Linux-Advocacy Digest #363
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 14:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: More micro$oft customer service (T. Max Devlin) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (T. Max Devlin) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (BrendaLee) Re: More microsoft innovation (Peter Hayes) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Peter Hayes) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ian Pegel) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Chris Street) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Mayor Of R'lyeh) Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Rotten168) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Woofbert) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: More microsoft innovation (Macman) Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:01:32 GMT Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Yes, it does. It adds new hyperlinks to the user's representation of the web page. Who controls what hyperlinks are added? Microsoft and whoever pays them enough money. Actualy, this part isn't so. As is typical for MS, SmartTags are a plug-in architecture. Anyone who wants to can write new ones. And hope that there product doesn't threaten MS in any way, shape or form. Then they'll find their plug-in will suddenly become incompatible with the next release of any MS software. Paying MS is not required. Paying obeisance is still mandatory. Though MS can and no doubt will provide their own, included as standard. And churned as necessary to monopolize, as well. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:01:34 GMT Said Dave Martel in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:49:51 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:25:29 GMT, Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:46:38 GMT, Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's not like they're being redirected there from my site, so I'm not too concerned Unlike some people, I can look at this problem from more points of view than only my own. They may be redirected from my customers' web sites, so I am concerned. Personally I think this is all much ado about nothing, I'm amazed at how staunchly you defend nothing. One for and one against hardly counts as a staunch anything. 'That makes it a new work (and) you are not allowed to do that under copyright law,' Gross said. While Gross said she would need to see the Smart Tags in action to determine whether they cross the derivative work threshold, she warned that Microsoft is, at the very least, dancing dangerously close to the line. And even if the Smart Tags don't violate copyright law, Gross said, they could put Microsoft on the wrong side of regulations preventing deceptive trade practices. snip Well, there you go. I guess itwas something after all. It'll be fun to watch what happens, but legal or not you can be sure that Microsoft's army of lawyers has already examined all the legal angles and concluded they can delay any lawsuits until hell freezes over. They've already claimed ownership over any works which exist on their servers. So the obvious legal tactic is to extend the claim to the client. After all, they are not forcing you to use IE, so they have a right to control anything that you do use IE for, don't they? -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:01:39 GMT Said Erik Funkenbusch
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #363, Volume #34Wed, 9 May 01 12:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Roberto Alsina) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Craig Kelley) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Lee Hollaar) Re: Linux Users...Why? (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Linux Users...Why? (Dave Martel) Re: the Boom, Boom department (Brian Langenberger) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: IE (Michael Pye) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:42:05 -0400 The Ghost In The Machine wrote: In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sat, 05 May 2001 18:19:25 GMT NuXI6.6002$[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Daniel Johnson wrote: You seem quite fixated on your opinion that Microsoft has transgressed the letter of the law in producing a better What better product would that be? That'd be Windows. Actually, I'd say Windows + Office. Or perhaps Microsoft BackOffice, which is NT4 + Exchange -- I don't know what the Win2000 variant is. Windows by itself is a foundation; Office makes the house comfortable. (And dangerous, with all of the stupid script kiddies and their trojans/worms. But hey, anything for convenience. :-) ) BTW, why do you thnk they signed that first consent decree? They thought they could avoid being sued. Wrongly, as it turned out. Yep. It's odd. Does it not occur to you that perhaps the law might not so good? Tell that to Stac, Digital Research, Vobis, Go Computing, Intuit, the FTC, the DOJ, and the several States Attorneys General. I think the DoJ and the attorneys general, at least, *need* to be told that they are out of line, yes. Well, for some oddball reason, the suit hasn't been thrown out. Maybe Microsoft can appeal to the Supreme Court -- they sure should have enough dough to do so. maybe you are right. Maybe it isnt ough enough. Micro$oft keeps slipping through. Fortunately. This country isn't quite as corrupt as it looks, sometimes. No, we're [*] merely stupid and gullible. :-) We apparently think Office is the best out there, that Windows is the best out there, that the x86 PCI PC platform is the best out there, that 99.999% is a good uptime, and that what's good for Microsoft is good for the country. :-) However, I think we're learning. (I'll admit I wish we could learn a little faster, and IBM's rather odd Peace/Love/Linux black-background billboard is this side of peculiar. I'm not even sure it provides a contact phone number?) Personally, I use Office -- and it is convenient, when it doesn't do something peculiar. It has some weird ideas where to put messages, as well; the setup for puting messages on one's local disk -- a capability Netscape has more or less *by default* -- took a half dozen operations, some of which required changing the properties on the Microsoft Outlook Icon to include the personal archive files desired to store messages in! And people wonder why their Exchange mail spools run out of space... It also tends to violate conventions of posting-at-bottom when used as a newsreader. I'm also not quite sure, when replying to a message, whether it'll use a fixed text font or Rich Text Format. (There's probably a control, somewhere...) This is bodgery of the highest order. I'd award Microsoft the Golden Raspberry of Hacking Around The Latest Workaround of a Bug, [+] but am afraid they'd publicize it in one of their publications and make oodles by marketing it as The Newest Thing Since Unix. :-/ [*] there are some exceptions to the we, mind you; many of them post on these newsgroups. I do use Office, Visual Studio, and Internet Explorer. I also use Cygwin (which includes things such as mv, cp, vi, and ls) and Samba. I suspect a few others are in a similar boat. [+] it would actually be painted yellow; no point in wasting real gold on such a, erm, prestigious award. :-) Brown would be a more.appropriate color. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random Bronx Cheer here -- OK, so I was born in upstate New York; I can still use it, can't I? :-) EAC code #191 8d:03h:03m actually running Linux. This is a voluntary signature virus. Send this to somebody. -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #363, Volume #33Wed, 4 Apr 01 19:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Raoul
Duke***)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Raoul
Duke***)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Trevor Zion Bauknight)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:57:45 GMT
Said JS PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:50:06 -0400;
"Alan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:28:32 -0400, "JS PL" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, your dimness, It happened when I installed Windows SE. not IE5, as
I
have said numerous times in the past. I don't even think IE5 beta was out
when the Viper V550 hit the market.
The problem was most apparent in IE. And I have never mentioned "IE5"
dumbass. So "what changed" was the Windows OS.
Ohh...and
If you'd like to use the flawed logic that it's Windows SE (a newly
released
OS at the time) that is broken when it won't run the Viper V550 video
card
without sporadic screen freezes, then you can go ahead and use that
reasoning on Linux. Because at the same time in history I was also trying
to
get Caldera Open Linux installed and it wouldn't run the video card at
all!
BTW, Linux wouldn't run my modem either, or my sound card come to think
of
it.
Number 1, Win 98 SE that you are referring to was not a new OS. It was
a bug fix/feature pack to Win 98. The Viper 550 worked great in
Win98, but didn't in SE? What changed?
Call it what you like.
No answer to the question?
Number 2, why are you trying to change the subject to Linux when MS is
the one who changed their software causing all this stuff to break.
All your post says is that Linux didn't support it.
Causing "all" what stuff to break? This seems to be more of a problem to
everyone else here than it was for me. The screen froze a few times, plus I
couldn't get the card to run under Linux. Didn't want to wait six months for
some hack to write a half assed driver for it in Linux so I just switched
cards. Two problems fixed in under ten minutes.
What about the "missing headers" problem you had? That was the problem
I recall you complaining about. Never did figure out what precisely it
meant, but you indicated that you could not view the subject lines of
messages in newsgroups. That was the bug which showed up with IE5
(whether that meant 'in' or 'in conjunction with', I can't say) which
you said was "fixed" by replacing the video card. (Which, needless to
say, is when I started pointing out this ridiculous example of
brain-dead Windroid thinking, which is why I remember it so clearly.)
Number 3, why didn't you just download the patch from the Diamond
Mulitmedia site?
That doesn't cure the Linux problem does it?
There was no Linux problem.
Number 5, I had a similar problem when I downloaded IE5 as part of
some other software I bought. Since I couldn't uninstall the offending
software, I looked for updates to the video card. Sure enough, I found
them and fixed the problem (and I havent fixed a major computer
problem since the late 1980s).
What product did you "buy" that adds IE5 to their DOWNLOAD?
Any product which "requires" IE5, of which there are many since
Microsoft used all the leverage at their disposal to force ISVs into
becoming dependent on IE5 by using its "features" in their products.
I've never
seen any company tack on a 60 meg file that's available for free elsewhere
anyway!
Smells like pitiful quibbling, to me. Does any of this matter, Ayende?
Don't bother with "it shows he...", because it doesn't show squat except
that you are quibbling.
[...]
Anyone can swap cards, a true professional identifies the problem and
fixes it.
That's what I did. And I did it in ten minutes. And it allowed me to dual
boot into Linux. Killed two birds with one stone! God damn I'm awesome!
No, you're the proud victim of a predatory monopoly, you putz.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
From: Raoul Duke*** [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.p
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Feb 01 22:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Who said NT was stable ! ("Andy Walker")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (John Rudd)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Tim Hanson)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Bloody Viking)
Re: Allchin backtracks, now likes open source ("Adam Warner")
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Peter da Silva)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Tim Hanson)
How much do you *NEED*? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Allchin backtracks, now likes open source ("Adam Warner")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Theo de Raadt)
Re: Interesting article ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Bob Hauck)
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:57:23 -0500
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
John Rudd wrote:
If you want to just admit that you're being rude, no problem. But don't
try to shift the issue on to the reader. Own up to your being rude and
arrogant.
Well spoken.
And i am very sure, that asshole A R Kulkis will just ignore it or come
back with this shitty explanation, that then he will be stalked again by
those guys he has in his SIG.
Why do you think I wrote it in the first place?
IF they do, one has to ask who is to blame?
I think this asshole Kulkis is just an oxygene thief.
Peter, I'm stealing your oxygen right now.
--
The sticker on the side of the box said "Supported Platforms: Win 95,
Win NT 4.0 or better", so clearly Linux was a supported platform.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
From: "Andy Walker" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Who said NT was stable !
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:20:37 -
Had an interesting problem yesterday, I tried to load an Excel spreadsheet
from a floppy which appeared to be corrupt. Every time I tried to load it,
the entire machine dumped out !
Would you take this seriously as an operating system in a critical
enviroment when it can't even cope with a dodgy floppy disk (and no, there
was no virus on it).
This isn't the first time this has happened and I doubt it will be the last
but if they can't even correct bugs like this I'm not surprised most
internet servers use Linux!
--
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:09:02 -0800
From: John Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
ZnU wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try the 'N' key and see what happens.
Nothing. And why should I need to change how I read news just for your
sake?
Exactly. Netiquette places the burden, in this case, upon the poster
and not the reader.
Are you now being deliberately obnoxious? You've just posted a string of
one line posts with your 38 line .sig.
Not to mention the lack of quote trimming.
--
John "kzin" Rudd
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363, Volume #31 Wed, 10 Jan 01 03:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: kernel problems (TTK Ciar)
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Sphinx367")
Re: RPM Hell (BradyBear)
Re: KDE Hell (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: RPM Hell (BradyBear)
Dumping Novell for Linux (almost).. ("ID")
Re: RPM Hell (BradyBear)
Re: RPM Hell (BradyBear)
Re: RPM Hell (BradyBear)
Re: RPM Hell (BradyBear)
Re: RPM Hell (BradyBear)
Re: Dumping Novell for Linux (almost).. ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Dumping Novell for Linux (almost).. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) )
(TTK Ciar)
Re: open source is getting worst with time. (Stuart Fox)
Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time? (Stuart Fox)
Re: Microsoft releases Games console (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time? (Stuart Fox)
Re: Linux *has* the EDGE! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: KDE Hell (Donn Miller)
Re: Linux *has* the EDGE! (Pete Goodwin)
From: TTK Ciar
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: kernel problems
Date: 10 Jan 2001 05:24:45 GMT
Once upon a time, "Kyle Jacobs" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Microsoft's support site is a thousands times better than anything the
LDP could squeeze out of it's ass in a century.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Microsoft support costs
money, and a lot of it. If a Linux user wants to spend money on
support, they can buy it through RedHat or one of the other Linux
service companies.
The *free* support for Linux is much better than the *free*
support for Windows.
-- TTK
--
From: "Sphinx367" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: you dumb. and lazy.
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:47:49 GMT
I think he's got ya there, adam!! ;-) Oh, BTW, was that a 1996 Chevy Impala
or big-block 1966??? What's the engine size? Is it naturally aspirated, or
super/turbo-charged?
--
Bryant Charleston
MIS
5/6 MCSE
Linux Enthusiast (newbie)
Black '88 Mustang 5.0
.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:07:48 GMT, "adam"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if you are THAT upset about driving stick shift don't drive a
sportscar...
I drive a 1996 Chevy Impala SS fully modified putting out somewhere in
the neighborhood of 400HP.
Would you like to race sometime?
I regularly eat for lunch yuppies driving Boxsters heading to the
Hampton's to hob knob with the movie stars. It's actually quite funny
watching them try and swear in German. I have to wonder how many of
them are running Linux? But then again, the majority of them are
investment bankers(if they are not movie stars) and in that world it
is all Windows or real Unix. Linux need not apply.
stick around though, im sure a distro will come along in the future that
will suite your lazy needs. mandrake may not be the easiest for a
windows/mac monkey like yourself, but its a huge piece of cake compared
to
other distros..
Unlike you, I prefer end results and not the method used to attain
them. To use your automobile analogy, I am halfway down the 1/4 mile
before the idiot in the Boxster has figured out where first gear is.
It's all about ease of use and applications and Linux has neither.
you dumb!
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the to reply.
--
From: BradyBear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RPM Hell
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:48:48 GMT
On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 08:41:13 GMT, "kiwiunixman"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
rpm -i --nodeps --replace *.rpm
kiwiunixman
while using --nodeps may enable me to install the .rpm in question, it
probably isn't a good idea. The dependancies are there for a reason.
If I don't install them, at best the rpm I'm trying to install won't
work, and most probably I'll find that quite a few other things won't
work either. The point of my original post was simply that installing
updates via rpm is one big PIA.
But thanks for the input.
_
BradyBear
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: 10 Jan 2001 06:48:59 GMT
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 04:41:35 GMT, Kyle Jacobs wrote:
I guess you haven't used FreeBSD then.
I've used OpenBSD.
FreeBSD kicks Linux into it's deserved corner as a server through
unification AND technology.
Explain how. (I'm waiting...)
Firstly, FreeBSD isn't a terrible Hodge-podge of everyone's different
library files (dll hell for Linux).
Fact: most of the libraries used on the BSD are the same as those used
on Linux. For example, the C++ library is the same. Other libraries
such as Qt, GTK, X11, etc are the same as their Linux counterparts.
You're simply wrong about this.
FreeBSD
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #363, Volume #29 Sat, 30 Sep 00 03:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: How low can they go...? (Chris Sherlock) Re: How low can they go...? (Chris Sherlock) Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin) Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin) Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin) Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin) Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin) Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin) Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin) Re: How low can they go...? (.) Re: Windows+Linux+MacOS = BeOS (.) Re: Windows+Linux+MacOS = BeOS (.) Re: Windows+Linux+MacOS = BeOS (.) Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? (Bob Hauck) Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Bob Hauck) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:55:55 +1000 From: Chris Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: How low can they go...? "Seán Ó Donnchadha" wrote: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I hope you're prepared for the inevitable Devlin bullshit response: "I refuse to seek out alternatives to monopoly crapware. If there were a free market, I wouldn't have to." Yea, that pretty much sums it up. Congratulations on having gotten that far. Heh. At this point I bet I can do Devlin bullshit even better than Devlin himself can do Devlin bullshit... Then it wouldn't really be "Devlin bullshit" then, would it? That would be more like "making up crap". Chris -- Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:03:38 +1000 From: Chris Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: How low can they go...? James, what's the deal with the formatting of your posts? Chris James Stutts wrote: "T. Max Devlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Said James Stutts in comp.os.linux.advocacy; snip Speaking, I'm sure, for the majority of the US that doesn't live in California, I couldn't care less what the citizens of San Diego agree to. I used to live in a town with only one cable service (and a private electrical company). I never really had an issue with the electrical service, but cable service was lousy. The only option was satellite. Instead of whining about it to the world, as you seem want to do, one either accepted the poor service or chose the alternative. I have no idea what you're referring to. You brought up cable companies. I was drawing an analogy between the "choice" situation for broadcast services and OS. That's not hard to follow. one, as there is little value in pretending to support competitive markets in a necessary utility with huge capitalization costs. [...] Sounds like your complaint is really with your boss, not Microsoft. Perhaps MS is just an easier target for your venting. Sounds to me like you're a moron. Ahh, here we go. I apparently hit the nail on the head. You apparently are grossly ignorant of reality. What reality? The one where Microsoft has been convicted of multiple felonies. The Supreme Court will answer that. Your chief complaint seems to be that you are "forced" to use the laptop provided by your employer as your home computer. I've never complained in particular about my laptop; this is a troll which others have raised in a vain attempt to defend a criminal monopoly. What criminal monopoly? Have you ever priced Windows (actual purchase cost) to the competition? Have you ever bought Solaris (before the recent near giveway) or IRIX? The haven't raised prices. If anything, their prices have dropped. You could actually BUY one, like most of the world. Then the OS would be your choice. Don't complain about something that's free. It sure as hell wasn't 'free'. I don't spend "the company's money" Your employer paid for it. You didn't. To you, it was free. without reason. I demanded they buy NT because I refused to use 98 and I could supposedly run the products of my trade on it, as well as You have a trade, Max? What is that? maintain compatibility with the non-interoperable Microsoft solutions which they'd implemented "because its free", or a monopoly, depending on your perspective. It doesn't have to cost money to "avoid the monopoly". Avoiding the monopoly is a cost to me; money, time, and compatibility in an un-ending parade of reasons why monopolization is illegal. Making life convenient for you isn't the basis of the law.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363, Volume #28 Sat, 12 Aug 00 17:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Gutenberg (Arthur Frain)
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company (Joseph)
Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company ("JS/PL")
Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? (Courageous)
Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG (Jim Richardson)
Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest (Jim Richardson)
Re: Changing LILO in Mandrake? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish. (Jim Richardson)
Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? (Mike Marion)
Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? (Courageous)
From: Arthur Frain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gutenberg
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:53:39 -0700
Jacques Guy wrote:
Arthur Frain wrote:
But for someone arguing that Gutenberg was not
an innovator, it would be more interesting to
explain why no books were printed *before*
Gutenberg.
Well, books were printed before Gutenberg, but in
Korea. Koreans were the first to invent movable
type and use it, in the 12th century, if memory
serves. Some argue that movable type was invented
much earlier, probably in Crete. Do a search
on "Phaistos disk" and find out. Fascinating
stuff.
Then one question would be did the Koreans
first invent books, and then invent movable
type to produce them? The answer doesn't
make a whole lot of difference anyway.
Movable type was a major innovation regardless
of whether it enabled the printing of books,
or was invented because of the prior invention
of books.
Additionally how wide was the influence of
the Korean invention (or earlier inventions
if they existed), and was Gutenberg aware
of the existence of Korean movable type and
Korean books?
"History" is very often wrong about priority
of invention, but that's only important if
you're trying to prove some point about
individualism or cultural superiority.
Arthur
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:19:29 -0700
From: Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company
JS/PL wrote:
"Joseph" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I'm relating my experiences, Window 2000 Advanced Server is extremely
reliable, as a matter of fact I've not had a single OS related problem.
You haven't any credibility.
You have no concept of credibility.
Of course I do -- I disgaree with you.
What's nonsense about that, I have yet to see any proof to the contrary
by
anyone. What is nonsense is the constant reliability bashing with without
a
shred of supporting documentation.
You don't understand the word PROVEN.
A PROVEN technology is one that has proven itself. W2K is NOT proven
reliable
by default -- unless one is irrational.
You don't work for Websters do you? Your definition of "proven" aside,
I
don't even really think W2K is even best described a "technology". Maybe an
Operating System in general or a modern computer as a whole could be termed
"a technology" but it's pretty hard pressed to be calling a specific OS a
"technology", it's much closer to "a product".So re-write your argument
again and I'll take a look at it.
Let me show you a slam dunk.
MS NT is short hand for Microsoft Windows New Technology.
[No folks I'm not paying this guy -- he's doing it for free.]
I'm sure Hotmail will be running a version of W2K now that MS is
finishing
Window2000 Data Center and will NEED to test W2K DC on HotMail. That's
good
since the OS needs to be tested before customers will deploy the OS.
MS
isn't going to use the toy verion of W2K you said is stable but I
suppose
these
differences don't register with you.
Depending on your definition of tested.
Tested as in Windows2000 Data Center is just released to manufacturing --
it is untested in real settings.
What is "untested in real settings"? More importantly, tell me what the
method of testing has been used to date? Theoretical testing? Pen and paper
testing? You mean to tell they have written one version, figured out that
according to the math, it ought to work, compiled it and sent it to the CD
machines.
I submit to you that it has been tested and refined at nauseum in "real
world settings".
Non-Credible. You're a bad liar.
Windows 2000 Data Center wasn't finished until this month. It's unproven and
not tested in real world settings -- MS Hotmail will be a great place to work
out all the bugs.
Windows2000 Data Center
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363, Volume #27 Tue, 27 Jun 00 10:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Mike Connell)
Corel Does Nothing To Help The Linux Cause (Tom Loach)
Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about. (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Comparing Windows NT and UNIX System Management ("Jonathan Fosburgh")
Re: Corel Does Nothing To Help The Linux Cause (Martijn Bruns)
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (Donal K. Fellows)
Anti-Human Libertarians Endorse Fraud Practiced By Microsoft And Other Big Business
(Mark S. Bilk)
Re: W2K BSOD's documented *not* to be hardware (Was: lack of goals. ("Hoobajoob")
Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server (Bob Hauck)
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: slashdot (salvador peralta)
Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy (salvador
peralta)
RE: OS's ... ("Pedro Iglesias")
RE: OS's ... ("Pedro Iglesias")
RE: OS's ... ("Pedro Iglesias")
Re: Linux, easy to use? (abraxas)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (abraxas)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (abraxas)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (abraxas)
Re: OS's ... (abraxas)
Re: Comparing Windows NT and UNIX System Management (Bill Vermillion)
From: Mike Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: 27 Jun 2000 14:23:24 +0200
Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mike Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*You* might not be able to run KDE without Linux, but I beleive other
people can:
Um, I said KDE _on its own_.
Actually you said "Can I run KDE on its own without Linux perhaps?"
If you just meant "_on its own_", presumably meaning without any
operating system, computer, or physical universe then - no, you can't.
Of course, if that was your question why did you bother to write
"without Linux"?
best wishes,
Mike.
--
Mike Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] +46 (0)31 772 8572
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.flat222.org/mac/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Loach)
Subject: Corel Does Nothing To Help The Linux Cause
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:12:28 GMT
After reading about the Linux boom and wanting to keep up with trends
I decided to buy a Linux distribution. After looking around and
reading some reviews and because of the news of the merger between
Borland and Corel, I decided on Corel Linux.
I went out and bought a copy of Partition Magic and set up fee space
on my drive as per the Corel requirements and looked forward to an
easy installation. After all I had a Gateway pc, certainly a common
market band that Corel would have tested for compatability. But no
sooner than I started the install the process died, dead, nota,
nothing. Not to worry, because the edition of Corel I bought had
installation help via email available at no cost, with a two day turn
around time promised. Well now a week later, no return message. I
put a note out on Linux.misc and the response I got was this:
Hi - I've got the same problem along with thousands of others in the
newsgroups. No one seems to have an answer. Even Corel seems to be
hiding
from it. It's not the video card. I've tried everything I can possibly
think of. I have had no problems with RedHat.
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
So now the merger between Borland and Corel is as dead as my
installation process. I'm out a couple of bucks, but will probably
see about buying another linux distribution. That said, Corel is
doing the cause of linux no good by not properly supporting their
product. There might be a perfectly simple explanation of what's
happening, but from Corel's response you'd never know it. I may be
wrong, but I think if Linux is to make it in the market place, the
corporations who maket their distributions are going to have to offer
a simple and reliable product that the novice can easily install.
Regards,
Tom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about.
Date: 27 Jun 2000 12:27:26 GMT
In article 8j18ht$2vi$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In fact, nearly all of Microsoft's "Innovations" were blatently
lifted from the UNIX and Linux playbooks.
[...]
Multiple windows (which softees dispised until the release of
Windows 3.0),
[...]
Actually, multiple windows were available in Windows 2.0. Of course,
that sucked for separate reasons (no apps, slow, ugly and clunky
interface, etc.) so much that it was a veritable galactic-class black
hole next to the sucking-mighty-mountain-ranges-through-a-straw
suckiness of Windows 3.0...
The fact that it was a descendent of IBMs CUA stuff was much more
apparent then though. The "letz kloan da Mac"-type things were
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363
Linux-Advocacy Digest #363, Volume #26Thu, 4 May 00 14:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Questions about trace route? (Aaron Ginn)
Re: Government to break up Microsoft (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Dvorak calls Microsoft on 'innovation' (Wally Bass)
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots (JEDIDIAH)
Re: X Windows must DIE!!! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Arclight)
Re: Virus on the net? (Max Jester)
Oracle 8i and Mandrake 7.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Do us a favor and leave. (Was dreamers) ("Cihl")
Linux Installation from Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Damien)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...) (Perry Pip)
Re: Virus on the net? (Brian Langenberger)
From: Aaron Ginn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Questions about trace route?
Date: 04 May 2000 08:54:31 -0700
Donn Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pig wrote:
I am now using the Win98 and SuSE Linux.
I remember that there is a command name "trace route" or "route trace".
This cammand is like the command "ping".
Once I type
[command] www.ibm.com
The screen shows the route including the gateway, DNS, ... ...
As I forget the command,
Could you please help me to figure it out?
It's "traceroute". You could've just typed "trace" and then tab (if
you're using bash as your shell).
- Donn
You may not have traceroute in your path. In my distro (Mandrake 7.0),
it's in /usr/sbin which is not normally in a regular user's path.
Type 'locate traceroute' to find out where it is, and if it isn't in
your path, add it to your .bash_profile.
HTH,
Aaron
--
Aaron J. Ginn
Opinions mine, not Motorola's
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:21:21 GMT
On Thu, 04 May 2000 11:37:01 GMT, Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"JEDIDIAH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Microsoft can't take the credit for that. This again is something
where all the 3rd parties are doing the work. Individual ISPs make
it easy for WinDOS users to connect to their service.
And just how did the ISPs do that? Did they develop the "three click" system
on their own and then gave it to Microsoft? Doubtful to say the least. Prior
Actually, some of them hack netscape.
to any modem connection to the ISPs the OS needs to setup and initialize the
modem. Microsoft did make these steps easy on their own, without the help of
No. Those steps were relatively trivial even before Win9x.
You just needed to have a definitive list of init strings.
You could buy those from 3rd parties before Microsoft finally
decide to make that part of Windows 'more convenient' for
developers.
the ISPs. Windows user's don't need to read "Sane PPP documents" to use a
Windows users can't run their own ISP off of their PPP implemention
either. Mind you, I already soundly established this phenomenon as
a vendor support issue.
Try an 'interesting' network (like compuserve's) under Win9x.
modem. On the Linux side Caldera's 2.4 version, AFAIK the only one, does the
same as Windows. It correctly detects and sets up the US Robotics modem. To
make the connection to the web, enter the phone number and user's info and
off it goes. No need for editing cumbersome config files. 5 years after
Windows95, but nonetheless working just fine.
There were shiny happy PPP tools for Linux in 1995.
However, even under Win95 something would occasionally fall beyond
the bounds of where system developers had predicted. At times like
those you need to be able to look under the hood (even on Win95).
--
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/ | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: wallyb6@nospam (Wally Bass)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dvorak calls Microsoft on 'innovation'
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:29:22 GMT
On Wed, 3 May 2000 18:52:26 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'll give you the same challenge I gave Mig Mig. Prove that every one of
microsofts patents are prior art.
My, you're so generous with the feasibility of you challenges. Since
you are allowing your opponent to prevail merely by PROVING
the case on EVERY patent, I would be inclined to make an equally
generous offer to you! Why don't
