Linux-Advocacy Digest #467
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #34 Sun, 13 May 01 00:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: linux too slow to emulate Microsoft (Doug Ransom) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) From: JS PL hi everybody! Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:16:32 -0400 Roy Culley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], JS PL hi everybody! writes: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message I think you're just steam-rolling towards the destination you've already picked out. There is plenty of evidence just like the letter Rick showed. The point is, such evidence is non-compelling, in a legal sense; Microsoft can't be convicted for simply choosing not to sell Windows without DOS. Anti-trust doesn't work like that. It is the monopolization, not the strategies used to monopolize, which are illegal. Whatever damage the antitrust laws may have done to our economy, whatever distortions of the structure of the nation's capital they may have created, these are less disastrous than the fact that the effective purpose, the hidden intent, and the actual practice of the antitrust laws in the United States have led to the condemnation of the productive and efficient members of our society because they are productive and efficient. Can't speak for yourself sunshine? Alan Greenspan Greenspan who? :-) Shouldn't that be Alan who? -- From: Ayende Rahien Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:19:36 +0200 Clark Safford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien wrote: I wasn't talking about edlin here. No one would use it if you had something better avialable. I know. I was drawing an analogy. There has to be a distinction drawn between what has traditionaly been considered applications (where third-party companies have the ability to compete) and what is now considered an integral part of the OS. Otherwise, third-party software companies get pissed and call their congressmen. Okay, I would certainly think that integrating MS-SQL Server into the OS would be over doing it. However, what they do enter are things that users consider needed, that they *shouldn't* have to purchase also. Wordproccessor, I agree, and it have, pretty basic one, though. Database? Does the average user need this? Don't know where you are getting at, but you get a database with Windows, if you know how to set ODBC correctly. I'm asking why MS should have to stop at browsers. I'd also like to ask why they only seem to integrate things when they're having difficulty gaining market share. See above. I don't think that this is so. Zip file browsing, they didn't have such a product. CD-Burning, likewise. I think that those are things that the users need, now, in some cases, they do push an application that they already has. I consider it ok, it's not an application that they sold before, after all. So it's not as if they are cutting prices, beside, it is good for the consumer. Because people *won't* use this application if it's not better then the competition, if it's just as good or worse, then they'll just get the application they used before. See NS3 vs IE3 (about equal quality), only when IE4 was clearly superior to NS4 (especially the buggy beta verison) people start to move to it in droves. Spreadsheet is not something that your average user need. Let's replace that cute little calculator with Excel. Or would that impact MS's revenue stream? It probably would. And don't forget that most people don't *need* excel. Because today, it's pretty much an essencial need to have a browser, so yes, I think that it's a logical extention of the OS. I guess it is if you want to surf the net. Surfing your computer could be done in other ways. KDE GNOME does it the same way that MS does. How come with them it's okay but MS it isn't? As for using
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #33Mon, 9 Apr 01 16:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (Craig Kelley) Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (Chad Everett) Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates... (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Craig Kelley) Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux? (Craig Kelley) Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (Craig Kelley) Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (Craig Kelley) Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser... (was Re: Chinese airforce adopted Win2k infrastructure) (The Ghost In The Machine) Wall Street Journal: Linux gains corporate respectability (Chad Everett) Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates... (GreyCloud) Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: XP = eXPerimental (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Basement Boy: Aka Aaron Koookis (Donn Miller) Re: Inktomi Webmap -- Apache has 60% now. (GreyCloud) From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? Date: 09 Apr 2001 13:13:22 -0600 667 Neighbor of the Beast [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LShaping wrote: Chronos Tachyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri 06 Apr 2001 09:38, Stephen S. Edwards II wrote: [Snip] Of course the system will fail if the display system fails. The GDI is an integrated part of This is a good thing? :-/ It is a good thing for 99% of users, if it means the whole will run better. The question is not whether a GUI is necessary (that was decided long ago), the question is how efficient and stable can it be. No it is not L. The GDI are the video drivers and there is really no sense at all in putting them in the kernel, except to make the system appear faster. OS/2 and Unix do not have the GDI in the kernel. Also, you are confusing the GDI with the GUI, and they are 2 separate things. Hmmm: * * Hardware configuration * Floppy tape controllers (Standard, MACH-2, FC-10/FC-20, Alt/82078) [Standard] defined CONFIG_FT_STD_FDC Default FIFO threshold (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_FT_FDC_THR) [8] Maximal data rate to use (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_FT_FDC_MAX_RATE) [2000] /dev/agpgart (AGP Support) (CONFIG_AGP) [M/n/y/?] Intel 440LX/BX/GX and I815/I840/I850 support (CONFIG_AGP_INTEL) [Y/n/?] Intel I810/I815 (on-board) support (CONFIG_AGP_I810) [Y/n/?] VIA chipset support (CONFIG_AGP_VIA) [Y/n/?] AMD Irongate support (CONFIG_AGP_AMD) [Y/n/?] Generic SiS support (CONFIG_AGP_SIS) [Y/n/?] ALI chipset support (CONFIG_AGP_ALI) [Y/n/?] Direct Rendering Manager (XFree86 DRI support) (CONFIG_DRM) [Y/n/?] 3dfx Banshee/Voodoo3+ (CONFIG_DRM_TDFX) [M/n/y/?] 3dlabs GMX 2000 (CONFIG_DRM_GAMMA) [M/n/y/?] ATI Rage 128 (CONFIG_DRM_R128) [M/n/?] ATI Radeon (CONFIG_DRM_RADEON) [M/n/?] Intel I810 (CONFIG_DRM_I810) [M/n/?] Matrox g200/g400 (CONFIG_DRM_MGA) [M/n/?] # uname --release 2.4.2 -- It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9 Apr 2001 14:05:04 -0500 On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:02:37 GMT, Chris Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 Apr 2001 13:42:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) wrote: On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:40:16 GMT, Chris Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 Apr 2001 13:22:27 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) wrote: On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:17:29 GMT, Chris Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 Apr 2001 09:08:26 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) wrote: On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:55:52 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Street wrote: Grep is your friend. Twenty minutes with it will not reveal what you need though That's for sure. I found the reference to "X-Mailer" in a #define, but it wasn't used anyway else in the code! I found where a UNAME macro is used, and a few other clues, but still haven't found where the posting host string is assembled. Will look later, when time allows. Chris You're barking up the wrong tree. Just get slrn source on linux and modify the headers it assembles and make it look like you are runnning Mozilla. Sorry. The point I was making, which seemd to be what was claimed was that the header is contained as a string in the build. It isnt - not even any part of it. For example, you can grep the entire release and Win98 only occurs once - in a programmers remark. The string isn't there to be found, so a
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #31 Sun, 14 Jan 01 20:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Two Thumbs up for the AntiTrust Movie and Open Source ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: One case where Linux has the edge (Gary Hallock)
Re: More Linux woes ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: One case where Linux has the edge (Charlie Ebert)
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: More Linux woes (mlw)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Interconnect")
Re: More Linux woes (funk883)
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? (Donn Miller)
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Thumbs up for the AntiTrust Movie and Open Source
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:44:10 -0500
David Steinberg wrote:
R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: It was also very well researched. Some of the quotes were
: streight from "The Road Ahead". The thinly veiled attempt
: at a Disclaimer:
: "Doesn't Bill Gates have one like that?";
: "Who? Oh him, his is much more primative";
Actually, Gary Winston's reply was, "Bill who?"
In all seriousness, I really enjoyed the movie, in spite of its many
tecnical goof-ups, not to mention non-technical problems in the
plot. I'll try not to give away too much, but let's just say that, while
Ryan Phillippe might think otherwise, Open Source was the star of this
film. To me, that was surprising and very enjoyable.
But, I have to wonder, could this movie be considered anti-Microsoft
propaganda? The similarities are obvious between Winston and Gates,
between NURV and Microsoft. But, NURV commits some pretty blatant crimes,
including murder, that we have no reason to believe Microsoft is guilty
of.
Actually, the real coup is that, to the average joe-six-pack, who
doesn't understand Microsoft's behind-closed-doors behavior, this
movie is a MAJOR revelation about the true nature of their hero.
Is that unfair to Microsoft?
No. Gates is a megalomaniac, who has PROCLAIMED his desire to get a
commission for any and all financial transactions on the face of the
earth.
A person with those kinds of goals eventually become exactly the
kind of Winston-character portrayed in the movie.
I think it is. Does it even matter whether a fictional Hollywood movie is
unfair to Microsoft? That, I'm not so sure about.
: But there wasn't much question. I'm just curious how
: they got the great shots of the Lake Washington estate.
They didn't. That wasn't Gates' house. It was entirely CGI, and then
pasted on top of some pretty shots looking onto Georgia Straight. The
movie was actually set in Oregon, but filmed in Vancouver, BC (where I
live). The arial shots of the NURV Campus were shot at Simon Fraser
University, and all of the action was shot at MY school, the University of
British Columbia. Woo hoo! :)
: Actually, I got a kick out of the Linux displays,
: complete with LS listings and BASH.
I did, too. I especially enjoyed the cryptic command line options on
every command Milo typed. And how he was able to do all this (on a
secret system that he just discovered) without ever checking a man page or
using "--help". :)
Actually, why wouldn't NURV use the same commands to run jpg's on
those systems as elsewhere in the company?
--
David Steinberg -o)
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED]_\_v
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #30 Mon, 27 Nov 00 13:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler review. (Matthew Soltysiak)
Re: Another happy Linux user (Marc Richter)
Re: Whistler review. (Matthew Soltysiak)
Re: Whistler review. (Mike Raeder)
Re: Whistler review. (Spicerun)
Re: Whistler review. (Spicerun)
Re: Off Topic: Funny Light Bulb Joke: (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Whistler review. (Spicerun)
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Donovan Rebbechi)
From: Matthew Soltysiak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:56:18 GMT
You're obviously going to a 3rd-rate college.
I was hoping you would be a little more original. Actually, I go to very nice college
thanks.
Anyway, here's something that will blow your mind away (because i'm guessing you're
the type who
can't accept the truth, and has to advocate all kinds of shit to get somewhere).
People use
what they want to use. The guy who like Whistler liked it. Simple as that. Is your
brain
suffering from crashed yet? No? good.
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
And you typed all that for this news group. You must have a lot of time.
--
Matthew Soltysiak
Comp Sci/Soft Eng
ICQ: 3063118
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc Richter)
Subject: Re: Another happy Linux user
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:00:43 -0500
On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:53:06 -0500, Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yea, yea, I know, it's the machine, it's the user, it's that
particular distribution, Linux is the kernel, it worked in 5 minutes
for me, he should have read x amd so forth.
Why is it that such simple things like dialing up to the internet
become missions of mercy when trying to run Linsux?
claire
I never had a single problem. I know the port, address, irq and hey
presto it's easy. Linux is not for the non technically aware at the
moment that's all!
--
a non-technical person isn't going to know the port, address, or irq for
a device anyway if they have to configure it manually under Windows(they
won't know what any of those mean anway), so the same problem exists.
When a resource conflict arises they are going to have to know how to
fix it. If they don't they take it to a shop. If they don't know how to
do it in Linux I'm sure they have a friend who knows what to do. When u
start using nontechnical people as a an arugment for people not being
able to use Linux you end up with a losing battle as nontechnical people
can't use Windows either.
And that, good sir, is what we all seem to forget.
It wasn't long ago that, when you bought a game, you often had to either:
1. Make a seperate boot floppy. (and many games would not do this for you) or
2. Tweak the crap out of CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT
Now call me crazy, but you just don't get any more "end-user" than game
software that anyone can pick up at a mall near you.
I did telephone based tech support during that era and me and the other
nerds often had a running contest to see who could squeeze the most
conventional memory out of a system.
Now people may claim that this is no longer relevant, but cruising the
newsgroups and web boards for games now find
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #29Thu, 5 Oct 00 12:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Brian Langenberger)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Eric Remy)
Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-) (Jim Cameron)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (chrisv)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Bob Germer)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (John Sanders)
Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-) ("Stuart Fox")
Re: [OT] Loren Petrich claims THIEVERY = LEGITIMATE WORK (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Mike")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (The Ghost In
The Machine)
From: Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:01:12 -0300
El mié, 04 oct 2000, Richard escribió:
Roberto Alsina wrote:
El mié, 04 oct 2000, Richard escribió:
From what you describe, it looks like your position with respect
to your corporation (no oversight whatsoever) is analogous to a
tumour or other cancerous growth.
Piling analogies doesn't make them any better.
Then it's a good thing that I'm not doing that. EXTENDING the
same analogy to encompass more and more and more only makes that
single analogy more powerful.
No, because the analogies are incompatible. You first compared me to a cell.
Now you compare me to a tumor. Tumors are not single cells.
Parasites and invaders come free with the 'corporation as human
body' analogy. In fact, I'd be in trouble if there WEREN'T an
analogue.
Tumors are not parasites nor invaders.
Most corporate decisions are traceable to humans (and many are not) but
they are never traceable to a SINGLE human. If no member of the corporation
ever hired you, you have no oversight whatsoever and you do not follow
the implicit rules and values of the corporation then you are a foreign
invader and NOT part of the corporation.
Ever heard the concept of "first employee"?
Ever heard the concept of "first node connected to the network"?
How about "Invisible Pink Unicorn"?
How about: I work in the corporation. I was not hired by anyone who works here,
and was not hired by anyone who has ever worked here. I know that to be a fact.
You figure out how to bring it into your little world.
Not everything that can be named is meaningful. That is exactly why
people need to be rigorous; so that they don't end up like you.
Well, I have reality behind me.
You seem to believe the values of
the corporation and my own disagree, while usually they don't.
And you were selected on that exact basis. If they had disagreed,
you would never have been selected. The values of the corporation
do not come from you, they *dictate* you.
They existed in me (for whatever they are) before the corporation "met" me, so
they can not have been dicated by the corporation.
However, if the corporation values (whatever that may be) mandated I do
something I considered wrong, I would not do it. Regardless of what you may
At which point you would be recognized as a foreigner and fired ASAP.
Hasn't happened yet. However, I have refused to do things in the past. Not
fired. Reality is more complex than you think.
believe, I don't let anyone override my own ethics.
If you /were/ hired but you still
have no oversight then you are a tumour. If you were hired and you have
no oversight and you don't conform to the corporation then you are a
*malignant* tumour.
And you claim you don't do metaphor.
ANALOGY! But I *already* explained this four or five separate times!
Actually, you also claimed you don't do analogy, but abstraction.
I can, and just have wrt immortal and eternal, detect inconsistencies
in my position without anyone ever proving they exist and resolve those
inconsistencies on my own.
Uh? It took 3 posts for you to actually get it.
And note how in none of those posts you did any significant work or
ever even attempted to be rigorous, formal, or even rational.
That was not needed to show your own incoherence.
Except the shareholders. And the shareholders are a quintessential mob.
The shareholders oversee through the board. No shareholder can usually call the
CEO and tell him what to do.
Except when the share price plummets. At which point he is immediately held
responsible by the shareholders, and not by "law".
By the board, usually.
As for that whole crap about "fiduciary duty", you obviously don't know how
Japanese corporations work.
No, I don't live in Japan. Why should I care about that specific case? You are
making
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #28 Fri, 18 Aug 00 01:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: there are plenty of good paradigms ("Ostracus")
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?) (Tim Hanson)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Tim Hanson)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Tim Hanson)
GNOME KDE, and the motivation for creation... (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Open source: an idea whose time has come (Tim Hanson)
Re: GNOME KDE, and the motivation for creation... ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Om ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right!
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:28:04 -0500
"Tim Hanson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In your face, Windows advocates! Linux fragmentation my butt!
I think its healthy, regardless of all the doom mongers' whining. I'm
no KDE fan myself, but I know a lot of Windows users who may not have
switched had it not been for it. Maybe the extra pressure from this
push toward GNOME will prod KDE into dumping that ridiculous licensing /
kickback scheme.
I don't know about you, but if I'd just spent the last what, 2-3 years
working my ass off on developing something like KDE and then the majority of
the Linux/unix community decides to go with a competing effort, I'd be
rather pissed that I had wasted the last 3 years of my life doing virtually
nothing.
That can't be good for the morale of open source developers.
--
From: "Ostracus" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: there are plenty of good paradigms
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:27:27 -0500
In article 8ne9g7$8ni$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K.
Fellows) wrote:
snip
Why is godhood so much hard work?
And remember we have only two more days to finish. :)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellowshttp://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
Date: 18 Aug 2000 04:28:22 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Kelley) wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Mike Byrns" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, but we have a choice under Linux of whether we want to
significantly add to our program's bulk, or to just use the one-line
fork() call. Forking is fairly scalable, but not as scalable as
threads in most situations. The problem is, 90% of the time (my
time, anyway) you don't care if the process is extremely scalable
and you can ditch a bunch of complexity by using processes instead.
And if using fork() ends up consuming too many resources, you can just
fork out for a more powerful platform! g Sorry, just couldn't
resist.
Yep, Linux does provide a good path to powerful OSes like AIX.
I would think that since Linux is so very close to POSIX.1 and
POSIX.2 compliance, that it would make a decent path to nearly
any other UNIX variant, no?
While my dislike of the Linux kernel is well known, I can say
that migrating most of my UNIX application data from Linux to
IRIX was rather painless.
--
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|[_] | Stephen S. Edwards II | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #27Wed, 5 Jul 00 01:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Why Linux, and X.11 when MacOS 'X' is around the corner? (Jerry McBride) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Linux 3X faster than W2K (Arthur Frain) Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Donovan Rebbechi) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:49:22 -0400 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting Tiberious from comp.os.linux.advocacy; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:26:48 [...] Switch from Windows to Linux? Why? Because in the real world, capabilities and control are more important than hand-holding. Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system? This "computers with dumb users is progress" thing has *got* to go. What advantage does the person above gain running Linux? The person above only does the install once. They use the system for years (if its Linux; if its Windows, about six months, and then you've gotta do it all over again...) I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a desktop system kills that reason. How does running a desktop system kill cost as a reason? You forget, the equivalent license for Windows that you get for free with Linux would cost you something on the order of a few million dollars, and that's discounting the ability to modify the code if you have a good enough reason. Obviously a desktop system wouldn't need a "developers source code license". But for the amount of support you gotta pay for when installing that scanner *doesn't* work, you kind of make up in the bargain. Sorry but Linux loses again. Plus, like most Wintrolls, you are picking your "and everything works great" environment, and comparing it to last year's Linux distros. You lose again. -- T. Max Devlin Manager of Research Educational Services Managed Services ELTRAX Technology Services Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] -[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including my employer, has to pay for them, subject to applicable licensing agreement]- == Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News == http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! === Over 80,000 Newsgroups = 16 Different Servers! == -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:50:27 -0500 On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:52:43 GMT, "Shock Boy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:22:19 -0700, Peter Ammon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Peter Ammon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have much less PC experience than you, and even I've been there. Rick is right: it is a nightmare. And, as usual, blown *way* out of proportion. I've been using PCs for a long, long time and the number of IRQ conflicts I've ever had has been miniscule and taken all of about 5 minutes to resolve. I can't comment on the frequency with which they happen, since I've only had it happen once, but it did take a trained technician several hours to resolve while I stood nearby and waited. Define "trained technician", please. Also describe his employer. From my experienced.. most skilled/trained technician's are not "technician's".. as they can easily get a much better paying job. All the people I know who *really* know computers are NOT in support. That is why I always laugh with these "horror" stories about support staff. Of COURSE they can't figure it out quickly.. that's why they're in such a low end job! Exactly. -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:51:39 -0400 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting Tim Scoff from comp.os.linux.advocacy; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:25:02 [...] Unix is wonderful if you're an expert. If you're not there is a steep learning curve involved in order to get to the point where you can administer it successfully. Computers are wonderful if you're an expert. If you're not there is
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #25Thu, 2 Mar 00 02:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: How does the free-OS business model work? (Peter Seebach)
Re: 64-Bit Linux On Intel Itanium (was: Microsoft's New Motto (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: 64-Bit Linux On Intel Itanium (was: Microsoft's New Motto ("Drestin Black")
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Drestin Black")
Re: Dell picks Linux over Windows 2000 for dellhost.com ("Drestin Black")
Re: Clarification of the word "communism", re LINUX = COMUNISM more... (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: Giving up on NT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ProSplitter 2000 is released FREE for Linux ("Drestin Black")
Re: ProSplitter 2000 is released FREE for Linux ("Drestin Black")
Re: w64k - the bugs are being found ("Drestin Black")
Re: My Windows 2000 experience (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Windows 2000: flat sales (Christopher Browne)
Re: Fairness to Winvocates (was Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K) (Jim
Richardson)
Re: My Windows 2000 experience (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: How does the free-OS business model work?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 06:25:10 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Donovan Rebbechi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 03:24:51 GMT, Peter Seebach wrote:
If the people who make the sequencer I use for MIDI stuff were unable to use
copyright to protect their work, there are a few possibilities:
1. They would never release anything but binaries, and they would make a
living selling hardware keys for specific versions of their software for
specific platforms. This is very close to their business model right now.
I've already raised objections to this scheme. The main one is that it
creates a rat race between crackers and those designing security schemes.
It also causes a headache for users ( have you used mathematica before ? )
Yes, but it's what we have now in a large number of fields, so nothing
changes.
What I'd be interested in hearing about is this -- has anyone set up some
kind of succesful business using such an "alternative funding scheme" ?
Well, Cygnus has to count; they grew fairly large before they did anything
but sell support for free software. I believe Walnut Creek counts; they
make money selling FreeBSD CD's, and later added support contracts.
Now, you can point out that not all of the costs of development were borne
by either party.
That is *NOT* a weakness; that is the big strength of open source.
-s
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: 64-Bit Linux On Intel Itanium (was: Microsoft's New Motto
Date: 2 Mar 2000 06:25:24 GMT
On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 03:04:02 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:52:34 -, "John Hill" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux is truely a luser.
That's "truly", moron. Come back when you graduate from high school.
Buy MSFT!!!
Don't you have to be an adult to buy stock ?
Come back when you're capable of of posting something of more substance than
the illiterate drivel contained in this lame attempt at a troll.
--
Donovan
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From: "Drestin Black" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: 64-Bit Linux On Intel Itanium (was: Microsoft's New Motto
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:17:12 -0500
"John Hill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:89kkki$tb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Chad Myers wrote in message ...
"Mark S. Bilk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:89gomf$6rp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article 89fo31$fe8$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Chad Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How's the Trillian Linux64 team doing?
http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/news/0,4538,2431772,00.html
Hey! A public beta... but wait... when you start reading the
fine print, SMP has got a long way to go (gasp! I thought linux
was so well designed, it should've been a snap to get SMP working
in 64-bit, guess that hacked puke of SMP support in the Linux
kernel was a more hacked piece of puke than they thought).
It is Chad Myers' job to spew lies and hate against Linux, and
propaganda in favor of Microsoft, into comp.os.linux.advocacy
at every possible opportunity.
Thanks for the warning, Pastor Mark.
Or you could fire up Babel and read this one:
