Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
Thanks. I switched to PuTTY and life is better. Thanks. Scott Chapman sachapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] @aep.comcc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390 10/31/2002 06:56 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port Using TeraTerm SSH, export TERM=xterm seemed to make the PF keys work, although I'm not sure that I care for the extra colors. PuTTY seemed to set TERM=xterm when it started, but I can't figure out how to make TeraTerm do the same. Scott Chapman Sanford H Gelbard To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: OM Subject: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARIST.EDU 10/30/02 05:30 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port Hello All, Ever since I started working with SuSe Linux on z/Series I have always been plagued by problems with keystroke functionality within YAST. My TERM variable is VT100. My Hummingbird TN/3270 profile is setup as vt100 with a sceen height of 25 and width of 80. I'm aware that pfkeys may not function properly so I may need to use 1 instead of PF1 etc..., yet I still find myself getting hung or not being able to invoke the proper function keys at the right time. I think what I have defined is valid. Has anyone run into these problems and actually gotten yast to behave properly? Any assistance greatly appreciated. Thanks, Sandy G
Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
Using TeraTerm SSH, export TERM=xterm seemed to make the PF keys work, although I'm not sure that I care for the extra colors. PuTTY seemed to set TERM=xterm when it started, but I can't figure out how to make TeraTerm do the same. Scott Chapman Sanford H Gelbard To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: OM Subject: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARIST.EDU 10/30/02 05:30 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port Hello All, Ever since I started working with SuSe Linux on z/Series I have always been plagued by problems with keystroke functionality within YAST. My TERM variable is VT100. My Hummingbird TN/3270 profile is setup as vt100 with a sceen height of 25 and width of 80. I'm aware that pfkeys may not function properly so I may need to use 1 instead of PF1 etc..., yet I still find myself getting hung or not being able to invoke the proper function keys at the right time. I think what I have defined is valid. Has anyone run into these problems and actually gotten yast to behave properly? Any assistance greatly appreciated. Thanks, Sandy G
Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
Scott, Setup - TCP/IP - Term type. You will have to have the telnet checkbox checked to enter anything into the field. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Scott Chapman [mailto:sachapman;aep.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems Using TeraTerm SSH, export TERM=xterm seemed to make the PF keys work, although I'm not sure that I care for the extra colors. PuTTY seemed to set TERM=xterm when it started, but I can't figure out how to make TeraTerm do the same. Scott Chapman
Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
I saw that, but when I managed to change it it wouldn't connect anymore--I'm guessing because I only allow SSH into the server. Even if I clicked off telnet and left the xterm in the field grayed out, it would fail. Just one of the many things I don't understand. Like why backspace doesn't work the way I expect it to in vi. (I can only backspace over data I just typed, not existing data.) Scott Post, Mark K mark.post@eds. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com cc: Sent by: LinuxSubject: Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARIST.EDU 10/31/02 09:48 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port Scott, Setup - TCP/IP - Term type. You will have to have the telnet checkbox checked to enter anything into the field. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Scott Chapman [mailto:sachapman;aep.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems Using TeraTerm SSH, export TERM=xterm seemed to make the PF keys work, although I'm not sure that I care for the extra colors. PuTTY seemed to set TERM=xterm when it started, but I can't figure out how to make TeraTerm do the same. Scott Chapman
Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:32:35AM -0500, Scott Chapman wrote: Like why backspace doesn't work the way I expect it to in vi. (I can only backspace over data I just typed, not existing data.) That's because there is no backspace in vi, and if you're using backspace and it's working at all you're using some wussed-down latter-day version of vi. Use h for move one character to the left. But make sure you're out of insert mode first. If you want to use these sissy modern-day crutches like arrow keys then use emacs. Heretic. Adam
Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
IMHO vi is the clearly among the most user hostile editors ever created. VI. Virtually Impossible. Very Irritating. Vastly Infuriating. Violently Insolent. Modern computers should use modern editors. (Ok. Ok, let the crucifiction and stoning begin) |-+ | | Adam Thornton| | | athornton@sineno| | | mine.net| | | Sent by: Linux on| | | 390 Port | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | IST.EDU | | || | || | | 10/31/2002 12:34 | | | PM | | | Please respond to| | | Linux on 390 Port| | || |-+ --| | | | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems | --| On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:32:35AM -0500, Scott Chapman wrote: Like why backspace doesn't work the way I expect it to in vi. (I can only backspace over data I just typed, not existing data.) That's because there is no backspace in vi, and if you're using backspace and it's working at all you're using some wussed-down latter-day version of vi. Use h for move one character to the left. But make sure you're out of insert mode first. If you want to use these sissy modern-day crutches like arrow keys then use emacs. Heretic. Adam
Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
Yes, you have card readers. Look at device address 00C on almost any VM guest. It is normally a card reader. How else would you read the printouts from the VM spool if not with a card reader? I can hear all you youngsters thinking - What is a card? Stephen Frazier Oklahoma Department of Corrections -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-linux-390;VM.MARIST.EDU]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:09 PM To: Linux on 390 Port Subject: Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems LOL... Now maybe you can help me get my card reader working with Linux?? (No, I don't *think* we actually have one of those still available, but we did get a DB2 v7 PTF delivered on 3420 tape a week or so ago.) Scott
Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
I agree. -Original Message- From: James Melin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems IMHO vi is the clearly among the most user hostile editors ever created. VI. Virtually Impossible. Very Irritating. Vastly Infuriating. Violently Insolent. Modern computers should use modern editors. (Ok. Ok, let the crucifiction and stoning begin) |-+ | | Adam Thornton| | | athornton@sineno| | | mine.net| | | Sent by: Linux on| | | 390 Port | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | IST.EDU | | || | || | | 10/31/2002 12:34 | | | PM | | | Please respond to| | | Linux on 390 Port| | || |-+ - -| | | | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems | - -| On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:32:35AM -0500, Scott Chapman wrote: Like why backspace doesn't work the way I expect it to in vi. (I can only backspace over data I just typed, not existing data.) That's because there is no backspace in vi, and if you're using backspace and it's working at all you're using some wussed-down latter-day version of vi. Use h for move one character to the left. But make sure you're out of insert mode first. If you want to use these sissy modern-day crutches like arrow keys then use emacs. Heretic. Adam
Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
But it is ubiquitous, therefore I will use it and learn it. Sure emacss is available to be installed on almost every platform too, but I think it's much more likely that you will find vi(m) installed on any given machine you may happen to touch. It wouldn't surprise me to find that vi(m) is part of Mac OS X. Scott James Melin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pin.mn.uscc: Sent by: Linux on Subject: Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU 10/31/02 01:54 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port IMHO vi is the clearly among the most user hostile editors ever created. VI. Virtually Impossible. Very Irritating. Vastly Infuriating. Violently Insolent. Modern computers should use modern editors. (Ok. Ok, let the crucifiction and stoning begin) |-+ | | Adam Thornton| | | athornton@sineno| | | mine.net| | | Sent by: Linux on| | | 390 Port | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | IST.EDU | | || | || | | 10/31/2002 12:34 | | | PM | | | Please respond to| | | Linux on 390 Port| | || |-+ --| | | | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems | --| On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:32:35AM -0500, Scott Chapman wrote: Like why backspace doesn't work the way I expect it to in vi. (I can only backspace over data I just typed, not existing data.) That's because there is no backspace in vi, and if you're using backspace and it's working at all you're using some wussed-down latter-day version of vi. Use h for move one character to the left. But make sure you're out of insert mode first. If you want to use these sissy modern-day crutches like arrow keys then use emacs. Heretic. Adam
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Post, Mark K writes: Hey, the card reader on my Linux/390 guests have always worked, particularly with Malcolm Beattie's Unit Record device driver. Having VM helps with that, but David Boyes did verify its functionality with a piece of real UR hardware. plug And for those who weren't aware: the latest version of the driver, along with a userland utility (complete with man page) are now documented in Appendix A of the ... zSeries ... Large Scale Linux Deployment Redbook and available for download from the redbooks site: The UR device driver provides a Linux character device interface to an attached unit record device for a Linux guest. The UR utility provides a user interface to the UR device driver. Using the UR driver and utility, it is possible to exchange files between a Linux guest and a z/VM virtual machine (initiated within the Linux guest). The UR utility provides an interface for copying files between UR devices (typically the reader, punch, and printer defined by the virtual machine). It can handle any file block size, and record length, and will perform EBCDIC-to-ASCII conversion as required. The UR device driver and utility can be downloaded from the Internet as described in Appendix D, Additional material on page 279. For the ur utility, the syntax is: ur copy [ -tbf ] [ infile | - ] [ outfile | - ] ur info devfile ur list ur add minor devno blksz reclen flags [ devname [ perm ] ] ur remove minor with the last two lines providing dynamic device support. The Redbook is available online (HTML and PDF) by going to http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/ and entering SG246824 in the search box at the top. The direct URL to the HTML online version is http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG246824.html and the direct URL to the PDF version is http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/pubs/pdfs/redbooks/sg246824.pdf /plug --Malcolm -- Malcolm Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Technical Consultant IBM EMEA Enterprise Server Group... ...from home, speaking only for myself
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Scott Chapman, on vi:
But it is ubiquitous, therefore I will use it and learn it. Sure emacss is
available to be installed on almost every platform too, but I think it's
much more likely that you will find vi(m) installed on any given machine
you may happen to touch. It wouldn't surprise me to find that vi(m) is
part of Mac OS X.
I date back to the bad old days when even vi wasn't assumed, when you got
used to ed because there was no guarantee of vi's presence.
Back in those days you _could_ be productive w/ vi over a 300bps modem-
though a VT-100 was a *bad* terminal for this. I kid thee not.
My oldest son (now 28) taught himself vi when he was 12; I once boasted
about this to a co-worker who commented that I should keep quiet about it
since it could qualify as child abuse. Of course I top that now by
playing Firesign Theater albums to my 8 y/o daughter...
As for punch cards...
Why, when I was your age, we didn't have none of these fancy graphics you
kids have these days; No, if WE wanted to see pretty pictures, we ran our
jobs to the card punch and held 'em up to the light! (I almost killed
some mainframers when I first did this in front of them over 2 years ago
while they were trying out Linux on an s/390.)
When we moved to a new building we found four boxes of blank cards, all
different colors. They *are* a convenient size for a lot of tasks...
John R. Campbell, Speaker to Machines (GNUrd) {813-356|697}-5322
Adsumo ergo raptus sum
IBM Certified: IBM AIX 4.3 System Administration, System Support
Re: Silly responses to RE: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
3420 tape? Those are the things that they used in movies when ever they wanted to have a computer. And they never did anything but skip forward or rewind. Stephen Frazier Oklahoma Department of Corrections -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-linux-390;VM.MARIST.EDU]On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:45 PM To: 'Linux on 390 Port' Subject: OT: Silly responses to RE: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems LOL... Now maybe you can help me get my card reader working with Linux?? Can do. Mr Beattie's driver works on real 2540s. We have one customer who still uses them...8-). (No, I don't *think* we actually have one of those still available, but we did get a DB2 v7 PTF delivered on 3420 tape a week or so ago.) 800 or 1600 bpi? You 6250 bpi folks think you got it tough*grin* -- db David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates
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On Thursday, 10/31/2002 at 12:54 CST, James Melin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO vi is the clearly among the most user hostile editors ever created. VI. Virtually Impossible. Very Irritating. Vastly Infuriating. Violently Insolent. Modern computers should use modern editors. (Ok. Ok, let the crucifiction and stoning begin) Please, let's not, eh? While it's only been a week or so since I last saw any Holy Editor Wars (in another list I follow), I'm not yet feeling the need to witness heretics being burned at the stake. (Personally, I think choice of editor should be part of the famed Don't Ask - Don't Tell policy.) Peace. Love. Linux. (Let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya.) Alan Altmark Sr. Software Engineer IBM z/VM Development
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On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:23:05PM -0500, Alan Altmark wrote: Peace. Love. Linux. (Let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya.) I sure don't *remember* hitting the cough syrup this morning, but I think I'm hallucinating. Adam
Re: Silly responses to RE: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:51, you wrote: 3420 tape? Those are the things that they used in movies when ever they wanted to have a computer. And they never did anything but skip forward or rewind. I'm not much of a flick watcher, but I'd have thought 3420s too modern. 2400 series is what I'd recommend, but others probably think those too new too. Steve pls check your email settings. You were nearly the sole recipient of this gem, and I'd hate for the others to have missed it! -- Cheers John Summerfield Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/ Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 02:54, you wrote: IMHO vi is the clearly among the most user hostile editors ever created. IMV it has a worthy rival in emacs which _still_ defeats me. -- Cheers John Summerfield Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/ Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
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IMV it has a worthy rival in emacs which _still_ defeats me. -- Cheers John Summerfield So, you haven't discovered (setq `aussie-chunter-mode nil) in your ~/.emacs yet? That'll teach you not to ignore the warnings in M-x info M-i Detecting Down-Under Luser Modes in the extensive and fine documentation, now won't it? 8-) (*grin* Emacs: an editor for those who need everything, including a kitchen sink, but can't quite remember enough Lisp to figure out how to (eval-regexp-buffer) works so they can remember where the darn program put it.) -- db
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Hello again from Gregg C Levine Then why does emacs mange to confuse even me? Yes, it is a splendid job of being everything, and anything, but still there are limits. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390;VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Plagued by YAST 3270 problems IMV it has a worthy rival in emacs which _still_ defeats me. -- Cheers John Summerfield So, you haven't discovered (setq `aussie-chunter-mode nil) in your ~/.emacs yet? That'll teach you not to ignore the warnings in M-x info M-i Detecting Down-Under Luser Modes in the extensive and fine documentation, now won't it? 8-) (*grin* Emacs: an editor for those who need everything, including a kitchen sink, but can't quite remember enough Lisp to figure out how to (eval-regexp-buffer) works so they can remember where the darn program put it.) -- db
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:33, you wrote: So, you haven't discovered (setq `aussie-chunter-mode nil) in your ~/.emacs Er, what's setq? I have enough trouble remembering how to get out of it. Actually, I have given it a fair trial and given at least three of its email clients a reasonable workout. -- Cheers John Summerfield Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/ Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
I'm aware that pfkeys may not function properly so I may need to use 1 instead of PF1 etc..., yet I still find myself getting hung or not being able to invoke the proper function keys at the right time. I think what I have defined is valid. Has anyone run into these problems and actually gotten yast to behave properly? Don't try to use the PF keys -- you'll just make yourself unhappy, and you'll be irritated whenever you have to use someone else's machine without your custom keymap. Use Cntrl-f, release the keys, and then hit 1,2,3,4, etc -- ie, PF1 = cntrl-f , release, 1, usw. Works properly for all terminal types (except the 3270 console driver) -- even my ancient ADM3A.
