Linux-Hardware Digest #411
Linux-Hardware Digest #411, Volume #14 Tue, 27 Feb 01 19:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: ACPI Power Managment Caldera (Michael Meissner)
3com 3c515 request for help (lucas)
Re: Need LOTS of disks: Promise ATA RAID?? ("Steve Wolfe")
Re: Need LOTS of disks: Promise ATA RAID?? ("Steve Wolfe")
Re: Need LOTS of disks: Promise ATA RAID?? ("Steve Wolfe")
Booting Raid 1 or 5 ("julius")
Re: How do I load a module at start up? (Matthew Paterson)
Re: What's a good AGP 1x video card? (PAUL NIELSEN)
Re: Voodoo3, OpenGL and Half-Life (Matthew Paterson)
Re: 3com 900B-combo (Christian Roessner)
Re: Voodoo3, OpenGL and Half-Life (Matthew Paterson)
Can I install Redhatt 7.0 on an IBM rs/6000 7025 F3 ? ("TFH")
Re: Need LOTS of disks: Promise ATA RAID?? (Jonathan Buzzard)
HELP: Need help for soundblaster live card on redhat linux 6.2 ("Ed")
Re: FastTrak100 - accessing and booting from RAID 0 array (iQXth)
Re: VIA IDE problems (was Re: Need LOTS of disks: Promise ATA RAID??) (Paul Grayson)
Re: Linux partitioning question ("Greg H.")
ACPI and SMP ("Greg H.")
Re: HELP: Need help for soundblaster live card on redhat linux 6.2 ("D. Stimits")
Subject: Re: ACPI Power Managment Caldera
From: Michael Meissner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 27 Feb 2001 15:55:46 -0500
"Ken" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi everyone,
I am running Caldera OpenLinux 2.4 on my NEC Versa LX notebook. I upgraded
the notebook from APM to ACPI power management by downloading a flash bios
update from NEC's site. My battery lasts longer now (under Win2K) and a
problem I was having with my sound not coming back after hibernate mode has
been resolved by performing this upgrade. Does Linux support ACPI? I don't
want to go back to APM and would like to be able to monitor my battery usage
under Linux as well as under Win2K.
Kernel versions 2.4.x support ACPI (or at least have a configure option for it,
I don't know if there are user space programs you need to install as well).
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Michael Meissner, Red Hat, Inc. (GCC group)
PMB 198, 174 Littleton Road #3, Westford, Massachusetts 01886, USA
Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +1 978-486-9304
Non-work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax: +1 978-692-4482
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:44:15 -0500
From: lucas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 3com 3c515 request for help
hello one and all,
i humbly request a little help and guidance. i have a pure isa 486 with a true
3com 3c515 isa 100base ethernet. i installed a new version of redhat linux 6.2,
kernel version 2.2.14-5.0. i have been trying for three days to get linux to
recognize the 3c515 card, but it will not. i have set the eeprom settings using
a dos bootable disk and the 3com 3c515cfg utility. i have tried many
configurations, and the current is set at ioaddr=0x280, irq=12, and dma=5. the
3c515cfg utility passes the testing. so i know the board works and the settings
are coded in the eeprom.
i have conf.modules containing "alias eth0 3c515" and "options 3c515 debug=1
io=0x280 irq=12". with the eth0 adapter loading on bootup. but it always
fails, no matter the hardware settings. in fact, bootup returns that "Delaying
eth0 initialization."...a message from ifup via ifconfig.
i have also tried "insmod 3c515.o" and that always returns "0 3c515 cards
found" and "3c515.0. init_module: Device or resource busy"
so i can not seem to find the problem and debug it out. can you please pass
along some suggestions. thank you in advance and have a nice day.
lucas
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From: "Steve Wolfe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Need LOTS of disks: Promise ATA RAID??
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:35:47 -0700
These are good but the write perfomance on RAID 5 is a bit sucky and
the read is not too hot either. You really need to do your homework
first.
Are you sure? I have a RAID 5 array sitting under my desk, consisting of
only 4 drives (and one of those is a hot spare), and those are only 9 gigs.
Not the latest, greatest by any means. Yesterday I copied a few gigs from
an IDE drive to the RAID array under Linux, and even though the IDE drive
was at full speed reading, the RAID array was only active about 1/2 of the
time writing. If it will *write* twice as fast as my IDE drive can *read*,
that's pretty fast.
Granted, it's not as fast as simple striping, but you make it sound like
it's going to be abysmally slow, which it won't. It should still be faster
than a single SCSI drive, and simply blow away anything from IDE.
steve
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From: "Steve Wolfe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Need LOTS of disks: Promis
Linux-Hardware Digest #411
Linux-Hardware Digest #411, Volume #13 Sun, 13 Aug 00 06:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Defrag in Linux? (sideband) Re: YAMAHA sound card (Nick Chalk) Re: HP LaserJet 1100 print delays (James Stafford) Re: Simple question about CD-Writing for Linux (Duane) Re: Defrag in Linux? (Prasanth A. Kumar) Re: promise fast trak 66 and suse-linux - followup (Benjamin Grimm) Vibra 128PCI (Terence Chan) dead monitor - help!! (paul) Re: Coppermine SLOW PERFORMANCE... (John Beardmore) Re: Partition Size Advice (John Beardmore) Re: Partition Size Advice (John Beardmore) Re: Partition Size Advice (John Beardmore) Re: Partition Size Advice (John Beardmore) From: sideband [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Defrag in Linux? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:28:04 -0400 Elliott wrote: Thank you all for answering my 8 questions in one. Just out of curiosity, how is it that defragmentation is almost never goes over 8%? Back to performance, here is the output of my free: [root@localhost /root]# free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 62992 61528 1464 60664 1532 26340 -/+ buffers/cache: 33656 29336 Swap: 313228 4632 308596 Wow! I didn't realize that much ram was used! I thought I had 64megs of ram 62.992 is close enough for me. If I bought 64 more megs of ram, do you guys think that my performance would increase significantly? thanks! J Bland wrote: FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda8 387M 317M 50M 86% / /dev/hda1 23M 2.6M 19M 12% /boot /dev/hda7 2.9G 938M 1.8G 34% /usr /dev/hda5 387M 31M 337M 8% /var /dev/hdd 390M 4.6M 365M 1% /mnt/drive3 /dev/hdb1 393M 16k 373M 0% /mnt/drive2 all the partitions appear to be fragmented. I would think, that "size" minus "used" should equal "Avail". I checked my partition tables with fdisk, and all cylinders and heads are accounted for. Thus leading me to think that I really need to defrag. (then what the heck is auto-defrag?) True, for a web server or fully networked computer, defragmenting may not make a difference, but for my computer, I think it would. So what program should I use? I have looked high and low, and I can't find one (except for auto-defrag, whatever that is). Any help would be nice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ext2fs (which you are almost certainly using) does not fragment in the same way that windows filing systems do. Ext2fs is intelligent and arranges its data in such a way as to reduce fragmentation. The only time this really breaks down is when your disc is almost full, and all your partitions are quite a way from this. The small amount of fragmentation (of the order of a % or two) that you get on a standard ext2fs system will not produce a system performance drop that you could see. As for df; it only reports disc usage, there is no indication of fragmentation in its output so I wonder where you think it is saying your partitions are fragmented. Any differences between the allocated size of a partition and the reported size in df are due to: a) Space taken by formatting b) by default 5% of a partition is reserved for the root user only. So even when the disc is supposedly 5% full there is still some space for root to play around in. A godsend when users fill your disc accidentally. If you are experiencing performance drops it is much more likely to be a RAM factor, or more the usage of it. Once you start using up your RAM and hit the swap partition or file, performance nosedives. What are you running? How much RAM do you have? What does 'free' report? Linux doesn't 'degrade' with time like certain other systems. If there's a problem with performance it's to do with what you're doing, not the state the OS has got itself into. Frinky -- John Bland MPhys(Hons) GradInstP Webmaster and Sys Admin. http://ringtail.cmp.liv.ac.uk/ Condensed Matter Group Email: j.bland at liv.ac.uk Liverpool University "And it can suck a monkey through 30ft of garden hose!!" From the looks of it, if your "free" output shows your typical memory usage, then, yes, 64 more megs will probably improve your system's speed. HTH. -SSB -- From: Nick Chalk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: YAMAHA sound card Date: 12 Aug 2000 21:56:03 +0100 Stuart Fotheringham wrote: Does anyone know how to get the Yamaha sound card working under RH6.2 Flukezero [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied: Please provide the model of the card (ie. YMF-724), and in my experiences with yamahas you can't use them unless you buy OSS with the yamaha modules. Recent ALSA releases support the Yamaha YMF
Linux-Hardware Digest #411
Linux-Hardware Digest #411, Volume #12Mon, 6 Mar 00 09:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: SoundBlaster Awe64 PCI? (Philipp Maier)
Newbie: HP scanner setup (Mark Hamilton)
Re: System reqs - is P166 too small/slow? ("Erwin Rüegg")
Re: System reqs - is P166 too small/slow? (Dances With Crows)
Looking for Win Lucent modem driver for LINUX ("money lady")
Re: Thunder Sound Vortex2 (Rolf Magnus)
Re: 4 Celeron motherboard? (Atle)
Re: Legacy 150x Tape Drive (M. Buchenrieder)
Problems with directory listings on ZIP-Drive (Martin Schichl)
Re: OnStream DI30 Tape Drive ("J.E.J. op den Brouw")
3COM INTERNAL ADSL ADAPTER WHEN WILL BE SUPPORTED IN LINUX?. (jose galvez)
Re: CPU Over clocking (Rolf Magnus)
Linux CD-R Changers - Supported? (Craig McFarlane)
Re: Xircom CE3-10/100, ThinkPad 600x, Slackware 7.0 (Hamid Misnan)
SCSI? IDE? Opinions please (Bruce McKenzie)
OfficeJet 720 (Ralph)
Re: SCSI? IDE? Opinions please (Joshua Baker-LePain)
Re: CD Writer failed after install!! (Frank Swasey)
Re: not slw, but sluggish linux modem (Atle)
Re: Adding a second Hard Drive in Linux [HELP!!!] (joe umiker)
best graphics card? (Dan Law)
Re: ASUS P2B-D or TYAN S1832DL Tiger 100? (Pete Rossi)
Is the onboard sound for TX-ProII motherboards supported? (Daniel Seagraves)
From: Philipp Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster Awe64 PCI?
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:02:34 +
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bo B wrote:
Is there a SB Awe64 PCI version on the market? (ES1371 chip??)
IMHO yes.
And it is supported, at least I have tested it under SuSE Linux
(IIRC)...
PM
--
Sylt, SuSE Linux, Maerklin mini-club, Psion Serie 5mx Pro GPS:
http://www.philipp-maier.de
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From: Mark Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Newbie: HP scanner setup
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:47:54 +1300
Hi All,
Am running Caldera Openlinux 2.3. Have a Hewlett Packard Scanjet 4p SCSI
scanner (working with the original HP SCSI card). I am tearing my hair
out trying to make it work on my system..I have SANE, but don't seem
to be able to make it do anything, in fact it doesn't even seem to
recognise the scsi card (although the kernel has g_NCR5380 support
compiled in)I am at a bit of a loss as to where to gotried
reading the SCSI how to...just confused the hell out of me..I would
appreciate any help I can get.it is the last thing (apart from my
girlfriend) keeping me tied to windows..Thanks in advance
Mark
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From: "Erwin Rüegg" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: System reqs - is P166 too small/slow?
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:43:30 +0100
Hello
I think 32 MB RAM is not enough to run KDE (and Netscape, and ...). I
installed SuSE on a P133 with 32 MB, it was slow. Now I have 128 MB
and it works fine. You still have to wait 5 - 10 seconds to start
StarOffice. But that is reasonable.
Regards
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Erwin Rueegg
Adresse: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Geelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
G'day all
My weekend project was to install Corel Linux (based on Debian,
with a
KDE-based interface) on my kids' computer (didn't risk doing my
machine
in case of crashes!) I chose to install it in a 1GB DOS/Windows
partition, leaving the other 1.5 GB for Windoze so the kids can
still
play their games. The machine is a P133 overclocked to 166, with 32
M of
RAM.
The Linux is horrifyingly slow: click on an icon to open a window
and
then go away for 5-10 minutes while it opens - forget about
actually
doing anything on it.
I guess I'll uninstall this install tonight, 'cos it's completely
useless. I can then decide to do a proper dual-boot installation,
which
should improve the performance, or forget the whole project, or try
another distribution, or... But I wanted to check first whether
there
are people successfully running Linux at reasonable speeds on
machines
of this size. It should be possible, shouldn't it?
All responses, posted or mailed, will be very helpful.
Thanx,
David
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Dr David R Geelan
Edith Cowan University, 2 Bradford St, Mt Lawley WA 6050
Ph. 08 9370 6728, Fax 08 9370 6700, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://alpha7.curtin.edu.au/~rgeeland/bravus.htm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: System reqs - is P166 too small/slow?
Date: 06 Mar 2000 04:49:38 EST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:08:35 +0800, David Geelan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] shouted forth into the ether:
My weekend project was to install Corel Linux (based on Debian, with a
KDE-based interface) on my kids' computer (didn't risk doing my machine
in case of crashes!) I chose to install it in a 1GB DOS/Windows
partition, leaving the other 1.5 GB for Windoze so the kids can still
play their games. The machine
Linux-Hardware Digest #411
Linux-Hardware Digest #411, Volume #10Fri, 4 Jun 99 18:13:31 EDT
Contents:
Re: Wanted: Promise eide 4030plus disk accelerator (Jay Bigelow)
Re: Linux training in Austin, Texas (Linux Louie)
Re: Riva TNT only in 256 colours. (Clarence Riddle)
Re: Riva TNT Drivers for Linux (Clarence Riddle)
Re: AMD K6-2 Problems (Clarence Riddle)
Redhat 6.0 setup with LS-120 and PCMCIA NIC? ("colin")
Re: CT MediaGX motherboards and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Printing with NEC P6 (Dirk Herrmann)
ViewSonic G790 Monitor problem... (Marc Duran)
Re: 2.2.5-15 kernel eats memory! ("D. Vrabel")
Re: I'm *close* with my Epson 740 setup...please help! (Jil Tardiff)
Re: problem install linux in a old packard bell computer (killbill)
Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT! (norman elliott)
There is an updated version of SCSI Howto? (Simone Piccardi)
Re: Where do I find jumper spec for old hard disk? (Tom Daley)
Re: Xfree86 and KDE (Chris Lee)
Re: Xfree86 and KDE (Chris Lee)
From: Jay Bigelow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Wanted: Promise eide 4030plus disk accelerator
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:05:09 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've got a spare machine that I installed RH 5.0 on that's got a DC4030Plus in it
with 8MB RAM. I'm not sure I want to part with it, but make me an offer.
I might be persuaded to sell the whole thing (DC4030Plus, Hercules Terminator VLB
video, M/B with AMD 5x86/133 CPU, etc.).
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RCo2970070 wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I would like to purchase a "new" or used Promise eide 4030plus vesa local bus
hard disk accelerator to speed up my aged machine. Evidentally it is difficult
to find one of these as they have been discontinued for some time; there are
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From: Linux Louie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux training in Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:00:58 GMT
Hey -
There's Linux treaining in Austin, Texas. Check out
http://training.three-sixteen.com.
LL
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From: Clarence Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Riva TNT only in 256 colours.
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:17:07 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Riva TNT (pci) works fine in RH 6.0 but not in RH 5.2. I'm running
1024x768
cgr
gm wrote:
I recall in the notes for XFree86 3.3.3.1 specific to nVidia
that 24bpp is not supported. Also notes from ASUS in their
AGP-V2400TNT board fail to mention 24bpp, which suggests
to me that the chip does not do this.
regards,
gm
Michael Meissner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in article
[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
--snip--
At least when I ran xf86config right now, it set up modes for 8,
16, 24, and 32
bit pixels. I suspect if you do:
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From: Clarence Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Riva TNT Drivers for Linux
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:22:02 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Riva TNT works fine with the RH 6.0 SVGA server - no clock
cgr
ren wrote:
http://www.nvidia.com/Products.nsf/htmlmedia/software_drivers.html
Have a pleasant day,
Jimmy
Thanks Jimmy,
Did you use the Xfree driver?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Clarence Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AMD K6-2 Problems
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:34:19 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Go in setup (del on boot) and turn off pnp os. I have several machines configured like
your and have no problems running RH 5.2, RH 6.0, SCO Unix 3.2.4 (ODT 3), win95,
win98, NT4.0 server. I build systems.
cgr
Bryan Scott wrote:
NeXuS wrote:
- This sounds like the problem I am getting with a new FIC VA503+ w/ K6-2 350.
I am booting successfully with a floppy now, but I wish I could get back to the
- usual way of booting from the hard disk boot partition in /
-
-Linux does _not_ have problems with properly configured K6-2 systems.
Nope. It doesn't. This problem may be an issue with the motherboard
tho. It seems that the FIC-503+ is very picky about the RAM it will work
correctly with.
Check the FIC web page under the reports section.
I'm only a newbie if it comes to linux, but I've got a similar system
running a k6-2/300. If it's a problem with the memory there is a neat
feature on this board. It uses a via chipset witch allows you, with
help of jumpers, to run your memory at 66Mhz while your system can still
use the 100FSB. This way you can still use old edo 72pinns if you want
to @ a 100 FSB. Maybe you should try that out to see if it makes any
difference. If your system runs normal with this setting enabled it
probably is your memory that doesn't work very well with this board.
It's a good board for a good price but it can be picky :-)
Hope this helps you out
Woo hoo! I just posted abo
Linux-Hardware Digest #411
Linux-Hardware Digest #411, Volume #9Fri, 12 Feb 99 01:13:36 EST
Contents:
Re: Problems with SB64PCI (Heiner Kallweit)
Re: SB PCI Audio 64 (Heiner Kallweit)
LT win modems linux bineries and rummers ("karlo")
Re: GTE flamed linux for BillG (Mark Young)
Re: 56k modems. (Jonathan Adams)
Re: Trouble Starting X with correct resolution POST2 ("James Moss")
System performance on differrent processors. PPC, SPARC, ALPHA, and INTEL ("David
A. Frantz")
Re: 56k modems. (garv)
Re: HP Scanjet 5100C (Ruairi McFarlane)
Re: creating a bootable CD (Peter Stein)
AcceleratedX on ThinkPad 770 - Help (Juan Angel Menendez)
compaq/lance trouble (Christian Pfeiffer)
RedHat on a NEC SP9816 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: need help : xcdroast 0.96e and generic scsi ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Question about modem ("None")
ethernet: mismatched read page pointers ("Sarx")
Re: USB Ports (Evgueni Tzvetanov)
Re: SE440BX-2/PII-450MHz (Evgueni Tzvetanov)
Additional Monitors in Xfree86 Database ("sporadic")
Re: Cd-writer under linux (Shashank Misra)
Re: SE440BX-2/PII-450MHz ("karlo")
Date: 10 Feb 1999 20:57:00 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Heiner Kallweit)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problems with SB64PCI
Hi,
recently I bought the SB64PCI from Creative and it works fine under
NT4.0 but so far I'm not able to get it to work under Linux. The system
detects the card with the correct I/O-Port (6200) and IRQ (11) (cat
/proc/pci) and the insmod sound-command does not fail but when I cat
/dev/sndstat it tells me that there are no audio-devices etc.
My SB 64 PCI works fine with 2.2.1 kernel. You are right, the sndstat
device is not supported by the driver. Try playing a WAV or similar via
/dev/dsp. Should be no problem.
Has anyone out there experiences with this card?
Thanks for any hints.
Stefan Abeln
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Heiner
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* Heiner Kallweit, Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
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Date: 10 Feb 1999 21:01:00 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Heiner Kallweit)
Subject: Re: SB PCI Audio 64
Anyone been able to get this popular audio chip working on linux.
In any form even just emulating a 16 bit card or SB Pro?
Works fine with the included drivers since the 2.1.13x kernels.
What's your problem ?
I'm not holding my breath on this one because even dos needs a utiltiy to
get it to recognise the card as a standard SB.
You only need special software to play MIDI-files. Try kmidi or timidity.
Since I'm running linux with lilo I can't load this utilility in dos then
switch to Linux.
btw I'm using suse 5.3.
Heiner
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* Heiner Kallweit, Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
**
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From: "karlo" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: LT win modems linux bineries and rummers
Date: 11 Feb 1999 23:47:38 GMT
I heard in this nes group a while ago that Lucent technologies were
developing bineries for Linux for their LT wincrap modems
Anyone know more?
thanks
karlo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Young)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.dcom.xdsl
Subject: Re: GTE flamed linux for BillG
Date: 12 Feb 1999 01:24:59 GMT
In article 79ts5m$qjj$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miguel Cruz)
writes:
| James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| My isp, mtt.ca, will also terminate adsl service if the account is using
| anything other than windows. Apparently, MacOs has crashed some systems,
|
| That's flat-out ridiculous. How can MacOS crash anything? What "some
| systems"? It's amazing how these people always think that working in a
| computer-related firm grants them carte blanche to talk out of their ass
| about things they don't even approach understanding.
no kidding...in fact, I heard it just the opposite...that windows was
crashing itself and so many other systems, and has reduced the overall
productivty of s many people, that many of the telcos, and, uh, the
government...yeah, the government, them too...well, they're thinking of
forcing everyone to switch over to macs...
I heard it from a friend's mother who was talking to the fellow whose
wife is supposed to be really really good friends with another woman
who's really really smart.
that's what I heard anyway...
;-)
...myoung
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myoung
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From: Jonathan Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 56k modems.
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:47:19 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would have to say external
Hmm. Really. What are you using?
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From: "James Moss" [EMAI
