Re: High load average on IBM xSeries 335
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:58:19PM +0200, WildLove - Elad Almadoi wrote: > Hey! [snip] > Here's my 'top' command: > 8:56pm up 3 days, 23:41, 1 user, load average: 27.03, 19.53, 15.26 > 426 processes: 395 sleeping, 3 running, 28 zombie, 0 stopped > CPU0 states: 8.8% user, 11.2% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle > CPU1 states: 12.2% user, 7.1% system, 0.0% nice, 80.5% idle > CPU2 states: 10.1% user, 9.7% system, 0.0% nice, 80.0% idle > CPU3 states: 8.6% user, 11.4% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle > Mem: 1551152K av, 1435796K used, 115356K free, 0K shrd, 101496K > buff > Swap: 2040244K av, 139388K used, 1900856K free 772576K > cached > Hopefully some one know my answer Maybe you have processes in the 'D' state? Check with ps. The most common reason is processes accessing NFS mounts that are somehow unavailable. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help making Radeon 9000 work with XFree 4.3.0
0. Radeon 9000 (imho) IS supported by http://dri.sf.net check it out - they have a whole XFree86-dri server tree for debian sid with all of the drivers inside. (you don't have to recompile your kernel at all if this works) dri.sf.net drivers DO use native kernel radeon drm module. ATI's proprietry drivers DO NOT SUPPORT kernel native radeon drm drivers 1. compile your kernel withOUT drm support at all ( or as modules but do not load those) 2. compile your kernel WITH agpart. 3. then install ATI's module into the kernel ( you better recompile it before that) 4. curse William Gates. 5. run glxinfo to check for "direct rendering: YES" 6. make count 0 work don't taint your kernel for no reason. regards Boris. See http://www.tux.org/lkml/#export-tainted for information about tainted modules /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o: init_module: Operation not permitted Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o: insmod fglrx failed --- Thanks, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help making Radeon 9000 work with XFree 4.3.0
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > > > I don't like to give consultation on non free software, but I'll try to help > > Thanks. > > What are other options if I want to get the most out of my hardware? > I did a lot of googling over the last month since I bought this > hardware and am still confused. If I get it right then there is some > effort to write an open driver for ATI but it's not complete, and that > the 2.6 kernel is supposed to include better built-in support for DRI, > am I right? > There is the dri cvs tree which has support for Radeon up to 9000 or 9200 iirc and drivers from ATI. both work, I don't know the comparisons. The kernel modules on 2.4 are for X 4.2, for X 4.3 you need to download the drivers from dri cvs (don't know what ati provides). mach64 doesn't have built in support, you need the cvs version. I think that the 2.6 ac kernels have mach64 don't think the regular ones have. > > anyway - is the fglrx kernel module loaded? what does "dmesg" say when you > > try to load it if you do? > > Dmesg: > --- > [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 430 MBytes. > [fglrx:firegl_stub_register] *ERROR* Fire GL kernel module has to be > loaded prior to any other DRM kernel module! > --- > I tried to reboot to single user (real reboot, not "down from > multiuser") and force load of this module from there, but still get the > same message. > > The "modprobe -v fglrx" says: > --- > /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o > Using /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o > Symbol version prefix '' > Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o will taint the > kernel: non-GPL license - Proprietary. (C) 2002 - ATI Technologies, > Starnberg, GERMANY >See http://www.tux.org/lkml/#export-tainted for information about > tainted modules > /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o: init_module: Operation not permitted > Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, > including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. >You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg > /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o: insmod > /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o failed > /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o: insmod fglrx failed > --- > > Thanks, > > --Amos > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distro with 2.6 kernel ?
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 15:06, Oded Arbel wrote: > Speaking of cutting edge distros - > I'm looking for a distro that comes out of the box with a 2.6-testX kernel - > anyone know of such a thing ? > > Thx Its not out of the box, but debian has a package for 2.6.0-test7 right now. I am guessing you won't see a distro having an out of the box installation with 2.6 until it goes stable. -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help making Radeon 9000 work with XFree 4.3.0
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 22:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to make Xfree86 4.3.0 on Debian unstable (taken from > http://people.debian.org/~mmagallo/packages/xfree86/i386) > work with a Radeon 9000 (not PRO) with AMD Athlon 2500 with > no success. > There is a Xfree86 4.3 version in experimental. There are also debian versions of the cvs dri trunk for X (you may need experimental version for them since there are some directory differences. I tried using the regular binaries with debian version and didn't work). Look at http://www.retinalburn.net under the binary downloads look at the bleeding edge link and there are directions for debian. There are also new proprietry drivers from ati which should cover Radeon 9000 iirc and support dri. Try googling for firegl and linux. > The closest instructions I found about this are at: > http://space.virgilio.it/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/debian/fglrx-installer.html > but what I get from X's logs are: > > (II) fglrx(0): [drm] drmOpen failed > (EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed! > (WW) fglrx(0): *** > (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * > (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) * > (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) * > (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available* > (WW) fglrx(0): * * > (II) fglrx(0): FBADPhys: 0xd400 FBMappedSize: 0x0400 > (==) fglrx(0): Write-combining range (0xd400,0x400) > (II) fglrx(0): FBMM initialized for area (0,0)-(1280,8191) > (II) fglrx(0): FBMM auto alloc for area (0,0)-(1280,1024) (front color buffer > - assumption) > > Which I assume means that I have 2D speedup but no 3D speedup, > and indeed glgears doesn't run faster with this driver than without > it (about 500 fps). > > I've put some relevant files and program outputs at: > http://192.117.105.145/xfree-linux-il-question-031019 > > Any help or hints would be greatly appreciated, > > Thanks, > > --Amos > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 17:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Aviram Jenik wrote: > > AFAIK if your MERKAZYIA supports pppoe (most of them do now), you should be ok > > As far as I learned about this - PPPoE vs. PPTP has nothing to do with > the telco's exchange. PPPoE and PPTP are used only between the computer > and the modem, once the data reaches the modem it (the modem) tucks it > into PPPoA (PPP over ATM) and sends it into Bezeq's ATM cloud. > > Is Jess around to approve/deny this? > IIRC the modem connects to the local MERKAZYIA (DSLAM if my memory serves me) using atm (cells) protocol, which is then routed over an atm line to the provider. Over that ATM you encapsulate the data in one of several methods. The ones I remember are PPPoE, PPPoA and Bridged Ethernet (I belive the last one, at list in the 2.4.17 days needed a kernel patch, don't remeber seeing it in current official kernel though). I am not sure if bezeq actually has anything to do with these or whether they are dependent on the provider (iirc the second). I think that all bezeq cares about are the vpn/vcn (the virtual path and virtual conection) which states where the connection is routed. > > with _all_ of the ADSL routers out there. I heard of many people that bought > > pppoe-capable devices and all of them worked here. pptp is a totally > > different mess, though. > > Ah, that's good news then. > > Would love to hear more than anecdotal evidence, though. > > Cheers, > > --Amos > > (I keep having sort of a deja-vu from the SLIP vs. PPP days - PPTP > sounds like the ad-hoc hack that SLIP used to be back in the old days, > and people couldn't understand why I bother with PPP when SLIP is so > much simpler). > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what are the best security sites ?
I got my security HOWTOs from http://www.tldp.org Netfilter/iptables info from http://www.netfilter.org Securing Red-Hat Linux 9.0 pdf file from http://www.redhat.com regards Boris. Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Hi what are the best security web sites that have a good DB and monitor all the OS. ( win98, linux, cisco ... ) -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AOL doesn't accept mail - free relaying of email
Hi, I happen to stumble across the AOL antispam policies several times all large Israeli (might be international as well) ISPs suffer from those. AOL have a self-developed heuristic anti-spam mechanism. This program finds out who is the owner of the IP block that the spam message is sent from and sends a complaint to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for every spam message recieved. If the owner of the IP block passed a certain level of spam - AOL just block all IP addresses owned by that entity. AOL done that because ISPs where saying "We don't care if one of our clients spams AOL users". Now all customers suffer from this if their ISP got blocked by AOL. regards Boris. Arie Folger wrote: Hi, We discussed this matter in the past, that AOL decided no longer to accept mail from servers that relay mail freely or have open proxies. The funny thing is that I am on a private network, and should therefore not be visible to the outside world, definitely not as a mail server. So, am I right to conclude that this complaint of AOL's is directed towards my ISP? Or is it towards the ADSL router of ours? Also, I mailed them a complaint letter why they shouldn't maintain such a policy, but they didn't even bother to reply. Arie Folger = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: High load average on IBM xSeries 335
It's something with the apache, In the moment I shut it down the LA drops to 0.01-0.50 The problem is that I can not reinstall the apache since it's "ensimed", I mean, "Ensim" (the control panel I was talking about) changed the apache to work with that stupid control panel In the night for example, when there's almost none usage of the apache and the SQL, it's also dropped down to 0.* It there any kind of config in the apache may cause it? - Original Message - From: "Tzafrir Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:33 AM Subject: Re: High load average on IBM xSeries 335 > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 12:14:51AM +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote: > > 1. The load average is 1,5,15 minutes. > > 2. You're right. the memory is almost all used. I think a restart for the > > services (Apache+MySQL), might do some good at freeing some memory. > > Unless this is some runaway process which won't be killed by this > restart. Have you checked that the problem is indeed with one of those > two? > > A more immidiate cure is to "pause" (kill -STOP) some problematic > processes. If you have some 100 processes working and taking memory, > stop them all, and release them in small groups, so they'll be able to > not use much more than the availble physical memory. > > > 3. Swapping can also explain about busy I/O are slow response to disk > > commands (like ls and friends). I think this point was only talked about > > in private messages with me. I'm not sure. > > The shell process has to be swapped into physical memory each time it needs > the CPU. > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen +---+ > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: High load average on IBM xSeries 335
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 12:14:51AM +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote: > 1. The load average is 1,5,15 minutes. > 2. You're right. the memory is almost all used. I think a restart for the > services (Apache+MySQL), might do some good at freeing some memory. Unless this is some runaway process which won't be killed by this restart. Have you checked that the problem is indeed with one of those two? A more immidiate cure is to "pause" (kill -STOP) some problematic processes. If you have some 100 processes working and taking memory, stop them all, and release them in small groups, so they'll be able to not use much more than the availble physical memory. > 3. Swapping can also explain about busy I/O are slow response to disk > commands (like ls and friends). I think this point was only talked about > in private messages with me. I'm not sure. The shell process has to be swapped into physical memory each time it needs the CPU. -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: High load average on IBM xSeries 335
1. The load average is 1,5,15 minutes.
2. You're right. the memory is almost all used. I think a restart for the
services (Apache+MySQL), might do some good at freeing some memory.
3. Swapping can also explain about busy I/O are slow response to disk
commands (like ls and friends). I think this point was only talked about
in private messages with me. I'm not sure.
Lior Kaplan
Guides.co.il
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:58:19PM +0200, WildLove - Elad Almadoi wrote:
>> Hey!
>> I'm runing IBM xSeries 335 (aka IBM x335) with:
>> IBM x335 rackmount (xSeries)
>> CPU: Dual Intel Xeon 2.6GHz (533MHz)
>> Hardrives: IBM 36.4GB 10K-rpm Ultra160 SCSI Hot-Swap x 2 (1 is connected
>> as
>> a mirror (raid-1) for constant backup
>> Operating System: RedHat 7.3 + Ensim Pro 3.5.19
>> RAM: 1.5 GB DDR PC2100 ECC - 2 DIMMs
>> Single-Channel Ultra320 SCSI Controller
>> Dual BROADCOM NetXtreme BCM5703X 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet
>> as a server in the IGLD ranch.
>> It got on it a system named "Ensim" (ensim.com) that is a control panel
>> for
>> webhosting providers.
>> on a P3 700, the load was 1-5 therefor it's dont seems like overload
>> some information:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wildlove]$ uptime
>> 8:52pm up 3 days, 23:37, 1 user, load average: 19.59, 15.61, 13.39
>>
>> By using 'free -m' command I see that:
>>
>> Total memory: 1514, used memory: 1442, free memory: 72
>> Buffers\cache, used: 655, free: 859
>> Total swap: 1992, used 136, free 1856
>> Runing kernel 2.4.22, compiled from source code and not rpm (Tryed
>> redhat
>> 7.3 rpms for 2.4.20 and 2.4.18, both was even higher!)
>> Here's my 'top' command:
>> 8:56pm up 3 days, 23:41, 1 user, load average: 27.03, 19.53, 15.26
>> 426 processes: 395 sleeping, 3 running, 28 zombie, stopped
>> CPU0 states: 8.8% user, 11.2% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle
>> CPU1 states: 12.2% user, 7.1% system, 0.0% nice, 80.5% idle
>> CPU2 states: 10.1% user, 9.7% system, 0.0% nice, 80.0% idle
>> CPU3 states: 8.6% user, 11.4% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle
>> Mem: 1551152K av, 1435796K used, 115356K free, 0K shrd, 101496K
>> buff
>> Swap: 2040244K av, 139388K used, 1900856K free 772576K
>> cached
>> Hopefully some one know my answer
>> Thnks in advance!
>
> Load avarage is relatively high (though I'm not sure what "high" means
> for your system.). What's worse: it seems to be increasing.
>
> The load avarage is the avarage number of porcesses that are ready to
> run in the last {5 minutes, 10 minutes (?), 1 hour}.
>
> Try running "ps auxww |grep ' R '" to see processes ready to run.
>
> Your system is mostly busy with IO: the CPUs are mostly idle and busy
> with system. Probably they are mostly swapping memory pages in and out,
> and spend very little time doing actual work.
>
> So you probably have too many processes for your current memory size.
> Either find who uses memory highly inefficiently, or get more memory.
>
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Re: mount --bind, idebus questions
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Hi all, Hi, > I have recently bought a new hardisk. aside from the vast new spaces now > available to me, I have a couple of questions. > 1. > I partitioned the disk to segments (copied my old system over instead of > reinstalling - worked great). /usr resides on a different partition. I > have a couple of programs that install into /opt, however. I did not > want them to share filesystem with /, and I did not want to open a new > partition for them (space fragmentation, and never mind that I have over > 40GB of unpartitioned space in case I need them, and that I have data > that used to fit into an 11GB partition now sitting on 60GB). > > What I did was to create a directory called /usr/opt, and mount it with > "mount --bind /usr/opt /opt". Now here's the question - is there a way > to put such mapping into /etc/fstab, so it will be performed > automatically on each boot? I know I can do that with boot scripts, but > I rather have all partition information into one place. Is there > possibly a way to use some mount option instead of a mount command line > option? Why not simply ln -s /usr/opt /opt? Don't know about your question. > 2. > On boot, I get the following message: > "Assuming 33MHz bus. Use idebus=xx to override". I traced it to the > ide-core module. As my new disk is ATA133 (my IDE is only 100, but let's > not be petty), I want to use full speed. I tried putting "options > ide-core idebus=100" into /etc/modules.conf. I can confirm that the > initrd image has that option, but I still get this line during boot. I > tried passing it as a kernel command (append in lilo.conf) - no juice. I have passed idebus=66 to kernel and it worked out. Try 66 first. > These are two questions, which are pretty unrelated - should I at all be > worried about this? It seems to me like ide-core uses some temporary > driver until the proper driver, piix, is loaded. Is this message still > relevant when my system is up? Is there any way for me to confirm this? Perhaps hdparm benchmarks? Oh I couldn't confirm this myself too. > The second question is how do I pass this parameter. Even if it doesn't > matter, it annoys me when something tells me "use this paramter", and > goes on to say so even after I have /used/ that parameter. > > And here is one last question, to make my couple of questions a nice > round 4 - how do I check which PIO mode my IDE is using? hdparm has an > option to set PIO, but not to check what it is. I tried using hdparm's > benchmark with the various settings, and could spot no difference whats > o' ever. Still... Actually it should not use PIO, in favor of DMA. BTW hdparm -I would show the supported modes, with a start character showing the enabled mode. > Shachar behdad, who is going to study after finishing this mail. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distro with 2.6 kernel ?
Mandrake 9.2 has a 2.6 in it's contrib.
I compiled a 2.6 and installed it, without touching anything (except "urpmi
modules-init-tools")
ביום שני, 20 באוקטובר 2003, 16:29, נכתב על ידי Oded Arbel:
> On Monday 20 October 2003 16:17, Aviram Jenik wrote:
> > On Monday 20 October 2003 15:06, Oded Arbel wrote:
> > > Speaking of cutting edge distros -
> > > I'm looking for a distro that comes out of the box with a 2.6-testX
> > > kernel
- anyone know of such a thing ?
> >
> > What's wrong with:
> >
> > make menuconfig
> > make && make install && make modules_install
> >
> > Easier than installing a new distro IMO :-)
>
> Thing is - I want to install a new distro. I have a computer with no linux
> and for various reasons I want to install on it a distro with 2.6 - where
> the installer itself uses 2.6.
>
> If I understand there is currently no such beast, right ?
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Re: kernel q
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:44:09PM +0200, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: > Quoth Muli Ben-Yehuda: > > > Simplest, but it's also considered a fairly ugly hack :P > > Ugly, yes. However, when you want performance and wish to avoid caching > (the latter Erez states and the first I interpolate, possibly wrongly) > and, self-admittedly, being much less conversant with optimization than > you ;-) - I suspect he would also want contiguity which, notwithstanding > the kmalloc call's availablity, is, under most real-life circumstances, > an ineffective mechanism vis-a-vis its inability to claim a significant > amount of memory, this being in use by the kernel itself and, therefore, > not available for use for any significant or interesting size, namely - > pretty much anything over a quarter meg, the latter number being the > kernel's limit in any case, as far as I remeber. > > If you have parsed the above sentence, please suggest a more elegant > solution and a less inelegant hack. The elegance of a solution depends on how well it answers the requirements, of course, which are inadequately specified in this case. Assuming the need for a large contigous chunk of physical memory, allocating it when the kernel boots up through the usual facilities (get_free_pages) and exporting it to userspace via mmap on a device file seems and remap_page_range seem to be the prefered way to go. In general, the mem=XXX trick is "working outside the system", and thus considered ugly. Any solution that achieves the same goal while working within the confines of the system, system being the Linux kernel in this case, scores points on elegance. vis-a-vis kmalloc's slab allocator's inherent limit of 131702 bytes, if you need a single physically contigous area larger than the above, you have several options: use mem=XXX, carve it out of the memory maps we build during boot (ugly and intrusive), or use alloc_bootmem to allocate it during boot. This is probably the best way to go with stock kernels. There's also a patch floating around since 1.3.xx days called 'bigphysarea' which does pretty much what the name implies, but it has never been included AFAIK. > And yes - it is a hack, but an effective one. That was never contended, oh wielder-of-the-differential-scsi-cable. > > physical memory non cached is fairly architecture dependant, AFAIK. > > I assume x86, which may be wrong. Erez? > > ObLanguage - Ah - verbal contortions. I seem to be the Sir Humphrey of > Linux IL. Oh, said contortions are quite pleasant. Do go on ;-) Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: High load average on IBM xSeries 335
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:58:19PM +0200, WildLove - Elad Almadoi wrote:
> Hey!
> I'm runing IBM xSeries 335 (aka IBM x335) with:
> IBM x335 rackmount (xSeries)
> CPU: Dual Intel Xeon 2.6GHz (533MHz)
> Hardrives: IBM 36.4GB 10K-rpm Ultra160 SCSI Hot-Swap x 2 (1 is connected as
> a mirror (raid-1) for constant backup
> Operating System: RedHat 7.3 + Ensim Pro 3.5.19
> RAM: 1.5 GB DDR PC2100 ECC - 2 DIMMs
> Single-Channel Ultra320 SCSI Controller
> Dual BROADCOM NetXtreme BCM5703X 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet
> as a server in the IGLD ranch.
> It got on it a system named "Ensim" (ensim.com) that is a control panel for
> webhosting providers.
> on a P3 700, the load was 1-5 therefor it's dont seems like overload
> some information:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wildlove]$ uptime
> 8:52pm up 3 days, 23:37, 1 user, load average: 19.59, 15.61, 13.39
>
> By using 'free -m' command I see that:
>
> Total memory: 1514, used memory: 1442, free memory: 72
> Buffers\cache, used: 655, free: 859
> Total swap: 1992, used 136, free 1856
> Runing kernel 2.4.22, compiled from source code and not rpm (Tryed redhat
> 7.3 rpms for 2.4.20 and 2.4.18, both was even higher!)
> Here's my 'top' command:
> 8:56pm up 3 days, 23:41, 1 user, load average: 27.03, 19.53, 15.26
> 426 processes: 395 sleeping, 3 running, 28 zombie, 0 stopped
> CPU0 states: 8.8% user, 11.2% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle
> CPU1 states: 12.2% user, 7.1% system, 0.0% nice, 80.5% idle
> CPU2 states: 10.1% user, 9.7% system, 0.0% nice, 80.0% idle
> CPU3 states: 8.6% user, 11.4% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle
> Mem: 1551152K av, 1435796K used, 115356K free, 0K shrd, 101496K
> buff
> Swap: 2040244K av, 139388K used, 1900856K free 772576K
> cached
> Hopefully some one know my answer
> Thnks in advance!
Load avarage is relatively high (though I'm not sure what "high" means
for your system.). What's worse: it seems to be increasing.
The load avarage is the avarage number of porcesses that are ready to
run in the last {5 minutes, 10 minutes (?), 1 hour}.
Try running "ps auxww |grep ' R '" to see processes ready to run.
Your system is mostly busy with IO: the CPUs are mostly idle and busy
with system. Probably they are mostly swapping memory pages in and out,
and spend very little time doing actual work.
So you probably have too many processes for your current memory size.
Either find who uses memory highly inefficiently, or get more memory.
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Re: High load average on IBM xSeries 335
Hi What kernel are you using ? is it the latest from RedHat ? Have you tried disabling HT in the Bios? I know some kernels are having problems with it . Later then Erez - Original Message - From: "WildLove - Elad Almadoi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: High load average on IBM xSeries 335 > Hey! > I'm runing IBM xSeries 335 (aka IBM x335) with: > IBM x335 rackmount (xSeries) > CPU: Dual Intel Xeon 2.6GHz (533MHz) > Hardrives: IBM 36.4GB 10K-rpm Ultra160 SCSI Hot-Swap x 2 (1 is connected as > a mirror (raid-1) for constant backup > Operating System: RedHat 7.3 + Ensim Pro 3.5.19 > RAM: 1.5 GB DDR PC2100 ECC - 2 DIMMs > Single-Channel Ultra320 SCSI Controller > Dual BROADCOM NetXtreme BCM5703X 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet > as a server in the IGLD ranch. > It got on it a system named "Ensim" (ensim.com) that is a control panel for > webhosting providers. > on a P3 700, the load was 1-5 therefor it's dont seems like overload > some information: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wildlove]$ uptime > 8:52pm up 3 days, 23:37, 1 user, load average: 19.59, 15.61, 13.39 > > By using 'free -m' command I see that: > > Total memory: 1514, used memory: 1442, free memory: 72 > Buffers\cache, used: 655, free: 859 > Total swap: 1992, used 136, free 1856 > Runing kernel 2.4.22, compiled from source code and not rpm (Tryed redhat > 7.3 rpms for 2.4.20 and 2.4.18, both was even higher!) > Here's my 'top' command: > 8:56pm up 3 days, 23:41, 1 user, load average: 27.03, 19.53, 15.26 > 426 processes: 395 sleeping, 3 running, 28 zombie, 0 stopped > CPU0 states: 8.8% user, 11.2% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle > CPU1 states: 12.2% user, 7.1% system, 0.0% nice, 80.5% idle > CPU2 states: 10.1% user, 9.7% system, 0.0% nice, 80.0% idle > CPU3 states: 8.6% user, 11.4% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle > Mem: 1551152K av, 1435796K used, 115356K free, 0K shrd, 101496K > buff > Swap: 2040244K av, 139388K used, 1900856K free 772576K > cached > Hopefully some one know my answer > Thnks in advance! > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel q
Quoth Muli Ben-Yehuda: > Simplest, but it's also considered a fairly ugly hack :P Ugly, yes. However, when you want performance and wish to avoid caching (the latter Erez states and the first I interpolate, possibly wrongly) and, self-admittedly, being much less conversant with optimization than you ;-) - I suspect he would also want contiguity which, notwithstanding the kmalloc call's availablity, is, under most real-life circumstances, an ineffective mechanism vis-a-vis its inability to claim a significant amount of memory, this being in use by the kernel itself and, therefore, not available for use for any significant or interesting size, namely - pretty much anything over a quarter meg, the latter number being the kernel's limit in any case, as far as I remeber. If you have parsed the above sentence, please suggest a more elegant solution and a less inelegant hack. And yes - it is a hack, but an effective one. > physical memory non cached is fairly architecture dependant, AFAIK. I assume x86, which may be wrong. Erez? ObLanguage - Ah - verbal contortions. I seem to be the Sir Humphrey of Linux IL. -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: High load average on IBM xSeries 335
Hey, Thanks for your time But it make no sence that my server takes sometime about 4 seconds to respone to 'ls' command just because I've got 2 CPU's (By the way, its only 2 with HT) - Original Message - From: "Lior Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:15 PM Subject: Re: High load average on IBM xSeries 335 > Hi, > > AFAIK: > The load average is the number of tasks in your CPU's input queue. Since > you have more than 1 CPU, the system tries to break each job it has to as > many task it can, so each will be processed in a different CPU. > > Meaning: you should have a hieghier load average. I think the results are > normal for a 4 way server. > > Corrent me if I'm wrong. > > Lior Kaplan > Guides.co.il > > > > Hey! > > I'm runing IBM xSeries 335 (aka IBM x335) with: > > IBM x335 rackmount (xSeries) > > CPU: Dual Intel Xeon 2.6GHz (533MHz) > > Hardrives: IBM 36.4GB 10K-rpm Ultra160 SCSI Hot-Swap x 2 (1 is connected > > as > > a mirror (raid-1) for constant backup > > Operating System: RedHat 7.3 + Ensim Pro 3.5.19 > > RAM: 1.5 GB DDR PC2100 ECC - 2 DIMMs > > Single-Channel Ultra320 SCSI Controller > > Dual BROADCOM NetXtreme BCM5703X 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet > > as a server in the IGLD ranch. > > It got on it a system named "Ensim" (ensim.com) that is a control panel > > for > > webhosting providers. > > on a P3 700, the load was 1-5 therefor it's dont seems like overload > > some information: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wildlove]$ uptime > > 8:52pm up 3 days, 23:37, 1 user, load average: 19.59, 15.61, 13.39 > > > > By using 'free -m' command I see that: > > > > Total memory: 1514, used memory: 1442, free memory: 72 > > Buffers\cache, used: 655, free: 859 > > Total swap: 1992, used 136, free 1856 > > Runing kernel 2.4.22, compiled from source code and not rpm (Tryed redhat > > 7.3 rpms for 2.4.20 and 2.4.18, both was even higher!) > > Here's my 'top' command: > > 8:56pm up 3 days, 23:41, 1 user, load average: 27.03, 19.53, 15.26 > > 426 processes: 395 sleeping, 3 running, 28 zombie, stopped > > CPU0 states: 8.8% user, 11.2% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle > > CPU1 states: 12.2% user, 7.1% system, 0.0% nice, 80.5% idle > > CPU2 states: 10.1% user, 9.7% system, 0.0% nice, 80.0% idle > > CPU3 states: 8.6% user, 11.4% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle > > Mem: 1551152K av, 1435796K used, 115356K free, 0K shrd, 101496K > > buff > > Swap: 2040244K av, 139388K used, 1900856K free 772576K > > cached > > Hopefully some one know my answer > > Thnks in advance! > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: High load average on IBM xSeries 335
Hi, AFAIK: The load average is the number of tasks in your CPU's input queue. Since you have more than 1 CPU, the system tries to break each job it has to as many task it can, so each will be processed in a different CPU. Meaning: you should have a hieghier load average. I think the results are normal for a 4 way server. Corrent me if I'm wrong. Lior Kaplan Guides.co.il > Hey! > I'm runing IBM xSeries 335 (aka IBM x335) with: > IBM x335 rackmount (xSeries) > CPU: Dual Intel Xeon 2.6GHz (533MHz) > Hardrives: IBM 36.4GB 10K-rpm Ultra160 SCSI Hot-Swap x 2 (1 is connected > as > a mirror (raid-1) for constant backup > Operating System: RedHat 7.3 + Ensim Pro 3.5.19 > RAM: 1.5 GB DDR PC2100 ECC - 2 DIMMs > Single-Channel Ultra320 SCSI Controller > Dual BROADCOM NetXtreme BCM5703X 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet > as a server in the IGLD ranch. > It got on it a system named "Ensim" (ensim.com) that is a control panel > for > webhosting providers. > on a P3 700, the load was 1-5 therefor it's dont seems like overload > some information: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wildlove]$ uptime > 8:52pm up 3 days, 23:37, 1 user, load average: 19.59, 15.61, 13.39 > > By using 'free -m' command I see that: > > Total memory: 1514, used memory: 1442, free memory: 72 > Buffers\cache, used: 655, free: 859 > Total swap: 1992, used 136, free 1856 > Runing kernel 2.4.22, compiled from source code and not rpm (Tryed redhat > 7.3 rpms for 2.4.20 and 2.4.18, both was even higher!) > Here's my 'top' command: > 8:56pm up 3 days, 23:41, 1 user, load average: 27.03, 19.53, 15.26 > 426 processes: 395 sleeping, 3 running, 28 zombie, stopped > CPU0 states: 8.8% user, 11.2% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle > CPU1 states: 12.2% user, 7.1% system, 0.0% nice, 80.5% idle > CPU2 states: 10.1% user, 9.7% system, 0.0% nice, 80.0% idle > CPU3 states: 8.6% user, 11.4% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle > Mem: 1551152K av, 1435796K used, 115356K free, 0K shrd, 101496K > buff > Swap: 2040244K av, 139388K used, 1900856K free 772576K > cached > Hopefully some one know my answer > Thnks in advance! > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel q
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:46:48PM +0200, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: > Quoth Erez Doron: > > > i am using copy_from_user and copy_to_user functions. > > how do i make that physical memory non cached ? > > The simplest way is to snarf a block of contiguous memory OUTside the > kernel, export it and write to/read from it somehow (e.g. by mmap, etc). Simplest, but it's also considered a fairly ugly hack :P Erez, what are you trying to do, and on which arch? how to make physical memory non cached is fairly architecture dependant, AFAIK. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: kernel q
Quoth Erez Doron: > i am using copy_from_user and copy_to_user functions. > how do i make that physical memory non cached ? The simplest way is to snarf a block of contiguous memory OUTside the kernel, export it and write to/read from it somehow (e.g. by mmap, etc). Cheerio -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel q
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Erez Doron wrote: > i am using copy_from_user and copy_to_user functions. > how do i make that physical memory non cached ? > ( it seems to write when it wants and read adresses i didnt ask it to read) can you explain what do you mean by 'reads when it wants to'? after you 'copy_from_user', your kernel-space buffer does not contain the data that exists in the user-space buffer? if this is the case - you seem to have some bug in your code. the same should be for the writing part, i.e. after 'copy_to_user', the user-space buffer should contain the desired text. why do you think caching is your problem, anyway? also, in what context do you use these functions? a system call? an interrupt handler? -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ADSL working with ECI B-Focus Router 270PR
I took the router from Bezeq in the afternoon and it is now working just fine! All I really had to do to get it working under RedHat 9 was: rpm -ivh rp-pppoe adsl-setup adsl-start /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp1 Thanks again for all the help! Now doing "cvs get gimp" is just a question of a few minutes. 8-) Regards, Dov On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:03:09PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dov Grobgeld wrote: > > > Thanks for this and all the other recommendations. In the end I decided > > to upgrade to 750kBaud ADSL and take the Bezeq provided ECI 270PR router. > > I let them now my discontent about having to buy a faster connection > > (and paying more) than I need only because I am using Linux, but > > That's a shame, you could probably get your hands on an ADSL modem > abroad if you had the patience. > > > screaming into /dev/null is probably as effective. I'm getting the > > router this afternoon and will then try to set it up. Are there any > > good links with instructions of what I have to do to my system (RH9) to get > > it working? > > Start with "PPPoE Linux" and you should find lots of stuff about this. > It's pretty stright forward, especially from what I saw about RH9 (never > tried it myself, though). I think IGLU or guides.co.il and friends have > Hebrew docs if you must (look through whatsup.co.il). > > > > > Btw, once I have the fast connection I'm thinking of creating a > > partition with bleeding edge Linux setup. Does someone have a good > > suggestion about a good distribution /environment for continously > > updating all packages? > > My debian unstable updates virtually every day (depends on which > packages you have installed). And you if you have the time for this > then find experimental repositories (like "unofficial KDE" or > "gnome cvs" or somesuch) and report bugs about them too. > > If you like hearing your machine crunch binaries all the time (other > than rebuilding X11 in a loop :)) then Gentoo is probably for you... > > --Amos > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
High load average on IBM xSeries 335
Hey! I'm runing IBM xSeries 335 (aka IBM x335) with: IBM x335 rackmount (xSeries) CPU: Dual Intel Xeon 2.6GHz (533MHz) Hardrives: IBM 36.4GB 10K-rpm Ultra160 SCSI Hot-Swap x 2 (1 is connected as a mirror (raid-1) for constant backup Operating System: RedHat 7.3 + Ensim Pro 3.5.19 RAM: 1.5 GB DDR PC2100 ECC - 2 DIMMs Single-Channel Ultra320 SCSI Controller Dual BROADCOM NetXtreme BCM5703X 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet as a server in the IGLD ranch. It got on it a system named "Ensim" (ensim.com) that is a control panel for webhosting providers. on a P3 700, the load was 1-5 therefor it's dont seems like overload some information: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wildlove]$ uptime 8:52pm up 3 days, 23:37, 1 user, load average: 19.59, 15.61, 13.39 By using 'free -m' command I see that: Total memory: 1514, used memory: 1442, free memory: 72 Buffers\cache, used: 655, free: 859 Total swap: 1992, used 136, free 1856 Runing kernel 2.4.22, compiled from source code and not rpm (Tryed redhat 7.3 rpms for 2.4.20 and 2.4.18, both was even higher!) Here's my 'top' command: 8:56pm up 3 days, 23:41, 1 user, load average: 27.03, 19.53, 15.26 426 processes: 395 sleeping, 3 running, 28 zombie, 0 stopped CPU0 states: 8.8% user, 11.2% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle CPU1 states: 12.2% user, 7.1% system, 0.0% nice, 80.5% idle CPU2 states: 10.1% user, 9.7% system, 0.0% nice, 80.0% idle CPU3 states: 8.6% user, 11.4% system, 0.0% nice, 79.8% idle Mem: 1551152K av, 1435796K used, 115356K free, 0K shrd, 101496K buff Swap: 2040244K av, 139388K used, 1900856K free 772576K cached Hopefully some one know my answer Thnks in advance! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:21:11PM +0200, Gil Freund wrote: > Shaul Karl wrote: > >On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 08:02:17PM +0200, Gil Freund wrote: > > > >>I changed two ADSL connections (diffarent ISP, different cities) to > >>PPPoE, using the older Elcatel Soho modems. The actual connection is > >>from Netscreen firewalls. > >> > > > > > > > > `The actual connection is from Netscreen firewalls.' > >What do you mean by that? > > The Netscreen device is the PPPoE client. The Alctel devices act only as > modems. > Am I right that it is _your_ PPPoE client, not something that Bezeq use? -- Shaul Karl,shaulk @ actcom . net . il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:24:36AM +0200, Alexander Cheskis wrote: > Hi, > > 1. I took Samsung ADSL modem from BEZEQ 1 year ago (everyone can do it, > taking >750kbps), > and replaced its VxWorks firmware, making it works like NAT/DHCP router. > Cause Samsung supports PPPoE, you don't need to configure Linux station at > all. DHCP configured all params automatically. > The one thing you have to do: add/remove/change your ISP username/password > using Samsung's build-in web server. > > It's also easy to replace BEZEQ's software back in case of return/failure. > Can you give more details? Some URLs? A full HOWTO? -- Shaul Karl,shaulk @ actcom . net . il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel q
hi i am using copy_from_user and copy_to_user functions. how do i make that physical memory non cached ? ( it seems to write when it wants and read adresses i didnt ask it to read) cheers, erez. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting "XkbOptions" for Xvnc
Thanks, Tzafrir.
Xvnc doesn't support XKB ("XKB extension not present on :1.0"), so
xmodmap did the work.
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:10:19PM +0200, Eli Marmor wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Many of you probably know the option "XkbOptions" of XF86, configured
> > under the section "InputDevice" in the XF86Config file. The reason, of
> > course, is its ability to be used for keyboard switching, for example
> > for Hebrew typing.
> >
> > Does anybody have any idea how to use it under Xvnc?
> > What file should be edited?
>
> Use 'setxkbmap' on the xinitrc file?
>
> IIRC you run it with a custom xinitrc file anyway.
>
> Note that Xvnc is not XFree. You should test everything first. Remomber
> that setxkbmap works by sending a request to the server to creqate a
> specific xkb file, compile it (using xkbcomp) and load it. THat is: the
> server must do some work here.
>
> testing
>
> I don't see any trace of support of the XKB extention in Xvnc (haven't
> looked at the docs, though).
>
> vnc-3.3.3r2-28.2
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Re: distro with 2.6 kernel ?
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 05:36:16PM +0200, Dan Armak wrote: > On Monday 20 October 2003 16:22, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > > Gentoo has 2.6 in its portage tree under : > > > > development-sources/ > > mm-sources/ > > > > does any one knows whats the diffrent between them ? > > -mm tracks Andrew Morton's 2.6-based tree. You can see the patches and > changelogs on a kernel.org mirror under > pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm. For those who don't follow lkml, -mm is an experimental tree. As 2.6 is now in a code freeze, I foresee a slow convergence of -mm and -vanilla. For the time being, -mm has stuff like Ingo's 4/4 split (4 GB of virtual address space for userspace, and 4GB of virtual address space for the kernel), kgdb (kernel debugger) and kgdb over ethernet (as oopsed to serial) and AIO (asynchronous I/O) and lots and lots of small fixes that will make their way to Linus or /dev/null, eventually. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
mount --bind, idebus questions
Hi all, I have recently bought a new hardisk. aside from the vast new spaces now available to me, I have a couple of questions. 1. I partitioned the disk to segments (copied my old system over instead of reinstalling - worked great). /usr resides on a different partition. I have a couple of programs that install into /opt, however. I did not want them to share filesystem with /, and I did not want to open a new partition for them (space fragmentation, and never mind that I have over 40GB of unpartitioned space in case I need them, and that I have data that used to fit into an 11GB partition now sitting on 60GB). What I did was to create a directory called /usr/opt, and mount it with "mount --bind /usr/opt /opt". Now here's the question - is there a way to put such mapping into /etc/fstab, so it will be performed automatically on each boot? I know I can do that with boot scripts, but I rather have all partition information into one place. Is there possibly a way to use some mount option instead of a mount command line option? 2. On boot, I get the following message: "Assuming 33MHz bus. Use idebus=xx to override". I traced it to the ide-core module. As my new disk is ATA133 (my IDE is only 100, but let's not be petty), I want to use full speed. I tried putting "options ide-core idebus=100" into /etc/modules.conf. I can confirm that the initrd image has that option, but I still get this line during boot. I tried passing it as a kernel command (append in lilo.conf) - no juice. These are two questions, which are pretty unrelated - should I at all be worried about this? It seems to me like ide-core uses some temporary driver until the proper driver, piix, is loaded. Is this message still relevant when my system is up? Is there any way for me to confirm this? The second question is how do I pass this parameter. Even if it doesn't matter, it annoys me when something tells me "use this paramter", and goes on to say so even after I have /used/ that parameter. And here is one last question, to make my couple of questions a nice round 4 - how do I check which PIO mode my IDE is using? hdparm has an option to set PIO, but not to check what it is. I tried using hdparm's benchmark with the various settings, and could spot no difference whats o' ever. Still... Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page & resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distro with 2.6 kernel ?
On Monday 20 October 2003 16:22, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > Gentoo has 2.6 in its portage tree under : > > development-sources/ > mm-sources/ > > does any one knows whats the diffrent between them ? -mm tracks Andrew Morton's 2.6-based tree. You can see the patches and changelogs on a kernel.org mirror under pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm. -- Dan Armak Matan, Israel Public GPG key: http://dev.gentoo.org/~danarmak/danarmak-gpg-public.key Fingerprint: DD70 DBF9 E3D4 6CB9 2FDD 0069 508D 9143 8D5F 8951 pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: distro with 2.6 kernel ?
On Monday 20 October 2003 16:17, Aviram Jenik wrote: > On Monday 20 October 2003 15:06, Oded Arbel wrote: > > > Speaking of cutting edge distros - > > I'm looking for a distro that comes out of the box with a 2.6-testX > > kernel - anyone know of such a thing ? > > > > What's wrong with: > > make menuconfig > make && make install && make modules_install > > Easier than installing a new distro IMO :-) Thing is - I want to install a new distro. I have a computer with no linux and for various reasons I want to install on it a distro with 2.6 - where the installer itself uses 2.6. If I understand there is currently no such beast, right ? -- Oded ::.. The world is a simple place, filled with complicated things. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Resoulotion mandating the use of Open Standarts in government communications proposed by ISOC, Hamakor and Microsoft
On Monday 20 October 2003 16:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I concur. > > Is there any road map in that area and if so - what's the next > goal? > There is a road map, but first we must wait patiently (it took us more then a year - most of it just waiting, to get thus far) until this is indeed accepted as a resolution of the sub commitee. When it does, our road map will be to work with ISOC-IL (and any other bodies who wish to partcipate) to help the effected organizations reach complaince and this is really the hard work. Any help in preparing a "standart compliance kit" to educate and explain the subject (not just for web site mind you!) will be much needed soon (we hope!). Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Codefidence. A name you can trust (tm) http://www.codefidence.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distro with 2.6 kernel ?
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 04:17:20PM +0200, Aviram Jenik wrote: > On Monday 20 October 2003 15:06, Oded Arbel wrote: > > Speaking of cutting edge distros - > > I'm looking for a distro that comes out of the box with a 2.6-testX kernel > > - anyone know of such a thing ? > > > What's wrong with: > > make menuconfig > make && make install && make modules_install You mean 'make all && make install' ;-) 2.6 also requires new versions of several userspace utilities, which a distro will probably provide "out of the box". Please read Documentation/Changes and http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt if installing 2.6.0-testX on your own. (Not you, Aviram, everybody else :-)) Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: distro with 2.6 kernel ?
On Monday 20 October 2003 15:06, Oded Arbel wrote: > Speaking of cutting edge distros - > I'm looking for a distro that comes out of the box with a 2.6-testX kernel > - anyone know of such a thing ? Gentoo has ebuilds for vanilla 2.6.0-testx and -mm series kernels, as well as module-init-tools and everything else needed for a 2.6-based system. -- Dan Armak Matan, Israel Public GPG key: http://dev.gentoo.org/~danarmak/danarmak-gpg-public.key Fingerprint: DD70 DBF9 E3D4 6CB9 2FDD 0069 508D 9143 8D5F 8951 pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: distro with 2.6 kernel ?
Gentoo has 2.6 in its portage tree under : development-sources/ mm-sources/ does any one knows whats the diffrent between them ? -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://www.canaan.net.il -- - Original Message - From: "Oded Arbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Linux-IL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: distro with 2.6 kernel ? > > Speaking of cutting edge distros - > I'm looking for a distro that comes out of the box with a 2.6-testX kernel - > anyone know of such a thing ? > > Thx > > -- > Oded > > ::.. > The size of an avalanche is unrelated to the grain of sand that triggers it. > The same tiny grain of sand may unleash a tiny avalanche or the largest > avalanche of the century. Big and little events can be triggered by the same > kind of tiny cause. Poised systems need no massive mover to move massively. > -- At Home in the Universe / Stuart Kauffman > (on self-organized criticality) > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distro with 2.6 kernel ?
On Monday 20 October 2003 15:06, Oded Arbel wrote: > Speaking of cutting edge distros - > I'm looking for a distro that comes out of the box with a 2.6-testX kernel > - anyone know of such a thing ? > What's wrong with: make menuconfig make && make install && make modules_install Easier than installing a new distro IMO :-) - Aviram = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Resoulotion mandating the use of Open Standarts in government communications proposed by ISOC, Hamakor and Microsoft
I concur. Is there any road map in that area and if so - what's the next goal? --Amos Rony Shapiro wrote: Total agreement - Arguably, the most important thing the Amuta has done this year (so far...). Bravo! Rony = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Resoulotion mandating the use of Open Standarts in government communications proposed by ISOC, Hamakor and Microsoft
Total agreement - Arguably, the most important thing the Amuta has done this year (so far...). Bravo! Rony > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Boris Ratner > Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:09 > To: Gilad Ben-Yossef > Cc: Linux-IL mailing list > Subject: Re: Resoulotion mandating the use of Open Standarts in > government communications proposed by ISOC, Hamakor and Microsoft > > > Totaly surprising > > Great Work!! > My gratitude to all involved! > > Kind Regards, > Boris Ratner. > > > > > Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 20/10/2003 12:27 > > > To:Linux-IL mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Subject:Resoulotion mandating the use of Open > Standarts in government > communications proposed by ISOC, Hamakor and Microsoft > > > > A proposal for resoulotion mandating the use of Open Standarts in > government > communications signed by ISOC-IL, Hamakor and Microsoft Israel is > about to > > become an Israeli Internet sub-committee resolution: > > [ Note: story in Hebrew ] > > http://www.whatsup.co.il/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=art icle&sid=2099&thold=0&mode=0&order=0 Well, it looks like our year long battle is coming to a surprising end. I wonder if we're going to be the first country where Microsoft endurces a resoultion to mandate use of Open Standarts in government together with the local Free Software bodies... Good or bad? I hope it's good. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Codefidence. A name you can trust (tm) http://www.codefidence.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
distro with 2.6 kernel ?
Speaking of cutting edge distros - I'm looking for a distro that comes out of the box with a 2.6-testX kernel - anyone know of such a thing ? Thx -- Oded ::.. The size of an avalanche is unrelated to the grain of sand that triggers it. The same tiny grain of sand may unleash a tiny avalanche or the largest avalanche of the century. Big and little events can be triggered by the same kind of tiny cause. Poised systems need no massive mover to move massively. -- At Home in the Universe / Stuart Kauffman (on self-organized criticality) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
Yeah, I did it once (turning Alcatel to PPPoE). It worked great until I discovered that it has some issues with "redialing". I mean, after (for some reason) the connection drops, it has some bug with reconnecting. At least that's my experience. Oleg. - Original Message - From: "Shachar Shemesh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Shaul Karl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation? > Shaul Karl wrote: > > >On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 05:31:08PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >>Aviram Jenik wrote: > >> > >> > >>>AFAIK if your MERKAZYIA supports pppoe (most of them do now), you should > >>>be ok > >>> > >>> > >>As far as I learned about this - PPPoE vs. PPTP has nothing to do with > >>the telco's exchange. PPPoE and PPTP are used only between the computer > >>and the modem, once the data reaches the modem it (the modem) tucks it > >>into PPPoA (PPP over ATM) and sends it into Bezeq's ATM cloud. > >> > >>Is Jess around to approve/deny this? > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Who is Jess? > > > Jess is the reason that 012.net now support Linux. She used to work for > their technical support. She is, however, not subscribed to this list. > > While in no way a Jess replacement, I can confirm this. I even have the > instructions somewhere as to how to make an Alcatel Home modem talk > PPPoE instead of PPTP. It does NOT require making it into a Pro. It does > not require new firmware. It does NOT require a technician password. > Sadly, the modem cannot be made to talk both protocols simultaniously. > > Shachar > > -- > Shachar Shemesh > Open Source integration consultant > Home page & resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
Dov Grobgeld wrote: Thanks for this and all the other recommendations. In the end I decided to upgrade to 750kBaud ADSL and take the Bezeq provided ECI 270PR router. I let them now my discontent about having to buy a faster connection (and paying more) than I need only because I am using Linux, but That's a shame, you could probably get your hands on an ADSL modem abroad if you had the patience. screaming into /dev/null is probably as effective. I'm getting the router this afternoon and will then try to set it up. Are there any good links with instructions of what I have to do to my system (RH9) to get it working? Start with "PPPoE Linux" and you should find lots of stuff about this. It's pretty stright forward, especially from what I saw about RH9 (never tried it myself, though). I think IGLU or guides.co.il and friends have Hebrew docs if you must (look through whatsup.co.il). Btw, once I have the fast connection I'm thinking of creating a partition with bleeding edge Linux setup. Does someone have a good suggestion about a good distribution /environment for continously updating all packages? My debian unstable updates virtually every day (depends on which packages you have installed). And you if you have the time for this then find experimental repositories (like "unofficial KDE" or "gnome cvs" or somesuch) and report bugs about them too. If you like hearing your machine crunch binaries all the time (other than rebuilding X11 in a loop :)) then Gentoo is probably for you... --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:37:40PM +0200, Dov Grobgeld wrote: > Btw, once I have the fast connection I'm thinking of creating a > partition with bleeding edge Linux setup. Does someone have a good > suggestion about a good distribution /environment for continously > updating all packages? debian unstable? gentoo? pick your poision. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
- Original Message - From: "Dov Grobgeld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:37 PM Subject: Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation? > Thanks for this and all the other recommendations. In the end I decided > to upgrade to 750kBaud ADSL and take the Bezeq provided ECI 270PR router. > I let them now my discontent about having to buy a faster connection > (and paying more) than I need only because I am using Linux, but > screaming into /dev/null is probably as effective. I'm getting the > router this afternoon and will then try to set it up. Are there any > good links with instructions of what I have to do to my system (RH9) to get > it working? > > Btw, once I have the fast connection I'm thinking of creating a > partition with bleeding edge Linux setup. Does someone have a good > suggestion about a good distribution /environment for continously > updating all packages? Yes, I have :) Gentoo, its amazing from servers. http://www.gentoo.org i tried it, i fell in love. ( i really agree with larry the cow :) > > Regards, > Dov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
Thanks for this and all the other recommendations. In the end I decided to upgrade to 750kBaud ADSL and take the Bezeq provided ECI 270PR router. I let them now my discontent about having to buy a faster connection (and paying more) than I need only because I am using Linux, but screaming into /dev/null is probably as effective. I'm getting the router this afternoon and will then try to set it up. Are there any good links with instructions of what I have to do to my system (RH9) to get it working? Btw, once I have the fast connection I'm thinking of creating a partition with bleeding edge Linux setup. Does someone have a good suggestion about a good distribution /environment for continously updating all packages? Regards, Dov On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:51:08AM +0200, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > There are allot of chip routers with ADSL dialers that cost around the 100$. > > I worked with few of them and its easy and fun, and in the Linux all you > have to do is configure a simple Ethernet using a DHCP. > > The routers come with 4 ports so you can share the connection. > -- > Canaan Surfing Ltd. > Internet Service Providers > Ben-Nes Michael - Manager > Tel: 972-4-6991122 > Fax: 972-4-6990098 > http://www.canaan.net.il > -- > - Original Message - > From: "Dov Grobgeld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:33 PM > Subject: ADSL - What is the current recommendation? > > > > Hello, > > > > I did the stupid mistake of accepting a USB modem ALE130 last week from > > Bezeq, which of course I found out is not supported by Linux. I just > > called them up and the only alternative they offer is the external > > ECI 270PR router. (Since I only ordered 500kB connection, I will also > > have to buy it, since you can only get an ethernet modem for higher > > throughput. In the mind of Bezeq there is no other reason why anybody > > would want this modem). Now my question is whether to accept this modem? > > Or should I follow the old recommendations of this list and buy a > > 2nd hand alcatel modem on EBay? > > > > Won't all ethernet modems work if I first initialize them from Windows > > and then reboot the computer into Linux and use the initialized > connection? > > > > I'm also debating what to do with the USB modem once I get a working > > ethernet modem. The EciAdsl driver developers I chatted with last night > > offered to take good care of it... > > > > It is really upsetting me that the state monopoly Bezeq behave as if > > there are no other operating systems in the world but M$! > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Dov > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting "XkbOptions" for Xvnc
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:10:19PM +0200, Eli Marmor wrote: > Hi, > > Many of you probably know the option "XkbOptions" of XF86, configured > under the section "InputDevice" in the XF86Config file. The reason, of > course, is its ability to be used for keyboard switching, for example > for Hebrew typing. > > Does anybody have any idea how to use it under Xvnc? > What file should be edited? Use 'setxkbmap' on the xinitrc file? IIRC you run it with a custom xinitrc file anyway. Note that Xvnc is not XFree. You should test everything first. Remomber that setxkbmap works by sending a request to the server to creqate a specific xkb file, compile it (using xkbcomp) and load it. THat is: the server must do some work here. testing I don't see any trace of support of the XKB extention in Xvnc (haven't looked at the docs, though). vnc-3.3.3r2-28.2 -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Resoulotion mandating the use of Open Standarts in government communications proposed by ISOC, Hamakor and Microsoft
Totaly surprising Great Work!! My gratitude to all involved! Kind Regards, Boris Ratner. Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/10/2003 12:27 To:Linux-IL mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:Resoulotion mandating the use of Open Standarts in government communications proposed by ISOC, Hamakor and Microsoft A proposal for resoulotion mandating the use of Open Standarts in government communications signed by ISOC-IL, Hamakor and Microsoft Israel is about to become an Israeli Internet sub-committee resolution: [ Note: story in Hebrew ] http://www.whatsup.co.il/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2099&thold=0&mode=0&order=0 Well, it looks like our year long battle is coming to a surprising end. I wonder if we're going to be the first country where Microsoft endurces a resoultion to mandate use of Open Standarts in government together with the local Free Software bodies... Good or bad? I hope it's good. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Codefidence. A name you can trust (tm) http://www.codefidence.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
Shaul Karl wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 08:02:17PM +0200, Gil Freund wrote: I changed two ADSL connections (diffarent ISP, different cities) to PPPoE, using the older Elcatel Soho modems. The actual connection is from Netscreen firewalls. `The actual connection is from Netscreen firewalls.' What do you mean by that? The Netscreen device is the PPPoE client. The Alctel devices act only as modems. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
Shaul Karl wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 05:31:08PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aviram Jenik wrote: AFAIK if your MERKAZYIA supports pppoe (most of them do now), you should be ok As far as I learned about this - PPPoE vs. PPTP has nothing to do with the telco's exchange. PPPoE and PPTP are used only between the computer and the modem, once the data reaches the modem it (the modem) tucks it into PPPoA (PPP over ATM) and sends it into Bezeq's ATM cloud. Is Jess around to approve/deny this? Who is Jess? Jess is the reason that 012.net now support Linux. She used to work for their technical support. She is, however, not subscribed to this list. While in no way a Jess replacement, I can confirm this. I even have the instructions somewhere as to how to make an Alcatel Home modem talk PPPoE instead of PPTP. It does NOT require making it into a Pro. It does not require new firmware. It does NOT require a technician password. Sadly, the modem cannot be made to talk both protocols simultaniously. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page & resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Setting "XkbOptions" for Xvnc
Hi, Many of you probably know the option "XkbOptions" of XF86, configured under the section "InputDevice" in the XF86Config file. The reason, of course, is its ability to be used for keyboard switching, for example for Hebrew typing. Does anybody have any idea how to use it under Xvnc? What file should be edited? Thanks, -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resoulotion mandating the use of Open Standarts in government communications proposed by ISOC, Hamakor and Microsoft
A proposal for resoulotion mandating the use of Open Standarts in government communications signed by ISOC-IL, Hamakor and Microsoft Israel is about to become an Israeli Internet sub-committee resolution: [ Note: story in Hebrew ] http://www.whatsup.co.il/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2099&thold=0&mode=0&order=0 Well, it looks like our year long battle is coming to a surprising end. I wonder if we're going to be the first country where Microsoft endurces a resoultion to mandate use of Open Standarts in government together with the local Free Software bodies... Good or bad? I hope it's good. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Codefidence. A name you can trust (tm) http://www.codefidence.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem with ide-scsi under 2.6.0-test8
(sorry for the lengthy post, but I thought adding as much relevant
output could help solving this problem)
I've compiled kernel 2.6.0-test8. Everything works great except my
CD-RW. I have a KT-600 based motherboard, with a S-ATA drive (hda, using
"ide=reverse" kernel parameter), an IDE drive (hde), an IDE DVD-ROM
(hdc) and an ASUS CDRW (hdd, with "hdd=ide-scsi" kernel parameter).
When I boot dmseg inits the ide & ide-scsi ok (or so it seems to me):
"kernel command line: ro root=/dev/hda2 hdd=ide-scsi ide=reverse
ide_setup: hdd=ide-scsi
ide_setup: ide=reverse : Enabled support for IDE inverse scan order."
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"VP_IDE: chipset revision 6
VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
VP_IDE: VIA vt8237 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci:00:0f.1
ide0: BM-DMA at 0x8400-0x8407, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0x8408-0x840f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
hda: Maxtor 6Y040L0, ATA DISK drive
Using anticipatory io scheduler
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
hdc: DVD-ROM DDU1621, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdd: ASUS CRW-5224A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
VIA8237SATA: IDE controller at PCI slot :00:0f.0"
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.
"VIA8237SATA: chipset revision 128
VIA8237SATA: 100% native mode on irq 9
ide2: BM-DMA at 0x9000-0x9007, BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio
ide3: BM-DMA at 0x9008-0x900f, BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio
hde: Maxtor 6Y080M0, ATA DISK drive
ide2 at 0xa400-0xa407,0xa002 on irq 9
hda: max request size: 128KiB
hda: 80043264 sectors (40982 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(133)
hda: hda1 hda2 hda3
hde: max request size: 128KiB
hde: 160086528 sectors (81964 MB) w/7936KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63
hde: hde1
ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide"
and here I see that "hdc" indeed becomes the DVD-ROM (which functions
OK), and that the CDR is recognized as SCSI:
"hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache, UDMA(33)
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
scsi1 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
Vendor: ASUS Model: CRW-5224A Rev: 1.35
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02"
up until now I don't see any place that can tell me *where* hdd will be
-- /dev/sds? /dev/md? etc.
Now, almost at the end I see this output also related to the DVD and
CDRW drives:
"cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!
mtrr: no MTRR for f200,200 found
mtrr: no MTRR for f000,200 found
cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!
ide-scsi: unsup command: dev hdd: flags = REQ_SOFTBARRIER REQ_CMD
REQ_STARTED
sector 64, nr/cnr 2/2
bio ca703f80, biotail ca703f80, buffer dc8d6000, data , len 0
end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 64
isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdd, iso_blknum=16, block=32
hdc: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdc: packet command error: error=0x54
end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 0
ATAPI device hdc:
Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05)
Cannot read medium - incompatible format -- (asc=0x30, ascq=0x02)
The failed "Send DVD Structure" packet command was:
"ad 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 "
ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
python: numerical sysctl 1 23 is obsolete.
python: numerical sysctl 1 23 is obsolete.
isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=md1, iso_blknum=16, block=32
ide-scsi: unsup command: dev hdd: flags = REQ_CMD REQ_STARTED
sector 64, nr/cnr 2/2
bio d25ca2c0, biotail d25ca2c0, buffer d30b1000, data , len 0
end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 64
isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdd, iso_blknum=16, block=32"
Again I see ide-scsi handles hdd, but there seems to be some kind of
problem which I can't even begin to understand.
Anyone knows what's the meaning of all this?
The ASUS drive mounted OK and was recognized as a burner by "cdrecord
-scanbus" using stock RH9 kernel (2.4.20-something).
IDE CDROM support is compiled as a module.
Thanks for any input.
Alon.
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Re: Help making Radeon 9000 work with XFree 4.3.0
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: I don't like to give consultation on non free software, but I'll try to help Thanks. What are other options if I want to get the most out of my hardware? I did a lot of googling over the last month since I bought this hardware and am still confused. If I get it right then there is some effort to write an open driver for ATI but it's not complete, and that the 2.6 kernel is supposed to include better built-in support for DRI, am I right? anyway - is the fglrx kernel module loaded? what does "dmesg" say when you try to load it if you do? Dmesg: --- [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 430 MBytes. [fglrx:firegl_stub_register] *ERROR* Fire GL kernel module has to be loaded prior to any other DRM kernel module! --- I tried to reboot to single user (real reboot, not "down from multiuser") and force load of this module from there, but still get the same message. The "modprobe -v fglrx" says: --- /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o Using /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o Symbol version prefix '' Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o will taint the kernel: non-GPL license - Proprietary. (C) 2002 - ATI Technologies, Starnberg, GERMANY See http://www.tux.org/lkml/#export-tainted for information about tainted modules /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o: init_module: Operation not permitted Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.22-dri/misc/fglrx.o: insmod fglrx failed --- Thanks, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help making Radeon 9000 work with XFree 4.3.0
On Sunday 19 October 2003 22:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to make Xfree86 4.3.0 on Debian unstable (taken from > http://people.debian.org/~mmagallo/packages/xfree86/i386) > work with a Radeon 9000 (not PRO) with AMD Athlon 2500 with > no success. > > The closest instructions I found about this are at: > http://space.virgilio.it/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/debian/fglrx-installer.htm >l but what I get from X's logs are: > > (II) fglrx(0): [drm] drmOpen failed > (EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed! > (WW) fglrx(0): *** > (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * > (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) * > (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) * > (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available* > (WW) fglrx(0): * * > (II) fglrx(0): FBADPhys: 0xd400 FBMappedSize: 0x0400 > (==) fglrx(0): Write-combining range (0xd400,0x400) > (II) fglrx(0): FBMM initialized for area (0,0)-(1280,8191) > (II) fglrx(0): FBMM auto alloc for area (0,0)-(1280,1024) (front color > buffer - assumption) I don't like to give consultation on non free software, but I'll try to help anyway - is the fglrx kernel module loaded? what does "dmesg" say when you try to load it if you do? > > Which I assume means that I have 2D speedup but no 3D speedup, > and indeed glgears doesn't run faster with this driver than without > it (about 500 fps). Yes, you have accel. 2D via MMIO. For Accel 3D you must have the cooperation of the kernel module. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Codefidence. A name you can trust (tm) http://www.codefidence.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
There are allot of chip routers with ADSL dialers that cost around the 100$. I worked with few of them and its easy and fun, and in the Linux all you have to do is configure a simple Ethernet using a DHCP. The routers come with 4 ports so you can share the connection. -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://www.canaan.net.il -- - Original Message - From: "Dov Grobgeld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:33 PM Subject: ADSL - What is the current recommendation? > Hello, > > I did the stupid mistake of accepting a USB modem ALE130 last week from > Bezeq, which of course I found out is not supported by Linux. I just > called them up and the only alternative they offer is the external > ECI 270PR router. (Since I only ordered 500kB connection, I will also > have to buy it, since you can only get an ethernet modem for higher > throughput. In the mind of Bezeq there is no other reason why anybody > would want this modem). Now my question is whether to accept this modem? > Or should I follow the old recommendations of this list and buy a > 2nd hand alcatel modem on EBay? > > Won't all ethernet modems work if I first initialize them from Windows > and then reboot the computer into Linux and use the initialized connection? > > I'm also debating what to do with the USB modem once I get a working > ethernet modem. The EciAdsl driver developers I chatted with last night > offered to take good care of it... > > It is really upsetting me that the state monopoly Bezeq behave as if > there are no other operating systems in the world but M$! > > Thanks in advance, > Dov > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
Quoting Stanislav Malyshev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > HM>>http://www.ezbuyus.co.il/ > HM>> > > Which doesn't work with Mozilla either - at least their price > calculator throws errors instead of working. Fair enough, I didn't try that. I used the registration, password change, and package tracking. Those worked, though I'm not sure whether I used Mozilla or Konqueror. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
HM>>http://www.ezbuyus.co.il/ HM>> Which doesn't work with Mozilla either - at least their price calculator throws errors instead of working. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-50-624945/\ JRRT LotR. whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > They are not out of business, they went bankrupt and bought by Netvision > years ago. Go to mustop.co.il. > I DON'T recommend it! Not if you are using Linux, that is. Their entire new site is written in... VBScript. On the *client* side, that is. There is absolutely no way for it to work with Mozilla or Konqueror or even on the MacOS X browsers. It's a Microsoft-only site. One of the reasons I boycott Netvision. I use a different service, which is similar in its nature, but they bring you the packages directly to your home/office: http://www.ezbuyus.co.il/ There are differences in the service and the prices, but the big benefit is that you can actually register and handle your details using their site with your Linux. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
