Re: SLES9 out of support?
Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and later kernels). This statement clearly is not true. In fact, we do. Carsten -- Carsten Otte has stopped smoking: Ich habe in 3 Monate, 3 Wochen und 4 Tage schon 564,87 Euro gespart anstatt 2.353,65 Zigaretten zu kaufen. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and later kernels). Carsten Otte wrote: This statement clearly is not true. In fact, we do. Here is an example to prove my statement. Note the diff from Martin against head31.S which is the kernel startup code used for 31-bit kernel only. This code is heading for integration into 2.6.19+, and directed yield is a feature new in future Linux distributions. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-archm=115858205621775w=2 cheers, Carsten -- Carsten Otte has stopped smoking: Ich habe in 3 Monate, 3 Wochen und 4 Tage schon 564,91 Euro gespart anstatt 2.353,80 Zigaretten zu kaufen. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and later kernels). On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Carsten Otte wrote: This statement clearly is not true. In fact, we do. I really want to thank the Linux team at IBM for this: THANKS! It is important to the health of Linux that they continue to support 31-bit Linux. Obviously there are some IBMers who know this. -- R; -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
SLES9 out of support?
Novell tells me that SLES9 is out of support! Most of us are running SLES9 and some SLES8! They released SLES10 only just and only for s390x, whatever that means! Is it 64 bit? How can Novell sunset SLES9 so quickly? -- __ Ranga Nathan Work: 714-442-7591 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 begin:vcard fn:Ranga Nathan n:Nathan;Ranga email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:714-442-7591 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Ranga Nathan wrote: Novell tells me that SLES9 is out of support! Most of us are running SLES9 and some SLES8! They released SLES10 only just and only for s390x, whatever that means! Is it 64 bit? How can Novell sunset SLES9 so quickly? Who was that? Give me his number NOW. (Out of support? I would have known that. Otherwise why would I bother fixing all these blasted bugs for?) Cheers, Hannes -- Dr. Hannes Reinecke [EMAIL PROTECTED] SuSE Linux Products GmbHS390 zSeries Maxfeldstraße 5 +49 911 74053 688 90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
hi, On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 10:59:49PM -0700, Ranga Nathan wrote: Novell tells me that SLES9 is out of support! Most of us are running SLES9 and some SLES8! They released SLES10 only just and only for s390x, whatever that means! Is it 64 bit? How can Novell sunset SLES9 so quickly? NO. NO. NO. SLES 9 is _NOT_out of support. For a detailed view when the support of a product end please look at: http://support.novell.com/lifecycle Then search by first Letter s. There you have an overview when the support of which product ends. Best regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen Ihno Krumreich P.S. Please tell me via personal email who told you this. Never trust a computer you can lift. -- Ihno Krumreich[EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Projectmanager S390 zSeries Maxfeldstr. 5 +49-911-74053-439 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Ihno and Hannes have already addressed the support question. In terms of SLES10, as discussed in this list, yes it is 64-bit only. IBM sees that most of its customers have upgraded to zSeries machines, so they wanted to cut the cost of supporting the 31-bit versions of the code they maintain. For those of us that don't have a bunch of zSeries machines laying around, that means we're effectively cut off from using SLES10 and RHEL5 and above. Which leaves Debian/390 and Slack/390, of course (or Hercules), but still... Sigh. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ranga Nathan Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:00 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: SLES9 out of support? Novell tells me that SLES9 is out of support! Most of us are running SLES9 and some SLES8! They released SLES10 only just and only for s390x, whatever that means! Is it 64 bit? How can Novell sunset SLES9 so quickly? -- __ Ranga Nathan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Post, Mark K wrote: Ihno and Hannes have already addressed the support question. In terms of SLES10, as discussed in this list, yes it is 64-bit only. IBM sees that most of its customers have upgraded to zSeries machines, so they wanted to cut the cost of supporting the 31-bit versions of the code they maintain. For those of us that don't have a bunch of zSeries machines laying around, that means we're effectively cut off from using SLES10 and RHEL5 and above. Which leaves Debian/390 and Slack/390, of course (or Hercules), but still... Sigh. Mark Post As Carsten has posted before; IBM still develops for s390, it is Redhat and Novel that have cut the cost of supporting the 31-bit versions of the code they maintain. Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Novell and Red Hat did that at the encouragement of IBM, i.e., they're no longer paying them to produce a 31-bit platform for the mainframe. Hence, lower costs. The IBM developers at some point will stop testing changes on 31-bit systems. No QA, lower costs, etc., etc. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:21 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? Post, Mark K wrote: Ihno and Hannes have already addressed the support question. In terms of SLES10, as discussed in this list, yes it is 64-bit only. IBM sees that most of its customers have upgraded to zSeries machines, so they wanted to cut the cost of supporting the 31-bit versions of the code they maintain. For those of us that don't have a bunch of zSeries machines laying around, that means we're effectively cut off from using SLES10 and RHEL5 and above. Which leaves Debian/390 and Slack/390, of course (or Hercules), but still... Sigh. Mark Post As Carsten has posted before; IBM still develops for s390, it is Redhat and Novel that have cut the cost of supporting the 31-bit versions of the code they maintain. Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Post, Mark K wrote: Novell and Red Hat did that at the encouragement of IBM, i.e., they're no longer paying them to produce a 31-bit platform for the mainframe. Hence, lower costs. The IBM developers at some point will stop testing changes on 31-bit systems. No QA, lower costs, etc., etc. Mark Post Keep this in perspective please Mark. There are still _years_ of support for s390 from both the vendors and IBM. Existing customers have time to plan an upgrade to zSeries. Yes, ultimately 31bit will fade away, but older used zSeries machines will come onto the market too ;-) In years memory will become cheaper, so why stay with 31bit anyway? Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about: being able to run the most current versions of SLES and RHEL on current machinery. The cost of memory was never the reason for people not to move to zSeries. That was just one component of the reason. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:02 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? -snip- Keep this in perspective please Mark. There are still _years_ of support for s390 from both the vendors and IBM. Existing customers have time to plan an upgrade to zSeries. Yes, ultimately 31bit will fade away, but older used zSeries machines will come onto the market too ;-) In years memory will become cheaper, so why stay with 31bit anyway? Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Post, Mark K wrote: Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about: being able to run the most current versions of SLES and RHEL on current machinery. The cost of memory was never the reason for people not to move to zSeries. That was just one component of the reason. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:02 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? -snip- Keep this in perspective please Mark. There are still _years_ of support for s390 from both the vendors and IBM. Existing customers have time to plan an upgrade to zSeries. As I understand it, G5 and G6 hardware support ends the end of this year. Therefore, only zSeries hardware will be within support, which leads to the s390 code being let go. How long developers support it is unknown, but users would be down to third-party hardware support, much less software support. Kim Goldenberg -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Post, Mark K wrote: Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about: being able to run the most current versions of SLES and RHEL on current machinery. The cost of memory was never the reason for people not to move to zSeries. That was just one component of the reason. Mark Post I understand your point Mark, but others on the list may simply be reading the Subject line. (In which case you are only adding to the FUD created by the originator of this thread.) And regarding the Subject line SLES9 support _is_ what we are discussing. Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
From: Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Other than for VSE/ESA 2.7, ALL IBM operating systems for 31-bit are now out of service (or very close to it). This includes z/OS and z/VM (V4 goes out of service in 2 weeks). Our strategy is all new development is 64-bit only, and Novell and Red Hat are working in in synch with us on this. IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and later kernels). FWIW, VSE/ESA 2.7 will be withdrawn from service on 02/28/2007. The current z/VSE 3.1 is still 31-bit also, though. z/VSE 4.1 will be the first 64-bit version, no availability date on that yet. http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zvse/about/status.html or http://tinyurl.com/hckd9 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and later kernels). Jim Jim, are you saying that the whatsnew (Patches 6 and 7) can _NOT_ be used to build an s390 2.6.16 kernel? See http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/linux390/whatsnew.html Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Mark Perry wrote: Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and later kernels). Jim Jim, are you saying that the whatsnew (Patches 6 and 7) can _NOT_ be used to build an s390 2.6.16 kernel? See http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/linux390/whatsnew.html Mark Sorry Jim, no need to answer. URL: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/linux390/october2005_technical.html States: Starting with the October 2005 stream IBM supports only 64-bit distributions; 31-bit applications are supported on the 31-bit emulation layer. So your statement is correct. Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Wait! Godwins Law in effect! No one has brought up Hitler or Nazi's! Discussion still open. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Post, Mark K Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:19 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? If subject lines dictated email content, this would be a vastly different world and mailing list. If that's the best retort available, I guess we've pretty much finished the discussion. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:05 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? Post, Mark K wrote: Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about: being able to run the most current versions of SLES and RHEL on current machinery. The cost of memory was never the reason for people not to move to zSeries. That was just one component of the reason. Mark Post I understand your point Mark, but others on the list may simply be reading the Subject line. (In which case you are only adding to the FUD created by the originator of this thread.) And regarding the Subject line SLES9 support _is_ what we are discussing. Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
No, he's been contradicted by the Boeblingen guys before about this. By specifying CONFIG_64BIT=y or not, you can get a 64-bit or 31-bit kernel. Otherwise my Slack/390 systems wouldn't be able to generate 31-bit 2.6 kernels, and I most certainly can. The thing about the 2.6 kernels is that there is no separation between s390 and s390x files as there used to be. They're all in one architecture sub-tree (s390) and can be compiled as either 31 or 64-bit. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:13 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES9 out of support? Mark Perry wrote: Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IBM no longer provides updates for Linux for 31-bit (for the 2.6.16 and later kernels). Jim Jim, are you saying that the whatsnew (Patches 6 and 7) can _NOT_ be used to build an s390 2.6.16 kernel? See http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/linux390/whatsnew.html Mark Sorry Jim, no need to answer. URL: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/linux390/october2005_technic al.html States: Starting with the October 2005 stream IBM supports only 64-bit distributions; 31-bit applications are supported on the 31-bit emulation layer. So your statement is correct. Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 out of support?
Post, Mark K wrote: No, he's been contradicted by the Boeblingen guys before about this. By specifying CONFIG_64BIT=y or not, you can get a 64-bit or 31-bit kernel. Otherwise my Slack/390 systems wouldn't be able to generate 31-bit 2.6 kernels, and I most certainly can. The thing about the 2.6 kernels is that there is no separation between s390 and s390x files as there used to be. They're all in one architecture sub-tree (s390) and can be compiled as either 31 or 64-bit. Mark Post Hi Mark, that's how I remembered the previous posts from BB Dev., hence my quick response to Jim. I then thought that Jim wouldn't make such a post without something on an IBM website to back up his statement. As IBM does not _directly_ produce, market or sell Linux, it is interesting that they would make _any_ statement on a webpage regarding _support_ for Linux. It was my understanding that IBM only offered support for Redhat or Novel zLinux, and not for the downloadable patches per se. I guess you would have to be an IBM lawyer to understand what IBM can or can't say regarding Linux ;-) Mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
