Re: Linux Laptops
On 8/23/07, Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More seriously, your issue is not with Debian--your problem is that VMware doesn't run on PPC iBooks. Maybe yours, but not mine ;-) My concern is that when going other than the stock kernels that VMware have seen before, I end up compiling my own vmware stub modules. So I am forced to keep compiler and libraries on a system that I meant to be only the hipervisor. And I would miss the additional drivers in the guest for the diag-like interface (don't know if I could build those when I also install compilers in each guest). Rob -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux Laptops
This reminds me of something I saw just the other day. I was looking on the Shire website (found that from Rich Smrcina's SHARE presentation on the web) to see what sort of Hobbit modules were out there now, since I hadn't been able to fool with Hobbit for a while. Turns out there is one module available to check to monitor when a client exceeds a specified number of days without a restart. I'm not a Microsoft-basher, but I found that amusing. Jon snip Well, in the context of all the things Microsoft has blessed us with over the decades, it's better than most. /snip -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux Laptops
On Aug 23, 2007, at 3:24 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: On 8/23/07, Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More seriously, your issue is not with Debian--your problem is that VMware doesn't run on PPC iBooks. Maybe yours, but not mine ;-) My concern is that when going other than the stock kernels that VMware have seen before, I end up compiling my own vmware stub modules. So I am forced to keep compiler and libraries on a system that I meant to be only the hipervisor. And I would miss the additional drivers in the guest for the diag-like interface (don't know if I could build those when I also install compilers in each guest). The guest drivers are independent of the hypervisor environment. As to the other objection, well, that's why you have a development environment, isn't it? Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Hello! They are indeed. However you need to ask for it properly. The drones that populate the 800# here do not get it that people do exist who aren't interested in anything created in a pouring rainstorm. I remember bumping into a Dell rep at one of the Linux World Expo events. We spent some time talking, and he was pleasantly pleased that I managed to get Slackware 8.0 to run without any problems on a Dell commodity platform. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:56 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Linux Laptops Tom Duerbusch wrote: It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. I wonder what changed to allow Lenovo to consider doing this? I think Dell's doing it now. HP's been offering Ubuntu for a while. -- Cheers John -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Hello!
Interesting you should say that John. Very interesting indeed.
I have Slackware 11.0 running on a Dell Optiplex GX150. I, too, gave up on
RHEL because of the sound issues. Which is what I figured would happen.
However on the other ones who're here I haven't had any problems, those are
all ATI based as it happens. **Grin.**
Incidentally getting properly configuration of video on them is pretty
simple. It's the networking and other related issues that can (and do) cause
problems.
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Summerfield
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:09 AM
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Rob van der Heij wrote:
On 8/6/07, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Today there are very few laptops on the market, the rest is
configuration and packaging. Its Intel mobile + MICH + intel video +
intel wireless (aka Centrino), Intel mobile + MICH + intel video +
other
wireless, AMD + ATI + broadcom and a few other combinations.
While my Shuttle SD11G5 does not sit in my lap, it uses the same gear:
Intel 915GM + ICH6M, Intel GMA900, Broadcom Gigabit (and probably more
quiet than my T43)
I had lots of trouble getting a Linux distribution installed that did
both audio and video. Most annoying problem was that GUI-based install
failed halfway (expect because video memory was used as page cache
too). I am now fairly happy with Centos 5 (though I cannot get
dual-head to work as I can with Windows on my T43).
Contrary to Alan, my experience with Intel video is mostly bad. A Dell
Optiplex GX270 I gave up on, video was unacceptable with Fedora Core 6,
SLE{S,D} 10 beta and RHEL5 beta.
Same/similar graphics is working with Scientific Linux 5 (RHEL-clone) pm
an IBM ThinkCentre, but there's a big pause when switching between
virtual consoles.
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Re: Linux Laptops
Adam Thornton wrote: On Aug 8, 2007, at 2:15 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: On 8/8/07, Rod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. Got a cold mate? I want to do virt and afaik VMware does not do Debian... That's, er, news to me. What makes you say that? On PowerPC? -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux Laptops
Tom Duerbusch wrote: It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. I wonder what changed to allow Lenovo to consider doing this? I think Dell's doing it now. HP's been offering Ubuntu for a while. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux Laptops
David Heilman wrote: I have had SuSE Linux running on T60's and T40's for the past 3 years. The R series had problems but the T series seems to run great. I am about to try SuSE on a Gateway Notepad to see how well that works. I'm running OpenSUSE 10.2 on a R40. Had to add madwifi for the wireless. The infernal modem works (sort of) to my great surprise. I think power management does not work, but I've not actually tried to do anything to it. Screen runs at 1440x1050 or so. Very nice. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux Laptops
Rob van der Heij wrote:
On 8/6/07, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Today there are very few laptops on the market, the rest is
configuration and packaging. Its Intel mobile + MICH + intel video +
intel wireless (aka Centrino), Intel mobile + MICH + intel video + other
wireless, AMD + ATI + broadcom and a few other combinations.
While my Shuttle SD11G5 does not sit in my lap, it uses the same gear:
Intel 915GM + ICH6M, Intel GMA900, Broadcom Gigabit (and probably more
quiet than my T43)
I had lots of trouble getting a Linux distribution installed that did
both audio and video. Most annoying problem was that GUI-based install
failed halfway (expect because video memory was used as page cache
too). I am now fairly happy with Centos 5 (though I cannot get
dual-head to work as I can with Windows on my T43).
Contrary to Alan, my experience with Intel video is mostly bad. A Dell
Optiplex GX270 I gave up on, video was unacceptable with Fedora Core 6,
SLE{S,D} 10 beta and RHEL5 beta.
Same/similar graphics is working with Scientific Linux 5 (RHEL-clone) pm
an IBM ThinkCentre, but there's a big pause when switching between
virtual consoles.
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John
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Re: Linux Laptops
On Aug 22, 2007, at 4:10 AM, John Summerfield wrote: Adam Thornton wrote: On Aug 8, 2007, at 2:15 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: On 8/8/07, Rod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. Got a cold mate? I want to do virt and afaik VMware does not do Debian... That's, er, news to me. What makes you say that? On PowerPC? Sure. If you run Bochs. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 9:59 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Virtual PC, however, *does*, and it's not terrible (although it's pretty crash-prone), Ok, explain to me how something that is pretty crash-prone is _not_ terrible? Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Mark Post wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 9:59 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Virtual PC, however, *does*, and it's not terrible (although it's pretty crash-prone), Ok, explain to me how something that is pretty crash-prone is _not_ terrible? Well, in the context of all the things Microsoft has blessed us with over the decades, it's better than most. It was an acceptable way to run Visio. And, um, the DD character generator that came with the 3E _Player's Handbook_. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have run various flavors of Red Hat and Fedora on two IBM laptops, a T41, and a T43, without major problems. I have also seen SuSE on T23, T42, and my wife's R52. The two issues that used to cause me problems were the video chip and the nic. These two problems occured in older releases but have improved considerably with the latest releases. I have never encountered trouble with the video chip. (but see note) Really never experienced trouble with the wired NIC. But I consistently have trouble with WEP on the wireless NIC. Note: The team I work with was trying to run the old T23 dual-headed. (Long story there.) It did not work. Turned out to be a hardware problem related to DVI. Nothing wrong with SuSE in that case. The built-in screen worked great, and the machine works flawlessly with an external screen connected via D9 SVGA. -- R; -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. -- Rod -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On 8/8/07, Rod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. Got a cold mate? I want to do virt and afaik VMware does not do Debian... Rob -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. Got a cold mate? I want to do virt and afaik VMware does not do Debian... As it happens, yeah. Or rather the after effects of two. As it further happens, I run Debian 4 on the Dell Latitude D820 using Xen the VT hardware to virtualize things. Seems to work... :-) -- Rod -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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I have run various flavors of Red Hat and Fedora on two IBM laptops, a T41, and a T43, without major problems. The two issues that used to cause me problems were the video chip and the nic. These two problems occured in older releases but have improved considerably with the latest releases. However, YMMV, Steve -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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I have found these websites (http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ and http://www.howtoforge.com/) to be a great source for help on how to overcome some of the problems that may present themselves as you try to get linux up and running on laptop. From my experience the combination of an Intel CPU and chipset combined with an Nvidia videocard will usually yield the highest level of compatibility and performance. Sometimes sound and modems can be an issue on laptops simply because they are often more driven more by software than hardware (anyone remember those winmodems?), but even that has improved greatly in the last couple years. However, I still avoid ATI completely, and that in turn means that I have been staying away from AMD lately as well. Their current level of compatibility does not come close to matching that of Intel and Nvidia. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On Aug 8, 2007, at 2:15 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: On 8/8/07, Rod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cough cough - I have no problems running Debian 4 on my PPC iBook - cough cough. Got a cold mate? I want to do virt and afaik VMware does not do Debian... That's, er, news to me. What makes you say that? Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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From my experience the combination of an Intel CPU and chipset combined with an Nvidia videocard will usually yield the highest level of compatibility and performance. That's really interesting. Nvidia was a real PITA wrt to Linux device drivers a while ago; have they seen the light? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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have they seen the light? Not really but their chipset/graphic drivers are atm far more stable then e.g. ATI. Christian Langer -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On 8/8/07, Christian Langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have they seen the light? Not really but their chipset/graphic drivers are atm far more stable then e.g. ATI. Christian Langer -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Hello! I would respectfully disagree with everyone's assertions concerning ATI and Linux. Several of my systems here travel with ATI display hardware, and I've gotten nothing but good service from them. Granted this was using the delivered stuff for X and such like from the media kits for Slackware, and required some tuning, especially on the part of the kernel, but everything just worked afterwards. My only issue was with the way KDE interpreted the video, poorly thought out. But other then that it worked. Now on a laptop that's a different animal altogether, I am not altogether certain as to which chipsets ATI chose, but the Rage and Mach families work. (Both are related.) Now on the issue of support for this process, I can definitely say that ATI before they were bought by AMD did poorly to not at all. Now? I believe they will need a severe drubbing before they do any better. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] This signature was once found posting rude messages in English in the Moscow subway. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On 8/6/07, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today there are very few laptops on the market, the rest is configuration and packaging. Its Intel mobile + MICH + intel video + intel wireless (aka Centrino), Intel mobile + MICH + intel video + other wireless, AMD + ATI + broadcom and a few other combinations. While my Shuttle SD11G5 does not sit in my lap, it uses the same gear: Intel 915GM + ICH6M, Intel GMA900, Broadcom Gigabit (and probably more quiet than my T43) I had lots of trouble getting a Linux distribution installed that did both audio and video. Most annoying problem was that GUI-based install failed halfway (expect because video memory was used as page cache too). I am now fairly happy with Centos 5 (though I cannot get dual-head to work as I can with Windows on my T43). Rob -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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I have had loads of trouble on my laptop with talking through my WPA-protected wireless router at home. WEP worked fine, but WPA has been a royal pain. I finally got it running using a couple of wpa-supplicant commands, but it still drops out frequently. I can boot the same laptop on XP and all is hunky-dory. Jon -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Linux Laptops
I just saw this on an internal Novell web site. Lenovo is now offering Thinkpads with SLED10 pre-loaded. http://www.novell.com/news/press/lenovo-and-novell-to-offer-linux-preload-on-thinkpad-notebooks/ That's the same configuration I was issued by Novell, and it's been pretty nice so far. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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I just saw this on an internal Novell web site. Lenovo is now offering Thinkpads with SLED10 pre-loaded. http://www.novell.com/news/press/lenovo-and-novell-to-offer-linux-preloa d- on-thinkpad-notebooks/ That's the same configuration I was issued by Novell, and it's been pretty nice so far. You know, offering a trade in your Windows preload promotion for T60-class laptops that had all the Lenovo device driver widgets and add-on application widgets would be a pretty neat idea(hint, hint). I'd pay $50 or so for it. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. I wonder what changed to allow Lenovo to consider doing this? Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/6/2007 12:37 PM I just saw this on an internal Novell web site. Lenovo is now offering Thinkpads with SLED10 pre-loaded. http://www.novell.com/news/press/lenovo-and-novell-to-offer-linux-preload-on-thinkpad-notebooks/ That's the same configuration I was issued by Novell, and it's been pretty nice so far. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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In the last few months, Dell has started shipping Linux preloads, again. Check out http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/alliances/en/linux?c=usc s=555l=ens=biz -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux Laptops It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. I wonder what changed to allow Lenovo to consider doing this? Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/6/2007 12:37 PM I just saw this on an internal Novell web site. Lenovo is now offering Thinkpads with SLED10 pre-loaded. http://www.novell.com/news/press/lenovo-and-novell-to-offer-linux-preloa d-on-thinkpad-notebooks/ That's the same configuration I was issued by Novell, and it's been pretty nice so far. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. I wonder what changed to allow Lenovo to consider doing this? Unsubstantiated guess: their Microsoft licensing contract expired and they negotiated a better set of terms with MS that removed any exclusive language by threatening MS with reawakening the you're a monopoly anti-trust suit. Of course, they'd have to try it in the EU, given the US DOJ dysfunction at the moment, but that's probably still enough clout to get MS to back down. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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On Mon, Aug 6, 2007 at 1:59 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Duerbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. Doubtful. Most likely not enough people were buying them. Dell is once again offering Linux systems again. I wonder what changed to allow Lenovo to consider doing this? Market demand has changed (increased) considerably. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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At the end of the year (2005), I bought a Thinkpad some model or other. It sure doesn't like linux (Suse 8, Suse 9 or Suse 10). Power management doesn't work. The battery indicator doesn't work, Wifi does work. Leave Linux up for over 30 minutes, and the Thinkpad shuts down. The fan sometimes doesn't come on and the laptop overheats. I think the laptop is a G40. It didn't have Linux as one of the supported Operation Systems at the time I bought it. I will make sure support is there on the following hardware purchases. For now, it converted me back to XP. Try again now. A lot of work on laptop support has been done in Linux since then. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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My Thinkpad R40e runs OpenSUSE 10.2 very nicely. FWIW. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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In two months, I doubt that anyone can determine market demand. I would have bought one, but I didn't need a new PC at that time. At the end of the year (2005), I bought a Thinkpad some model or other. It sure doesn't like linux (Suse 8, Suse 9 or Suse 10). Power management doesn't work. The battery indicator doesn't work, Wifi does work. Leave Linux up for over 30 minutes, and the Thinkpad shuts down. The fan sometimes doesn't come on and the laptop overheats. I think the laptop is a G40. It didn't have Linux as one of the supported Operation Systems at the time I bought it. I will make sure support is there on the following hardware purchases. For now, it converted me back to XP. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting (perhaps I can put OS/2 on itG) Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/6/2007 1:17 PM On Mon, Aug 6, 2007 at 1:59 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Duerbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. Doubtful. Most likely not enough people were buying them. Dell is once again offering Linux systems again. I wonder what changed to allow Lenovo to consider doing this? Market demand has changed (increased) considerably. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux Laptops
Suse 10 had the same problems. Try adding 'acpi=off' to the parm line when booting. That usually lets you get the machine to stay up long enough to figure out what else is dying. Also, SLED has a lot of drivers preloaded that aren't in the base SuSE 10. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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I have had SuSE Linux running on T60's and T40's for the past 3 years. The R series had problems but the T series seems to run great. I am about to try SuSE on a Gateway Notepad to see how well that works. David Heilman T3 Technologies, Inc. Office 440-834-1672 T3 Support 813-288-0048 Tom Duerbusch wrote: Suse 10 had the same problems. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/6/2007 1:26 PM At the end of the year (2005), I bought a Thinkpad some model or other. It sure doesn't like linux (Suse 8, Suse 9 or Suse 10). Power management doesn't work. The battery indicator doesn't work, Wifi does work. Leave Linux up for over 30 minutes, and the Thinkpad shuts down. The fan sometimes doesn't come on and the laptop overheats. I think the laptop is a G40. It didn't have Linux as one of the supported Operation Systems at the time I bought it. I will make sure support is there on the following hardware purchases. For now, it converted me back to XP. Try again now. A lot of work on laptop support has been done in Linux since then. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux Laptops
Suse 10 had the same problems. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/6/2007 1:26 PM At the end of the year (2005), I bought a Thinkpad some model or other. It sure doesn't like linux (Suse 8, Suse 9 or Suse 10). Power management doesn't work. The battery indicator doesn't work, Wifi does work. Leave Linux up for over 30 minutes, and the Thinkpad shuts down. The fan sometimes doesn't come on and the laptop overheats. I think the laptop is a G40. It didn't have Linux as one of the supported Operation Systems at the time I bought it. I will make sure support is there on the following hardware purchases. For now, it converted me back to XP. Try again now. A lot of work on laptop support has been done in Linux since then. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux Laptops
Try again now. A lot of work on laptop support has been done in Linux since then. Much more fundamentally laptops have given up using most of the proprietary parts they used to, except for stupid gimmick items like fingerprint readers. Today there are very few laptops on the market, the rest is configuration and packaging. Its Intel mobile + MICH + intel video + intel wireless (aka Centrino), Intel mobile + MICH + intel video + other wireless, AMD + ATI + broadcom and a few other combinations. With all the Linux work Intel have been doing the Intel stuff basically just works which means most laptops work out of the box (some fun with those that use 'other' wireless) while the AMD stuff is generally a dead loss due to the ATI video but fortunately a small market share. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
