State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Kfir Lavi
Hi,
I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it works fine, but I don't have
experience investing with this bank.
From your experience, which bank will have the best Linux support in
investment of stocks and mutual funds.
Tnx,
Kfir


Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Omer Zak
I do not have experience with other banks, but Bank Discount's Web site
blocks you unless you have Internet Explorer, version 5.5 or later.
The people responsible for this state of affairs do not have a clue
about the importance of supporting W3C standards - if to judge from
their response to the complaint which I made about this, few weeks ago.

 --- Omer

On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 10:58 +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote:
 Hi,
 I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
 I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it works fine, but I don't
 have experience investing with this bank.
 From your experience, which bank will have the best Linux support in
 investment of stocks and mutual funds. 
 Tnx, 
 Kfir
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Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Kfir Lavi
Are you referring to the new website, because someone wrote me that the new
website works fine.

On 8/16/07, Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I do not have experience with other banks, but Bank Discount's Web site
 blocks you unless you have Internet Explorer, version 5.5 or later.
 The people responsible for this state of affairs do not have a clue
 about the importance of supporting W3C standards - if to judge from
 their response to the complaint which I made about this, few weeks ago.

  --- Omer

 On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 10:58 +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote:
  Hi,
  I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
  I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it works fine, but I don't
  have experience investing with this bank.
  From your experience, which bank will have the best Linux support in
  investment of stocks and mutual funds.
  Tnx,
  Kfir
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Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Alon Altman
Discount's web site works well with Firefox, however your browser must
identify itself as Firefox and not Gecko or Iceweasel. In case
you use a different browser, you get a message saying the site
supports IE only, which is not true.

On 8/16/07, Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I do not have experience with other banks, but Bank Discount's Web site
 blocks you unless you have Internet Explorer, version 5.5 or later.
 The people responsible for this state of affairs do not have a clue
 about the importance of supporting W3C standards - if to judge from
 their response to the complaint which I made about this, few weeks ago.

  --- Omer

 On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 10:58 +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote:
  Hi,
  I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
  I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it works fine, but I don't
  have experience investing with this bank.
  From your experience, which bank will have the best Linux support in
  investment of stocks and mutual funds.
  Tnx,
  Kfir
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Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Herouth Maoz

Quoting Kfir Lavi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hi,
I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it works fine, but I don't have
experience investing with this bank.
From your experience, which bank will have the best Linux support in
investment of stocks and mutual funds.


Can't say about stocks and mutual funds, but the Benleumi (FIBI) bank  
website works well with Firefox for everything else I've tried  
(deposits, paying bills, transfers to family  other accounts,  
ordering checkbooks, viewing checks, reading notices from the bank  
etc.).


Herouth

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Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Omer Zak
My browser probably identified itself as 'Iceweasel'.  The Webmaster,
who replied to me, did not tell me what Alon knows.

Now I modified the Iceweasel browser useragent string
(surf to 'about:config', filter for string 'user', right-click
on 'general.useragent.extra.firefox' and select Modify,
s/Iceweasel/Firefox/, close, close tab)
and confirmed that the Bank Discount's Web site works OK (I checked only
my investment portfolio - was not interested in other things).

Thanks to Kfir Lavi for raising the question, and to Alon Altman for
giving the up-to-date information.
  --- Omer

On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 12:33 +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote:
 Are you referring to the new website, because someone wrote me that
 the new website works fine.
 

On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 12:39 +0300, Alon Altman wrote:
 Discount's web site works well with Firefox, however your browser must
 identify itself as Firefox and not Gecko or Iceweasel. In case
 you use a different browser, you get a message saying the site
 supports IE only, which is not true.
 
 On 8/16/07, Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I do not have experience with other banks, but Bank Discount's Web site
  blocks you unless you have Internet Explorer, version 5.5 or later.
  The people responsible for this state of affairs do not have a clue
  about the importance of supporting W3C standards - if to judge from
  their response to the complaint which I made about this, few weeks ago.
 
   --- Omer
 
  On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 10:58 +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote:
   Hi,
   I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
   I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it works fine, but I don't
   have experience investing with this bank.
   From your experience, which bank will have the best Linux support in
   investment of stocks and mutual funds.
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Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham

Hi all linux-il,
Someone on this list mentioned about 6 weeks ago that Mizrahi now works 
with FireFox and since then I have been using FF to review the large minus 
in my account. FireFox displays the minus correctly on the 
https://www.umb.co.il site but I have not tested any other features such 
as stocks.


 - yba


On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, Herouth Maoz wrote:


Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:31:28 +0300
From: Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

Quoting Kfir Lavi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hi,
I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it works fine, but I don't have
experience investing with this bank.
From your experience, which bank will have the best Linux support in
investment of stocks and mutual funds.


Can't say about stocks and mutual funds, but the Benleumi (FIBI) bank website 
works well with Firefox for everything else I've tried (deposits, paying 
bills, transfers to family  other accounts, ordering checkbooks, viewing 
checks, reading notices from the bank etc.).


Herouth

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Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Dan Bar Dov
That's not true. Discount mostly works with firefox, but it has some
[important] features
that fail to work. For example, if you have more than one account, the
switch-account
drop-down box does not open, so you can't even look at your other account.

Dan

On 8/16/07, Alon Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Discount's web site works well with Firefox, however your browser must
 identify itself as Firefox and not Gecko or Iceweasel. In case
 you use a different browser, you get a message saying the site
 supports IE only, which is not true.

 On 8/16/07, Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I do not have experience with other banks, but Bank Discount's Web site
  blocks you unless you have Internet Explorer, version 5.5 or later.
  The people responsible for this state of affairs do not have a clue
  about the importance of supporting W3C standards - if to judge from
  their response to the complaint which I made about this, few weeks ago.
 
   --- Omer
 
  On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 10:58 +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote:
   Hi,
   I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
   I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it works fine, but I don't
   have experience investing with this bank.
   From your experience, which bank will have the best Linux support in
   investment of stocks and mutual funds.
   Tnx,
   Kfir
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Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Dan Bar Dov
Oh, and when you say Discount works with firefox you mean firefox on
windows.
With firefox on Linux it doesn't work shit. [excuse my language]

Dan

On 8/16/07, Dan Bar Dov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's not true. Discount mostly works with firefox, but it has some
 [important] features
 that fail to work. For example, if you have more than one account, the
 switch-account
 drop-down box does not open, so you can't even look at your other account.


 Dan

 On 8/16/07, Alon Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Discount's web site works well with Firefox, however your browser must
  identify itself as Firefox and not Gecko or Iceweasel. In case
  you use a different browser, you get a message saying the site
  supports IE only, which is not true.
 
  On 8/16/07, Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I do not have experience with other banks, but Bank Discount's Web
  site
   blocks you unless you have Internet Explorer, version 5.5 or later.
   The people responsible for this state of affairs do not have a clue
   about the importance of supporting W3C standards - if to judge from
   their response to the complaint which I made about this, few weeks
  ago.
  
--- Omer
  
   On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 10:58 +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it works fine, but I
  don't
have experience investing with this bank.
From your experience, which bank will have the best Linux support in
investment of stocks and mutual funds.
Tnx,
Kfir
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Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Alon Altman
For me discount worked well with Firefox on Linux. My mother uses it
all the time to access her bank account, and since the site has been
opened she does not use Windows any more.

On 8/16/07, Dan Bar Dov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oh, and when you say Discount works with firefox you mean firefox on
 windows.
 With firefox on Linux it doesn't work shit. [excuse my language]

 Dan


 On 8/16/07, Dan Bar Dov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  That's not true. Discount mostly works with firefox, but it has some
 [important] features
  that fail to work. For example, if you have more than one account, the
 switch-account
  drop-down box does not open, so you can't even look at your other account.
 
  Dan
 
 
 
  On 8/16/07, Alon Altman  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Discount's web site works well with Firefox, however your browser must
   identify itself as Firefox and not Gecko or Iceweasel. In case
   you use a different browser, you get a message saying the site
   supports IE only, which is not true.
  
   On 8/16/07, Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not have experience with other banks, but Bank Discount's Web
 site
blocks you unless you have Internet Explorer, version 5.5 or later.
The people responsible for this state of affairs do not have a clue
about the importance of supporting W3C standards - if to judge from
their response to the complaint which I made about this, few weeks
 ago.
   
 --- Omer
   
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 10:58 +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote:
 Hi,
 I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
 I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it works fine, but I
 don't
 have experience investing with this bank.
 From your experience, which bank will have the best Linux support in
 investment of stocks and mutual funds.
 Tnx,
 Kfir
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Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Omer Zak
I mean - Firefox on Linux.  Could be understood from context - my Linux
distribution is Debian Etch, where Firefox is known (and identifies
itself) as Iceweasel, due to trademark issues in Debian.

The Web site works for me (under Linux, after I changed the useragent
string by which the browser identifies itself) in those use cases in
which I am interested (checking status of my investments).  I did not
check further, and I am rather un-surprised that some other use cases
fail to work.

   --- Omer

On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 16:00 +0300, Dan Bar Dov wrote:
 Oh, and when you say Discount works with firefox you mean firefox on
 windows. 
 With firefox on Linux it doesn't work shit. [excuse my language]
 
 Dan
 
 On 8/16/07, Dan Bar Dov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That's not true. Discount mostly works with firefox, but it
 has some [important] features 
 that fail to work. For example, if you have more than one
 account, the switch-account
 drop-down box does not open, so you can't even look at your
 other account. 
 
 Dan
 
 
 On 8/16/07, Alon Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Discount's web site works well with Firefox, however
 your browser must
 identify itself as Firefox and not Gecko or
 Iceweasel. In case
 you use a different browser, you get a message saying
 the site 
 supports IE only, which is not true.
 
 On 8/16/07, Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I do not have experience with other banks, but Bank
 Discount's Web site 
  blocks you unless you have Internet Explorer,
 version 5.5 or later.
  The people responsible for this state of affairs do
 not have a clue
  about the importance of supporting W3C standards -
 if to judge from
  their response to the complaint which I made about
 this, few weeks ago. 
 
   --- Omer
 
  On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 10:58 +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote:
   Hi,
   I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
   I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it
 works fine, but I don't 
   have experience investing with this bank.
   From your experience, which bank will have the
 best Linux support in
   investment of stocks and mutual funds.
   Tnx,
   Kfir

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Re: State of the Israeli banks websites

2007-08-16 Thread Alexander Indenbaum
On 8/16/07, Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all linux-il,
 Someone on this list mentioned about 6 weeks ago that Mizrahi now works
 with FireFox and since then I have been using FF to review the large minus
 in my account. FireFox displays the minus correctly on the
 https://www.umb.co.il site but I have not tested any other features such
 as stocks.

Mizrahi web interface for stocks trading works too with Firefox/Linux
and you should sell sell sell :)


  - yba


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  Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:31:28 +0300
  From: Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
  Subject: Re: State of the Israeli banks websites
 
  Quoting Kfir Lavi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Hi,
  I'm looking to open bank account for investing.
  I currently using Bank Hapoalim website and it works fine, but I don't have
  experience investing with this bank.
  From your experience, which bank will have the best Linux support in
  investment of stocks and mutual funds.
 
  Can't say about stocks and mutual funds, but the Benleumi (FIBI) bank 
  website
  works well with Firefox for everything else I've tried (deposits, paying
  bills, transfers to family  other accounts, ordering checkbooks, viewing
  checks, reading notices from the bank etc.).
 
  Herouth
 
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[HAIFUX Lecture] Linux Kernel Networking Overview by Rami Rosen

2007-08-16 Thread Orr Dunkelman
Next Monday, 20th of August, at 18:30 the Haifa Linux Club, will gather to
listen to Rami Rosen's talk about

   Linux Kernel Networking Overview

Abstract

* A walkthrough of a packet in the kernel network stack, through
layer 2, (the link layer), layer 3 (network layer) and layer 4
(transport layer).
* The routing table and the routing cache.
* The neighboring subsystem: arp table and arp cache.
* The bridging subsysetm.
* ICMP error messages.
* A short survey: future trends in Linux Kernel Networking.

Note: The link layer (L2) we will discuss will be ethernet, and the
network layer (L3) will be IPv4

==

We meet in Taub building, room 3. For instructions see:
http://www.haifux.org/where.html

Attendance is free, and you are all invited!

==

Future Lectures:

173 An overview of Haskell part II   Haggai Eran3/9/2007

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Re: Webmail like Gmail + encryption

2007-08-16 Thread Gadi Cohen

Not that I've ever tried it, but I just stumbled across this:


http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org/


It adds GPG support to gmail via firefox... including inserting extra 
buttons into the gmail interface.



Gadi


Kfir Lavi wrote:


Hi,
I would like to keep company emails secure and encrypted.
I'm looking for a webmail program that is similar to Gmail. It don't 
have to own all the stuff, just to be productive.
I would also want encryption. I want all the emails be encrypted 
automatically.
What is the procedure for a user? should he take with him a usb 
private key?

I'm looking for your comments on the idea.

Tnx,
Kfir



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