Re: LWN mention
Russell Coker posted on Wed, 02 Dec 2015 17:42:15 +1100 as excerpted: > On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 08:10:13 AM Duncan wrote: >> Russell Coker posted on Sun, 08 Nov 2015 17:38:32 +1100 as excerpted: >> > https://lwn.net/Articles/663474/ >> > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs/49500 >> > >> > Above is a BTRFS issue that is mentioned in a LWN comment. Has this >> > one been fixed yet? >> >> Good job linking to a subscription-only article, without using a link >> that makes it available for non-subscriber list readers to read.[1] > > Well it's only subscription-only for a week, so it's available for > everyone now. Thanks for the reminder. I just finished reading TFA and all the comments. Wow! PaXTeam arguably knows his security stuff but he either doesn't know much about actually playing on a team or he has incentive not to play well with the kernel team. And he seemed to be "in vehement agreement" with Jon's article. Oh, well... As for the question of the thread, no real answers on-thread, but I believe I've seen patches posted mentioning that the problem fixed was found by the grsec overflow checker. It may be that the devs are a bit wary of posting direct answers to the threads themselves, in case PaXTeam replies and it turns into a flame fest. Better for all concerned just to do the patch and not directly reply to the thread, and given PaXTeam's behavior in the comments of that article I can definitely agree with the wisdom of such a strategy, if there's any chance at all that he might be drawn by the mention to the thread. > While LWN has a feature for "subscribers" (which includes me because HP > sponsors LWN access for all DDs) to send free links for other people I > don't believe it would be appropriate to use that on a mailing list. If > anyone had asked by private mail I'd have been happy to send them a > personal link for that. FWIW, I was still a subscriber when that feature was first presented, and Jon actually seemed fine with posting the special links to for instance the various kernel lists, but to other more technical or limited readership Linux related lists as well, the idea being that like the public access months many subscriber TV channels have, a sample of the content would bring in new subscribers. And sponsored article access, please consider subscribing, notices on such articles, seems to encourage that as well. So I think it would have been fine, but of course I respect your differing opinion as well, as it's clearly a personal call. =:^) But it would have been nice to have added a "subscriber-only until xx date" note, in that case, instead of simply posting a link with no reference to the (temporary) pay-wall in place, in which case I'd have not even bothered, since I know under the current circumstances I can't subscribe (as explained). -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: LWN mention
On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 08:10:13 AM Duncan wrote: > Russell Coker posted on Sun, 08 Nov 2015 17:38:32 +1100 as excerpted: > > https://lwn.net/Articles/663474/ > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs/49500 > > > > Above is a BTRFS issue that is mentioned in a LWN comment. Has this one > > been fixed yet? > > Good job linking to a subscription-only article, without using a link > that makes it available for non-subscriber list readers to read.[1] Well it's only subscription-only for a week, so it's available for everyone now. While LWN has a feature for "subscribers" (which includes me because HP sponsors LWN access for all DDs) to send free links for other people I don't believe it would be appropriate to use that on a mailing list. If anyone had asked by private mail I'd have been happy to send them a personal link for that. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Bloghttp://doc.coker.com.au/ -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: LWN mention
Russell Coker posted on Sun, 08 Nov 2015 17:38:32 +1100 as excerpted: > https://lwn.net/Articles/663474/ > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs/49500 > > Above is a BTRFS issue that is mentioned in a LWN comment. Has this one > been fixed yet? Good job linking to a subscription-only article, without using a link that makes it available for non-subscriber list readers to read.[1] At least the list comment is free to be viewed. =:^) Judging by the fact that it has no replies, were I to guess, I'd guess it fell thru the cracks. Sometimes there's patches for reports without replies to the original thread, but while I don't follow patches in minute detail I normally follow them well enough to have an idea where things are going, and I've seen no patch comments referencing that post. --- [1] FWIW, I'd love to subscribe to LWN, and actually did for awhile even tho I didn't always have time to read it as I believe it provides a useful service to the community, until my conscience started kicking me too badly, since LWN has long had a promise to open up its sources, but AFAIK it has yet to be done, when meanwhile, much of the code LWN used to criticize as proprietary, has in fact opened up. Too bad for the community too, as what could be a huge beacon of free software is belying its own message, talking the talk real well but failing to walk the walk. Meanwhile, while I'll visit sites that aren't open, I don't buy subscriptions to them lest my conscience start kicking me again, so subscription is out of the question, and I must wait until the article goes free or until someone provides a non-subscriber link to read the otherwise subscriber-only content. But just to clarify, I believe people's conscience is their own business, so I'm not suggesting that anyone else need do that, unless their own conscience leads them to do so, of course. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-btrfs" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
