Re: SAS for Linux on S/390
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 02:40, McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Waite, Dick Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:49 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SAS for Linux on S/390 Grand Day If your looking for a compiler and assembler that runs on z/VM, z/OS, zLinux, LinTel and WinTel and is 99% compatible with SAS then try the link below. I have been using Dignus for many years now and before that SAS/C, I'm happy with Dignus, give it a try maybe you will be too... Ah, Dick. Dignus does not produce a SAS language replacement. It does have a very fine replacement for IBM's and SAS's C compiler and IBM's HLASM. But that is not the product under discussion. SAS Institute was founded upon the SAS language. This is a very powerful data language (which I think is so tightly copyrighted/patented/ that even trying to make a similar language will result in a lawsuit) with associated procedures. IIRC, SAS originally targetted this for statistics and stood for Statistical Analysis System (but that was long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far way) Actually, they'd probably lose any such case. The basic information is so widely spread on very many mainframe-using Universities' websites that I suspect any judge would consider that their stake in it had been diluted so badly that such claims were risible. And ask them to sort it out quietly amongst themselves instead of wasting his time. I think the reason they may _not_ have been cloned, was that people got and made other statistical tools and languages for computers - the GNU R language springs to mind; a written-from-specs clone plus improvements of the S statistical language. (Heck, I think there were even statistics programs written for CP/M and MP/M!) And so you're likely to find most of your statistics tools and languages already in Debian, say, or SLES, already there. Wesley Parish -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Virus Scanner
Hae you had a look at Clamav? I don't know if it's real-time, but it's available for Linux - at least for x86 and should run on s390 and later. Wesley Parish Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi: Does anyone know of a real time virus scanner that will work for zLinux version 8 SuSE novell 390 64 bit server. Here is the linux version information: SPLX_kernel_module-1.3-1.sles8_2.4.21-251.s390 KHM - - For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IP Networks survive disasters?
A couple of months back we had a network outage in New Zealand. It turned out that someone in the capital had dug through one set of TelecomNZ's cables with a hole digger, and a rat had eaten the backup. Since TelecomNZ owns about 85 % of the NZ telecom capacity, that was most of the nation inconvenienced for over half a day until they got it fixed. And the only outfit, TelstraClear, that could've given much-needed peering backup service, had previously de-peered, thus depriving themselves of both a much-needed public boost of their status, and the economic fruits of stepping in when needed. Stupidity's gratuitous, stupidity's universal. Wesley Parish On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:15, Tom Duerbusch wrote: It seems to me, that back in the '60s or so, IP was developed as a communications method that can survive disasters. The disaster planned for was nuclear warfare. Automatic routing was suppose to reroute packets to the proper destination if there was still any communication lines to that destination. Just where did we go wrong? I'm sitting here waiting for the network types to do some routing to the new IP addresses they assigned to our IFL. Still nothing. Not that it is high priority in their books, but wasn't this suppose to be automatic? How can IP communications survive a nuclear bomb if we can't do it within the same machine room? Perhaps survivability was a myth. Perhaps it is money. Perhaps it costs too much to do it right when, locally, there isn't a payback. Perhaps doing it right puts too much of a workload on the network. We no longer have hubs. Everything has been replaced by switches. In the City wide WAN, there is about 4,000 PCs, 500 printers, some 600 servers, in competing departements with no single person in charge of everything. (The City of St. Louis is also it's own County, not to be confused with St. Louis County...that is another County G) So some of this mess may be our own doing, either by some departement/division going off on their own, or us trying to protect everyone from departments/divisions that went out on their own. Or maybe, that is just not how IP networks work anymore. If so, I didn't get the memoG. So, my question is... In most shops, can you just plug in and it works? Or is it more like the SNA world, where you had to wait for me to do the NCP gens and bring it up and test and? Just frustrated... Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Decent editor for linux console (3270)?
Ouch! My head hurts! ;) (dd and sh - reminds me of the time I was planning on writing a complier in minix's sh, because my evaluation minix floppy didn't have cc. ;) Yes, it would work - but if you want to emulate a more so-fist-ee-kate-ed environment, you could always port edlin from FreeDOS (GPL) to 3270 ... ;) I'm only suggesting it, so wait till you get it up and running before tarring and feathering me. ;) Wesley Parish On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:59, Adam Thornton wrote: On Jun 7, 2005, at 8:54 AM, John Campbell wrote: Adam Thornton: ned is now freely available, and works wonderfully. Line mode? There's always ed. I'm not man enough to use ed, myself, so instead I use sed, cat, and echo. And I thought _I_ was a luddite. Never forget dd. I also use head and tail. Forgot about those. Very useful though. But I remember a few years ago, the late lamented assurdo.com had a plan to reimplement a Unix environment in nothing but sh and dd. Same guy who was doing Object-Oriented INTERCAL. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: cross compiler for GCC 3.3.3
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:54, Thomas David Rivers wrote: I am currently running SuSE9 with GCC 3.3.3 on Z/LINUX and like to compiler C program on the INTEL mchine. Do we have a cross compller on z-linux to compiler program for the INTEL box? We offer such a compiler - although it's not GCC... It's Systems/C. See http://www.dignus.com Also - several people here have pointed to instructions for how to get GCC built in a cross-environment... http://debian.speedblue.org/ *.deb, but with alien you can translate the package to *.rpm or if so you wish, to *.tgz. It's up to gcc-4.0 - Dave Rivers - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]Work: (919) 676-0847 Get your mainframe programming tools at http://www.dignus.com snip Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: hercules (was: x3270 console problem under hercules
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:53, Jon Brock wrote: snip Now, I know that the business model for VM is nothing like the Open Source movement, but I have to wonder what would be the result if IBM allowed hobbyist use -- even if unsupported -- of VM on Hercules. I'm sure there are some bright lads and lasses out there who could write some valuable, expensive-cycle-sucking apps that would make the suits sit up and take notice of the business uses for zLinux. It's one of the things I took note of when I read Deitel's book on Operating Systems. CP/CMS a.k.a. VM/370 was a skunk works project, much like Unix was, and Deitel had the idea that the future of computing was going to be a knock-out battle between IBM VM/370 and developments, and Unix - since both were skunk-work source-available projects with a small band of core developers and a much-wider group of secondary developers and bug-finders, both were very popular with their users, and were interactive islands in a sea of batch-processing at that time. I think IBM should release not only VM/ESA under a hobbyist license, but also its source code under the CPL or suchlike, in order to glean further developments and enhancements etc, from the hobbyists who would take to it like a duck to water. I don't think IBM would lose by so doing. Just my 0.02c - and that's probably inflation. ;) Jon snip Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Nasm as x86-hosted S/390 cross-assembler?
Does any such beast exist? (Cause if not, I may well need to make it.) Thanks Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Cross-compiling GCC etc for S/390 (from i80x86)
Makes me drool - not very pretty, but there you have it! ;) I'll take a closer look at some of them - they're *deb and I'm on a *rpm distro, but alien should handle that. Thanks Wesley Parish On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:03, Carsten Otte wrote: Has anyone got any advice, war stories on it? Any special instructions, gotchas, etc, that I should watch out for? The debian packages from debian.speedblue.org work nice for me. with kind regards Carsten Otte IBM Linux Technology Center / Boeblingen lab -- omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Cross-compiling GCC etc for S/390 (from i80x86)
Sounds like fun ;) Well, I'm also trying to crosscompile uClibc for Windows, so I suppose I must have a masochist somewhere within ;) insert obligatory cannabalism joke here :-) And what's even more fun is trying to compile asmutils' libc, written for Linux 2.4, on said Windows box ... all in a day's work ;) Wesley Parish On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:03, Post, Mark K wrote: Ah, they cheated. Getting the glibc libraries built is the hardest part of the process, if you're doing it yourself. For some _real_ fun and games, see if you can do that as well. But only if you're into some serious self-flagellation. :) Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jochen Friedrich Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:18 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: AW: Cross-compiling GCC etc for S/390 (from i80x86) Hi Wesley, http://linux.bytesex.org/cross-compiler.html has a nice description on how to build a cross-compiler. I used it for m68k, sparc, arm and hppa so far, however, it should work for 390, as well. Thanks, Jochen -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Cross-compiling GCC etc for S/390 (from i80x86)
Has anyone got any advice, war stories on it? Any special instructions, gotchas, etc, that I should watch out for? (Compiling GCC as an x86 cross-compiling host, compiling GCC as a cross-compiled S/390 target.) Thanks Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: AW: Cross-compiling GCC etc for S/390 (from i80x86)
Sweet as! Thanks. It looks like just what the doctor ordered. Wesley Parish Quoting Jochen Friedrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Wesley, http://linux.bytesex.org/cross-compiler.html has a nice description on how to build a cross-compiler. I used it for m68k, sparc, arm and hppa so far, however, it should work for 390, as well. Thanks, Jochen -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Wesley Parish Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2005 10:14 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Cross-compiling GCC etc for S/390 (from i80x86) Has anyone got any advice, war stories on it? Any special instructions, gotchas, etc, that I should watch out for? (Compiling GCC as an x86 cross-compiling host, compiling GCC as a cross-compiled S/390 target.) Thanks Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - - For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain architectures (incl. S/390)
Thanks. Well, it's done. One can only hope - if the worst comes to the worst, I aways have Hercules and Debian/390 to work from. Still, as they say, he who laughs last has a 9600 baud connection. ;) Wesley Parish On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:11, A. Harry Williams wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:41:38 +1200 Wesley Parish said: This sounds interesting. I'm thinking of a typically madcap project, called The Flycatcher Project, for porting ReactOS, the GPL WinNT 4.0 clone, to the S/390/zSeries. (Flycatcher, because having one's mouth wide open helps catch flies, and because any protein supplement is bound to do Microserfs the world of good. ;) Any chance of jumping through those hoops? ;^) You'd have to submit a proposal and see. Given the GPL nature, probably but that really isn't my call. I'd reccomend submitting a proposal, answer followup questions, and see. You might be pleasantly surprised. /ahw Wesley Parish On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:16, A. Harry Williams wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:05:12 -0600 Adam Thornton said: On Mar 15, 2005, at 10:40 AM, John Campbell wrote: I would suspect that the biggest problem w/ supporting and doing testing on the S/390 or zSeries architecture is that individuals (who'd be managing the porting and/or testing process) won't *own* either an S/390 or zSeries. Getting mainframe cycles is not, AFAICT, an inexpensive proposition. There's only so far you can depend upon emulation. Actually, I've already gotten two OSDL virtual machines for the Debian project's use. Cycles are there if you ask for them. For any true Open Source Project, should never be the issue. As Adam states, OSDL has access to a z990 for such projects. Go to http://www.osdl.org/lab_activities/lab_projects/propose_a_project.html You want the OSDL-US lab. One of Adam's Debian projects is listed http://www.osdl.org/lab_activities/lab_projects/active_projects/display_ sin gle.html?uid=1287 There are some minor hoops to jump through, but anyone seriously wanted access to zSeries for open source projects can get one. One of the projects is porting an PostgreSQL to z/OS. /ahw -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain architectures (incl. S/390)
This sounds interesting. I'm thinking of a typically madcap project, called The Flycatcher Project, for porting ReactOS, the GPL WinNT 4.0 clone, to the S/390/zSeries. (Flycatcher, because having one's mouth wide open helps catch flies, and because any protein supplement is bound to do Microserfs the world of good. ;) Any chance of jumping through those hoops? ;^) Wesley Parish On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:16, A. Harry Williams wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:05:12 -0600 Adam Thornton said: On Mar 15, 2005, at 10:40 AM, John Campbell wrote: I would suspect that the biggest problem w/ supporting and doing testing on the S/390 or zSeries architecture is that individuals (who'd be managing the porting and/or testing process) won't *own* either an S/390 or zSeries. Getting mainframe cycles is not, AFAICT, an inexpensive proposition. There's only so far you can depend upon emulation. Actually, I've already gotten two OSDL virtual machines for the Debian project's use. Cycles are there if you ask for them. For any true Open Source Project, should never be the issue. As Adam states, OSDL has access to a z990 for such projects. Go to http://www.osdl.org/lab_activities/lab_projects/propose_a_project.html You want the OSDL-US lab. One of Adam's Debian projects is listed http://www.osdl.org/lab_activities/lab_projects/active_projects/display_sin gle.html?uid=1287 There are some minor hoops to jump through, but anyone seriously wanted access to zSeries for open source projects can get one. One of the projects is porting an PostgreSQL to z/OS. /ahw -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)
Occasionally I reply using the names of various previous 419ers, informing them of a leopard-repulsion experiment that went tragically wrong - the Screw-in Screw-on Stainless-Steel Condom (R) The Pentagon(TM), didn't work as a Leopard Repellent as predicted - are we theorizing wrongly, that the leopard would be repelled out of a sense of public duty? - do we need to start on Stage Two of the plan, beeding a leopard that can be reliably predicted to be repelled by the sight of ... - and now we are short of volunteers, and would you, Mr Nice 419er, and your wife, like to volunteer? I only got one reply, and that was from someone claiming to be from the contested Western Sahara - regretfully the Leopard Trainer never contacted him, regretfully I never carried it on. I assume he felt Leopards were few and far between in the Western Sahara. Someone took a 419er in with a Lovecraft-based story, and scared the living daylights out of him, or so I've heard. And then there was Wallace Jersey-Heifer ... ;) Wesley Parish On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:33, shogunx wrote: Last week I got one from a woman claiming to be Saddam Husseins wife! Those silly Nigerian 419'ers. On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Eric Clapsaddle wrote: I got one from the attorney of a distant relative in Nigeria that passed away. Even though I never met him, he wanted to give me a large inheritance. What a guy! Eric shogunx [EMAIL PROTECTED] ak.ath.cx To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Subject Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. 03/16/2005 09:04 S/390) AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Richard Pinion wrote: I'm sure there are many banks in Nigeria that would love to open an account for you. We're always getting emails from them trying to give away money of some rich person who died and has no family. All you need to do is give them your current bank account number! :) I get plenty of those too. Most of the packet headers actually originate in germany, if I remember correctly. I actually had someone try to scam me out of a digital alphaserver 2100 in a similar fashion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/05 09:43AM On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:23:24AM -0500, shogunx wrote: | On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote: | | That part I have. What I do not have is 3-phase power to run | | it. | | What voltage and amperage does it need? | | 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps. You'll need at least 25 kVA. That's as much power as a small house. Then add air conditioning. Not sure whether upgrading electric service or buying a generator would cost more. Maybe renting one long enough to see if it will power up could be done. What are your goals for it? Is it literally 440 volts, or is that just a figure of speech for what is officially 480 volts (if you are in the US)? Well, according to ohms law, it should work at 440, though with a higher current draw. You are correct. 3-phase each phase 120 degrees out of phase from the others at 120V per phase yields 3 discrete 240V circuits (actually about 208V after phase shift, but for all practical purposes its the same thing, and depends on whether you use a wye or delta configuration in your transformer). So figure of speech it is. In an electic company FUD kind of way. tangent Also, is there anyone on this list that operates a s/390 / z-series machine (preferably running linux) in a bank? If so, please contact me off list with information on how to open an account. I am having a problem with my current bank, Netbank, and after a bit of research, have found the reason. They operate m$ servers. Go figure. Scott -- - | Phil Howard KA9WGN | http://linuxhomepage.com/ http://ham.org/ | | (first name) at ipal.net | http://phil.ipal.org/ http://ka9wgn.ham.org/ | - - - For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send
Re: Linus lied; stole unix code and called it linux
I've actually seen some of those SCO Unix x86 libraries disassembled - in one of PJ's postings of relevant ppt files, when Groklaw was becoming more than a weblog, compared with disassemblies of some of the GNU x86 libraries doing the same function. (ask her!) Done by either Santa Cruz Operation or the SCO Group, I'm not sure who, using the same disassembler. Instruction paths were totally different. Is it possible to get this AdTI organization into a detox facility? I wonder about these think-tanks sometimes - someone left the plug out with this one. Wesley Parish Quoting Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It must be true, I read it on the internet: http://www.adti.net/kenarbeit/samiz.release.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/17/adti_linux_fud/ http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/17/112218.shtml?tid=109tid=126tid=163tid=187 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040517002423242 Greg Smith --- --- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT: SCO news
Groklaw.net is where the canonical SCO-dissection usually takes place. Sign up and join in the fun. Wesley Parish On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:52, you wrote: Gregg C Levine wrote: Hello from Gregg C Levine Okay, I'll bite, what does that phrase mean? catastrophe curve, I confess it's a rather new one to me. But it does make you wonder, just how long SCO will keep hanging around to annoy us. At the risk of stirring up the brown smelly stuff, does anyone know exactly what their claim is and whether it has any merit? From reading the page I saw a lot of noise about the ABI, but that doesn't seem to make much sense, since that WAS a published standard and anyone was free to write code that conformed to it. The only facts I know are that SCO, through a very roundabout way, ended up as the owner of the official Unix source code base. Are they claiming that Linux contains code lifted from there? I would think that was pretty far fetched, as Linus went out of his way to implement the Linux kernel from scratch, and also to always advertise Linux as being unix like, but never to call it Unix. If it is true that some code was lifted from the source base, which the paid for and own, I would think that software vendors would be sensitive to their claims. I'm certainly not a champion of SCO, but if somebody stole their property, I can understand them being upset about it. Probably not smart to post this to THIS group, but I am curious about the truth/falsity of their claims, and I would think you all would be up on the details. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Second Wind for Big Iron
It's the month before I was IPLed. All systems took a while to IPL, of course ... ;) On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 04:17, you wrote: Is Apr 7, 1964 actually when the 360 was introduced? That is the same month that Ford started selling the Mustang. -Original Message- From: Ron Greve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Second Wind for Big Iron http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_13/b3876068.htm -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: How to add the size of /
Note on moving /var : if you're running daemons that log to /var, do a ps auxe and kill -9 relevant daemon pids before unmounting /var and copying the directories and files over to the new /var on the new DASD. I just found that out the other day. Wesley Parish On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 04:09, you wrote: On Wednesday 28 January 2004 11:35, Alikhani wrote: Hi My / filesystem that is on /dev/dasda is being full and i need to increase it's size . My VM admin says he can asign a new dasd and format it and belong it to my Linux Guest . I want to know how to assign this dasd to my / filesystem that it will be increased to new size . The easiest way is to move some parts of / to another file system. The obvious candidates are /usr, /home/, /opt/ and /var. E.g. to make /dev/dasdb1 your new /usr, do something like mke2fs -j /dev/dasdb1 mount /dev/dasdb1 /mnt cp -al /usr/* /mnt/ umount /mnt echo /dev/dasdb1 /usr/ ext3 ro 0 0 /etc/fstab mount --bind /usr /mnt mount /usr rm -rf /mnt/* umount /mnt For /home, it is even easier when no user except root is logged in: mke2fs -j /dev/dasdb1 mount /dev/dasdb1 /mnt mv /home/* /mnt/ umount /mnt echo /dev/dasdb1 /home/ ext3 defaults 0 0 /etc/fstab mount /home Arnd -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
About Linux Migration Incentives Planned by SCO
This is my reaction to the above article. http://www.cbronline.com/latestnews/3752ef9c5fdf36b480256dd7001e4767 I am a contented Linux and Free/Libre Open Source Software user, and expect to be using it for the foreseeable future, as I doubt SCO would be able to take me up on taking them up on their generous offer, particularly when one factors in the remote control aircraft, the spacecraft and the fully-armed robots, and the full year's contract with IBM. Some people just don't know when to stop, do they? Wesley Parish --- Darl McBride The SCO Group Dear Darl McBride About Linux Migration Incentives Planned by SCO http://www.cbronline.com/latestnews/3752ef9c5fdf36b480256dd7001e4767 - A proprietary Operating System? Of course, I've always had a hankering for Big Iron. Yes, now you come to think of it, Linux really isn't all that good - not when you consider the alternatives. I think a cluster of Z990s with z/VM with a source code license, with source code licensed z/OS and VSE/ESA running as guests, would be fine, just fine. And of course, I was forgetting, a 32-cpu Alpha running OpenVMS for the terminal. I mean, I have to have a _serious games machine_, don't I? Everybody'll laugh at me if I don't. And that takes _serious_ _IO_, to control all the remote control aircraft and spacecraft and robots that one needs to _play_ _DOOM_ in a _totally_ _satisfactory_ _manner_; and once again, thanks for offering. Linux'd never fit the bill, would it? And once again, thanks for the offer, and I take it that once having declared my intentions to take up your offer in good faith, you cannot now refuse to carry it out. And I gave my full postal address when I applied for the Free Unix Licenses, so you don't have any excuses, do you now? I've never owned a mainframe before - and I owe it all to SCO! Wesley Parish -- Clinesterton Beademung - in all of love. Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: File sizes in Linux-390 - greater than 2GB achievable?
Take a look at Linux Kernel; Table 2; System Limitations in this article. http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-united/h3c# It is about United Linux, but from what I know, the file systems details are right for all Linux distros. Wesley Parish On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 14:33, you wrote: Hello, We are looking at implementing a VisalAge code repository server on a Linux box, running in a mainframe partition. I realise Linux has several filesystem implementations available that would work on 'real' Linux server. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to utilise this to maintain files larger than 2Gb on Linux-390?, or point me to resources to someone who can assist us please? Many thanks, Mick Deutsch IT Architecture Support Team Health Insurance Commission Canberra - Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: An examination ofLinux source
And after exhaustive examination of the source code, after it had been
compiled, it was alleged furthermore, that it contained 1 and 0, both of
which were the patented Intellectual Property of ?
Now let's see, was it Big Bird, or perhaps Kermit? Maybe the Swedish Cook,
maybe - ah, yes, we have it now, the Two Critics!
But who is this? Al Khowarizmi himself? All the way from the ( calculates
furiously ) the , um, ah, Caliphate of um, ah ? And he was just a
sublicensee of the 0 ? And it actually belongs to an as-yet-unknown Indian
mathematical genius?
( Turns to the crowd ) Anyway, really, friends at this quiz show, who owns
the number 1?
( Everybody gives him the finger. ) No, not that one!
Share and Enjoy!
Wesley Parish
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:22, you wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Ferguson, Neale wrote:
After careful examination of the source code it is apparent that vast
amounts of the Linux kernel contains code used in UNIX:
It was found that the Linux kernel contained:
- Thousands of occurrences of for, do, and if
- Extensive use of '{' and '}'
- Instances of 'i' and 'j' being defined as int
- Large slabs of code were embedded via use of the #include directive
- Gratuitous use of the static attribute
- Page after page of /* and */
I think further examination will show they're all in OS/2;-)
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Fwd: URGENT ASSISTANCE REQUIRED
Darl McBride as a Nigerian scamster. Share and enjoy! Wesley Parish -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: URGENT ASSISTANCE REQUIRED Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:46 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DEAR SIR/MADAM: I AM MR. DARL MCBRIDE CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE SCO GROUP, FORMERLY KNOWN AS CALDERA SYSTEMS INTERNATIONAL, IN LINDON, UTAH, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I KNOW THIS LETTER MIGHT SURPRISE YOUR BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD NO PREVIOUS COMMUNICATIONS OR BUSINESS DEALINGS BEFORE NOW. MY ASSOCIATES HAVE RECENTLY MADE CLAIM TO COMPUTER SOFTWARES WORTH AN ESTIMATED $1 BILLION U.S. DOLLARS. I AM WRITING TO YOU IN CONFIDENCE BECAUSE WE URGENTLY REQUIRE YOUR ASSISTANCE TO OBTAIN THESE FUNDS. IN THE EARLY 1970S THE AMERICAN TELEPHONE AND TELEGRAPH CORPORATION DEVELOPED AT GREAT EXPENSE THE COMPUTER OPERATING SYSTEM SOFTWARE KNOWN AS UNIX. UNFORTUNATELY THE LAWS OF MY COUNTRY PROHIBITED THEM FROM SELLING THESE SOFTWARES AND SO THEIR VALUABLE SOURCE CODES REMAINED PRIVATELY HELD. UNDER A SPECIAL ARRANGMENT SOME PROGRAMMERS FROM THE CALIFORNIA UNIVERSITY OF BERKELEY DID ADD MORE CODES TO THIS OPERATING SYSTEM, INCREASING ITS VALUE, BUT NOT IN ANY WAY TO DILUTE OR DISPARAGE OUR FULL AND RIGHTFUL OWNERSHIP OF THESE CODES, DESPITE ANY AGREEMENT BETWEEN AMERICAN TELEPHONE AND TELEGRAPH AND THE CALIFORNIA UNIVERSITY OF BERKELEY, WHICH AGREEMENT WE DENY AND DISAVOW. IN THE YEAR 1984 A CHANGE OF REGIME IN MY COUNTRY ALLOWED THE AMERICAN TELEPHONE AND TELEGRAPH CORPORATION TO MAKE PROFITS FROM THESE SOFTWARES. IN THE YEAR 1990 OWNERSHIP OF THESE SOFTWARES WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE CORPORATION UNIX SYSTEM LABORATORIES. IN THE YEAR 1993 THIS CORPORATION WAS SOLD TO THE CORPORATION NOVELL. IN THE YEAR 1994 SOME EMPLOYEES OF NOVELL FORMED THE CORPORATION CALDERA SYSTEMS INTERNATIONAL, WHICH BEGAN TO DISTRIBUTE AN UPSTART OPERATING SYSTEM KNOWN AS LINUX. IN THE YEAR 1995 NOVELL SOLD THE UNIX SOFTWARE CODES TO SCO. IN THE YEAR 2001 OCCURRED A SEPARATION OF SCO, AND THE SCO BRAND NAME AND UNIX CODES WERE ACQUIRED BY THE CALDERA SYSTEMS INTERNATIONAL, AND IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR THE CALDERA SYSTEMS INTERNATIONAL WAS RENAMED SCO GROUP, OF WHICH I CURRENTLY SERVE AS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER. MY ASSOCIATES AND I OF THE SCO GROUP ARE THEREFORE THE FULL AND RIGHTFUL OWNERS OF THE OPERATING SYSTEM SOFTWARES KNOWN AS UNIX. OUR ENGINEERS HAVE DISCOVERED THAT NO FEWER THAN SEVENTY (70) LINES OF OUR VALUABLE AND PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODES HAVE APPEARED IN THE UPSTART OPERATING SYSTEM LINUX. AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE, THIS GIVES US A CLAIM ON THE MILLIONS OF LINES OF VALUABLE SOFTWARE CODES WHICH COMPRISE THIS LINUX AND WHICH HAS BEEN SOLD AT GREAT PROFIT TO VERY MANY BUSINESS ENTERPRISES. OUR LEGAL EXPERTS HAVE ADVISED US THAT OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THESE CODES IS WORTH AN ESTIMATED ONE (1) BILLION U.S. DOLLARS. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY EXTRACTING OUR FUNDS FROM THESE COMPUTER SOFTWARES. TO THIS EFFECT I HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE MANDATE BY MY COLLEAGUES TO CONTACT YOU AND ASK FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE. WE ARE PREPARED TO SELL YOU A SHARE IN THIS ENTERPRISE, WHICH WILL SOON BE VERY PROFITABLE, THAT WILL GRANT YOU THE RIGHTS TO USE THESE VAULABLE SOFTWARES IN YOUR BUSINESS ENTERPRISE. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE NOT ABLE AT THIS TIME TO SET A PRICE ON THESE RIGHTS. THEREFORE IT IS OUR RESPECTFUL SUGGESTION, THAT YOU MAY BE IMMEDIATELY A PARTY TO THIS ENTERPRISE, BEFORE OTHERS ACCEPT THESE LUCRATIVE TERMS, THAT YOU SEND US THE NUMBER OF A BANKING ACCOUNT WHERE WE CAN WITHDRAW FUNDS OF A SUITABLE AMOUNT TO GUARANTEE YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS ENTERPRISE. AS AN ALTERNATIVE YOU MAY SEND US THE NUMBER AND EXPIRATION DATE OF YOUR MAJOR CREDIT CARD, OR YOU MAY SEND TO US A SIGNED CHECK FROM YOUR BANKING ACCOUNT PAYABLE TO SCO GROUP AND WITH THE AMOUNT LEFT BLANK FOR US TO CONVENIENTLY SUPPLY. KINDLY TREAT THIS REQUEST AS VERY IMPORTANT AND STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. I HONESTLY ASSURE YOU THAT THIS TRANSACTION IS 100% LEGAL AND RISK-FREE. --- -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: Strange ideas was RE: [LINUX-390] No Subject
Scientific American http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0001A3E4-764F-1ED9-8E1C809EC588EF21 has some beauties. To witless: Warren portal identification and tunnel resident disgorger system, patent 6,474,601, Richard Krobusek and David H. Hitt of Plano, Tex.6,474,601, Richard Krobusek and David H. Hitt of Plano, Tex. Well, blow me down! A jet engine is used to blow hot air of the non-politician type, into a tunnel or cave where terrorists might be hiding. The object is to blow them away. //Censored material has been //Censored //Please do not turn the page. //One is reminded of Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton for inexplicable reasons. 8=0 And this beauty: Registered pedigree stuffed animals, patent 6,482,067, David L. Pickens of Honolulu. Breeding stuffed toys - now that is something we urgently need. The future of Western Civilization depends on it. The [insert name of nation]'s history of innovation and invention will end terribly and abruptly if we cannot breed stuffed toys. With any luck we'll wind up with U.S. Patent Office officials, if we breed them long enough. Maybe I should apply for such a patent? After all, I thought of it first ;^) Wesley Parish On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:29, you wrote: I hope the Germans throw the guy in jail. Wouldn't THAT be sweet?!?! -Original Message- From: Gregg C Levine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 7/24/2003 6:23 PM Subject: Strange ideas was RE: [LINUX-390] No Subject Hello from Gregg C Levine Probably as soon as one of two things happen. SCO withdrawing their stupid lawsuit, or they end up loosing that suit. Of the two, I firmly believe they will withdraw it. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Fuerst Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] No Subject I personally am planning on filing a patent tomorrow on the transfer of air to blood through the lungs. I will file a claim that I have invented this transfer, and have imparted this to mankind and you all should be paying me a residual for every breath you take. I will prove this beyond my doubt (and evidently the doubt of the USPTO) thus establishing myself as the supreme being. You will then all pay me rent for living on my planet, and pay me every time you eat something grown on my planet. Further, I will then prove that as the supreme being, that I did indeed invent air, and will require another gratuity not only for it's use but it's transfer in the lungs. I think a buck a breath is about right, a buck for the air and a buck for the transfer. I take Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Discover and PayPal. Send me the money!! BTW, my patent for oil, gas, all minerals, steel, etc. will follow in a few days. I will have many patents pending, and plan on vigorously defending all illegal uses of my property. Where does this crap end? At 08:01 PM 7/24/2003 +0100, you wrote: On Iau, 2003-07-24 at 18:59, Jim Sibley wrote: I own copyright over code that 95% of the Windows code out there infringes on. I refuse to show it to you or anyone, because it's a trade secret. But I demand that each and every one of you who have ever so much as *seen* a computer running Windows immediately pay me $1000. PER COMPUTER. Or else I'm going to sue. So just Paypal it to me, OK? You probably don't but judging by the DRM patent initial judgements from the intertrust case MS customers might want to be wondering if Intertrust will go after customers too and if so what the MS insurance is really worth Use any of these ? http://www.intertrust.com/main/ip/accused.html -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: It does get cold in Tomsk .....
Witty! Wesley Parish On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:22, you wrote: Grand Day, A friend in Tomsk sent me this one http://koti.mbnet.fi/jahuusko/kuvat/hauskat/ruslinux.jpg Regards, Dick Waite Senior RD Consultant (Special Projects), Software AG, 64297 Darmstadt, Germany Email:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: list admin: we're being tracked
What I was wondering was, if going after the spammers is so very difficult, why doesn't someone go after the companies they are spieling for? Hit them up with stalking and harrassment laws, get a class action suit going, get the governments of our various nations to make hawking drugs illegal over the internet, and get Viagra defined as a prescription-only controlled substance. I'm sure we could come up with something. Wesley Parish On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:48, you wrote: Hello from Gregg C Levine Well, yes, Rich, I do care, and no I don't like it. If I need to find a message, I'll check my locally stored messages, here. If I don't have it, I'll ask here for the locations of the Marist site. However, for some this could be a good idea. I wonder if they remember to obscure the addresses? And I'm not going to reiterate, where I saw that thread before, and its subsequent outcome. Oh, and thank you for bringing this up. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Troth Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] list admin: we're being tracked FYI, for those who care about such things, this list is being tracked by http://www.mail-archive.com/. Sorry for the duplicate info if this was mentioned before. Why should you care? Such tracking is easy fodder for e-mail address harvesters. BAD Tracking services make web search of the list easy. GOOD Personally, I have other ways of checking the archives, so I prefer to NOT have the list tracked nor peered to NetNews. But I must confess that I have used such services. -- R; -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: Wine on Linux for S/390
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:36, you wrote: Interesting thought. If it could be compiled for S/390 then in theory one could compile winblows programs and run them on Linux/390, all other things being equal... I think you'd need an emulation layer though. Perhaps a lookup table - essentially what Wine is to Windows binaries on X. I think the better thing would be to get to work on bringing ReactOS up to speed, then it could be ported to S/390. Then all you'd need to do would be to recompile the apps, and that would probably serve to round off some rather rough edges on them. Wesley Parish Greg Smith wrote: Froberg, David C wrote: Folks, Question about Wine. Can it run on S/390 arch. machines? Doc seems to indicate 'no'. Perhaps it could in the sense that you could run an ia32 emulator on s/390. See, for example, http://www.fsf.net/~adam/NT-on-390-desktop.png ;-) Greg Smith -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
Could it be possibly because by now there is _no_ specifically SVR4 code in AIX? If so, IBM parted company with ATT a while back and it still hasn't got through to the ninnies^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hexecutives at SCO. It is a possibility. Wesley Parish On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:18, you wrote: On Iau, 2003-06-12 at 14:44, Lionel Dyck wrote: SCO's president and chief executive Darl McBride told Reuters that IBM had until midnight tomorrow to come to an agreement or it would revoke its licence. They've been threating that for a while, and IBM have been saying the license is non-revokable for a similar length of time -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: Samba 2.2 and Windows 2003 AD
Assuming you are working at present with a Win2K + Samba setup, and are perfectly happy and content with the way it is going, should it not be incumbent upon you, according to the general principles of Due Diligence - which regularly scrap companies that ignore them - to ask Microsoft why? Microsoft is in effect advising your company that Win2K3 will not interoperate with Win2K. If you need to make expensive changes which will invalidate your current setup, and Microsoft is adamant that that is the case, then Microsoft should take upon itself the cost of that restructuring, instead of handing it on to you. After all, Microsoft has regularly advised the world that it only makes changes because of the customers who _demand_ them - and if your company didn't make those demands, then you are not under any licensing or contractual obligation to tolerate the changes made. Anything less and I would advise you to take it to the shareholders and get them asking embarrassing questions about Due Diligence. And BTW, IANAL, BILA (But I like Acronyms). Wesley Parish On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 05:20, you wrote: We are doing a TCO (with Microsoft - please don't laugh - crying is allowed) and they are being very adament that Samba 2.2 can not play with a Windows 2003 Active Directory environment. I found some info that indicated that Samba 2.2 can play with a Windows 2000 AD but MS is claiming that Windows 2003 AD is different. Can anyone shed any light on this that would help rebut the MS claims? thx. Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead Kaiser Permanente Information Technology 25 N. Via Monte Ave Walnut Creek, Ca 94598 Phone: (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332) E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address) AIM:lbdyck -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: German court muzzles SCO
On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:47, you wrote:
Peter Webb, Toronto Transit Commission wrote:
In previous stories, SCO had three independent programming teams go
through Linux looking for SCO code. Where did these teams come from? Is
there that much operating system programming talent floating around? Or
maybe they borrowed the teams from someone who knows (sort of) how to
write an operating system? How long is the plane ride from Redmond to
Utah? Would you trust a programming team that can't find gaping security
holes and other deficiencies in their own work to find matches between
two sets of code?
Interesting thought. They probably identified all the occurrences of
{ and } as stolen code. I heard where they found sections as long
as (*gasp*) fifteen lines that matched. What are the chances?
What are the chances that the Original SCO took them from Linux 1.?.* and
Linux 2.3?.* ?
After all, that's what they did with *BSD. Filed off the copyright
acknowledgements and stuffed the source code into ATT's Own Un*x.
I only ever had one similar experience, where someone threatened to sue me for
repossessing my own tool-box!!! After he had taken the size twelve socket
and socket wrench out and put them with his own toolkit. Experiences like
that leave one with a bad taste in one's mouth!
Wesley Parish
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Re: SCO versus IBM, Round Three
That would be the appropriate response - then IBM could release the original Un*x source code under the BSD or LGPL license to make sure that this sort of silliness gets cut off at the source (pun intended ;^) Wesley Parish On Friday 04 April 2003 08:48 am, you wrote: James Melin wrote: I think IBM will wait until SCO's stock value is half of what it is, and then execute a HT above that price and kabosh this whole lawsuit silliness I'd say SCO/Caldera is hoping for exactly that - would be the only thing which could save them from bankrupcy... (just my own opinion!) Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: ext2 and reiserfs
I'd prefer to have ext3 instead of ext2 - it's a little safer. And I'd divide it up this way - / and /usr get reiserfs, since the journal only stores meta-data, while for the /var and /home I would give them ext3, since that also stores the most recent as-yet-unsaved data as well. My /boot runs on xfs, not that that's anything worth commenting on - I did once experiment with /usr as jfs and it wasn't a complete success at the kernel maturity level it was at. /opt can be anything you like. Give it a go - ext[23] and reiserfs are a workable pair. Wesley Parish On Friday 21 March 2003 04:30 am, you wrote: is there a problem with having both ext2 and reiserfs on the same linux suse sles8 31 bit s/390 thanks Ralph Noll Systems Programmer City of Little Rock Phone (501) 371-4884 Fax (501) 371-4712 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] \\\|/// \\\ ~ ~ /// ( @ @ ) ===oOOo=(_)=oOOo=== -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: batch compiles
Then there is reputed to be floating around the Internet a slash-n-burn version of JCL, still very much in alpha. You could get ahold of that and turn it into a real JCL, tying it in with some of the utilities mentioned in the earlier replies, and just forget about the Linuxisms side of things. Just a thought ... ;-\ Wesley Parish On Friday 21 March 2003 02:12 am, you wrote: The 'standard' way is to build a makefile for the compiles, and run make. Another suggestion, and I'm new at this, is to code a quicky Rexx (Regina) script. You should be able to do the compiles, check return codes, and e-mail yourself the results. At least this is the kind of thing I do on VM when I want to run a batch of compiles. With Linux you should be able to run it in the background (if the script is 'compile' use the command 'compile') McKown, John wrote: OK, so I have a corrupted mindset, coming from MVS grin. But suppose that I want to compile a LOT of programs. In MVS, I code up some JCL and submit it to run later. When it completes, I get a notify to my TSO id and look at the output in SDSF. I repeat this for however many compiles that I want to do. Perhaps doing the submissions over a period of time. How do I do that in Linux (or any UNIX)? In VM/CMS, I remember a CMSBATCH virtual machine which worked a bit like the MVS initiator. The best that I can think of to do in Linux is: nohup compiler and switches 1stdout.unique.qualifer 2stderr.unique.qualifer This would run my compile in the background so to speak (or at least not tie up my terminal). I could do this any number of times. But this would have all the compiles running at the same time. So now I'm impacting performance for others (even if I nice the compiles). Now I have 50 programmers all doing the same. My machine is a mess. Is there an equivalent to an initiator where people can submit work to be done (compiles, shell scripts, whatever) and the system will schedule it and the sysadmin can control it (I.e. only do 5 at a time, let the others wait) Or am I worrying about nothing since Linux developers don't do thing this way anyway. I.e. queuing up 20 compiles while going to lunch and surfing the web and generally schmoozing around? The same question about testing programs. Perhaps there just isn't any batch type processing? -- John McKown -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: Virus Detection
I got that sort of message last year from an associate. Smelling a rat I hopped on the appropriate anti-virus - ie, Symantec's et alii - web sites and told my associate. It's one of those things that make me greatly relieved to be a home Linux-user - you get a certain amount of skepticism built in as regards virus scares. My Win98 partition _never_, but _never_ sees the Internet, so any jdbmgr.exe in my Windows directory or anywhere else on that partition, was either there on install, or one of the Shoemaker's Elves or the Tooth Fairy put it there. Take your pick - it's a free country! Wesley Parish On Thursday 13 March 2003 02:50 am, you wrote: This was passed to me because I was in Russ' address book so check yours systems Dear All, A virus has been passed to me by a contact. My address book in turn has been affected. Since you are in my address book there is a good chance you will find it in your computer too. I followed the direction below and eradicated the virus easily. The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book whether r not you sent emails to your contacts. Here is how you check for the virus and get rid of it. 1. Go to start, find or search option. 2. In the file/folders option, type the name: jdbgmgr.exe 3. Be sure to search your C: drive and all the subfolders and any other drives you may have. 4. Click find now 5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe. DO NOT OPEN IT 6. Go to edit (on the menu bar), choose select all to highlight the file without opening it. 7. Now go to the file (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will then go to the recycle bin. IF YOU FIND THIS VIRUS,YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS. To do this: (a) Open a new e-mail message (b) Click on the icon of the address book next to the TO (c) Highlight every name and add to BCC (d) Copy this message above and paste to e-mail. (e) Enter subject Apologies for the inconvenience and to those of you who have had this message several times from different people! Ralph Pollock Director, Software Business Strategy Software Group IBM Somers, New York 914-766-1345 T/L 826-1345 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Director, Technical Strategy IBM Software Group Phone: 914-766-1193 T/L 826-1193 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Route 100, Somers, NY 10589 Sincerely, Russell Kojima IBM Global Services, Linux and Open Source Strategy and Solutions Office: (925) 600-7219 T/L: 544-9092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ibm.com/linux Craig Moody Linux Architect US Linux National Practice Springfield Il 217-793-5880 T/L 747-5880 Mobile Office 217-698-3341 Cellular Phone 217-341-5151 Internet ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: RPM Data Bases and Sharing Linux Disks
On Saturday 08 February 2003 06:46 am, you wrote:
This is a magnificent idea. I started having trouble with the multiple rpm
database situation about a year ago and posted it to this list. Looks like
the situation hasn't changed much since then. If we could just have rpm
search one shared global rpm database and one local rpm database (with all
local updates being added to the local database and the global database
being the local database for the master server), that would solve all my
problems.
The only problem I can see is getting Red Hat to create and implement the
new standard. rpm does, after all, stand for RedHat Package Manaager.
Well, someone could code it and post it at sourceforge, unc or some other
Linux/Free/Open Source Software site, and wait until Red Hat wakes up and
smells the coffee.
Even they can't argue with satisfied customers.
Wesley Parish
They say there are three signs of stress in your life. You eat too much
junk food, you drive too fast and you veg out in front of the TV. Who are
they kidding? That sounds like a perfect day to me! Gordon Wolfe, Ph.D.
(425)865-5940
VM Linux Servers and Storage, The Boeing Company
--
From: Scully, William
Reply To: Linux on 390 Port
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2003 6:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RPM Data Bases and Sharing Linux Disks
Richard,
Valuable information, thank you! I'm going to discuss this further, if
you don't mind. After all, a main selling point of Linux on the
mainframe is leveraging the time and skill of our administrators. If we
don't find ways of sharing packages we install among members of the Linux
farm then we're not likely to make as much progress in this area as we
could!
Imagine how nice it would be if RPM had a hierarchy of data bases in
which it searched for prerequisites and co-requisites. When creating
large farms of servers the so-called master RPM data base would have
all the information about all the distributor-supplied packages which
were installed on the system, plus any security patches which were
recently applied. Then each individual server in the farm, which used
the master server's disks in R/O, would be able to see that:
- a package was installed already. That's good, no need to waste disk
space reinstalling. - a package was serviced. That's good, all the
needed security patches are installed too!
This is a big selling point for running Linux on mainframes! Do the work
once and leverage it over and over again.
However, each server in the farm has unique needs. So each user (owner)
will want to install add-ons as needed. RPM would, in my scheme, keep a
second data base updated (let's call it the user's RPM data base).
Because RPM searches the master DB first and the user DB second, the tool
still knows what's installed and most importantly, when things are
refreshed. Certainly I could have given each server a copy of the
original RPM data base, but over time that get's stale, as it doesn't
know about any patches recently installed.
I can imagine that there could be times that installing a new level of
(for example) Apache might imply that other packages have to be updated,
in lock-step. (IE: when Apache isn't backward compatible. Perhaps an
unlikely example, but let's go with it.) And that could mean that me, as
owner of the master RPM data base and R/O disks need to take special
effort to help my users prepare for upgrades. I think that could be
handled.
Does this sound like a helpful idea?
-Original Message-
From: Richard Hitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 5:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RPM Data Bases and Sharing Linux Disks
Hi, William
The rpm database is nominally in /var/lib/rpm, if I'm not mistaken. An
unprivileged user should trivially be able to change this to his own
directory, by making a ~/.rpmmacros file and adding to it a %_dbpath
value. See /usr/lib/rpm/macros, in which you'll find:
%_dbpath${_var}/lib/rpm
That said, I don't at all see that the two rpm databases (the system's
and an unprivileged user's) could possibly share information, but at
least now you know where rpm configuration parameters reside and how you
can override them.
Richard Hitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scully, William wrote:
I apologize for the long note. But this topic may be of particular
interest to those of you hoping to create vast farms of Linux
servers. And of particular interest if you hope to manage the software
on these farms effectively.
I've been reviewing the excellent document Linux on IBM eServer zSeries
and S/390: Large Scale Linux Deployment, SG24-6824-00, in the hopes of
using some of the techniques described there to create a farm of
servers which share the maximum amount
Re: Power of Open Source - Microsoft Warns SEC of Open-Source Thr eat
On Thursday 06 February 2003 09:18 am, you wrote: A dirty little secret is that this frequently means that they won't touch it because they wouldn't have anyone else to sue if things go in the toilet. And if they bothererd to read the licenses that are on the proprietary software packages that they merrily click through, they'd understand they're up the creek without a paddle there as well. What proprietary license tells you that if everything goes bottoms-up on your installation, and you lose your company/job/hair/spouse/whatever, you should feel free to take the suppliers to court? None that I've ever read. In short, they busily proclaim they are for choice and freedom and competition, and then have the _cowardice_ of their _convictions_. That's what it's about - not something so inherently absurd that it can be refuted by examining the license of any two-bit proprietary package. But, if said businesses are that incompetent and useless, and use arguments so horribly inaccurate and absurd, why the h@#$ does anybody bother working for them? That'd be a drain on your compassion, I'd think. Wesley Parish -Original Message- From: John Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Power of Open Source - Microsoft Warns SEC of Open-Source Threat Maybe they think that if they use open source software as part of their proprietary software that they would have to make their software open. AFAIK, it doesn't matter unless you distribute your software with the OSS stuff embedded (and thus no longer open). If I'm wrong... straighten me out... -jcf - Original Message - From: Rick Troth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Power of Open Source - Microsoft Warns SEC of Open-Source Threat The most oft-cited reason given by larger companies with 2,000+ employees for not installing Linux is that the proprietary nature of the software their companies depends upon precludes them from open-source development. I don't understand the foregoing. I don't either. -- RMT -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: Telecommunications protocol support
Many thanks! Wesley Parish On Friday 13 December 2002 02:22 am, you wrote: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0136430163/qid=1039696984/sr= 1-14/ref=sr_1_14/103-9717084-4547825?v=glances=books -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: Telecommunications protocol support
On Thursday 12 December 2002 08:47 am, you wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-11 at 18:55, David J. Chase wrote: Hi, I got a question from a customer asking about Linux support for several of the telecommunication industry standards/protocols such as OSI, CMIP, and TMN Framework. Oh my god. OSI is the dead non replacement for TCP/IP, slain by the fact IP works and their gisnt mess didnt. I don't know anything about them, do they look familiar to anyone? Do you know if they are currently supported in any way? Is the There are people who still have the scars. Bits of it (OSI over IP) are supported by ISODE, but its a monster and it would be better to change jobs than support OSI ;) It's actually the backbone for the Aeronautical Telecommunications Network. (I once thought I could port ping, finger and several other bits and pieces of TCP/IP together with a GPS system and a bug-tracking system, etc, to OSI and make a TCAS - a Traffic Collision Avoidance System - for a pilot I know who flew Cessnas for a minor feeder/rural development airline in North Australia. It was achievable, I'm certain of that - but getting hold of information - you could get blood out of a stone somewhat more easily! And I don't know if Marshall's book on OSI, The Open Book is still in print, or what. So I've done nothing.) Wesley Parish -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: LINUX Security
On Wednesday 11 December 2002 04:42 am, you wrote: Hello, we have just started to research SUSE Linux under z/VM, and I've been asked these questions: - Does SUSE Linux issue any SAF (RACF) calls for security in the z/VM environment ? If not, how is security handled ? - Are there any types of SMF records cut to record access or violations to resources in a Linux z/VM environment ? - Does anyone have a link to more specific security / Linux information ? http://www.linuxsecurity.com/ http://lsm.immunix.org/ http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=21266 http://www.grsecurity.net/ http://www.snort.org/ http://www.chkrootkit.org/ http://www.wiretapped.net/ http://www.cert.org/ That's what I came up with on short notice. security-enhanced linux and grsecurity-linux have an intensive development of Access Control Lists and Role Based Access Control, though in different ways. I expect they would be of equal interest at this preliminary stage. I don't know anything about SuSE; I don't use it. Wesley Parish Thanks. -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Wednesday 04 December 2002 03:25 pm, you wrote: Dean, Interesting thoughts ... Basically IBM is a corporation with stockholders. A 'for profit' corporation. They will do things that they believe will earn them money. IBM is very interested in earning money (as are most if not all corporations). The key to this discussion is to come up with a way for IBM to earn money on a 'hobbyist' license. Something has to fund (pay for) the license and the IBM personal handling distribution/maintance/support of said license. License security (legal usage) is another issue (I will ignore that for now). Find a way for IBM to make a profit on a hobbyist license and they will do it. Remember IBM is a very large company. Their cost structure is much higher than you think. Suggesting a way for IBM to make $100,000 is not going to make it. $100K (or $1 million) is not even on any IBM managers radar screen. Does PWD make money? Probably not but the $13K/$20K everyone complains about probably does not even cover the cost of IBM running the project. Remember, NO AD/CDs any more and PWD costs have largely been moved to T3/Cornerstone as distributors. Most PWD personal are now doing something else. IBM has lowered their costs by moving the PWD program outside IBM but T3/Cornerstone have to make money too. So why all this hoohaa about IBM being risk-averse to the hobbyist license idea? If IBM isn't making any money on their current Big Iron on PC setup, set as it is at such a low rate - for Big Iron that is. The reason I see - and others will back me up - for a hobbyist license is to interest those hackers and hobbyists who find the concept of BIG IRON inherently interesting, in the IBM mainframe. Harry Singh in UNIX for MVS Programmers makes the point that Unix and Open Systems got so big because they were more economic than the Big Iron, once you factored in all the people coming out of training with Unix skills and knowledge. Once you factor in that Big Iron is superior to Distributed Systems for heavy batch work, then IBM's refusal to open a hobbyist license seems absurd. If the reason why Big Iron went downhill so fast was most of the non-batch stuff was cheaper with Open Systems and uni-trained staff, then for the shareholders' sakes, you'd expect they'd tolerate a little ablation around the edges to keep the Big Iron business healthy. If it means they'd have at least 10-20% more trained (self-trained) Big Iron programmers, sys-admins, whathaveyou, it should be a workable business proposition - well, apparently the DB/2 people think so. Check out the DB/2 web sites - the free personal use download ones are the ones I'm thinking of - and yes, they apparently got the head honchos to see it their way. it's in competition with Oracle, and Oracle is in competition with Microsoft, which doesn't give their SQLServer away - just expects that we the customers will follow For we like sheep ... Until IBM adds all its batch-processing stuff to Linux and makes it the batch-processing successor to MVS etc, they're still going to be trying to sell Big Iron for MVS et al., and with the current rate of natural attrition of Big Iron programmers, they're going to find it harder and harder. Complain if you want but the reality is if you want a hobbyist license you have to find a way for IBM to make money on it. Heck, you might get them to at least listen to you if you could find a way for them to break-even on the license (but I doubt it). Heinlein in The Space Family Stone has them selling all sorts of goodies to asteroid miners, on the basis that the miners in a gold rush never made any money - only the shop keepers that followed them And there's always that saying about selling the sizzle, not the steak. I suppose it's true. We're asking IBM to consider the sizzle of 10-20% more programmers, etc, for Big Iron, as against the steak of $13,000 for people in business with a written-down business plan, etc, which they can also run in parallel - but of course, keeping them quite separate. If you want to train yourself in Big Iron, you go for the hobbyist license - if you want to start a business, you go for the $13,000 license with IBM's blessings! Of course, once you have your 10-20% more trained programmers, you have that many more people who can cobble together a believable business plan based on their knowledge of Big Iron. Wesley Parish Regards, Jeff -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Monday 02 December 2002 07:17 pm, you wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:29, you wrote: For me, too. Personally I think we should persuade IBM to actually assist the hobby computer market, by providing releases of, say, VM, that have been removed from the normal sales channels. It would be provided on a, pay for the distribution media, but don't bother us for service, and support. But I might be leaving myself open to a complaint from Jim Elliot for shooting my mouth, or writing talents off, without thinking here, so don't quote me in context. I would be delighted to have access to the latest unsupported software. MVS 3.8 is a bit old for me to find attactive. I can run it, but so what? MVS 3.8 skills probably aren't very useful now, and the available compilers were obsolete when I used MVS 3.8 in a former life. If I use the PL/1 F compiler I suspect the code won't even compile with current PL/1 compilers - I recall an incompatibilty between PL/1-F and the optimising compiler back then. Grant access to early OS/390 (I'm guessing there are some now not supported), compilers for Pl/1 and COBOL, CICS and DB2 (plus fixes all round) in similar terms that apply to the download versions of DB2. Worried about piracy? One or more mods to ensure it will _only_ run on Hercules - I'm sure Jay would implement an appropriate diagnose or some such, or even just insist the model be 3168. Maybe, a self-help forum at news.software.ibm.com where IBM folk could help out a bit and get feedback. Well, the DEC-now-Compaq-now-Hewlett Packard OpenVMS hobbyist outfit certainly isn't making them lose their hair, and it's making them friends. They even release the source code on CD. All that is needed is a commitment to supporting the hobbyists with Out-of-Print documentation and some End-of-Support OSes, with perhaps a free hobbyist membership in something like SHARE a la the free membership in DECUS, minus the Commercial support side of things, and I have no doubt IBM will find itself with more up-and-coming MF sys-admins etc than they thought could exist. Certainly more than Harry Singh considered possible in his Unix for MVS Programmers book. Just my $0.02. Wesley Parish -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: Meep! Meep! Glibber! NT Fthagn!
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:39, Adam Thornton wrote: It *is* for real. I was running it on Dave Jones's H70, in the h1 guest, which is running some version of SuSE, with the 2.4.7-timer kernel. I don't think Bochs is kernel-level-sensitive, though. It should work OK under 2.2.16. The tricky thing is, you can't currently *install* NT under Bochs on Linux/390. I think this is due to some endianness bug in the ATAPI CD emulation, because it blows up with an unsupported ATAPI command. So what I did was (skipping all the false starts): Install Bochs on x86. Follow the HOWTO to install NT under Bochs. The tricky part here is to get the boot-floppy right, because booting from the CD gave me nothing but grief. You have to get a workable generic IDE CD driver, SMARTDRV.EXE, and MSCDEX.EXE, plus FORMAT and FDISK. I used the DOS in Win98 to create this boot disk, but I see no reason it wouldn't work with MS-DOS or PC-DOS or (probably) DR-DOS. And you don't really *need* SMARTDRV.EXE, but I think it's going to make life faster. I don't really remember whether I used it or not. I'll be happy to supply the boot floppy image to anyone who wants it, or I can give it to Mark to put up on his site. I've got a dos95 boot disk I use for most of my Bochs installation stuff. I would be happy to add it to the collection, if you think it might be useful - it's got fdisk and format, smartdrv, mscdex, oakcdrom.sys (universal [MS | PC | DR] DOS driver), attrib, and suchlike on it, including autoexec.bat and config.sys files. I've also got an msdos-6.22 boot disk, but that one's not nearly as useful - no cdrom driver, etc. Wesley Parish Then you use dd to create an iso image of the NT CD. Then use the bochs diskimage utility (don't remember the name) to create a suitably-sized hard disk image. I think mine was 504M. Set up Bochs with the emulated floppy in drive A, the disk in drive C, and the NT ISO image in drive D. Boot from floppy. Fdisk and format the hard disk, reboot, and run the NT installer from the CD. Sit back and wait a long long time; when you reboot make sure you're booting from the HD image, not the CD or floppy. I used standard VGA and no mouse for my install; I don't know if that's necessary or not. Once you've done that and set up NT (I set up a network card but did not ever actually configure the network), shut it down cleanly. Now copy the hard disk image over to Linux/390. Build Bochs there. Tell it the geometry of your disk, and boot from it. That's all it takes. Adam -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: O.K. you anti-capitalists ... STOP using LINUX!!
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:57, paultz wrote: How's Uncle Bill going to make a buck with all this anti-capitalism going on??? ;-) In a recent speech delivered to the Government Leaders' Conference in Seattle, Microsoft chairman Bill Gates likened the concept of open source to anti-capitalism. alright http://netscape.com.com/2100-1104-949527.html?type=pt Policymakers should not make rigid intellectual property licensing choices a precondition for eligibility for procurement, nor should they discriminate between developers that choose to license their intellectual property on commercial terms, and developers that choose not to charge licensing fees, states one of the neutral principles advocated by the initiative. Fine, they'll just happily take all and any right of fair use from me as a precondition of use of anything. They'll dance the DCMA around public discussion until every visit to the dentist or doctor requires a Patient Release Form for anything you say. Just to horrify you even further, here's a Kiwi PC World columnist's take on a href=http://www.idg.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/(Briefs_Long)/E822038130531612CC256BC6007584E1?opendocumentOur Dear Monopolistic Friend's Spiel/a. Myself, I think he's right. If the farmers - worldwide - are so well educated that they could debug Linux kernel code, or OpenOffice.org's huge assortment of files, etc, then we have succeeded. Or, to put it into perspective, if the Peruvian farmers His Billness is obviously so worried about. were that well educated and that well equipped, they would have no need to grow cocoa for the cocaine/crack traffic, would they?! Wesley Parish -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
