Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #34 Sat, 12 May 01 11:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Michael Vester) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Michael Vester) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Chad Myers) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Nigel Feltham) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Tom Wilson) Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Jeffrey L. Cooper) Re: Jan Says Win2k on par with UNIX/Linux (mlw) Re: No More Linux! (Nigel Feltham) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: No More Linux! (Nigel Feltham) Re: My plan worked! (Michael Vester) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Chad Everett) Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Roy Culley) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (Roy Culley) From: Ayende Rahien Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 05:05:49 +0200 Nigel Feltham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9djfe8$idfsu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Clusters actually tend to show LOWER uptimes because it averages the uptimes of all the machines in the cluster. Netcraft doesn't simply check if the server is up every so often, it actually determines the machines actual uptime from the machines packet signature. If this is true then look at which Win2k sites report the highest uptimes - they are all run by MS so is there any thing to stop them making their systems return false uptime data to fiddle the figures? Actually, those aren't the highest Win2K uptime figures, but those are the easiest to find. Had netcraft allowed any useful search through their database, it would've been possible to make true results. -- From: Michael Vester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:37:04 -0700 Jan Johanson wrote: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Here are a couple of Win2K servers that stayed up for a long time. http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=partnering3.microsoft.com 244 http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=download.windowsbeta.microsoft.com 216 http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=msdnisv.microsoft.com 189 http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=corporate.windowsupdate.microsoft.c om 189 http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=esl.one.microsoft.com 184 They are all clusters. Now, get, one, lone server loaded with Win2k Server, and then see the uptime. Matthew Gardiner I have one lone server loaded with W2K Server that has been running non-stop since Feb 17th 2000. It was rebooted one single time when SP1 was released, intentionally obviously, and never since. It has 100% uptime during the first period and continues 100% at this time. Are you starting to understand? W2K is reliable. A Windows 3.1/Dos 6 machine could stay up forever, just as long as you don't make it do anteing. My W2K machine at work locks up once or twice a day. It is used only as a terminal to Solaris, hardly a monumental task. -- Michael Vester A credible Linux advocate The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5 -- From: Michael Vester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:41:01 -0700 Jan Johanson wrote: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May 2001 On unclustered/clustered category, Win2K wins *both* price/performance performance. By pitting only clustered Windows against only unclustered Linux, mostly. given that linux has never posted a single TPC result - you are wrong, again. Are you volunteering to pay for Linux TPC testing. A small problem with open source, free operating systesm; nobody is standing by with a billion dollars to run it through all the hoops. I'm willing to be if you give me the url, it will be the very same page of numbers I looked at months ago. gee, www.tpc.org? You're just unaware of how sound a spanking Erik got when he brought it up back then. Go ahead, try to spank - you'll only be spanking your own monkey in the end... -- Michael Vester A credible Linux advocate The avalanche has started, it is too late
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #33Sun, 8 Apr 01 12:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Salvador Peralta)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Baseball ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Baseball (Chad Everett)
Re: Chimp in TV program downloads Linux to talk ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: Salvador Peralta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:24:33 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WGAF quoth:
I've never that happen in v2.1. I have application crashes, and
application lockups ( so far, only knode in v2.1 ), but that is a
simple PS -A, kill PID. Or XKill.
Hmm... Tha application locks up but you kill X. Did you say that the
X never locks up?
No. XKill is a graphical front end where you simply put the
skull and bones on the frozen app and click to kill it. Clearly you
don't even know what the tools are -- and that one has been around
for years.
You'd have similar functionality on windows, but application crashes
usually result in system crashes so probably no one ever thought of
it.
I said better integration between the browser and applications.
Can you specify that you want to use an image editor to open images
in
IE? Can you select what application you'd like to use to view
source? Can you specify what mail client you'd like to use? Which
news client? How much configuration can you do on your key
bindings?
Can you open zipped and gzipped files without uncompressing them?
Can you set HTTP user agent?
Sure you can, there's MS Outlook and Outlook Express mail clients.
So what you are saying is that IE is not as fully integrated with the
applications on your desktop as Konqueror. You cannot set key
bindings. You cannot select *ANY* mail client as the default. You
cannot select an image editor ( like Gimp ) to open images from the
browser. You cannot specify your newsreader, etc. you cannot even
view compressed files.
Thanks for clarifying that issue.
Simply untrue. The only application on my desktop that I do not
have full cut-and-paste capabilities with other applications is
Mozilla. And that's because the project made a poor choice of
widget sets to work with.
Therefore the copy/paste doesn't work doesn't work within apps on
the Linux platform.
Within 1 application. Works fine on the rest of the ones I have on
my desktop. What you are suggesting that you cannot copy and paste
at all, which is untrue and misleading. I can even paste from a
graphical app into a terminal window. Try that on windows.
Some people might justify spending a few hundred on that
piece of functionality. I cannot.
Really, how about Visio?
I use pic. With it I can do what visio does and a great deal more.
Tomcat can't hold a candle to Jrun 3.0. Etc, etc
lol.
As for Linux not
being a commercial desktop option until now, that in itself says a
lot about all of the arguments from last year.
I wasn't making that case last year beyond saying that Linux was more
stable and better for power users. Linux didn't surpass windows for
"average joe user" until kde 2.1.
I hope you have licenses for all of those copies. If not, you are
admitting to a criminal act in a public forum.
The licenses came with the PC from the OEM, which isn't really a
copy of W2K anyway just a restore CD. Nice of you to assume that I
don't have the necessary licenses, typical Linux mentality since
that's what you would've done.
I wouldn't have to worry about it. I can legally install as many
systems as I want off of a single copy of linux.
In any case, I didn't assume anything. I simply said I hope that all
of your copies are licensed. 6 OEM versions of PC's in a year? Very
few home users have the resources to purchase 6 new pc's in a year.
Are you sure you want to keep talking about this in a public forum?
Not at all. I've made the case for Linux being superior with the
applications that are bundled with it. If you'd like to make a
case for windows plus a bunch of commercial add-on's, don't forget
to throw in the costs associated with each purchase required to
bring it's suite of applications up to or above what I have for
free on linux.
And don't forget to mention that, just like with anything else you
get what you pay for.
Post the applications and their costs and we'll see whether that
holds water. I suspect that in most cases, it does not.
Which makes me wonder why microsoft simply isn't improving as
quickly.
That's funny...
Yes, it is.
You f
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #32 Sat, 24 Feb 01 14:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited ("B.B.")
M$ doing it again! ("Martigan")
Re: M$ doing it again! (Brent R)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Chris Kern)
Re: Interesting article ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Where is suse 7.1? ("surrender")
Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (peter)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Joona I Palaste)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Ian Pulsford)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Jan Francsi)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Bloody Viking)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited ("Jonathan Hendry")
From: "B.B." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:16:48 -0600
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
@Did you know that we now have a larger percentage of our population
@behind bars than ANY other country on the face of the earth?
Yup, and Bush thinks it's necessary (maybe even good) to build more
prisons to hold more prisoners.
--
B.B. --I am not a goat! [EMAIL PROTECTED] @airmail.net
--
From: "Martigan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: M$ doing it again!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:24:35 GMT
Well it seems that good Ol' Bill is doing it again, and the world does
nothing!
M$ Claims it has created a new environment for Whistler which allows
users to customize their desk top...Like X ...now M$ is "claiming" partial
opensource. To me this is scary!
Laugh all you want BUT the average computer owner (whom shouldn't have
one) thinks that Bill is such a great person to realize the importance of
this. That fact is many people know about Linux, but they don't know WHAT
Linux is!
Bask Bill as much as you want, but he has something's that the Linux
Community doesn't...that is money and the power to push major companies
around.
I have moved from windows to Linux, I love Linux since I can do what I
want with it. But the average computer user doesn't even know how to read
HTML, C++ or Java!
The few whom do know think I'm crazy, but do they talk to the average
computer user? Does Linux have the praise from ZDNET, WIRED, CNN, or MSNBC?
That's were the mainstream is.
--
From: Brent R [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: M$ doing it again!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:32:44 GMT
Martigan wrote:
Well it seems that good Ol' Bill is doing it again, and the world does
nothing!
M$ Claims it has created a new environment for Whistler which allows
users to customize their desk top...Like X ...now M$ is "claiming" partial
opensource. To me this is scary!
Do you have a link for this? I need proof, because somehow I don't think
you're an impartial observer.
Laugh all you want BUT the average computer owner (whom shouldn't have
one) thinks that Bill is such a great person to realize the importance of
this. That fact is many people know about Linux, but they don't know WHAT
Linux is!
Well if the "average computer owner" didn't own a computer then they
would cease to be the "average computer owner".
Let me ask you this question: what is Linux?
Bask Bill as much as you want, but he has something's that the Linux
Community doesn't...that is money and the power to push major companies
around.
I have moved from windows to Linux, I love Linux since I can do what I
want with it. But the average computer user doesn't even know how to read
HTML, C++ or Java!
Well you don't need to know any of those things to run Linux. I'm not
sure what you're getting at.
Sorry but this just seems like zealotry and Gates-bashing. The
anti-Windows crowd has some good arguments but posts like this don't
lend them credibility.
--
Happy Trails
-Brent
=
http://rotten168.home.att.net
=
ICQ# 51265871
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Kern)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:57:03 GMT
On 24 Feb 2001 12:41:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) posted
the following:
Why isn't it in degrees as is the standard?
While degrees may be the standard for many people, mathemeticians
always (or nearly always) use radians.
-Chris
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From: "Ayende Rahien" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-wi
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #31 Sun, 14 Jan 01 10:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: You and Microsoft... ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? (Donn Miller)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (pip)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Giuliano Colla)
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? (pip)
Re: Linux *has* the EDGE! ("Tom Wilson")
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time? ("Bagpuss")
Re: SMB.conf File ("Bagpuss")
Open Source security holes (Pablo)
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 05:20:12 -0600
"Charlie Ebert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article 19L76.1172$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
"Charlie Ebert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article uGd76.288$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
"Nigel Feltham" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:93in2m$adklg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
The Windows setup files are all 8.3 conformant. We were talking
about
using
a network card, not a modem.
I thought we were talking about installing from the internet so both
netcards and modems are relevent here.
As if installing Linux via modem is feasible.
Funny you should ask this.
Debian will install over a modem and I just did this 2 weeks
ago. I put potato on a rural PC on a farm for a farmer.
The Debian install dials the phone, and the download takes
over night. If the phone line disconnects it redials
and apt-get restarts where it left off.
It's totally hands free and it doesn't miss a single bit.
Right. First, remote rural areas can't get 56K, thus you were connecting
at
speeds of under 33.6, probably under 28.8. Let's just say 28.8. Since
there are 10 bits in each byte over modem (8 bits, 1 start, 1 stop bit)
that's 2880 bytes a second. To download 100 meg would take 9.6 hours.
Even
a basic Linux machine will be at least 300 Meg, so that's over 27 hours,
or
more than a day. Not "overnight".
Total Bullcrap EF. They do!
56 K hot and read and the fiber line is just 2 miles away.
Ok charlie, you've just completely shot your credibility on this story (your
credibility is shot anyways, but on this story you're lying).
56K doesn't work with fiber lines. 56K works only on copper connected
directly to a CO because it takes advantage of the lack of analog to digital
conversion. If you've got fiber between you and the CO, you get multiple
A/D conversions and it totally screws your ability to get more than 33.6.
And YES overnight. Believe it bad boy.
Liar.
--
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OS-X GUI on Linux?
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 05:21:23 -0600
"J Sloan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
"mlw" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Here is a question for all us Linux people.
If Apple made the OS-X GUI GPL, and worked with RedHat, S.u.S.E, and
others to get it installable on various linux distributions, would you
consider it?
The problem is that X is so entrenched in Linux that it would be damn
near
impossible.
Not at all - X is way overkill for 95% of the users, who
really don't need a network-transparent, client/server
windowing system. A simple local GUI, similar to what's
on a windows pc, would likely suffice.
The intelligent design of Unix makes things like choice
of GUI totally orthogonal to the rest of the system.
Something like Quartz could be substituted for the X11
based system without much trouble.
You're crazy. All existing GUI apps would not work with Quartz because the
existing apps use sockets to connect to the GUI.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OS-X GUI on Linux?
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 05:23:07 -0600
"mlw" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
"mlw" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Here is a question for all us Linux people.
If Apple made the OS-X GUI GPL, and worked with RedHat, S.u.S.E, and
others to get it installable on various linux distributions, would you
consider it?
The problem is that X is so entrenched in Linux that it would be damn
near
impossible. Already there are Fram
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #30 Sun, 26 Nov 00 18:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: KDE2 (Matthias Warkus)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KDE2 (Matthias Warkus)
Re: KDE2 (Matthias Warkus)
Re: KDE2 (Matthias Warkus)
Re: C++ is very alive! (p@spamfree)
Re: C++ is very alive! (p@spamfree)
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (Pete Goodwin)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: KDE2
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:04:01 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:17:38 -0800...
...and Transport [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
haven't tried Gnome or any other windows mgr., but KDE works,
Neither GNOME nor KDE are window managers.
mawa
--
bald pit, n.:
what remains of the finely machined slits in a screw's head after
a cordless power screwdriver with way too much battery power and
way too hard a tip has gone berserk inside of it
--
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:12:33 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
"Giuliano Colla" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Ayende Rahien wrote:
Netscape 6 supports multiple POP severs, but I've not yet tested it
According to a review from one of the more known computer reporters in
here,
it sucks.
Of personal experiance (beta, though) it has the stability of a dove in
a
hurrican.
I gave a quick test (under linux) of beta's. Until PR3 they were just
for fun. PR3 appeared to be a reasonable beta (a little buggy, something
not implemented, but usable).
You may have different behavior under Windows, because the application
must handle a lot of issues which under Unix are handled by OS.
Probably, but after the disappotment 4 was, I'm not sure if I'll try it
until it's tested thourghfully.
Q) What was the main problem with Netscape 4.x??
A) It's not sold by a monopoly in Redmond, Washington owned by a megalomaniac.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:15:38 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
"Chris Ahlstrom" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Ayende Rahien wrote:
"Chad Mulligan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:PvST5.5571$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
BZZT Wrong answer, While Win2K does perform nicely with 128MB RAM
it
performs rather well with a mere 32-48MB RAM as well.
I also tested it on a 133 with 32MB (server version, you only need 64
for
the install) I wouldn't use it as my desktop, but it serves quite well
as a
small server.
You're using Windows 2000 Server on this machine. I truly don't
believe it. 2000 Pro's performance for me was intolerable on a similar
machine. Even Win98 on the same machine, with a 32MB memory injection
(total of 64 MB) sucks royally.
Yes, why not? It's not a desktop machine, it's a server.
Maybe you guys need to try Linux to see what a really responsive
system is like.
Add X, add Gnom
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 14:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Do Linux suXX??? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ("David T. Johnson")
Re: IBM announces 64-bit mainframes and 64-bit Linux for S/390 (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (.)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (.)
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ("David T. Johnson")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond (.)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Do Linux suXX???
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:39:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
on Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:50:51 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
...care for some healthy reading good folks?
ok here you have it:
http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/MontyManley/MontyManley15.html
Interesting. And how do we fix this "freeloader syndrome"?
Go back to Microsoft?
Make Linux closed-proprietary?
Encourage more users to join in and make quality contributions
of their own?
Encourage the development of a "super-code-sniffer" for increased QC/QA?
Switch to Java, where uniformity is almost guaranteed, as opposed to
C++ where different platforms have annoying idiosyncratic differences?
I'll admit, I am a little worried myself about Linux's direction, but
I rather doubt that a closed-end solution, like Windows 2000, is
the answer. Not that I'm sure what *is* the answer, at this time,
but I'm pretty sure W2K is not it -- although I suspect MS will make
pots of money from it (and it is both more reliable and has more features
than NT4, its immediate predecessor, from all accounts that I have
read).
One issue I have with Linux is that the documentation is fragmented:
do I look in /usr/doc, 'man', 'info', HTML, or the ultimate in
documentation, the source code? Still, it's not that bad, although
reading it on occasion does require a bit of technical expertise
on one's system that many newbies may not have -- for example, that
a 16550 is a serial UART (so is a 16650, turns out -- and that one
is the one I have on my firewall and it can go 4x as fast; setserial
works like a champ :-) ).
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and Free Internet?
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:27:22 GMT
In article 8rfm29$r59$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article 8rdbjh$26rc$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't been able to spare $20 a month in several
years for regular Internet service, so I've had to
use several "Free ISP" internet service providers.
Unfortunately, all of the "free internet" (i.e.,
ad-bar) services only have software for the Windoze
9Whatever OSes. So I've been in the irritating
position of requiring a multi-boot computer for
years, and booting into Windoze to get on the
Internet. Freewwweb.com used to exist to provide
non-ad-bar Internet for Linux users, but they
recently merged with Juno and now Juno is the only
company.
If you want to get Linux on the desktops and laptops
of the world, you need to get *any* of the Free
Internet companies to create a version for Linux.
Linux has software to replace every single Micro$oft
application. If you could advertise that Linux
essentially "comes with" free internet service,
Linux usage would increase. A clever licensing
agreement could even put the "free isp" software on
the distribution CD itself.
Oh I see. In order for linux to 'succeed' (whatever
that means), it has to make YOU happy.
You're right, I didn't say that right. "You" *should*,
rather than need, to get free internet for Linux. Also,
as far as success is concerned, I just think it would be
faster with free internet than without it. Right now,
Linux is proceeding at a decent pace. Add in free internet,
and Linux would get its own jet.
Do you have any marketing data to back up this assertion?
Well yes: when you give something away for free, something
good like the Internet, you tend to have more takers than
when you don't give something away for free.
Right now Win9x has an advantage over Linux: you'll pay about
$150-$200 initially, but you'll get free internet. With Linux,
you pay $30-$80 for the CD, and then you'll have to shell out
another $240 a year for the Internet Access.
This means that within one year, the Win9x investment has paid
for itself and saved you another $40 extra; while the Linux
investment has cost you $270-$320 with no end in sight for
the expens
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 09:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Notebook/Windows rebate? (Ray Chason)
Re: Windows has made me stupid !!! Thanks, Bill. (Windows is worst than (Glitch)
Re: Maximum Linux (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: MSN Drops Newsgroup Support (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: "pure" Linux?? (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: WA - UNIX System Admin - Wanted (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: C# is a copy of java (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Lee Hollaar)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Lee Hollaar)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Andrew J. Brehm)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: It's official, Microsoft® porting applications to Linux (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (rj friedman)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (rj friedman)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? (Perry Pip)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you! (Perry Pip)
From: Ray Chason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Notebook/Windows rebate?
Date: 17 Aug 2000 07:53:26 GMT
"Colin R. Day" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But isn't an OEM of Windows bound to the computer? Selling the
OS separately in private may be a good idea, but doing it publicly
over the net is exposing your butt to the wrath of Microsoft.
A German court recently ruled that this was legal. That, of course, is
only of help if you live in Germany.
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/07/07/000707hnunbundle.xml
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People should respect the law, and the law should respect people.
Delenda est Windoze
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:17:44 -0400
From: Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows has made me stupid !!! Thanks, Bill. (Windows is worst than
I think it's fine. Someday, Computer will like Tv todays, We don't need
to know what's in it, it's just a tool. On the other hand, nobody can
Even Tv's have repairmen though.
know it totally because it's made by hundreds of engineers.
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: Maximum Linux
Date: 4 Aug 2000 15:45:28 +0200
In article 8md755$jei$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Steve Mading [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reason people (including me) keep saying "X Windows" even
though it is "wrong" is because it's faster and rolls off the
tounge better. It's not my fault that the makers of X failed
to make the official names handy to pronounce. Sure, I could
say "X" but that's a bit too generic and sounds like I'm trying
to be generic on purpose when I say it (like calling it "foo").
"X11" isn't well known enough to be a good name for it either.
Don't get me wrong, I like this, err, thingy. I just really
hate the names I have to choose from to describe it.
Why does "X Windows" roll off the tongue any easier than "X"?
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cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: MSN Drops Newsgroup Support
Date: 7 Aug 2000 20:55:00 +0200
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Ed Cogburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
In article 8lsbk2$mgb$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dealing with those pesky Internet standards the Microsoft way. Hmmm...
I wonder if MSN will offer a Linux advocacy message board?
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-159.html?tag=st.ne.ni.rnbot.rn.
ni
They tried to give convenience as the reason, but there is no
competition for a newsgroup in an xterm with a keystroke-based interface
for convenience and speed, especially in large traffic situations where
you have to sift.
With web based things you have to point, click, and then _wait_ for each
message (sometimes each piece of a message) to download. And when they
have ads that auto-reload, caching becomes irrelevant.
I fi
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 08:13:03 EDT Contents: Which Linux should I try? (cpliu) Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (Steve Mading) Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Nic) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Kenneth P. Turvey) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Hyman Rosen) Re: Another CommyLie-nux Commy expoased! (was: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!) (Mark Wooding) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord) TPC-C Results for W2k revisited. (Truckasaurus) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (cpliu) Subject: Which Linux should I try? Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 09:15:23 GMT With all the hype about Linux, I'd like to give it a try. There are so many vendors on Linux, red hat, mandrake, caldera, TurboLinux, etc. Which one should I try? Are there any major differences? interface? How about compatibility between different venders? This must be a FAQ. Please give me a pointer or two before I get started. Thanks, CPLIU -- From: Steve Mading [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft Date: 4 Jul 2000 09:19:00 GMT abraxas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Steve Mading [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : Bullshit. I'm fully capable of seeing the multiple levels. : Whether or not you can see multiple levels has nothing to do with : whether or not you have experiential knowledge of the art of the : troll, which you apparantly do not. Assuming that someone who disagrees must be doing so because of inexperience is arrogant. I have plenty of experience with trolls, I just don't agree with the practice of patting trollers on the back and saying "mighty good troll, ole chap!" -- From: Nic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:48:58 +1200 Aaron Kulkis wrote: Unfortunately, they are rather pricy friends when you are dealing with 10 or so machines --- and while the mass-reboot every month or two is inconvenient, it still doesn't waste *that* many CPU cycles that buying a new machine instead of the UPS wouldn't result in a net benefit. Here's what you do. Open it up...you will find a 12.7V lead-acid batter inside (probably a "motorcycle" battery. Nowbuy a couple of car batteries...and put them in parallel with the motorcycle battery. Nice idea... if the float charger can hack the current draw of the extra batteries without all the magic smoke leaking out :-) Although, if it's decently designed, it'll be current limited too. Of course, "decently designed" is not as common as I'd like it to be. Nic. -- J. Random Coder sky at wibble dot net -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth P. Turvey) Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:22:42 -0500 On 03 Jul 2000 19:13:43 -0700, Michael Powe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Kenneth" == Kenneth P Turvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth I think is a very good reason for not allowing majority Kenneth decisions in the most important aspects of our life. The Kenneth whole point of the Bill of Rights (the first ten Kenneth amendments to the US Constitution) is to take away the Kenneth power of the majority to infringe some select rights of Kenneth the minority. This is not correct. The purpose of the BoR was to prevent the government from infringing on the rights of "the people." There are no protections for minorities of any type in the Constitution itself nor in the BoR. Also, remember that in the late 18th C, only about 15% of the population could vote. It was primarily their rights that were being protected. Kenneth The only people protected by the Bill of Rights were Kenneth those that the majority would punish through the normal Kenneth processes outlined in the Constitution. This group of Kenneth people was a minority of the population at large. The Kenneth Bill of Rights protected a large portion of the 85% of Kenneth the population that could not vote as well. It Kenneth specifically did not protect enslaved blacks, but many of Kenneth its protections were afforded women and the landless even Kenneth though they did not have the power to vote. I think you need to check your BoR more closely. It specifically deals only with government actions against the
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #26 Thu, 11 May 00 01:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Jim Richardson)
Re: How to properly process e-mail ("Christopher Smith")
Re: How to properly process e-mail ("Christopher Smith")
Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!! ("Christopher Smith")
Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software ("Christopher Smith")
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 ("Tom Hanlin")
Re: How to properly process e-mail (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: How to properly process e-mail (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Why Solaris is better than Linux ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Christopher Browne)
Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Salvador Peralta)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 04:01:55 GMT
On Wed, 10 May 2000 04:46:24 -0500,
Erik Funkenbusch, in the persona of [EMAIL PROTECTED],
brought forth the following words...:
John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In 8fa7e0$490$[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Christopher Smith"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Since people run around chanting "show us Microsoft's innovation" but
neglect to also chant "show us $SOMEOTHERCOMPANY's innovation".
Here's a couple for starters:-
IBM inventors of the IBM PC
IBM inventors of the Winchester disk drive
Invention and innovation are two different things.
Even so, the IBM PC was clearly an invention, but was it innovation? It
used almost entirely off the shelf components.
ISTR that the IBM PC was the first machine with a non-hardwired expansion bus.
That is, it didn't care what slot you put the card in.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: "Christopher Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to properly process e-mail
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:09:34 +1000
"Mig Mig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8fcgrc$kcb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Try not to change the subject. Outlook doesn't auto-execute
attachments, so the statement to which I replied was an outright lie.
For some reason (gee, I wonder what that could be?), you Unix fanatics
keep repeating it as if doing so will make it come true.
This is correct
As to your point, since Outlook always warns the user of potential
malice, any confusion on the user's part is the user's fault.
This is not correct! Just today at work i received some spam mail that
when
it appeared in the previewpane automaticly launched IE and went to some
weird URL. This is potentially a security risk!
Do explain how.
It's an irritiation, but I don't see a security risk (unless your IE
security settings are too low).
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From: "Christopher Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How to properly process e-mail
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:11:32 +1000
"Jim Ross" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:BBpS4.1190$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
As to your point, since Outlook always warns the user of potential
malice, any confusion on the user's part is the user's fault.
No I think some VBS viruses can set the warning back to the off state,
thus
not asking first.
Please explain how a .vbs virus will do this without first being run.
That shouldn't be optional really.
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From: "Christopher Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!!
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:13:58 +1000
"abraxas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8fdaop$qkt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm actually interested, because so far as I have heard, viruses on
macs (at least powermacs) are nearly nonexistant.
Of course they are. What would be the point of writing a virus for a
Mac ?
Hardly anyone would either a) see it or b) be affected by it.
Actually, I used to work with a guy who was challenged by a collegue to
write a virus that would work under MacOS 7.6 or higher running on a PCI
powermac...
You'd have to wonder how hard it would be to write a Mac program that
deleted a few random files from the hard disk.
Heck, AFAIK all you have to is change the type of the System folder and a
Mac won't boot.
He was a seasoned windows/unix/mac
