On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Shockley, Gerard C gsh...@bu.edu wrote: Dave, Been running Oracle on Z in prod coming up on 2 years. We can SHARE any experiences with you. Gerard C. Shockley Boston University gsh...@bu.edu 617.353.9898 (w) 617.353.6171 (f) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Dodds, Jim Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:51 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? Dave, As for running Banner and Oracle on Z/Linux you may want to talk to Marist. They are currently working on doing just that. We were hoping to get to work with them on that, because we too think it is a good idea but also here the Administration says we won't be running that on a mainframe. They have told us not to even pursue it. As far as I know Marist is the only one to even attempt it. Every time we asked Banner about it they said they don't support it and no one seems to want it. I am sure that when Marist gets it working, Banner will change their mind and support it. Jim Dodds Systems Programmer Kentucky State University 400 East Main Street Frankfort, Ky 40601 502 597 6114 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:08 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? On 5/11/09 7:33 PM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote: I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of [snip] Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University Well, it would certainly be cool to have WSUVM1 alive again...8-) Well, I pretty sure that's what we'd call it :) Unfortunately, I don't think our heydays of the past hold much with the IBM of today. Of course, I'm not even remotely a holder of purse strings. And the only way I'll be able to sell zVM and zLinux is by showing without any real doubt that it is a cost effective platform to implement potential planned ERP solution(s). And the funding for ERP is likely 2 years out. Our state funding was cut 21% for 2009-2011. After taking about a 10% cut this year. As for academic ventures, WSU's Computer Science department became a program under the College of Engineering quite sometime ago. I'm also suffering under the myth that no one is teaching mainframe anymore. (As an aside, I sorta resent perception. In my day :) you didn't get taught or trained much, we just dam well did the work :) In the few moments I can spare from keeping our z/OS system going and maintained (I'm still running 1.7 in the important LPARs), I need to show that Oracle (database and applications(ERP will likely be Banner or Peoplesoft) runs well on zLinux and that zLinux under zVM is cost effective in a major way over HP or Sun or other Intell farms. By the way, I never intended to imply that we would never buy zVM or additional zHardware and that I wanted to do this on the sly in the long run. I just have some (longish) short term delay. We had to cut out the Watson newsletter and are seriously looking at any way to save some pennies :( We're also very short handed do to the budget and other problems. P.S. It's been awhile Dave, I've often wondered if you were the same Dave
Re: In an LPAR once again?
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:08 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? On 5/11/09 7:33 PM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote: I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of [snip] Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University Well, it would certainly be cool to have WSUVM1 alive again...8-) Well, I pretty sure that's what we'd call it :) Unfortunately, I don't think our heydays of the past hold much with the IBM of today. Of course, I'm not even remotely a holder of purse strings. And the only way I'll be able to sell zVM and zLinux is by showing without any real doubt that it is a cost effective platform to implement potential planned ERP solution(s). And the funding for ERP is likely 2 years out. Our state funding was cut 21% for 2009-2011. After taking about a 10% cut this year. As for academic ventures, WSU's Computer Science department became a program under the College of Engineering quite sometime ago. I'm also suffering under the myth that no one is teaching mainframe anymore. (As an aside, I sorta resent perception. In my day :) you didn't get taught or trained much, we just dam well did the work :) In the few moments I can spare from keeping our z/OS system going and maintained (I'm still running 1.7 in the important LPARs), I need to show that Oracle (database and applications(ERP will likely be Banner or Peoplesoft) runs well on zLinux and that zLinux under zVM is cost effective in a major way over HP or Sun or other Intell farms. By the way, I never intended to imply that we would never buy zVM or additional zHardware and that I wanted to do this on the sly in the long run. I just have some (longish) short term delay. We had to cut out the Watson newsletter and are seriously looking at any way to save some pennies :( We're also very short handed do to the budget and other problems. P.S. It's been awhile Dave, I've often wondered if you were the same Dave Boyes that spent some time here. The 3090's been gone a long time now. Given WSU's historical relationship with IBM, I would suspect that if you asked IBM for a loaner copy of z/VM, one would appear for a long period of time. I think that while you *could* do VM-LPAR, it would probably be less hassle and more productive to try to negotiate a long-term loan. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
In an LPAR once again?
I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of ABSOLUTLY NO MONEY to spend on POC is in place. I've some room on the z9BC-LO3. Just four z/OS lpars and using less than 50% capacity in normal times. I understand that it's all easier with z/VM, but I, see above under absolutely. I just wondered: What if I fire-up a couple LPARs and download/install the zVM trial into one. Then, I can play with zLinux configurations for awhile until I get what we need working (assuming less than the trial time). Once I have experience and a viable configuration, I install it into the other LPAR and let zVM trial expire. I can clone somewhere up to a total of 16 LPARs, prove it works and then justify the IFL and zVM for a proven application workload. Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 4:50 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? Gibney, Dave wrote: I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of ABSOLUTLY NO MONEY to spend on POC is in place. I've some room on the z9BC-LO3. Just four z/OS lpars and using less than 50% capacity in normal times. I understand that it's all easier with z/VM, but I, see above under absolutely. I just wondered: What if I fire-up a couple LPARs and download/install the zVM trial into one. Then, I can play with zLinux configurations for awhile until I get what we need working (assuming less than the trial time). Once I have experience and a viable configuration, I install it into the other LPAR and let zVM trial expire. I can clone somewhere up to a total of 16 LPARs, prove it works and then justify the IFL and zVM for a proven application workload. Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University The z/VM Evaluation Edition is only available for the z10. If you want to evaluate/trial z/VM on a z9 you have use the old school method... call your trusty IBM rep. Well, ok. Assuming I could get a trial :) Would I gain anything by starting zLinux experiments with zVM fully expecting the need to drop the zVM and run in Lpar(s) for some period of time. At least until the next biennial budget cycle? -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Root Password
This may sound really off the wall, but what is ZZSA's opinion of zLinux DASD? Could it be used to zap the root password? Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:34 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Root Password On 2/23/2009 at 1:07 PM, Jack Woehr j...@well.com wrote: -snip- http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/forgot- password-suse-lin ux-10-434891/ And there's also the (easiest) option of booting with init=/bin/bash which lets you become root ... I'm pretty sure that option wasn't available that far back. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Where to begin?
Aside from not having any time to spare :) from my real work. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:26 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Where to begin? On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 7:47 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], bob molerio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I were in your shoes! Lucky guy. There should be very little stopping you from at least doing an evaluation. If you have the minimal hardware resources available, everything else is available for a trial at no cost. SLES is available, with 180 days of maintenance. RHEL is available for (I think) 30 or 60 days. IBM has even installed IFLs and real storage for trials. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: [PATCH 50/59] sysctl: Move utsname sysctls to their own file
Absolutely f*g agreed. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:01 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [PATCH 50/59] sysctl: Move utsname sysctls to their own file Could you guys take this discussion back to LKML, please? I don't think it's directly relevant to Linux on S/390 any longer, and few (if any) people there really want this level of detail. Also, in the future, it'd be polite to ask before cross-posting this volume of stuff to other lists... -- db. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric W. Biederman Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:01 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [PATCH 50/59] sysctl: Move utsname sysctls to their own file -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
